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  • you.

  • you. LIAM: Are we ready for some

  • more?

  • Thank you very much to everyone for coming back, I was hoping

  • that we would

  • get a really good crowd back and that too many of you haven't

  • just gone to the

  • pub, which I think my dad has done, which I was tempted to do,

  • I tried to ring him but I think he is two pints deep. Is he

  • happy. We had a good debate this morning for

  • the leadership hustings, it was very camaraderie and friendly

  • and lively so the pressure is on guys to play nice.

  • The 40-second rule we brought in in the earlier event seemed to

  • work quite well, so initially for the first questions we want

  • a 40-second answer and I will be hurrying you along when that

  • comes to a close. Then, after a certain number of

  • questions, we will move to a two-minute

  • final summation, which will close the show. So, we have been

  • going back through

  • questions, we tried to vary things up, because this is a

  • different role and

  • tried to focus on people who are very specific about deputy

  • leadership questions.

  • These are the things I have have been told to say, that I have to

  • say. Candidates drew lots half an hour ago to decide which will

  • stand at which podium. The results mean that Angela Rayner

  • will go first, followed by Dawn Butler,

  • Richard Burgeon, Rosena Allin Khan and, Ian Murray. If you

  • could keep on top of that, that

  • would be great, because numbers are not

  • my thing, or just basic logic. So each question will be asked

  • to every candidate, when the candidates come out we will have

  • no open statement and no candidate will be permitted to

  • interrupt

  • or heckle their owe poniesent, but a bit of light banlter is

  • helpful. If you want to dive in and say things

  • that is fine, but keep it nice and friendly. Shall we start?

  • My first question is from Jennifer Corcoran in Southport.

  • In front row, very brave! It's not a stand up gig. What key

  • message from your campaign can

  • I deliver on the door step to inspire our voters old and new.

  • So it's about the key message of what you want to bring to the

  • position that Jennifer can deliver on the doorstep.

  • ANGELA: Thank you for your question, I

  • did visit Southport during the General Election campaign and

  • the key message is utilising every inch of our movement, our

  • fantastic movement, energising and bringing it together to sell

  • what socialism is about, what the Labour movement is about,

  • that is our greatest thing and that is reaching our full

  • potential as a movement and making sure that everyone can do

  • that.

  • I think, actually my role and my back story talks about how we

  • can unify the party to make sure we get behind our leader and we

  • win the next General Election because I can't think we can

  • wait any longer.

  • (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: Excellent timekeeping, Dawn, same question to you, what

  • key message from

  • your campaign can be trifr delivered on the door step to

  • inspire voters old and new.

  • DAWN: Whenwe can wait any longer. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: Excellent timekeeping, Dawn, same question to you, what

  • key message from your campaign can be trifr delivered on the

  • door step to inspire voters old and new.

  • DAWN: When I knock on the door what I want people to say is

  • "oh, yes I know

  • what Labour has delivered for us, Labour has delivered locally

  • and a metro mayor or a crime commissioner and Labour will

  • deliver to us from Government." Labour has made my life better,

  • my

  • family's life better, my children and grandchildren's

  • life better. I want people to understand that socialism is

  • about aspiration, it's about making sure you have a solid

  • foundation in your life, that we build your life, we make you

  • better, we are a part of you and that nobody gets left behind.

  • When I knock on the doors that is what

  • I want to hear them say to me. LIAM: Thank you, Dawn. The same

  • question to you, Richard. RICHARD: Thank you very much,

  • Jennifer for that question.

  • I will be on the door step with you as

  • a campaigning deputy leader. I want a people-powered campaign

  • so I

  • want to strengthen our campaign and message by focussing on ten

  • key policies in partnership with the members and the Trade Unions

  • to sell on the door step. I remember when I joined the

  • Labour Party back in the mid 90s being very

  • taken by the way John Prescott used the

  • role of deputy leader as a campaigning role.

  • I see it in the same way, not a leader in waiting, not a

  • mischief leader in waiting but a team player working for

  • all of you to get Labour back into Government.

  • LIAM: Ian, are you going to be a mischief maker.

  • IAN: Certainly not, but I want to speak

  • to Jennifer about how she managed to get the Labour vote

  • up 7% in the last election, because my main message about

  • standing for deputy leader is to go out and stand in the seats we

  • won and lost and the seats we will never win and listen to the

  • public and reflect on what they are telling the Labour movement

  • on what we have to do to get into Government.

  • We have a Conservative majority, it's a disaster, the only way we

  • can transform

  • the country and places like south port is to listen to what

  • the public are telling us, change it and get us back into

  • the Government so that the people of Southport get the

  • Labour Government they deserve. The first stop is to listen to

  • the seats that we won and lost and listen to

  • people like Jennifer who managed to put

  • up the Labour vote up by 7% for Liz Savage in Southport.

  • LIAM: Thank you. Rosena, what about your key message?

  • ROSENA: Thank you very much, Jennifer and thank you everyone

  • for being here today. My key message are of hope and unity.

  • As the daughter of a single mum who had to work three jobs to

  • put food on the table, as a mixed race child, growing up

  • in poverty under Thatcher and Major I was written off. The

  • Labour Party believed in me, I am

  • the embodiment of what can happen when the Labour Party

  • believes you in you, I now work as a doctor in our NHS. I want

  • to knock on doors and say the Labour Party believes in you,

  • our future generations, let's join together,

  • rebuild from the grassroots and rebuild organisational capacity

  • and take the

  • fight to the Tories and show future generations through hope

  • and unity we believe in them too. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: So, this was a very popular question and I am making

  • no further remarks about it. It is how would you support the

  • leader and how would you overcome any differences?

  • That is from Elaine owe Callaghan in Liverpool. We will

  • start one on that one, Dawn. DAWN: Thank you for that.

  • So, look, people talk about unity, but I have walked the

  • walk of unity. It's great that everyone is talking about being

  • united but I have walked that walk, I have served under two

  • Labour Prime Ministers and they don't come around that often,

  • but we need to get us back there again and we need a Labour

  • Government and I have served in the Shadow Cabinet.

  • I will never, ever join a coup, because

  • nobody votes for a a disunited party. It's a united party that

  • wins elections, so don't just talk about

  • unity,

  • let's show unity, let's show it and so I will take us to the

  • finishing line and

  • we will have another Labour Prime Minister.

  • LIAM: Richard, same question to you, how would you go back

  • supporting the lead what if there were differences between

  • the two of you. RICHARD: Well, whoever wins

  • leadership election, whether it's Becky who I am supporting

  • in this campaign, whether

  • it's Emily, Keir, Lisa or Jess, I will be a team player, lacer

  • focussed on working with and for them to deliver a Labour

  • Government.

  • We have to support our elected leader, I was under great

  • pressure to do the wrong thing, which was wrong for the party

  • when people were trying to get rid of our elected leader, I of

  • course refused to go along with that and I am

  • proud I took the position position. The Labour Party has

  • always been a broad coalition of socialists like myself, social

  • Democrats and Trade Unions, it needsgreat pressure to do the

  • wrong thing, which was wrong for the party when people were

  • trying to get rid of our elected leader, I of course refused to

  • go along with that and I am proud I took the position. The

  • Labour Party has always been a broad coalition of socialists

  • like myself, social Democrats and Trade Unions, it needs to

  • remain like that, as Howard Wilson says "a bird needs two

  • wings to fly" and we can fly together, turn around this

  • defeat and get back

  • into Government at the next election.

  • LIAM: Ian, how do you see that role.

  • IAN: Well the role of deputy leader is to support the leader

  • of the party and not only that but the entire Labour movement.

  • I have already pledged as one of my five pledges to be the voice

  • of the Trade Unions, the affiliates and societies that

  • are part of the Labour family and to be their voice in the

  • Shadow Cabinet and to the leader. I also think the role is

  • to organise, organise, organise and get the party into a fit

  • state in the country to take the policies forward and take the

  • views of not just the leader but the entire Labour movement

  • forward. I think there is one thing that is critical in that

  • is to be a critical friend of the leader.

  • In times gone by every single leader of the Labour Party has

  • surrounded themselves with everyone who agrees with them

  • and I think you need to be a critical friend to reflect the

  • voice of the Labour movement and take that forward so we can have

  • a strong

  • leadership team. LIAM: And you, Rosena, in terms

  • of differences and also working together with the leader.

