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>>> HI, THERE, EVERYONE.
I'M MORGAN RADFORD.
AND WELCOME TO SPECIAL COVERAGE
OF THE FIRST DEMOCRATIC DEBATE
OF THE 2020 ELECTION CYCLE HERE
ON NBC NEWS NOW.
THIS IS A LIVE LOOK AT THE
DEBATE STAGE, WHERE IN JUST
ABOUT AN HOUR, TEN DEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WILL
TAKE THEIR PLACE AT THE PODIUM.
AND INTERESTINGLY, THEY'RE
ACTUALLY STANDING BASED ON THEIR
PUBLIC POLLING.
TAKING THE CENTER POSITION
TONIGHT, ELIZABETH WARREN,
FLANKED BY CORY BOOKER AND BETO
O'ROURKE.
AND JUST CONTEXT ABOUT HOW THIS
NIGHT IS GOING TO WORK.
THE CANDIDATES HAVE 60 SECONDS
TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THEN 30
SECONDS TO RESPOND TO
FOLLOW-UPS.
BEFORE TONIGHT BEGINS, WE'RE
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES
THAT MIGHT COME UP AND HOW
DEBATES LIKE THESE HAVE SHAPED
ELECTIONS OF THE PAST.
>> THE DEBATES, THEY ARE FINALLY
HERE.
20 CANDIDATES.
AND WE COME TONIGHT WITH A
FRONT-RUNNER.
JOE BIDEN OUT IN FRONT OF THE
PACK.
HE'S BEING CHASED BY BERNIE
SANDERS IN SECOND PLACE.
A COUPLE OTHER CANDIDATES.
ELIZABETH WARREN, KAMLA HARRIS.
PETE BUTTIGIEG.
AND THEN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF
CANDIDATES OUT THERE.
AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIR
MESSAGE OUT THERE.
IT'S THE BIG QUESTION OF
DEBATES -- DO THEY CHANGE THE
RACE?
AN IMPORTANT AND FUNDAMENTAL
WAY?
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY
OF PRIMARY DEBATES, YOU FIND A
LOT OF MOMENTS THAT MADE A
DIFFERENCE.
WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT LOOK BACK AT
SOME OF THE BIGGEST ONES THROUGH
THE YEARS.
THIS ONE INVOLVED A FUTURE
PRESIDENT.
SOME SAY IT WAS THE MOMENT HIS
PRESIDENCY -- ONE OF THE MOMENTS
HIS PRESIDENCY WAS MADE.
THIS WAS IN FEBRUARY OF 1980.
HIS NAME WAS RONALD REAGAN.
HE CAME INTO THAT CAMPAIGN AS
THE REPUBLICAN FRONT-RUNNER.
BUT HE SUFFERED A BIG SURPRISE
IN UPSET LOSS IN THE IOWA
CAUCUSES.
HE LOST TO GEORGE H.W. BUSH, IN
THE IOWA CAUCUSES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HADN'T HEARD
ABOUT GEORGE H.W. BUSH UNTIL
THAT MOMENT.
BUSH'S FAMOUS LINE, WHEN HE SAID
I HAVE THE BIG MO NOW.
NEW HAMPSHIRE IS THE NEXT TEST.
BUSH CAUGHT REAGAN IN THE POLLS
IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
WE NOW KNOW IT.
WHAT HAPPENED THE SATURDAY
BEFORE THE NEW HAMPSHIRE
PRIMARY?
A DEBATE WAS HELD.
IT WAS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL GYM OF
NASHUA HIGH SCHOOL, NASHUA,
NEW HAMPSHIRE.
THERE HAS BEEN A DISPUTE HOW TO
ORGANIZE THE DEBATE.
REAGAN'S CAMPAIGN PUT UP THE
MONEY FOR THE DEBATE.
3,500 BUCKS IS WHAT IT COST.
REAGAN'S CAMPAIGN PUT UP THE
MONEY.
REAGAN AND BUSH COME ON THE
STAGE.
THERE'S A MODERATOR THERE FROM
"THE NATIONAL TELEGRAPH"
NEWSPAPER.
AND REAGAN GETS INTO A FIGHT,
SOME SAY PICKS A FIGHT WITH THE
MODERATOR.
AND HE IS SAYING, THERE'S OTHER
CANDIDATES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN
INCLUDED.
HE SAID, TURN OFF HIS
MICROPHONE.
TURN OFF THE CANDIDATE'S
MICROPHONE.
I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YOU TURN THAT MICROPHONE OFF.
>> I AM PAYING FOR THIS
MICROPHONE.
