NEXT GUEST IS A PROFESSOR AT VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY AND A "NEW

NEXT GUEST IS A PROFESSOR AT VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY AND A "NEW

YORK TIMES" BESTSELLING AUTHOR OF OVER 20 BOOKS.

YORK TIMES』20冊以上の本のベストセラー作家。

HIS NEWEST IS "LONG TIME COMING."

彼の最新作は "LONG TIME COMING "です。

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," MICHAEL ERIC DYSON!

マイケル・エリック・ダイソンへようこそ！

PROFESSOR DYSON, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

PROFESSOR DYSON, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> いつもお会いできて嬉しいです。

>> Stephen: NOW, YOU'VE AUTHORED 20 BOOKS, AS I SAID.

>> スティーブン20冊の本を書いたんですよね？

WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS NOW, SINCE THE FIRST TIME

WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS NOW, SINCE THE FIRST TIME

I EVER INTERVIEWED TO YOU.

I EVER INTERVIEWED TO YOU.

THIS NEW BOOK "LONG TIME COMING" USES A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORM

THIS NEW BOOK "LONG TIME COMING" USES A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORM

THAT YOU'VE USED IN THE PAST.

THAT YOU'VE USED IN THE PAST.

THIS IS WRITTEN IN THE FORM OF LETTERS TO BLACK VICTIMS OF

これは黒人の被害者への手紙の形で書かれています。

POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

米国における警察の粗野性とレイシズム。

WHY DID YOU WANT TO WRITE THESE LETTERS TO THESE PEOPLE, RATHER

WHY DID YOU WANT TO WRITE THESE LETTERS TO THESE PEOPLE, RATHER

THAN ABOUT THEM?

彼らについて？

>> YES, SIR.

>> はい。

IT'S A GREAT DISTINCTION.

それは素晴らしい違いです。

I DIDN'T WANT TO FURTHER OBJECTIFY THEM.

I DIDN'T WANT TO FURTHER OBJECTIFY THEM.

I DIDN'T WANT TO EXPLOIT THEIR DEATH AS A WAY TO SELL BOOKS.

本を売るための手段として 彼らの死を利用したくなかった

I WANTED TO COMMUNE WITH THEM.

I WANTED TO COMMUNE WITH THEM.

IT'S NOT IN A LOOSEY-GOOSY ABSTRACT SENSE.

緩くてグダグダな抽象的な意味ではありません。

I MEAN LEARN FROM THEIR WISDOM, DRAW FROM THEIR RECENTLY

私は彼らの知恵から学ぶことを意味し、彼らの最近から描画します。

ANCESTRAL STATUS.

ANCESTRAL STATUS.

AND I WANTED TO SAY BY TALKING TO THEM, BY COMMUNING WITH THEM,

私は彼らと話したり、彼らとコミュニケーションをとったりして言いたかった。

I'M THINKING OUT LOUD.

大きな声で考えています。

IT'S FORCING ME TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY DIED.

彼らがどうやって死んだかを 話すことを強要されている

WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR WHICH THEY WERE KILLED?

WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR WHICH THEY WERE KILLED?

HOW DO WE STOP THE TRAIN OF INCESSANT KILLING OF BLACK

黒人の絶え間ない殺戮の連鎖を止めるには？

PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY AT THE HANDS OF COPS, BUT ALSO BY VIGILANTES?

人々、特に警官の手で、しかし、自警団の手で？

AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO DERIVE WISDOM FROM THEIR JOURNEY SO

そして、私たちは、そう彼らの旅から知恵を引き出すために何ができるでしょうか？

THAT WE CAN PREVENT OTHERS FROM SUFFERING A SIMILAR FATE.

同じような運命に陥ることを 防ぐことができます

>> Stephen: THE BOOKS, IN SOME WAYS, IS A RESPONSE TO THE

>> スティーブン：本は、ある意味では、本への応答です。

PROTESTS THIS SUMMER OVER POLICE BRUTALITY.

この夏、警察の横暴さに抗議しています。

THEY WERE MASSIVE, SOME OF THE LARGEST PROTESTS IN HISTORY, NOT

彼らは大規模で、歴史上最大の抗議行動の一部であり、そうではありませんでした。

ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES BUT AROUND THE WORLD.