  • ROSENA: The number one role of the deputy leader is to support

  • the leader. I fundamentally believe that and

  • actually I am the only

  • the only deputy leader who hasn't nominated a cand dealt

  • because I will work with anyone. We haven't been as united as we

  • could have been and should have been at leadership level.

  • I have been proud to serve on Jeremy's

  • front benchs but I had to take some tough decisions about

  • Brexit, but I picked up the phone and I am honoured to call

  • him a friend and I said it whats I need to do, will you support

  • me on that. It's always been respectful because the only way

  • to go forward is to unite and walk the walk and not just talk

  • the talk at a leadership level.

  • LIAM: Everyone is sticking nicely to the

  • time frame, also found my dad over there. He is back from the

  • pub. I was keen to make a few of the other

  • questions we selected to the relevant.... I told you I

  • couldn't remember the

  • order of things, sorry, Angela, same question to you, apologies,

  • how do we see the role in terms of working with

  • the leader and potentially ironing out differences?

  • ANGELA: Well, I think you can't be a leader in waiting, you have

  • to be a support to the leader and I made a conscious decision

  • to stand for deputy leader because my strengths are in

  • organising and supporting our leader. Jeremy will tell me I

  • have always been a friend who has not been shy at saying what

  • needs to be said, but you will also

  • now in my four years I have never been anything but

  • pluralist and supporting our party and our movement.

  • So that is why I have received so much support so far and so

  • much nomination and I thank everyone for your support,

  • but I promise you I will be a campaigning deputy leader that

  • will not do anything that takes us away from power and will make

  • sure that we do get that Labour Prime Minister next General

  • Election.

  • LIAM: So as I say, wanted to select some questions that were

  • pertinent to where we were in Liverpool. One of the main

  • issues facing the city at the moment is that there is a

  • desperate need for a new hospital in the Royal Liverpool

  • Hospital that is going to be five years late following the

  • collapse of Carillion, we did a story saying that the overall

  • cost is £1.1 billion now. One question here which is saying

  • that this person's biggest fear is the continued privatisation

  • of the NHS, can you give your view as to how we can stop this

  • and also reverse it. So, we are starting with Richard on this

  • one. RICHARD: I think the kind of

  • campaign that is going on in Liverpool in support

  • of our NHS and in support of the hospital is the kind of campaign

  • rooted

  • in our communities that as deputy leader I would support. I

  • am proud that the Labour Party has a commitment to public

  • ownership, I think

  • we need to further deepen that and when we analyse our

  • devastating election defeat we have to make sure we don't throw

  • out the baby with the bath water. That means no retreat on

  • our commitment

  • to public observe ownership, no retreat

  • from defending our health

  • service from Donald Trump and his

  • counterparty in this country, Boris Johnson, so I salute the

  • campaign and I will support that in any way I can.

  • LIAM: Ian, how concerned are youownership, no retreat from

  • defending our health service from Donald Trump and his

  • counterparty in this country, Boris Johnson, so I salute the

  • campaign and I will support that in any way I can.

  • LIAM: Ian, how concerned are you about privatise within the NHS.

  • >>: IAN: Hugely concerned and in

  • actual fact it has opened it up to a trade deal with the NHS.

  • With Donald Trump the NHS is being created by the Labour

  • movement, it was

  • saved from the Tories in the mid9 autos and it looks like the

  • Labour movement will have to save it again. That is because

  • the NHS is not only

  • important for country, but it epitomises

  • our values, free at the point of use and regardless of someone's

  • ability to pay.

  • The issue is huge in Wales and our Labour in power in Wales

  • shows you what can be done when have you Labour in power with

  • the NHS. So let's get this hospital sorted and also expose

  • the lies of Boris Johnson's lies on the NHS. He is claiming there

  • is more money when it's going to be legislated for to freeze it

  • and he is talking about building 40 new hospitals which we know

  • is a lie. Let's get this hospital sorted for the people

  • of Merseyside.

  • LIAM: Thank you very much. Rosena Allin Khan, I think you

  • know a few things about the NHS. ROSENA: Firstly I am so proud of

  • the campaign here in Liverpool, but also

  • thank you to any NHS worker or supporter who is in the

  • audience. I still do shifts in the A&E, I have put on my scrubs

  • and I have worked under a Labour and a Tory Government.

  • As a doctor I stand side by side and we can't give the patients

  • the help they need.

  • I will stand up to this Government as a doctor, as a

  • proud Labour sister, it's the best thing we have given this

  • country as a Labour Government, but a Labour Government also

  • gave me the hope

  • and opportunity to serve in our beloved NHS.

  • It has to stop any form of privatisation must stop, it must

  • be completely publicly owned, it is the thing I am so incredibly

  • proud of and as deputy leader and even if I am not elected I

  • am going to stare the Tories in the eye, every single day I am

  • elected representative and fight for our

  • NHS.

  • LIAM: Angela, what are your views on the privatisation

  • situation?

  • ANGELA: It's a scandal what has happened with the Liverpool

  • Hospital and actually the Carillion collapse shows you

  • what privatisation has done within our public services and

  • within our NHS.

  • I was a regional convener for over

  • 200,000 public sector workers across

  • Unison, I stood on the picket lines against academyisation of

  • our schools,

  • I was there within charmly within this election campaign to

  • say leave our A&E department alone, I will continue to fight

  • to reverse the privatisation of our key public services and to

  • fight for what I believe socialism is about and that is

  • key public services delivered

  • within the public

  • sector.

  • LIAM: Same to you, Dawn.

  • DAWN: Be under no doubt,er wound the fight of our lives.

  • My mum who came over in the Windrush organisation worked in

  • the NHS.

  • In 1945 Labour created the NHS, in 1977

  • we saved it from collapse in the Tories. We are in that fight

  • again, you deserve a new hospital, but trust me, Boris

  • and his crew want to sell the NHS to Donald

  • Trump, they are at the moment data harvesting our data to sell

  • to Donald Trump. We need to stop it, but we need to fight

  • together, both here and in Liverpool, we must unite as a

  • Labour family to fight to save our NHS and our services at

  • every single point when they

  • are trying to close an A&E, when they are not trying to close a

  • hospital, we

  • have have to win the moral argument and we have to fight

  • together to save the

  • NHS and get you a new hospital. LIAM: While we are on the topic

  • of public ownership and services and the

  • north it seems a good time to ask about the trains.

  • Duncan Havant from Rochdale CLP may have come on a train, he is

  • asking about better train services in the north.

  • He want know how you will achieve a Crossrail for the

  • north? IAN: I nearly missed the

  • hustings today because I came up from London on Avanti trains and

  • it terminated and Crewe and

  • trying to get here was impossible, they said I was to

  • get on a two carriage

  • train to Chester and made my way from there.

  • There was 200 people trying to get on that train, quite simply

  • the transport system is creaking under privatisation

  • and we have to renationalise the rail network as quickly as

  • possible. We have to make the argument to get money out of

  • London in terms of transport spend and into the transport

  • spend of the north east. Can you imagine a scenario of economic

  • development in north west and the north east in Scotland where

  • I am from if those regions were able to work together to put a

  • transport infrastructure project together that increased

  • development in those regions. It would be transformative and it

  • would mean that people could work and economic

  • growth in this region and other regions neighbouring it could be

  • transformed.

  • That is what we have to do in terms of Labour movement work

  • towards that by

  • regions in the north working together.

  • LIAM: We have heard a lot of talk about HS2 in the national

  • press, but up here

  • we lake to talktransformed. That is what we have to do in terms

  • of Labour movement work towards that by regions in the north

  • working together. LIAM: We have heard a lot of

  • talk about HS2 in the national press, but up here we lake to

  • talk about HS3. >>: I support the

  • renationalisation of our railways. I think it is

  • essential for passengers

  • and for staff and absolutely, it is an abombenation that so many

  • central

  • Government decisions that affect the people that live in the

  • north east of

  • the country are take are taken in London. We have to be serious

  • about that and if we are going to be serious, we need to listen

  • to what they want.