>> A GAME-CHANGING MOMENT.
THERE WAS FIRE IN REAGAN'S
DELIVERY THERE.
BROUGHT THE CROWD TO ITS FEET.
IT MADE BUSH LOOK SMALL.
THAT SCENE PLAYED OUT, THE OTHER
CANDIDATES, REAGAN GOT UP, HE
SHOOK THEIR HANDS.
AND BUSH WAS A BYSTANDER.
REAGAN TOOK THE LEAD, ENDED UP
WINNING NEW HAMPSHIRE, IN A
LANDSLIDE OVER BUSH.
WINNING THE REPUBLICAN
NOMINATION.
REAGAN IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
HE MAKES BUSH HIS V.P.
BUSH BECOMES THE PRESIDENT.
THAT WAS THAT MOMENT, IT SAVED
THE REAGAN CAMPAIGN.
SAVED WHAT WOULD BECOME THE
REAGAN PRESIDENCY.
>> THAT WAS NBC'S STEVE
KORNACKI.
AND TONIGHT'S DEBATE IS SURE TO
PAVE THE WAY FOR THE 2020
ELECTION.
ALL TEN CANDIDATES ON STAGE
TONIGHT WILL TRY TO STAND OUT
AMONG THE SEA OF DEMOCRATS WHO
ARE HOPING TO CHALLENGE
PRESIDENT TRUMP NEXT NOVEMBER.
HERE TO HELP ME PREVIEW WHAT WE
CAN EXPECT TO SEE ON THE DEBATE
STAGE, WE HAVE REPUBLICAN
POLITICAL CONSULTANT, SIR
MICHAEL SINGLETON.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
HOW MUCH IS TONIGHT GOING TO BE
ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
POLICIES?
HOW DO THE CANDIDATES WALK THAT
FINE LINE BETWEEN TRYING TO
DISTINGUISH THEIR OWN PLATFORM
BUT ALSO PROVING TO THEIR BASE
THEY CAN TAKE PRESIDENT TRUMP
ON?
>> I THINK TONIGHT IS DOING A
LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
THE SEPARATION AND THE PHOTOS
FROM THE A.P. YESTERDAY OF THE
DEAD MIGRANTS, THE FATHER AND
THE DAUGHTER, I THINK THAT'S
GOING TO MAKE THE IMMIGRATION
POLICY DISCUSSION MORE OF A
CENTRAL FOCUS, THAN IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN GOING INTO TONIGHT.
I THINK THE CANDIDATES HAVE,
BOTH, AN EQUAL TASK.
THEY HAVE TO BOTH SAY WHAT
THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT.
RIGHT?
THE OVERRESPONSE WOULD BE
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION
REFORM.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE
MEAT ON THE BONES.
YOU CAN'T SAY THE PLATITUDES
THAT YOU USED TO SAY.
NOW, IT'S AN EMERGENCY, WHICH
REQUIRES A SERIOUS SOLUTION.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTS
ELIZABETH WARREN AND CASTRO WHO
HAVE PUT TOGETHER SPECIFIC
POLICY IDEAS, THAT GIVES THEM A
LEG UP BECAUSE OF WHERE THE NEWS
CYCLE IS RIGHT NOW.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY HAVE TO
SAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO
THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN DONALD
TRUMP.
WHO ARE THEY AS A PROGRESSIVE?
IF THEY'RE A NEW CANDIDATE, WHO
VOTERS AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH.
OR MAYBE THEY KNOW ONE THING
ABOUT ELIZABETH WARREN, LIKE THE
DNA TEST.
SHE HAS A PLAN BUT THEY'RE NOT
SURE ABOUT HER AS A PERSON AND
HER CHARISMA.
IT'S A CHALLENGE ON BOTH SIDES.
I THINK IMMIGRATION WILL BE THE
POLICY FOCUS.
>> YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT
ABOUT HOW THE CANDIDATES WILL
ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH
THEMSELVES IN A FIELD THAT'S SO
LARGE.
SIR MICHAEL, WHEN I'VE BEEN IN
THE FIELD, EVERY VOTER TELLS ME
THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THEY LOVE THAT HE'S
ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT.
>> I CALL TONIGHT THE NIGHT OF
IDEAS.
YOU HAVE CASTRO AND BOOKER AND
WARREN.
SOME OF THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE
IDEA OF ALL OF THE 25 DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATES.
I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE
MOTIVATED -- VOTERS ARE
MOTIVATED TO BEAT TRUMP.
THEY DON'T CARE WHO THE NOMINEE
IS.