アメリカだけではなく、世界中で。

OF COURSE, ONE OF THE-- ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARILESES

もちろん、アリレスの疑問の一つは...

AFTER A SOCIAL MOMENT LIKE THAT IS HOW IS THAT SUSTAINED?

そのような社会的な出来事の後、それはどのように維持されていますか？

AND HOW IS THAT TURNED INTO SOMETHING LASTING?

それをどうやって長持ちするものに変えたのか？

>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT ALL SOCIAL ORGANIZERS TRY TO FIGURE OUT--

それがすべての社会組織が 解明しようとしていることで...

HOW DO YOU TAKE A MOMENT AND MAKE IT A MOVEMENT.

どのようにしてモーメントを取り、それを動きにするか。

MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SURFACED

MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SURFACED

BECAME FAMOUS, AND THEN WAS KILLED, WHAT, 12 YEARS LATER.

有名になって12年後に殺されたのよ

IT'S NOT LONG, THE TRAJECTORY OF TRANSFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AT

IT'S NOT LONG, THE TRAJECTORY OF TRANSFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AT

YOUR DIPOSABLE.

あなたのディポサブル。

SO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS LEVERAGE THE MOMENT IN A WAY BY

あなたがしたいことは、ある方法でモーメントをレバレッジすることです。

THINKING HOW CAN WE REPLICATE WHAT WE SAW ON THE STREETS IN

街で見たものをどうやって再現するかを考える

THE CORPORATE SWEELTS?

THE CORPORATE SWEELTS?

HOW CAN WE MAKE IT WORK IN SCHOOLS?

どうすれば学校で使えるようになるのか？

HOW CAN WE MAKE IT WORK IN OUR JOBS THAT WE ENJOY EVERY DAY,

私たちが毎日楽しんでいる仕事の中で、どうすればうまくいくようになるのでしょうか。

THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER?

もう一人と話す機会は？

SO YOU WANT TO TRANSLATE THE TREMENDOUS POWER THAT WE SAW IN

SO YOU WANT TO TRANSLATE THE TREMENDOUS POWER THAT WE SAW IN

THOSE STREETS-- AND MAKE NO MISTAKE.

この道を...間違いを犯すなよ

NOT ONLY WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST HISTORIES AROUND THE GLOBE, BUT

世界最大級の歴史を持つだけでなく

WHITE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO SAW GEORGE FLOYD DIE, BECAUSE

ジョージ・フロイドが死ぬのを見た 白人の兄弟姉妹が原因で

THEY WERE AT HOME, BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC SAID, WE'VE ALL GOT TO

THEY WERE AT HOME, BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC SAID, WE'VE ALL GOT TO

BE OUR SCREENS.

BE OUR SCREENS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING, SO IT CAME ACROSS AS A VERY POWERFUL

見ていると、それは非常に強力なものとして出てきました。

MOMENT.

瞬間。

AND THEN WHITE BRO BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AMONG OTHERS, SAW THAT

その時、白人の兄弟姉妹は、他の人たちと一緒に、それを見た。

THE COVID PANDEMIC HAD ALREADY ASSAULTED BLACK BODIES.

THE COVID PANDEMIC HAD ALREADY ASSAULTED BLACK BODIES.

SO THEY WERE MORE EMPATHETIC.

感情移入が強かったのね

SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, GEORGE FLOYD GOT TO THEM IN A WAY THAT,

その結果、GEORGE FLOYDが彼らに接触したんです。

SAY, ERIC GARNER HAD NOT, IN A WAY THAT OTHER BLACK DEATHS,

エリック・ガーナーは他の黒人の死とは違っていた

WALTER SCOTT SCOTT AND MIKE BROWN HAD NOT.

ウォルター・スコット・スコットとマイク・ブラウンは、そうではなかった。

SO TAKE THIS MOMENT OF RECKONING AND USE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

だから、この瞬間を見極めて、それを機会として使用してください。

REFLECT MORE CRITICALLY UPON OUR LIVES AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN

REFLECT MORE CRITICALLY UPON OUR LIVES AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN

EXTEND IT BEYOND THE YAHOO, AND THE CELEBRATION, AND THE RIGHT

ヤーホーを超えて、セレブレーションを超えて、そして権利を拡張します。

ON TO SOMETHING DEEP AND SUSTAINED.