  • Even if we look at northern rail as an example, this Tory

  • Government have no way of understanding or recognition of

  • what is going on at the system. They are looking at giving the

  • franchise how to someone else, without

  • an understanding of the poor timetabling and I am proud to be

  • working with the

  • unions to support renationalisation and making

  • sure you have the rail service

  • you all deserve. LIAM: You probably know a thing

  • or two about travelling in the north, do you?

  • ANGELA: There is a reason we called the

  • minister at the time Failing Grayling in the north. You see

  • the Monday that is spent in London and the south and it's

  • connectivity, it's not just about rail, it's about buses and

  • public transport and the connectivity between them. There

  • is no reason why we have to put up with a fragmented privatised

  • terrible system which treats staff appallingly as well and

  • doesn't value the people that work in the system.

  • So I absolutely want it renationalised, I want a

  • connectivity, I want the money spent so that our businesses and

  • our young people can get around the north and if you see what

  • Greater Manchester is doing with our mayor, around making sure

  • that young people get free transport as well, actually if

  • we can get transport, free public transport, greener

  • transport we can save the planet and allow our young people and

  • allow everyone to get to work and get our businesses moving

  • across the north which

  • is incredibly important. LIAM: Dawn, something you would

  • push for.

  • DAWN: So page 90 of the 1997 made talked about how we

  • renationalise our railways.

  • We must take with us all of our policies that will work for the

  • country and talk about it, from now until the next election,

  • because those policies

  • made sense. They say they are going to

  • renationalise

  • nationalise, the media didn't lose their shit, they said we

  • need to do that.

  • We have renationalise parts of the railway and it's worked,

  • it's worked so well, what do this they do is privatise it

  • again, all they want to do is put money in the pocket of

  • shareholders instead of making sure the service works for you,

  • so what we have to do is change all of that and we must look at

  • our manifesto and know that we were doing the right thing.

  • Our policies work, they are workable and sensible policies.

  • Let's get into Government so we can put

  • our policies into action. LIAM: That is the first swear

  • word we

  • have had today and I very much enjoyed it!

  • DAWN: I promised I wouldn't. LIAM: It was a passionate

  • moment, we all enjoyed it. Richard, what about yourself?

  • RICHARD: I think Dennis Skinner was

  • right when he said the Tories talk of a northern powerhouse is

  • a complete con. It's not the northern powerhouse, it's turned

  • out to be the northern poorhouse and we need investment in our

  • communities and of course we need investment in transport. In

  • Leeds I am on this pacer train which

  • is mentioned day in day out, on one of these trains which is

  • basically an old London bus on wheels.

  • We deserve better than that, I am proud

  • to be supported by Andy McDonald, the shadow transport

  • secretary, doing such a great job as an advocate for modern

  • public ownership and we cannot retreat

  • on our policy of a modern publicly owned railway service.

  • Before I was a Labour MP I was a train union lawyer working for,

  • amongst others, Trade Unions representing workers in the rail

  • industry. It has failed, the privatisation has

  • failed worker, failed passengers and now

  • the climate catastrophe on the horizon it's more important than

  • ever we get a modern publicly owned railway service.

  • (APPLAUSE). LIAM: So it sounds like you are

  • all in favour of public railway.

  • I just wanted to chip in slightly mischievously and ask

  • if there is

  • anything in the last manifesto you didn't agree with or you

  • didn't think was done correctly? Can we start with Rosena.

  • ROSENA: I am proud of our manifesto and I think many of

  • you in this room would be as well. A lot of hard work from a

  • lot of our colleagues some of whom are standing here today

  • went into creating a manifesto that could I feel I could stand

  • behind. A lot of the issues that we had we didn't are a media on

  • our side, wouldn't let us get our positive messages across. We

  • had to fight a defensive campaign which meant some of our

  • messages were watered down. But we also weren't quite election

  • ready, we didn't have long enough so it felt like some of

  • our messages weren't getting out in the way they should and don't

  • have the impact because too many were coming out in one go.

  • I support the renationalisation of our rail services and it's

  • all about accepting we need to protect our environment, we need

  • cleaner and greener services and we know we can only do that by

  • renationalising it. So I am really proud of our manifesto,

  • there are incredible things in there, but come on, let's get a

  • Labour Government, let's prove to this country they can trust

  • us again and let's get back in there and get this manifesto

  • deliverable and prove to people we can govern.

  • RICHARD: govern. LIAM: When we asked this

  • question, there

  • were quite a few few candidates said there was too much in the

  • manifesto. ANGELA: I am proud of the work I

  • have done with yourselves on the national education service and I

  • know my colleagues like Rebecca on the Green Industrial

  • Revolution and Andy McDonald on transport we had put a lot of

  • detail

  • in and we had done the detail, but the overarching message

  • wasn't there. That was the difference between us and the

  • Tories, they had an overarching message but there was no detail,

  • there was nothing in it.

  • We had so much in it, we are apprenticeshipships and

  • rebuilding the

  • economy, which I don't think was that radical.

  • My generation had free education,

  • social housing and public housing, I don't that is

  • radical. I don't think we had the overarching message that was

  • pushing it across the

  • line when we were facing such a hostile press and the difficulty

  • around Brexit,

  • they managed managed to pummel that down, but I have nothing

  • bad to say what

  • we were trying to achieve in our

  • manifesto which, to me, was socialism.

  • LIAM: Were you happy with the manifesto?

  • DAWN: I was over the moon with the manifesto, I launch add bit

  • of the race

  • and faith manifesto in Liverpool and I launched it here and thank

  • you to everyone who came out and supported that. But let me

  • explain something about the manifesto and a bit of the

  • manifesto that got a lot of stick. Free broadband, now that

  • sort of came out of blue, we were like free broadband and

  • everyone was talking about it, when

  • I spoke to John McDonnell he was doing a tour around the country

  • and he was talking to businesses and businesses said we are not

  • competitive enough because we haven't access to broadband we,

  • need broadband to make our businesseses work and grow and

  • that is where the free broadband pledge come in, but we didn't

  • have to time to explain it, but it was really to help the north

  • build their business, so we didn't have time to explain it.

  • Let me tell you something else, in Loughborough they said it was

  • like a Toby Carvery, you had loads of stuff on your plate and

  • you are eating it and all of a sudden I am coming up and giving

  • you some gravy and there is some

  • Brussels sprouts and I haven't finished eating my potatoes and

  • so it was a bit

  • much, that is all.

  • (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: First swear word, first mention of

  • Toby Carvery at a leadership hustings. Richard, you are

  • involved in the manifesto, what do you think of Dawn's plate a

  • bit too much and too much gravy on your plate? plate?

  • RICHARD: As a vegetarian I can't answer directly.

  • I back our policies in the 2019 manifesto.

  • I think we need to learn the lessons of this devastating

  • defeat. Brexit overshadowed party loyalists and I also want

  • to speak out about the demonisation of a decent man.

  • There is no city in

  • this country, I will I will claim another ten seconds. There

  • is no city in this country that knows as much as you do about

  • how newspapers like the right wing Sun newspaper demonise

  • decent people that is

  • why I was proud to take The Sun to

  • court, be cross-examined

  • by them for two days, defeat them in court and use the

  • compensation to set up a local internship for young people in

  • Leeds.

  • So just as they demonise people in the

  • city they have also demonised John demonised Jeremy Corbyn.

  • The last point I will make is I will set in place working with

  • the unions and

  • the members working out the ten best bread and butter policies

  • to raise living standards from the day I am elected deputy

  • leader we will be out around the country connecting communities

  • so by the time we get to the

  • next election we can win that General Election. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: Ian, anything about the manifesto that didn't work for

  • you or on the door step. IAN: Can I say what was great in

  • the manifesto, the Green New Deal which has been mentioned by

  • Angela. I thought the prescription of the economy not

  • working for the majority in this country was excellent and the

  • majority would agree that the economy doesn't work for all

  • parts of the country.

  • When you asked the question I wrote down too many things in

  • it, a lot of people have said that, I think the next manifesto

  • should have a relentless focus on the future how we deal with

  • climate change, automation, the world of work and how we fund

  • our public services and try and give a vision and aspiration of

  • a what this country should look like in 10, 20 or 30 years time.