I THINK TONIGHT, FOR MANY OF THE
INDIVIDUALS ON THE STAGE, IT'S
GOING TO BE -- NOT ONLY HOW CAN
I GET IT DONE?
EVEN IF YOU ARE ABLE TO WIN IN
2020, WHAT ABOUT THE SENATE?
VOTERS WILL ASK, THESE ARE GREAT
IDEAS.
HOW CAN YOU GET IT DONE IN THIS
DIVIDED CONGRESS?
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT
THEY'RE HAVING THIS DEBATE IN
MIAMI.
FLORIDA IS A VERY, VERY CRITICAL
STATE.
DONALD TRUMP JUST RELAUNCHED HIS
RE-ELECTION BID LAST WEEK IN
CENTRAL FLORIDA.
>> ALL EYES ON FLORIDA.
>> WHY?
THE LAST REPUBLICAN TO WIN THE
WHITE HOUSE WITHOUT FLORIDA WAS
CALVIN COOLIDGE IN 1924.
A REPUBLICAN CANNOT WIN THE
WHITE HOUSE, ARGUABLY SPEAKING,
WITHOUT FLORIDA.
I THINK DEMOCRATS RECOGNIZE
THIS.
THE IDEA IS IF YOU CAN TAKE
AWAY, A LITTLE BIT OF THE
SUPPORT, DONALD TRUMP WON THE
STATE BY 1.2%, THAT'S 100,000
VOTES, YOU COULD SEE A DEMOCRAT
WIN IN 2020.
>> I THINK THE FIRST PERSON TO
BRING UP PUERTO RICO IS PROBABLY
SOMEBODY WHO IS ACKNOWLEDGING
THAT DYNAMIC.
>> YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT?
>> I AGREE.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
LEADER OF TONIGHT'S PACK,
ELISABETH WARREN.
SHE IS POLLING AT ABOUT 13%.
IS IT GOING TO BE A DISADVANTAGE
TO NOT BE ON THE STAGE WITH JOE
BIDEN, WHO IS REALLY THE
FRONT-RUNNER OF ALL OF THE
CANDIDATES?
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S A
DISADVANTAGE AT ALL.
VOTERS ARE TUNING IN FOR THE
FIRST TIME TONIGHT.
THIS IS WHEN THE OPINIONS WILL
BE CRYSTALLIZING.
AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
ELIZABETH WARREN TO SORT OF, I
THINK, STRADDLE THAT FINE LINE
THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT IN THE
FIRST DEBATE, WHICH IS INTRODUCE
HERSELF, SO THAT YOU CAN GO
TOE-TO-TOE WITH DONALD TRUMP.
BUT DON'T ENGAGE IN A FOOD
FIGHT.
VOTERS DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE
NAGGING ON EACH OTHER.
THEY WANT TO HEAR IDEAS AND IT
HAS BEEN ELIZABETH WARREN
LEADING THE BACK IN TERMS OF
POLICY IDEAS AND BEING THE FIRST
CANDIDATE TO VISIT THE HOMESTEAD
FACILITY, WHICH IS 20 MILES AWAY
FROM THE DEBATE FACILITY.
I THINK FLORIDA IS AN
INTERESTING -- TONIGHT IS AN
INTERESTING CONFLUENCE OF
EVENTS.
YOU HAVE TRUMP ENGAING WITH ALL
OF THIS IMMIGRATION, IT'S COMING
TO A HEAD.
HIS TREATMENT OF MIGRANT
CHILDREN.
BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS,
PRETTY APPALLING, HORRENDOUS
CONDITIONS.
>> NOW, WE HAVE THE IMAGES TO GO
WITH IT.
>> THE REPORT HAS A COPY OF
THAT, WHICH IS EMBARRASSING, YOU
KNOW, CONDITIONS THAT WERE
KEEPING THESE CHILDREN IN.
AND YOU HAVE THESE DEMOCRATS WHO
ARE ALL COME TOGETHER.
SOME HAVE IMMIGRATION PLANS AND
OTHERS DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR THAT
AT ALL.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE THINGS LIKE
THE CRISIS IN VENEZUELA GOING
ON, AND THE VOTERS NOT BEING A
M
MONOLITH, IT'S IMPORTANT IN
FLORIDA.
>> I'M SO EXCITED I HAVE YOU
HERE FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT.
LET ME GO TO DR. BURNS, WHO IS
WATCHING THE DEBATE WITH A FEW
COLLEGE STUDENTS FROM ALL ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
HOW IS IT GOING THERE?