深くて安定したものにするために

>> Stephen: ONE OF THE RALLYING CRIES-- I WANT TO GET

>> スティーブン：叫び声の一つ、私は捕まりたい。

TO ANOTHER ONE.

別の一人に

I WANT TO GET TO "I CAN'T BREATHE" IN JUST A MOMENT.

ほんの一瞬で "I CAN'T BREATHE "に辿り着きたい。

BUT ONE OF THEM WAS DEFUND THE POLICE, CALLS TO DEFUND THE

しかし、そのうちの1つは、警察の資金をデファンドしていた、デファンドへの呼び出し。

POLICE.

POLICE.

BARACK OBAMA SAID THIS WEEK THAT DEFUND THE POLICE, HE CALLED

バラク・オバマは今週、警察に資金を提供すると言った、彼は呼んだ。

IT-- LET ME GET THIS RIGHT-- A SNAPPY SLOGAN THAT LOST A BIG

それは... 私に正しいことを教えてくれ... 大きなものを失った スナッピー・スローガン

AUDIENCE.

オーディエンス.

DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM THAT THAT-- WHILE THE ATTENTION MAY

DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM THAT THAT-- WHILE THE ATTENTION MAY

BE RIGHT, CALLING FOR DEFUNDING THE POLICE CAN TURN OFF A WIDE

正しくは警察の資金繰りを要求することで 広範囲の人々の関心を引くことができます

SWATH OF THE POPULACE?

群衆の群れ？

>> WELL, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET WITH HIM, BUT IF YOU READ

それから、私は彼に不満を持っている人を知っていますが、しかし、あなたが読んだら

THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW, THE WAY THE QUESTION WAS SET UP, HE'S

THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW, THE WAY THE QUESTION WAS SET UP, HE'S

TRYING TO ANSWER IT BASED UPON THE PRESUMPTION THAT USING THAT

それを使っているという思い込みに基づいて答えようとしています。

PHRASE WOULD ALREADY LOSE PEOPLE.

PHRASE WOULD ALREADY LOSE PEOPLE。

BUT REMEMBER THIS: MARTIN LUTHER KING JR., SAID, HEY, THE

しかし、これを覚えておいてくれマーティン・ルーサー・キングＪＲは言った、おい、

MODERATE, WHITE MINISTERS IN BIRMINGHAM WROTE ME AN OPEN

バーミンガムの穏健な白人閣僚が私に公開書を書いてくれた

LETTER, AND THEY ACCUSED ME OF BEING AN EXTREMIST.

手紙、そして彼らは私が極端な人間であると非難した。

AND HE SAID, FIRST IT GOT TO ME.

AND HE SAID, FIRST IT GOT TO ME.

BUT THEN I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE, JESUS WAS AN EXTREMIST

しかし、私は考えました、ちょっと待ってください、イエスは非凡な存在であると。

FOR LOVE.

FOR LOVE.

AMOS WAS AN EXTREMIST FOR JUSTICE.

アモスは正義のための極端な人だった。

MARTIN LUTHER FOR REFORMATION.

マーティン・ルター 改革のために

SO I GOT USED TO THAT TERM AND EMBRACED IT.

だから、その言葉に慣れてしまって、それを受け入れてしまった。

THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

IF BARACK OBAMA RIGHTLY SAYS, HEY, DO YOU WANT THE COMMERCIAL

IF BARACK OBAMA RIGHTLY SAYS, HEY, DO YOU WANT THE COMMERCIAL

OR THE PRODUCT?

OR THE PRODUCT?

DO YOU WANT TO SELL IT AND CELEBRATE IT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE

あなたは、それを販売し、それを祝うと言う、ヘイ、私たちがしたいですか？

ALL DOING IT?

みんなやってるのか？

OR DO YOU WANT TO QUIETLY MOVE UP TO THE BAR AND SAY, LOOK,

OR DO YOU WANT TO QUIETLY MOVE UP TO THE BAR AND SAY, LOOK,

THIS IS THE STUFF NANEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS THE STUFF NANEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THAT I AGREE WITH.