  • The one thing that wasn't in the manifesto which came later was

  • sorting

  • out the injustice towards women and the criticism that the party

  • got for that the nofs deserved because it has to be sorted and

  • the Labour Party were going to sort it and next time they get

  • into Government we are going to have to sort it.

  • LIAM: Okay.

  • Am I in the right zone? Are we starting again? We will move on

  • to Angela and start

  • with a question from James Gardner, we

  • were going to have to talk about Brexit at some point. He says

  • many Labour leaders feel left behind in the party and the

  • country, what is your strategy to win them back?

  • ANGELA: The next election won't be fought or won on Brexit, but

  • what we do have to do now, immediately is talk about what

  • type of post EU world we will be living in, because what I worry

  • about

  • at the moment is Donald Trump with the help of Boris Johnson

  • getting his hands on our NHS.

  • The lack of protections for our environment, the lack of

  • protections for our employment rights and our consumer

  • rights, we have got to relentlessly take it to the

  • Tories for the next few years and then build upon what we want

  • to see and that is the anti-competition rules making

  • sure that they can get their hands off our public services

  • and that we can rebuild our economy and rebuild our

  • industries here so that we can do the best by every single part

  • of our country, including Scotland, including Wales and

  • including areas like this that

  • have been held down for far too

  • long. LIAM: Interesting, Dawn,

  • obviously Liverpool is a strongly remain voting

  • area and has stayed with Labour, how do you win the leave areas

  • back.

  • DAWN: It's by listen, by going there, building locally the

  • communities, I have a campaign organised recruit and educate.

  • We need to get back into the grassroots

  • of communities, all over the country and listen to what they

  • have to say. Not judge, not talk over them, but listen to what

  • they have to say and from that we start building, from that we

  • start winning and we start building trust. We need to start

  • building trust again,

  • because Brexit is going

  • to harm their lives if we don't get it right. We are not going

  • to win the votes in Parliament, the only thing we are going to

  • win is the moral argument, so we need to get back to the roots

  • and get back to the people who have left us and make sure that

  • borrowed vote they have given

  • to Boris we get it back next time and we win every single

  • leave seat next time

  • and we don't give opportunity for hate

  • to seep in either. LIAM: I think I am right in

  • saying that you disagreed with the party's Brexit stance going

  • into the election, is that correct correct?

  • RICHARD: No, it was correct to bring people together on this

  • subject but it failed. I have experience of this representing

  • a constituency, Leeds East that voted overwhelmingly to leave

  • and have announced that if I am deputy leader I will chair a

  • special commission into how

  • we win back the 50 plus seats we lost in leave areas. In my

  • constituency which voted overwhelmingly to leave, our

  • majority

  • was reduced was reduce by a big margin,

  • but we got a higher vote in 2001, 2005 and 2010. I am proud

  • that my campaign is chaired

  • by Laura Pidcott who lost her seat because of leave. So I am

  • mindful, we have to understand as well we lost half of our

  • votes to people who voted remain and half of our votes to people

  • who voted leave, it's a distribution of those votes that

  • caused the problem, so we can't leave anyone behind, we need to

  • bring people together and fight the battles of future, not the

  • past. LIAM: Thank you, Richard.

  • Ian, what about yourself? IAN: As you can tell from my

  • accent I know what constitutional politics can do

  • to rip a country apart. The big lesson for the Labour movement

  • is never to face both on the constitutional issues of the

  • way, because if you stand in the middle of the road when it comes

  • to the

  • constitution you get hid by cars on both sites, the issues of

  • Brexit have been the totem I can issue of what we have had to

  • deal with.

  • We have to deal with where we are now, what we are now is that

  • Boris Johnson

  • will try to bring us out at the end of December with a new deal,

  • what

  • we have to do is in paverl every single

  • industry lost and job lost, as a result of the lies now lie at

  • his door and we will be holding him to account. As deputy leader

  • one of the pledges I have made is I will go around the country

  • in a constitutional convention

  • to find out how we govern every single

  • nation of the United Kingdom, because it

  • matters, it matter to the Labour Party and we need to be close to

  • the European Union. LIAM: Rosena, you are were a

  • remain voting area, how do you think you can reconnect with the

  • leave voters?s? ROSENA: I accept, though I

  • campaigned to

  • remain and I was proud to vote against Johnson and Theresa

  • May's deal. I understand why people are leaving. As the

  • daughter of a Polish woman who

  • has lived in this country for 45 years who has experiences hate

  • crime, I understand the importance of rebuilding our

  • communities. As someone who works in the NHS alongside

  • nursing staff and cleaners and porters from all over the EU who

  • cry and

  • say we feel let down and we don't feel welcome anymore, we

  • have to rebuild their trust.

  • How we build trust is by listening.

  • As the deputy leader I am going to roll

  • up my sleeves, get on a train when we renationalise the rail

  • services, I am going to go into Scotland, Wales and around our

  • country and I am going autosay thank you to our activists and

  • ask people how they get the vote back, the ones they loaned to

  • the Tories and I am going to take this fight to Boris Johnson

  • and his cronies in Parliament and I am going to defend our

  • workers rights, our environmental protections and I

  • am going to defend the NHS. I hope you are with me.

  • (APPLAUSE). LIAM: So we are here in

  • Liverpool today

  • and this seems a pertinent question from Benjamin, he wants

  • to know if you, when you are the deputy leader will continue to

  • make sure that Labour is an

  • anti-austerityausterity party, I would add an extra question,

  • Boris Johnson is talking a lot about infrastructure projects

  • when reconnecting with the north and building bridges and someone

  • left a comment on our website saying that bridges won't look

  • after your nan, so how much of that reconnecting and funding

  • local Government is really important to you in terms of

  • social care as well? Dawn. DAWN: Am I next? I was one of

  • the very few MPs who

  • voted against the Welfare Reform Bill.

  • The reason why I did it is because I wanted us to be an

  • anti-austerity party. I didn't understand how we could be

  • arguing as a Labour Party for austerity, it made no sense to

  • me. My principles wouldn't allow me to abstain, I had to vote

  • against it. So I will continue to do that, I will

  • continue to ensure that we are an anti-austerity party and

  • Jeremy Corbyn was in that lobby with me and let me

  • tell you if it wasn't for Jeremy we

  • wouldn't have had the anti-austerity

  • manifestos we had that we fought for in the General Election.

  • We have to continue with that anti-austerity stance, because

  • it helps nobody. Let me tell you Boris doesn't care about anyone

  • but Boris, we need to care for each other.

  • LIAM: Thank you, Dawn.

  • Richard, how important will fight be austerity to you?

  • RICHARD: When I was first elected as a

  • membership of Parliament in 2015 and Ed Miliband stood down I was

  • one of ten

  • Labour MPs said whoever puts themselves

  • forward as leader must be anti-austerity, that is why I

  • nominated Jeremy Corbyn to be leader of the Labour Party in

  • 2015 and that is why I support him in that campaign and the

  • second leadership campaign. I was also one of the 48 Labour

  • Party MPs who voted against the Tory Welfare Bill and we can't

  • go back to the future.

  • I remember when Labour wasn't an anti-austerity party and I know

  • that the members and the unions want to it to remain an anti-

  • austerity party and as deputy leader you have this promise

  • from me, in the Shadow Cabinet and hopefully in the cabinet I

  • will be a voice for members and Trade Unions on the point of

  • anti-austerity and all of the other issues that are so

  • important to you. LIAM: Ian, in Liverpool, the

  • council

  • have lost £420 million since 2010, how would you address the

  • massive impact it's had on communities.

  • IAN: Thank you for the question, Dave Hanson who was a Labour

  • Party MP and one of the best Labour Party MPs there lost his

  • seat at the election and we have to learn why and we have to

  • learn those lessons quickly so that we don't lose wonderful MPs

  • like Dave Hanson again and

  • we can get it back into Labour hands.

  • Local Government has been savaged by this Tory Government

  • because they know that local Government is where this Labour

  • movement works.