WHAT ARE THE YOUNG VOTERS
SAYING?
>> HAPPY DEBATE NIGHT.
I HAVE AN AMAZING GROUP OF
COLLEGE STUDENTS HERE FROM
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND ACROSS
THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS,
INDEPENDENTS.
WE HAVE WEST VIRGINIA
REPRESENTED, FLORIDA, NEW YORK.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS AND
OPINIONS.
I WANT TO START YOU WITH YOUR
EXPECTATIONS FOR THE NIGHT.
YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE
INTERESTED IN HEARING MORE FROM.
THERE'S A LOT OF BIG NAMES ON
THAT STAGE AND LESSER KNOWN
ONES.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM
THE CANDIDATES AND FOR THE
LESSER-KNOWN NAMES?
WHAT CAN THEY DO TO CAPTURE YOUR
INTEREST AND GET YOUR SUPPORT?
>> I WOULD SAY FOR THOSE
CANDIDATES THAT ARE NOT WELL
KNOWN TO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM
CRITICISM OF DONALD TRUMP.
COMING FROM THE LIBERAL
PERSPECTIVE.
WE KNOW WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS.
WE KNOW WHAT HE STANDS FOR.
SO, RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO HEAR
ABOUT WHAT SPECIFIC POLICY
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE
AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE
TO HELP YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE US.
>> I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED
IN SEEING JAY INSLEE.
HE AND A FEW OTHER CANDIDATES
MIGHT COME ACROSS AS A SINGLE
ISSUE CANDIDATE.
HE IS FOCUSED ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
I THINK THAT'S THE MOST PRESSING
ISSUE OF OUR TIME.
I'M INTERESTED TO SEE THE PLAY
BETWEEN CLIMATE CHANGE AND OTHER
ISSUES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE UGLINESS OF
CLIMATE REFUGEES IN THE NEXT FEW
DECADES.
AND I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HE
AMONG OTHER CANDIDATES ADDRESS
THE PRESSING ISSUES OF OUR
ECONOMY AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
>> YOU MENTION CLIMATE.
A LOT OF SURVEYS SAY THAT'S ONE
OF THE BIG ISSUES FOR YOUNG
VOTERS.
WHO DO YOU THINK SO FAR HAS DONE
THE BEST JOB OF SORT OF
AUTHENTICALLY REACHING YOUNGER
DEMOGRAPHICS?
AND WHAT CAN CANDIDATES DO TO
TAKE THAT TO THE NEXT LEVEL?
I THINK HE'S DONE TO REACHING
OUT TO THE YOUTH.
ELIZABETH WARREN HAS DONE THE
SAME.
HE'S ONE OF THE LESSER KNOWN
NAMES.
FOR STUDENT DEBT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
THAT WOULD SET HIM APART FROM
ALL OF THE CANDIDATES.
THEY DON'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO DO.
>> IN WEST VIRGINIA, WE'RE IN
THE RUST BELT.
AN HOUR SOUTH OF PITTSBURGH.
EVERYONE IS LEAVING.
THEY GET THEIR COLLEGE DEGREES
OR IF YOU'RE FROM THERE, THEY'RE
LEAVING.
WHAT ARE THE CANDIDATES GOING TO
DO TO HELP PEOPLE FIND JOBS IN
THEIR HOME?
THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A STATE THAT'S
LOSING POPULATION, WHAT KIND OF
JOBS ARE YOU GOING TO BRING TO
THE TABLE SO PEOPLE CAN STAY
HOME IN THAT ENTIRE PART OF
AMERICA.
AND THAT'S SO BIG.
>> PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON ACTUAL
POLICY.
AND IT'S EVEN KNOW, THAT'S WHAT
YOU WANT TO HEAR.
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THE
CANDIDATES TALK ABOUT DONALD
TRUMP?
OR SHOULD THEY AVOID THAT
ALTOGETHER?
>> AT KNOT AT ALL.
THEY SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT TRUMP
AT ALL.
THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THEIR
POLICIES.
NO CANDIDATE HAS THAT MUCH TIME
WHEN THEY CAN REALLY GO ON TO
ALL OF THEIR POLICIES.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHICH POLICIES THEY FOCUS ON.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A SHORT AMOUNT
OF TIME, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE TO SPEND ALL YOUR TIME
TALKING ABOUT TRUMP OR GO OVER
EVERYTHING BROADLY.
THESE CANDIDATES HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WHAT THEY
CARE ABOUT AND WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO PUT INTO THEIR
CAMPAIGNS.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO STAY IN
THEIR LANES.