同意するわ

BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM-- IF YOU'RE USING YOUR PARTICULAR

BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM-- IF YOU'RE USING YOUR PARTICULAR

MOMENT, MR. OBAMA-- AND YOU HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLATFORMS IN

ちょっと待ってください オバマさん... あなたは最大のプラットフォームを持っています

THE WORLD BESIDES STEPHEN COLBERT, YOU'VE GOT THE NEXT

THE WORLD BESIDES STEPHEN COLBERT, YOU'VE GOT THE NEXT

BIGGEST ONE-- FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY, LOOK, BUT I STAND WITH

一番大きいのは... どう言えばいいのか、どう見たらいいのか...でも、私は一緒に立っている

THOSE WHO WANT TO REFORM THE POLICE.

警察を改革したい人たち

IN FACT, I STAND WITH THOSE WHO WANT TO ABOLISH SOME OF THE

実際、私は一部を廃止しようとしている人たちの立場に立ちます。

HORRIBLE PRACTICES HERE.

ここではひどい行為をしています。

ABOLITION WAS NOT A BIG THING WHITE PEOPLES LIKED IN THE

廃止は、白人が好きなことではありませんでした。

MID-INE00s IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT GUESS WHAT?

この国ではMID-INE00sだが、何だと思う？

IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

やるべきことは正しいことだった。

I BELIEVE IN BEING SELF-CRITICAL AND BEING INTROSPECTIVE.

私は自己批判的であることと、内省的であることを信じています。

USE WORDS THAT WON'T TURN PEOPLE OFF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DON'T

人を怒らせない言葉を使うが、同時に、しないでください。

USE YOUR PLATFORM TO MAKE THE VULNERABLE MORE VULNERABLE.

USE YOUR PLATFORM TO MAKE THE VULNERABLE MORE VULNERABLE.

IF, IN YOUR MODERATION, YOU ARE STRONG AGAINST THE WEAK BUT YOU

IF, IN YOUR MODERATION, YOU ARE STRONG AGAINST THE WEAK BUT YOU

ARE WEAK AGAINST THE STRONG, YOUR MODERATION IS WORSE THAN

ARE WEAK AGAINST THE STRONG, YOUR MODERATION IS WORSE THAN

EXPEDIENT.

EXPEDIENT。

IT'S COWARDLY AT THAT POINT.

その点では卑怯です。

AND WE DON'T WANT TO USE A PLATFORM TO REINFORCE THE POWER

そして、力を再強化するためのプラットフォームを使用したくない

OF THOSE WHO ALREADY ARE MIGHTY AND UNDERCUT THOSE WHO HAVE A

OF THOSE WHO ALREADY ARE MIGHTY AND UNDERCUT THOSE WHO HAVE A

REAL ISSUE HERE.

本当の問題はここにある

THE POLICE HAVE HARMED AND HURT PEOPLE FOR SO LONG, THAT MAYBE

警察は長い間 人々を傷つけ傷つけてきた それは可能性がある

REFORMATION IS NOT ENOUGH.

改革は十分ではありません。

AND LET ME SAY THIS, TOO.

これも言わせてくれ

DEFUND SIMPLY MEANS THIS-- YOU WANT TO PUT MONEY IN THE

基金は簡単に言うとこうなります - あなたはお金を投入したいのですか？

ACCOUNTS OF THOSE WHO ARE MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS SO THAT WHEN THE

メンタルヘルスの専門家である人の口座があるので、その時には

POLICE ARE CALLED, YOU CAN SEND THEM OUT.

警察が呼ばれたら、送り出せ。

SO, YEAH, FIND A DIFFERENT WORD, FIND A DIFFERENT PHRASE, BUT I

だから、違う言葉を見つけて、違う言葉のフレーズを見つけて、でも、私は

THINK OBAMA COULD STAND BEHIND THOSE WHO WANT TO FIND NEW WAYS

THINK OBAMA COULD STAND BEHIND THOSE WHO WANT TO FIND NEW WAYS

TO ENCOUNTER OLD PROBLEMS.

TO ENCOUNTER OLD PROBLEMS.

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

>> スティーブン急な休憩が必要なんだ

BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, I'LL ASK PROFESSOR DYSON WHAT GIVES HIM

でも戻ってきたらダイソン教授に聞いてみるわ

HOPE.

HOPE.

STICK AROUND.

回り込んで

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