  • We have a tremendous friend here in

  • rather ham, setting that aside, local

  • Government is the last defence of public services across the

  • country. The capital city I represent in Edinburgh has had

  • hundreds of millions of pounds stripped out of its budget and

  • that is the services that look after education and social care

  • and as you said, look after our grannies rather than build

  • bridges. We have to fund and be confident in local Government

  • and that is why the Labour movement has to seriously

  • consider how we govern all the nations and regions and make

  • sure that we centre Steve Rotherham's up and down the

  • countries that is not only able to

  • invest in public services but we are

  • able to fight for more money for them.

  • LIAM: Rosena, anti-austerity? ROSENA: I agree up with one

  • heater in the house and my brother and I had to move it

  • around from room-to-room in order to stay warm. There are

  • 3,000 homeless children in

  • Wandsworth tonight, which is my Borough, I know what hunger

  • tastes like, I know what it feels like to be cold.

  • It doesn't know or understand regional variation, it matters.

  • You have a commitment from me, an unequivocal one that I will

  • fight austerity with every fibre of my being.

  • That is the reason I joined the Labour Party, it's the reason I

  • work in the NHS and the reason I am standing for deputy leader

  • because I am so proud we are the party of anti-austerity and as

  • our deputy leader I am going to take that forward. I have been a

  • local councillor, I know how hard it is on the ground. You

  • have an incredible mayor who is doing everything you can for

  • your community, but, at the end of the day, you guys are not

  • getting the resources you need, you don't have fiscal autonomy

  • and you deserve better, our country deserves better and our

  • children deserve better.

  • (APPLAUSE)

  • . LIAM: Angela, I am sure you have

  • seen

  • the devastation austerity has done to your part of the world.

  • How high up on the agenda will be making sure that money is put

  • back into

  • the local Government and NHS. ANGELA: I feel like the whole of

  • my

  • working life I have been fighting austerity.

  • I was a home help looking after them.

  • I as a Trade Union I ended up putting people in rooms like

  • this and having to tell them that after 20 or 30 years

  • service thefr going to lose their job.

  • Let me say austerity has killed and injured the most vulnerable

  • people in this country, while they give tax breaks and support

  • to those at the top.

  • That is absolutely obscene, it is what

  • puts fire in my belly every time I am at a socialist economy,

  • because at the end of the world no one should die on a trolley

  • in this country and feel like

  • they were not good enough or they weren't worth spending more

  • time on and resources on them. That is socialism, that is what

  • we do,

  • that is what we will continue to fight for. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: So, this is on a similar theme,

  • but it's more specific, Councillor Kate

  • Walsh says currently child poverty is at

  • 40%, I know in some places in Liverpool

  • it's one in two children growing up in poverty. If a Labour

  • Government was elected how you would make sure that poverty

  • amongst the children doesn't rise and it's brought down, what

  • specific measures you would take?

  • RICHARD: Thank you very much, Kate, I want to pay train bought

  • to the work the councillors are doing in difficult

  • circumstances.

  • Child poverty is a stain on the conscious of our nation, one of

  • the richest countries in the world.

  • The question is how, as deputy leader,

  • would I ensure we combat child poverty. I don't think it's for

  • the deputy leader to be a different political pole from

  • whoever the leader is, so suffice to say this, I would

  • ensure we have a democratic party, because I know that all

  • of you fighting child poverty is one of your top priorities. If

  • we have a democratic party where members and unions make policy

  • and keep the PLP to that policy then we can ensure that whatever

  • happens in the

  • future years, tackling child poverty and

  • having a progressive socialist agenda

  • never slips from our party's agenda.

  • LIAM: There are some terrible statistics about the youngest

  • people in the country. How do we address that?

  • IAN: Well those statistics should shame us all and they are

  • heart breaking and

  • we see it as politics every single week

  • and Kate as a councillor will see it as well. Another seat we

  • lost at the election, Grimes Jones was a great fighter for

  • his community. We have to win these seat back. Firstly as

  • deputy leader I would try to make the case in the Shadow

  • Cabinet and with the new leader of the Labour Party

  • that we have a childChild Poverty Eradication Bill.

  • That Bill dictates every single thing that the Labour Government

  • does to make sure we eradicate poverty and child poverty from a

  • this country.

  • The previous Labour Government took two million children out of

  • poverty, we should celebrate that but the key thing that

  • makes that different is being in

  • Government Government, I hope we can say goodbye to child poverty

  • for good in in

  • country with the next Labour leader in number ten.

  • LIAM: You must see the impacts of child poverty in your work.

  • ROSENA: I see children coming in to A&E malnourished and

  • breathing disorders as a result of living in substandard

  • accommodation, I see them scared and a loss of hope and a rise in

  • self harming and mental health issues and in fact I

  • am proud to say I wrote to Kate, because I wrote to every single

  • Labour councillor across the country that I

  • could get an email address for to say I want to hear from you,

  • I want to work

  • with you, as deputy leader I will lead from the grassroots up

  • understanding

  • that we have incredible activists, including councillors

  • at our grass roots. It's important we look at our

  • manifesto and take our soerplist values and fight for jobs. If

  • parents have opportunities they can provide for their kids. No

  • child should have to go into school hungry like the kids in

  • my area. I am going to fight for opportunities

  • and jobs, but more importantly our kids futures depend on it,

  • we cannot take our

  • eye off the ball, not for a second.

  • LIAM: There is too many children going to school hungry, what is

  • the best way to immediately deal with that?

  • ANGELA: Well, immediately what we need do is get a Labour

  • Government as quickly as possible because I know what

  • Labour Government did for me as one of those children waiting

  • desperately to get to my free school meal.

  • That is why I was happy in my portfolio to make sure we put

  • VAT on private

  • schools and made sure every country in this country would

  • have had a free school meal. That is socialism in action. We

  • have to tackle the disgusting

  • situation and we are to highlight, the Tories think we

  • make it up when the kids

  • are lying in A&E on the floor, they think we are making it up

  • when kids are rummaging through the bin for food.

  • We have to hold the Tories to account for that and make sure

  • we get the Labour Government going forward. We have got to

  • make sure we get that SureStart Plus, all of the things we were

  • advocating in our manifesto and working class people do not want

  • hand outs, they want the means to be able to get a decent wage

  • and look after their own family and their own kids and we

  • have got to make sure we do that.

  • LIAM: Dawn, how do we get child poverty coming down.

  • DAWN: I was the minister for young citizens and youth

  • engagement and I was in Government when we pulled two

  • million children out of poverty and the Tories said we would

  • never do it and we did. When the Tories got into Government, they

  • changed the goal posts, they

  • changed how they measured it, so now we don't know how many

  • children are in poverty because they have changed how it gets

  • measured. That is what they do, they try and trick people.

  • We need to say that we are not going to accept that and we have

  • to push policies

  • like Sharon Hodgson who is chair of my campaign, Brexit club,

  • making sure we

  • have a breakfast club in the school. Sometimes it's the only

  • meal that children get.

  • Sometimes school uniforms are too expensive, we have to make

  • sure that policies like that, we are pushing the Government.

  • We can start winning the moral argument, even though we may not

  • win the

  • vote because of their stupid 80 majority.

  • LIAM: As you can imagine there was quite a lot of questions on

  • the usual of

  • anti-Semitism in my party and the moderators and I thought it

  • would be good to ask how you thought the role of deputy

  • leader could help to tackle that issue.

  • So Ian we will start with you.

  • IAN: The anti-Semitism in our party and the cancer which has

  • grown up in the party is something we should eradicate as

  • simply as possible. It's another pledge I have made if I become

  • deputy leader, I want every single case of anti-Semitism on

  • my desk every week and I want to make sure they are dealt with

  • and a zero-tolerance approach, not because we have to deal with

  • it and get it out of our party, but we very to reconnect with a

  • community that felt fearful of a Labour Government and I think

  • that is something we should reflect on seriously. As deputy

  • leader of this party I will take personal responsibility for

  • compliance and complaints to make sure

  • things are dealt with so community that felt fearful of a

  • Labour Government and I think that is something we should

  • reflect on seriously. As deputy leader of this party I will take

  • personal responsibility for compliance and complaints to

  • make sure things are dealt with so we never knock on a door and

  • you get the answer I am Jewish and I cannot vote Labour.

  • That is a disgrace and something I am determined to sort.