>> GOING OFF OF YOUR POINT
AGAIN, IT'S LIKE THERE'S WAY TOO
MANY CANDIDATES.
THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE SO MUCH
TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE
TO HEAR ABOUT SPECIFIC POLICIES
THEY WANT TO PUT FORWARD.
ME, PERSONALLY, I WANT TO SEE
WHAT CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO
ENDORSE PRISON REFORM.
LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA HAS
LED INTO THE CONVERSATION OF
INCARCERATION OF THOSE THAT ARE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND REPARATIONS
FOR THAT COMMUNITY, AS WELL.
BEING SPECIFIC WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO OFFER US.
A LOT OF TIMES THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY LIKES TO PANDER TO THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
BUT WHEN THEY GO INTO OFFICE,
THEY DON'T PUT THE POLICIES INTO
PLAY.
>> A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
AND EVERY MINUTE COUNTS.
>> WE ARE GIVEN FOOD FOR
THOUGHT.
JOY SAID THERE'S TOO MANY
CANDIDATES.
WE WANT TO KEEP TRACK FOR YOU
GUYS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>> STAY WITH US RIGHT HERE ON
NBC NEWS NOW, AS WE HEAD INTO
THE DEBATE IN LESS THAN ONE
HOUR.
>>> THE IMAGE OF A FATHER AND
DAUGHTER WHO DROWNED WHILE
TRYING TO CROSS THE BORDER FROM
MEXICO INTO THE UNITED STATES
HAS BROUGHT MORE ATTENTION TO
THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION.
AND SOME ARGUE THAT
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE I.C.E. NEED
TO BE ABOLISHED COMPLETELY.
JACOB SOBOROFF BREAKS DOWN WHERE
THE CANDIDATES STAND ON
IMMIGRATION REFORM.
>> Reporter: IT IS 2020 TIME.
WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO HELP YOU
KEEP TRACK OF THE BIG ISSUES AND
WHERE THE CANDIDATES STAND ON
THINGS LIKE ABOLISHING I.C.E.
WE LOOK AT CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT
INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT OF
HOMELAND SECURITY.
THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL PART OF
I.C.E. IS ITS REMOVAL OFFICE.
UNDER PRESIDENT
DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE THAN
ANYBODY EVER, IT TARGETED
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.
UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP, IT'S
GOING AFTER PEOPLE HERE
ILLEGALLY.
SOME SAY THAT I.C.E. HAS GONE
TOO FAR.
AND SOME ARE ATTACKING THE
ORGANIZATION.
KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND JOINED A
HANDFUL OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
PARTY PUSHING FOR I.C.E. TO BE
ABOLISHED ALTOGETHER.
ADDING IMMIGRATION ISSUES WOULD
BE SEPARATE FROM CRIMINAL
ENFORCEMENT.
ELIZABETH WARREN FOLLOWED SUIT.
SHE SAID BECAUSE TRUMP WAS SO,
QUOTE, DEEPLY IMMORAL ON
IMMIGRATION, THE SYSTEM SHOULD
BE REFORMED.
CASTRO IS CALLING FOR I.C.E. TO
BE SPLIT UP AND GOING BACK TO
DEPORTING ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO
COMMIT CRIMES OR ARE A NATIONAL
SECURITY THREAT.
WHAT DO MOST AMERICANS THINK
ABOUT ALL THIS?
ONLY 24% OF AMERICANS ACTUALLY
SUPPORT ABOLISHING THE AGENCY.
AMONG DEMOCRATS, 43% SAID THE
GOVERNMENT SHOULD GET RID OF
I.C.E.
34%, THINK IT SHOULD STAY.
THIS, AMONG OTHER ISSUES, IS ONE
OF THE POLICIES THAT WE'LL SEE
HOW FAR LEFT THE DEMOCRATS
DECIDE TO GO.
>>> WE'RE BRINGING BACK OUR
PANEL TO DIVE DEEPER ON
IMMIGRATION AND WHAT WE MIGHT
EXPECT TO HEAR ON THE STAGE
TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A NEW ADDITION, ALEX
THOMPSON.
THE MARSHAL PROJECT SAID FOR THE
LAST 25 YEARS, EVERY PRESIDENT
HAS SEEN A GROWTH OF THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE IN DETENTION
FACILITIES WHEN IT COMES TO
IMMIGRATION.
IS THERE ANY CANDIDATE YOU THINK
THAT HAS A POLICY PLATFORM THAT
CAN REVERSE THAT TREND?