  • LIAM: What about your, Rosena. ROSENA: If I am elected as

  • deputy leader of the Labour Party my first major meeting

  • will be with reps from the Jewish community to start the

  • vital task of trying to rebuild the huge amount of damage that

  • needs to be repaired that we have caused with the community.

  • I am proud to have signed the board of

  • deputies 10 pledges and I am engage with JLM. I will separate

  • the complaints process from head quarts and make it independent

  • and I would get the independent team to review all cases, acting

  • swiftly and

  • expelling people who have been anti-semitic. I will put a time

  • limit on when cases need to be resolved by and I will commit

  • to adopting every recommendation proposed by the EHRC. There is

  • no room in our party for racism, I would hope that every deputy

  • leader and candidate will apologise for the Jewish

  • community for the fact that

  • they no longer feel they belong in our movement. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: Angela, how do you see your role as deputy leader in

  • dealing with this issue. ANGELA: We need action and not

  • just words. I am proud this week, actually one of the

  • legacies I was involved in from Unison is a group of our

  • activists take people over to Auschwitz from Liverpool

  • and our young people to show where anti-Semitism and racism

  • can lead to and making sure that education is there.

  • I make no apologies for being proud we have always been an

  • organisation, a movement that has been proud of our

  • anti-racist and anti-Semitism work that we have done. But we

  • have to recognise, we have to recognise that our party has

  • grown

  • substantially and there mass been anti-semites in this party

  • and we have

  • to kick them out immediately and I see my role as making sure our

  • systems, not

  • just internal, internal, externally, our systems are

  • robust enough so we can be proud of our roots as a party that

  • stands up against

  • any form of racism, anti-Semitism or

  • fascism in this

  • see my role as making sure our systems, not just internal,

  • externally, our systems are robust enough so we can be proud

  • of our roots as a party that stands up against any form of

  • racism, anti-Semitism or fascism in this country.

  • >>: The Labour Party and the socialist movement has a proud

  • record of standing

  • up against bigotry and racism. I hate racism, I suffer it every

  • day, me saying I am going to be deputy leader, I have had more

  • racism than I have had before.

  • So I hate racism and it has to be eradicated.

  • The majority of people in the Labour Party are not racist, are

  • not anti-semitic, but we do have a few and they do have to be

  • booted out of the party and what I want is a structure and system

  • that works for everyone, I want to have the debate and the

  • discussion about racism. I can have that debate about racism as

  • a black woman that suffers it every single day and I want to

  • have it and I don't want anyone to be scared about having a

  • debate about racism, because we

  • have to eradicate it, I want a system

  • that works whether you are racist,

  • homophobic or transphonetic, I want a

  • system that means that everyone gets booted out of the party

  • because there is no place for racists in our party. We have to

  • make sure we kick that out. The thing is this, the EHRC are

  • investigating us at the moment, it's nothing to be proud of. I

  • don't want to jump the gun and whatever they are going to come

  • out

  • with, so I haven't signed the ten pledges because I want the

  • EHRC report to be implemented in the party and then

  • we sit down with the board of deputies, JLM and other Jewish

  • groups and have a discussion about where we go next. I don't

  • want to rush this, it's too important to get it right and we

  • have to get it right.

  • We have to eradicate racism and we have to get it right, I don't

  • want to rush it, it has to be right. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: Richard, what about yourself?

  • RICHARD: There is no place for anti-Semitism in our party, I

  • never

  • forget when I was at school meeting a

  • survivor from Auschwitz who rolled up

  • his sleeve and showed class mates the serial number

  • from Auschwitz, that shows where hatred and anti-Semitism leads.

  • I will support the leader in fighting anti-Semitism in our

  • party and fighting anti-Semitism in society. I do believe

  • obviously in working with

  • the board in the fight against anti-submit. I have not signed

  • and won't be signing

  • the ten pledges however, because of some concerns I have. Firstly

  • I am concerned about outsourcing our complaints procedure and how

  • that would work in practice, so I think that needs clarifying,

  • but

  • secondly I want to work with the board

  • of deputies and all Jewish organisation against

  • discrimination. LIAM: Thank you, Richard.

  • RICHARD: It's a serious point that I think we do need to

  • address in detail. I am concerned that the minorities

  • within a minority, whether it be LGBT

  • Jewish people, black Jewish people, Jewish people who are a

  • religious minority within that religious minority their voice

  • need to be heard as well. We need to listen and act with the

  • whole Jewish community and finally I

  • would say this, in relation to the IHRA definition, the party

  • added in a clear statement that it wouldn't undermine freedom of

  • expression on Israel or on the right of Palestinians, so I do

  • want, if I become deputy leader, discussions with the board of

  • deputies to clarify all of those points, but of course,

  • whoever is leader will make their decision. (APPLAUSE).

  • LIAM: Okay, another issue here, this is

  • from Richard in St Helen's north PLC. A few of you have talked

  • about Steve

  • Rotherham's role here and devolution, he wants to know if

  • you would support electoral reform, constitutional reform

  • and more regional devolution.

  • Am I right we start with Rosena?

  • So electoral reform more regional devolution, are you for

  • it.

  • ROSENA: Yes I am for regional devolution, I can see the

  • benefits of what it's done in Liverpool and Manchester. I do

  • think there is a discussion about electoral reform, but I

  • don't think we can rush this.

  • There was a referendum on an alternative voting system done

  • almost a

  • decade ago, which had a really low turnout and overwhelmingly

  • people voted against it. I do think we need to look at where

  • we need to work with other parties to affect the aims that

  • we need do going forward for our community, but me personally, I

  • am not a career politician, I had no plans to be a politician

  • and when the chance came to represent my community where I

  • am born

  • and raised I threw my hat in the ring because I wanted to

  • represent my community. I want to make sure if there was any

  • form of electoral reform it took into account people who want to

  • represent their community and I would want to make sure that

  • that certainly didn't leave the conversation.

  • LIAM: Thank you. Angela, I think a lot of people don't feel

  • represented by the first past the post system, how do you feel

  • about proportional representation?

  • ANGELA: I think, first of all, my priority is around making

  • sure that devolution and Scotland and Wales don't feel

  • annexed to England and people in England don't feel like they are

  • pitched north, south, east and west as well. I think the

  • devolution and people having more control and feeling like

  • they have got more control and power within their areas is a

  • really positive

  • thing and at the moment it feels like it's being grudgingly given

  • rather than working in collaboration with our areas and

  • when we could get devolution and that power back at source we see

  • that people feel much more engaged in their politics.

  • I think votes at 16 is incredibly important, our young

  • people are engaged

  • and they should get the vote at 16 and I think our current

  • curriculum teaches kids about clonalism and empire and our

  • democracy here today.

  • That is what we need to be doing.

  • LIAM: What about yourself, more power to the regions.

  • DAWN: More power to the people every single time. Johnson is

  • going to try and suppress

  • the vote, we know that, voter ID, he is

  • not going to reduce the age, it's all about suppressing the

  • vote. We do need to talk about electoral reform. We need to

  • have a discussion about it, have a discussion about how we move

  • forward.

  • The majority of people voted for left parties, but that wasn't

  • reflected in Parliament.

  • So now that debate is long overdue, they are going to put

  • forward boundary changes. Boundary changes means we are

  • going to lose at least 30 seats. That means we could maybe never

  • get into power again if we allow them to get away with it. We

  • have to have the debate and that is why, as your deputy leader I

  • will travel around the country with my core

  • strategy, campaign, organise, recruit and educate and I will

  • make sure that this forms part of the discussion about what we

  • do and how we do it.

  • LIAM: Thank

  • you. LIAM: Do you think we need a new

  • voting system. RICHARD: I think we need toaire

  • on with the work of our system and we need to defend our

  • democracy because voter ID

  • and the rigged boundary changes are are

  • both from the republican play book. I also think that people

  • won't take us

  • seriously in relation to Democratising our society if we

  • don't Democratise further our party. I think we can't have it

  • where members and Trade Unions are the unpaid posties of the

  • Labour movement, pushing leaflets through the doors

  • without having a strong enough say about what is on the

  • leaflets. Secondly I also support open selection

  • so that members

  • members and Trade Unions can have a full and democratic say

  • and make the decision about who is their parliamentary candidate

  • in each and

  • every General Election.

  • LIAM: Ian, I guess you know about devolution.