>> I THINK, CASTRO AND WARREN
HAVE COME OUT TO REPEAL THE
CRIMINALIZATION STATUTE OF
PEOPLE THAT CROSS THE BORDER
ILLEGALLY.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHAT CASTRO SAYS BECAUSE MUCH OF
THAT CAMEBURG THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, WHEN HE WAS
SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN
DEVELOPMENT.
>> IS THERE ANY POLICY PLATFORM
YOU THINK WOULD SOLVE THE
IMMIGRATION ISSUE?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANY
OF THE CANDIDATES A POLICY THAT
SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT WORKING
WITH THOSE COUNTRIES.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU
DECREASE CRIME.
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TRIED
BY PUMPING IN MONEY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT BOOTS ON
THE GROUND, POLICY FOLKS.
MAYBE SEND SOME MILITARY IN TO
TRAIN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
THE MILITARY.
THIS WOULD BE A ROBUST
INITIATIVE.
IF YOU HELP LOWER CRIME, PEOPLE
WON'T WANT TO COME TO AMERICA.
YOU HAVE TO PUT MONEY IN TO
REVIVAL THE ECONOMY, AS WELL.
THAT'S A PROACTIVE, REALISTIC
LONG-TERM STRATEGY.
THAT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL AND
RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD
WAS THE ABOLISHMENT OF I. XRCHLT
I.C.E.
AND WE SEE SENATOR WARREN
STARTING TO WALK BACK THE
ENDORSEMENT OF ABOLISHING ICE.
IF THEY SAY THEY.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING
TO HAVE POLICE ON THE BORDER
PROTECTING PEOPLE, AMERICAN
CITIZENS, FROM POTENTIAL
CRIMINAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE
TRYING TO CROSS, RIGHT?
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
BUT THE ISSUE IS COMPLICATED,
IT'S A HARD DISTINCTION FOR
CANDIDATES TO MAKE IN 60
SECONDS.
I THINK THEY CAN BE MORE
COMPASSIONATE IN THEIR LANGUAGE,
TALKING ABOUT THE CAUSES TO WHY
PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IN
2015 WHEN I TRAVELED TO THE
BORDER IN ARIZONA, BEFORE ALL OF
THIS, WAS THAT I HAD IT WRONG.
WE SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO
THE UNITED STATES FOR A BETTER
LIFE.
THEY'RE COMING HERE FOR WORK.
TO CORRECT THAT, THEY ARE COMING
HERE TO BE REUNITED WITH THEIR
FAMILY MEMBERS.
MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING
CHARGED WITH ILLEGAL RE-ENTRY,
WHICH IS THE TOP FELONY CHARGE
IN THE UNITED STATES, HAD BEEN
PREVIOUSLY DEPORTED AND ARE
TRYING TO GET BACK, REUNITED
WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
IF YOUR DAUGHTER, YOUR WIFE,
YOUR SISTER, BROTHER, HERE ON
THIS SIDE OF THE BORDER, AN
INVISIBLE LINE, WHAT WOULD YOU
DO TO BE REUNITED WITH YOUR WIFE
OR YOUR BABY?
AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU PUT IT
IN HUMAN TERMS, THAT FRAME, I
THINK THE ISSUE RESONATES WITH
PEOPLE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN
SAYING THEY'RE DOING IT FOR
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
ALSO, YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THAT UP
WITH SPECIFIC PLANS ON HOW YOU
NEED TO FIX THIS BROKEN SYSTEM.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT EMPATHY AND
THESE SANCTION WARE CITIES.
A CITY LIKE NEW YORK IS A
SANCTUARY CITY.
IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY AND AN
ISSUE THAT THESE CANDIDATES WHO
ARE POLLING AT 1%, OR IN THE
SINGLE DIGITS, COULD STAND OUT
ON?
LIKE MAYOR DE BLASIO.
>> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING.
DEMOCRATS HAVE CREEDED A LOT OF
THIS GROUND TO TRUMP IN THIS
DEBATE.
ONE THING YOU HEAR IS
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION
REFORM.
THERE'S FEW CANDIDATES GOING ON
THE OFFENSE.
THIS OPENS UP A LANE FOR SOMEONE
LIKE MAYOR DE BLASIO WHO WANTS
TO MAKE THIS A SIGNATURE ISSUE.
>> WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING
WITH US NOW.
STAY TUNED TO NBC NEWS NOW.
>>> ASIDE FROM POLICY, ANOTHER
WAY THAT DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS
WITH STAND OUT, IS THROUGH THEIR
WARDROBE.
WE LOOK AT POWER DRESSING AND
THE SENSATION OF APPEARANCE CAN
BE AN ADVANTAGE FOR THE FEMALE
CONTENDERS.
>> WE'RE KNOWN TO DRESS BILLIE
JEAN KING.
WE DID DRESS HILLARY WHEN SHE
WAS SECRETARY OF STATE, NOT
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
ELIZABETH WARREN.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
DEBATES AND HOW IT CHANGED THE
WAY WE THINK ABOUT TELEVISION,
THE KENNEDY/NIXON DEBATE.
NIXON CAME IN AND HE CHOSE A
LIGHTER-COLORED SUIT THAT
BLENDED IN WITH THE BROUPD.
KENNEDY WAS IN A DARKER SUIT.
WHEN YOU'RE ON TELEVISION, YOU
NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE BACKGROUND
IS GOING TO BE AND WHETHER THE
COLOR YOU'RE WEARING WILL BLEND
WITH THE BACKGROUND ORE CONFLICT
WITH THE BACKGROUND.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT MORE WOMEN
ARE RUNNING, BUT TO THINK THAT
THE GUY IN THE SUIT WITH THE RED
TIE OR THE BLUE TIE IS POWERFUL.
THE CHALLENGE THAT MOST OF UR
IMAGES OF LEADERSHIP STILL IS
MALE.
I THINK THERE'S A STRONG,
UNCONSCIOUS BIAS, FOR MEN, AS
LEADERSHIP ROLES.
>> EARLIER THIS MONTH, YOU SAID
SHE DOESN'T HAVE A, QUOTE,
PRESIDENTIAL LOOK.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOK.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE STAMINA.
>> WOMEN HAVE TO OVERCOME THAT
AND PORTRAY THEMSELVES WITH AN
IMAGE OF CONFIDENCE, WITH AN
IMAGE OF AUTHORITY.
BUT NOT TOO STRONG BECAUSE IF
IT'S TOO STRONG, YOU'RE SEEN AS
NOT LIKABLE.
FOR WOMEN, I THINK A JACKET THAT
LOOKS MORE EQUIVALENT TO A MAN'S
SUIT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, A
BIT OF STYLE MATTERS.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WHERE THE
SLEEVES HIT, WHERE THE COLLAR,
THE HIGH COLLAR, MAKES PEOPLE
LOOK MORE CONFIDENT.
I FIND THAT WOMEN WHO WEAR
THREE-QUARTER LENGTH JACKETS
LOOK MORE POWERFUL.
WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT,
IS CANDIDATES' POSITION AND
THEIR MESSAGES AND WHAT THEY
WOULD DO IF ELECTED.
BUT BECAUSE WOMEN ARE GENERALLY
DRESSING MORE INDIVIDUALLY, IT
DOES BECOME A TOPIC OF
CONVERSATION.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT
ADVANTAGE THAT WOMEN HAVE, TO BE
ABLE TO DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES
AND THEIR STYLE AND SET
THEMSELVES APART.
WE'RE ALL MEMORABLE.
WE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND
MAKE IT WORK FOR US.
>> IN TERMS OF COLOR, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT COLORS ARE
SOLID AND BRIGHT.
BLUE IS A COLOR THAT ALMOST
EVERYONE LIKES.
RED IS FLATTERING FOR MOST
PEOPLE.
SOLID COLOR IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT
ON TELEVISION.
YOU CAN DO PATTERNS BUT NOT TOO
BOLD.
PASSION NOES ARE EASY.
ANYTHING THAT IS BUSY IS NOT
GOOD.
ANYTHING THAT IS ILL FITTING IS
NOT GOOD.
MAYBE YOU WILL BE SITTING ON A
STOOL.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW IT LOOKS
WHEN YOU SIT AND STAND.
MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION IS
THAT YOU NOT WEAR A VERY
EXPENSIVE DESIGNER PIECE.
IT HAS TO LOOK FAMILIAR.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT
PEOPLE LOOK AT AND FEEL
COMFORTABLE WITH.
PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE CONSCIOUS
THAT IMAGE MATTERS.
ONCE PEOPLE LOOK AT YOU, IT'S
ONLY A FEW SECONDS THAT THEY
HAVE FORMED AN OPINION.
SO, THE CLOTHING IS REALLY THE
FIRST PART OF IT.
THIS CLOTHING AND THE VISUAL
IMAGE.
PEOPLE TREAT YOU WITH MORE
RESPECT AND THEY'RE MORE
DIFFERENTIAL WHEN YOU ARE
DRESSED WELL.