  • IAN: I have been there, bought the

  • T-shirt, burnt the T-shirt, doused the T-shirt and put it

  • back on.

  • LIAM: Is that your daily routine?

  • IAN: Slightly larger T-shirt than usual perhaps. Governance

  • is boring we didn't join the

  • Labour movement to talk about governance but it's critical in

  • a post Brexit Britain. I want to give power directly to our

  • communities. You are right about councillors being our unpaid

  • posties for the party, the councillors need the power and

  • money and accountability and responsibility

  • because they know their communities communities best. So

  • I have made a commitment as deputy leader of the party, for

  • making sure we stop talking about what we do with the

  • constitution and we go around the country and build a proper

  • constitutional convention about how we govern in the future,

  • because our nations of the UK and more importantly the regions

  • of the UK are incredibly important to this party and if

  • we believe that the United Kingdom should stay together we

  • need to get more power out of London and Westminster and into

  • the hands of the people who know best that is in local

  • communities, so that would be at the top of that list and it's

  • the job of the deputy leader not how we organise our party but

  • it's about

  • time we reorganised our country and how we govern it. I am a big

  • fan of proportional representation we have votes for

  • 16 and 17-year-oldness Scotland, we have a different voting

  • system in Scotland and for Government and for Scottish

  • Parliament.

  • The one caution I would give is we need to find a system that

  • doesn't throw out the geographic link between the elected member

  • and the public, if we break that

  • link I think politics becomes even more

  • divorced from the public. LIAM: Can I add one question

  • myself, we talk about constitutional reform and we

  • have heard Rebecca Long-Bailey talking about removing the House

  • of Lords and we

  • heard in the Labour manifesto John McDonnell talked about

  • moving a key part of the Treasury up to the north. Would

  • you consider moving parts of

  • Government outside of London?

  • ANGELA: My head quarts is in Manchester. I think it's

  • important to move away from London and show we have a

  • presentation across, whether it's in Scotland, or in Wales

  • with our Welsh Government or in our regions with all areas. Our

  • coastal and rural areas have always felt they have not been

  • given the support they need and some of our key areas that feel

  • left behind, we can inject that positive by having a present

  • there and making sure we are much more

  • broader on that and then a lot of my

  • talent in Ashton under lime doesn't have

  • to move to London, they can a stay there and deliver for our

  • local economy and inspire people to stay local.

  • LIAM: Dawn, would you consider breaking up the Government and

  • moving pow ares to different parts of the country.

  • DAWN: We would have to look at that, I think, yes. I also think

  • now and I said this in

  • Shadow Cabinet, can we start having our Shadow Cabinet

  • meeting meetings around the country so we can go around the

  • country, spend time there so we can have discussions with you as

  • the Shadow Cabinet, let's start as we need to go

  • on, so when we are in Government it seem

  • so alien to us to be having something outside London, that

  • was something I requested and Jeremy Corbyn said it could be

  • done, so watch this space. LIAM: Richard, would you like

  • Shadow Cabinet meetings in Leeds?

  • RICHARD: That would be great on a number of levels. I would make

  • myself unpopular if I say my dream for the location of

  • Parliament itself would be halfway between Leeds

  • and Bradford because I love going down to see Dawn and

  • Rosena and I think think should have the pleasure of travelling

  • on our nationalised publicly owned railways under a Labour

  • Government up to halfway between Leeds and Bradford

  • because even when the Romans were in charge, York, of course

  • in the centre of

  • the UK was the capital, so I am nod proposing that London is not

  • the capital, but on a serious note I think it's good to hear

  • from all parts of the community and represent the working

  • class in all of its diversity and that means representing them

  • geographically as well.

  • LIAM: You can have a Toby Carvery after Shadow Cabinet?

  • Ian, do you think we need to bring more power to places like

  • Merseyside, obviously we have started to get some of the power

  • was devolution, but perhaps not the funding and other powers we

  • need.

  • IAN: It's not just about devolving accountability, it's

  • about doing something with that accountability and Merseyside

  • and Greater Manchester and Scotland and Wales show you that

  • devolution works and anyone that thinks that Parliament couldn't

  • be moved out of

  • London should try and land at London

  • City Airport in a gale force winds and you would be convinced

  • we should move it to the north. I don't want this debate to be

  • about moving Government departments and moving

  • the Treasury to Liverpool or the DWP to Newcastle, it's goat to

  • be about moving the power so you don't need the departments in

  • London at all, that is where a conventional should look at is

  • where it's best to deliver power for the people of this country,

  • because Liverpool is as far away from Westminster as the west of

  • Wales is from

  • Cardiff, as Inverness is from Edinburgh. Governments store

  • power where Parliament is so let's get the powers out

  • remember than talking about where

  • the brass plate

  • goes. ROSENA: I would like to reassure

  • Richard I spent more than my fair share of times on the

  • trains. I support a certain local football club, also my

  • husband is from a Welsh maining village in the valleys of Wales

  • so we have had our fair shares of cups of tea waiting on

  • delayed trains. Whole hearted by I would welcome any opportunity

  • to travel around the country and have meetings and have

  • departments moved, but I also believe that fundamentally the

  • power has to go back to the people. Nobody knows your

  • communities like you do, you should have a say and as your

  • deputy leader, I have already said I am going to roll up my

  • sleeves and I am going to come here more times than you care to

  • see me and I am going to ask you what matters to me, I am going

  • to take those messages, back to Manchester where it is now but I

  • do hope we move around the country. Just one more thing on

  • the house of Parliament themselves.

  • Has anyone noted that

  • Zac Goldsmith has moved from one chamber to another.

  • We need to have a look at how this works and think about what

  • happens with

  • the House of Lords going forward.

  • LIAM: Are you purposely not revealing what the local

  • football team is? Goldsmith has moved from one chamber to

  • another. We need to have a look at how this works and think

  • about what happens with the House of Lords going forward.

  • LIAM: Are you purposely not revealing what the local

  • football team is? >>: I support Liverpool, I have

  • been a lifelong supporter. I am going to own it and in the words

  • of MoSalah, being Scouse is a state of mind, so consider me

  • Scouse.

  • LIAM: I am just keeping well out of that one! So we come to our

  • closing statements, thank you so much for answering those

  • questions and thank you for submitting them so we will start

  • from the original order with is Angela, we have two minutes now,

  • exciting, look at the clock it's changed.

  • You are not going to know what to do with that time. Two

  • minutes on why you should be the deputy leader of the Labour

  • Party. ANGELA: Thank you so much for

  • sticking around this afternoon and listening to

  • the debate, I think deputy leader is

  • just as important as who we choose or or leader because they

  • will be working with the leader to transform and make sure we

  • continue on the path we started when

  • Jeremy Corbyn was elected. And you should be proud of what we

  • have achieved as a movement, you should be

  • proud of what we do and I am delighted

  • that the first hustings that we have had has been within the

  • historic city of Liverpool, where the working class

  • movement was pretty much

  • much from Trade Unions and our Labour values in everything we

  • do now. I am standing to be the next deputy leader of the Labour

  • Party because I want our socialism, that is rooted in

  • real people's lives, a socialism that understands the need of the

  • country and offers solutions, so that those that desperately need

  • it get that support.

  • If you elect me I will work to bring our party together again,

  • so that, as a movement, we can hold the Tories to account and

  • challenge the Tories cuts

  • to, privatisation and a tax on our communities.

  • As a tried union organiser most of my life I know this won't be

  • done through a top up down structures but a collective

  • socialism socialism to achieve positive changes we all need.

  • That has to come from within.

  • We don't need a rethink and we renew purpose we need to reverse

  • a long-term

  • trends that have led us to losing four consecutive General

  • Elections and convince people to join us on that journey or we

  • risk becoming irrelevant.

  • I don't ever want to feel like I did on December 12th, ever

  • again.

  • We have to face up to the harsh lessons we had on that election

  • defeat. But that is what we will do together as a collective

  • organisation and as a union rep, I work for positive change,

  • challenging injustice, it's the same

  • fundamental purpose that I have had as a Labour MP, I will fight

  • every step of the way to ensure that we continue the path that

  • we have started together so,

  • if you elect me, you will elect us to

  • win. LIAM: What about yourself, why

  • should we elect you as deputy leader?