>>> BEYOND THE WARDROBE OF THE
CANDIDATES, VOTERS SAY THEY ALSO
CARE ABOUT THEIR WALLETS.
A RECENT POLL BY REAL CLEAR
OPINION RESEARCH FOUND THAT
AMERICAN VOTERS RANK THE ECONOMY
SECOND-MOST IMPORTANT ON THEIR
LIST OF CONCERNS.
THAT WAS BEHIND HEALTH CARE.
LET'S BRING BACK OUR GUESTS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES OF
TONIGHT.
DONALD TRUMP HAS MADE MUCH ADO
ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE ECONOMY
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
HOW CAN DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES
CONVINCE THEIR BASE THAT A
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT CAN BRING A
STRONGER ECONOMY THAN PRESIDENT
TRUMP?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE
PRESIDENT, HE'S LESS
DISCIPLINED.
MORE THAT HE TRIES TO PORTRAY
THAT MESSAGE, MORE THAT THE
DEMOCRATS' MESSAGE WILL
RESONATE.
THE WAY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE
TACKLING IT, FROM ALTERNATIVE
POINTS OF VIEW, HOW CLIMATE
CHANGE AFFECTS THE ECONOMY.
AND LOOKING AT MORE FROM A
HIGH-TO-LOW, RATHER THAN THE
TRADITIONAL STOCK MARKET WHO IS
BENEFITTING IN A TRADITIONAL
WAY.
THE PRESIDENT CAN USE THE
ECONOMY TO THESE CANDIDATES'
ADVANTAGES.
>> AND YOU MENTIONED THE CLIMATE
CHANGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE
HEARD THE COLLEGE STUDENTS JUST
MENTION.
SHERMICHAEL, FOR A CANDIDATE
LIKE INSLEE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
CONCERNED THAT YOU MIGHT LOSE
SOME OF THE BLUE COLLAR JOBS.
HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THOSE VOTERS
TO GET ONBOARD?
>> YOU'RE TALKING TO A VERY
SMALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTERS IN
THE OVERALL DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
IF YOU DO WIN THE GENERAL,
YOU'LL HAVE A MUCH BROADER BASE
OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO ARTICULATE
TO.
AND KEEP IN MIND, PRESIDENTS ARE
DIFFICULT TO BEAT.
ONLY THREE PRESIDENTS HAVE LOST
RE-ELECTION.
ONLY 3 IN THE PAST 100 YEARS.
DESPITE HOW CRAZY DONALD TRUMP
MIGHT BE, TO BE ABLE TO RUN ON A
STRONG ECONOMY IS A VERY, VERY
BIG DEAL.
FOR THE DEMOCRATS, YOU DON'T
WANT TO FALL INTO A TRAP OF
BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER WHERE
YOU BRING IN ALL OF THE
COALITIONS, FACTIONS OF GROUPS
OF PEOPLE.
SOME FOLKS MAY STAY HOME BECAUSE
THEIR GUY DIDN'T WIN, I.E.
BERNIE SANDERS VOTERS.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE LOUD,
SMALL PERCENTAGE, VOCAL GROUP
WITHIN THE PARTY, PROGRESSIVE,
LIKE THIS IDEA OF THE GREEN NEW
DEAL, YOU CANNOT ISOLATE SOME OF
THOSE BLUE COLLAR VOTERS WHO WE
SAW IN 2016 VOTED FOR DONALD
TRUMP.
YOU LOOK AT THE PRECINCT MAP IN
WISCONSIN AND IOWA, THEY VOTED
FOR OBAMA TWICE.
DON'T MAKE THOSE MISTAKES AGAIN.
>> CANDIDATE DELANEY SAID THE
GREEN, NEW DEAL WAS AS
UNREALISTIC AS TRUMP'S PROMISE
THAT MEXICO WAS GOING TO PAY FOR
THE WALL.
TRUE OR FALSE?
>> REPRESENTATIVE DELANEY HAS
MADE -- WAS THE MODERATE
CANDIDATE.
NOW, THE ANTI-SOCIALIST, THE
ANTI-BERNIE.
ANYTIME THERE'S AN AGGRESSIVE
PROPOSAL, LIKE THE GREEN NEW
DEAL, MEDICARE FOR ALL, THESE
GONE OUT OF HIS WAY TO GO AFTER
PROGRESSIVE AUDIENCES AND
ANTAGONIZE THEM.
TO HOPE THEY'RE NOT MODERATE
PRIMARY VOTERS WHO WILL GET THEM