  • DAWN: Thank you Liverpool, thank you for

  • making me an honorary Scouse bird, I will carry this around

  • with me.

  • I am a working class Trade Unionist

  • Unionist, I started work on a market stall selling bras and

  • knickers in case you are interested. I have a record of

  • winning for others,

  • but also also a record of winning for the Labour Party.

  • What I want to do is make sure we lay foundations to make sure

  • that everyone has a chance to win.

  • That means taking on the judicial system, putting in

  • place the Hillsborough law which means everyone will have fair

  • access to representation. I want to make sure we do things like

  • that.

  • I mean I won seat for Labour with a 24.81% swing, the biggest

  • in the country.

  • When it comes to unity, people may talk it, but I have walked

  • it.

  • Let me tell you you it ain't always easy, but if you are

  • committed to getting a Labour Government and getting Labour in

  • power you will do it. I am the first black woman to have spoken

  • from the despatch box, I have

  • served under two Labour Prime Ministers and I served in Jeremy

  • Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet.

  • I never have and I never will be part

  • of a coup, because divided parties do

  • not win elections. And I have been in Government, let me

  • help us get us back there again in five years time.

  • We can do it, we can get back into Government, this is a

  • grassroots campaign, my campaign is a grassroots campaign, thank

  • you to everyone that

  • came out, Dawn for deputy, get Dawn on the ballot. Thank you so

  • much. I want to discuss the democracy review,

  • I voted against the Welfare Reform Bill because we are an

  • anti-austerity party

  • and that is what Jeremy Corbyn put in

  • the manifests and let me tell you, I will not leave anyone

  • behind, we will do this together, the higher the Tories

  • build their barriers the taller we will become, so hold your

  • heads up high,

  • stand up straight, prepare for power because we

  • are going to win the election in five

  • years time with me as your deputy, let's do this.

  • (APPLAUSE). LIAM: Richard, what about

  • yourself. RICHARD: I want to start off,

  • following that one. I want to start off by thanking each and

  • every one of you from the bottom of

  • my heart for giving up your spare time

  • in all weathers to fight for a better society. I, like you, am

  • an activist, I didn't stop becoming an activist when I

  • became an MP, I didn't stop becoming an activist when I

  • became a member of the Shadow Cabinet and I won't stop being

  • an activist if I am your deputy leader. I feel the pain you did

  • when the exit poll came out at the General Election.

  • We cannot allow that ever to happen again.

  • I believe that as members you are core

  • to our movement, you are the core of our movement. I will be

  • a campaigning deputy leader, I don't think the role of deputy

  • leader

  • is to be, as I say, a mischief maker in waiting, I don't

  • believe the role of a deputy leader is to be a leader in

  • waiting I believe the role of deputy leader is to be a

  • campaigner and a

  • servant of all our movement, of all of our broad church. I back

  • our progressive policies. I fully support the two

  • manifestos, we can't throw out the baby with the bath water, we

  • can't go back to the future and think that will make everything

  • okay. I will stand up for party democracy, as I say, we can't

  • have a situation where members are treated as the unpaid

  • posties of the Labour movement.

  • Yes, please deliver leaflet, but if I am your deputy leader, I

  • will ensure that you have a greater say in the policies that

  • go on the leaflets.

  • I will also ensure

  • ensure that you will haved opportunity

  • with the unions to decide who your parliamentary candidates

  • are at each and every election and that is why I support open

  • selection. We made to reconnect with our heart lands and that is

  • where I chair a special commission on rebuilding our

  • lost support.

  • Together, as a broad church which can an achieve so much. I

  • am proud from being from the left and supporting Jeremy on

  • all occasion, I am

  • also proud of being the secretary of

  • Labour MPs as my hero, Harold Wilson set up.

  • A worried needs twowith our heart lands and that is where I

  • chair a special commission on rebuilding our lost support.

  • Together, as a broad church which can an achieve so much. I

  • am proud from being from the left and supporting Jeremy on

  • all occasion, I am also proud of being the secretary of Labour

  • MPs as my hero, Harold Wilson set up. A worried needs two

  • wings to - bird needs two wings to ply. Let's fly and learn the

  • lessons and you will succeed for our whole movement and our

  • communities together.

  • Thank

  • you. LIAM: Ian you have two minutes.

  • IAN: Thank you Liam and Liverpool. I shouldn't be here

  • today, not because of the problems with the trains but I

  • come have a housing estate in Edinburgh. I was left living

  • with my older brother

  • and my mum after after my dad passed away at the heart of

  • Thatcher's power.

  • We were brought up to be en

  • cased in Labour, and also to support midLee Lothian football

  • club, I am statistically more likely to be in jail than in

  • Parliament. The other reason I shouldn't be here is because I

  • won a seat that the Labour Party shouldn't win.

  • I am the edge only red spot in Scotland for a second time after

  • we have been

  • blown away by this nationalist populus wave.

  • I want to use that marginalist challenge to go around the

  • country, and to organise the Labour Party into everything

  • again. That needs too three things. It feeds into doing the

  • stuff around the constitution that is vitally important for

  • this party, not just for Scotland, but for all of the

  • nations and the regions, we have to get power into

  • the hands of the people that matter and out of Westminster.

  • That is why I will take up the challenge of taking personal

  • responsibility for the convention. I also want to go to

  • all of seats we won and lost and to the seats we will never win

  • and listen to you. Yes, we are in Liverpool, but we are a

  • stone's throw away from five seats we

  • have lost, we lost in Lee, how did we

  • lose the seats while Liverpool has a

  • majority of 30,000, that is what we need to do and as deputy

  • leader I will go ahead and make sure we do that.

  • I want to rid this party of any racism and anti-semitism, I will

  • take personal responsibility for that and we need to unit as

  • movement.

  • I never want to feel how I felt on the

  • 13th of December or how I felt when I was helping good

  • colleagues cleaning out their offices.

  • We need to unite and let's remove the

  • tags of these ite, we invent as a Labour

  • movement, I am not an ite I am a leader.

  • All I want is the opportunity to serve you.

  • Thank

  • you. LIAM: Last but not least,

  • Rosena.

  • ROSENA: I want unity, not just unity within the Labour Party,

  • but unity with the British people.

  • I want their hopes and ambitions to be

  • our hopes and ambitions, I want us truly to become the people's

  • party by taking forward our proposals of radical change that

  • the country wants. We have to start by showing we get it. We

  • get the struggles and sacrifices that people make every day from

  • Inverness to Ipswich and Torquay to Tyneside. My mum is from

  • Poland, my dad is from

  • Pakistan and I am proudly British.

  • So modern multicult oaralism, I get it. Discriminational racism,

  • I get it too.

  • My mum worked three jobs.

  • We were cold, we were often hungry, I failed my A-Levels

  • because I was trying

  • to work to supplement the income. Hard times I get it.

  • I grew up under Thatcher and Major kid like me were written

  • off. Then there was Labour Party. The Labour Party believed

  • in me and helped met to get to university to study

  • as a doctor aged 24 and in Government we

  • lifted 800,000 children out of poverty, the Tories have put

  • them in.

  • I still do shifts in my scrubs where I

  • show up for work and alongside the NHS.

  • Public service, I live it, I am driven by our Labour values of

  • social justice, equality, hope and even by love, love of our

  • party.

  • As a doctor I start by listening, as your deputy leader

  • I will listen, and then I will lead and support the leader

  • and yes, I will offer loyalty, yes I will serve our party with

  • the drive, the diligence and hard graft that got me out of

  • poverty and into Parliament. As an emergency doctor people trust

  • me with the lives of their loved ones.

  • I am asking you to trust me with our party as your deputy leader.

  • I will fight every day, I will listen

  • to you, I won't let you down, please give me your vote to

  • serve as your deputy leader and we will take this fight back to

  • the Tories. I believe in Labour, I believe in you and us and I

  • believe we can win,

  • Liverpool, thank

  • you. LIAM: Thank you very much, thank

  • you everyone who stayed. We are all off to the Toby Carvery, can

  • I have a round of applause for the people of Liverpool and

  • everyone who

  • came and a round of place for our candidates.

  • (APPLAUSE)

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