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  • how afraid a Corona virus should we bay that well.

  • Clearly, Corona virus is a huge challenge to the country on dhe.

  • On behalf of everyone, I want to send our deepest condolences to the family into the loved ones of the patient who died today with Corona virus.

  • And I'm sure that that will be a worrying moment for lots of people on.

  • Understandably so.

  • And I feel the responsibility deeply for getting the government response to this right.

  • The government on the only people who need to respond.

  • It's actually something all of us can play a part in on dhe.

  • It's perfectly reasonable for people to be worried.

  • Now, of course, for the majority of people, if they catch Corona virus, then it'll be a mild, relatively mild disease on dhe.

  • The vast majority will fully recover.

  • And so, from that point of view, for most people, this will be something akin to getting the flu if they get it.

  • But obviously it's also having some very significant effects, both on the economy, in terms of people, how they manage their daily lives, and then for a for a small proportion of people, we estimate around 1% of those who catch it, then it is fatal.

  • And so it is a very serious consideration.

  • And the thing that makes it more difficult is that this virus, this disease, is new.

  • And that means that none of us have the natural antibodies that we have to something like a flu.

  • So it is a serious problem for the country, and all of us need to play our part and can play our part in making sure that we as a country and as a world, respond as a CZ well as we possibly can.

  • And you can ask, how worried do you I'm not personally particularly worried because I feel that I don't fall into the category where I should be majorly concerned.

  • From what I have read that it will be for the majority of us severe cold or flu like symptoms.

  • And yet a lot of what you read implies that we should almost be barricading the doors.

  • Okay, Okay, well, we're going to get into more specific things in a moment.

  • Zand.

  • How afraid should we be?

  • I think it's such a good question, Jill, because everyone I know is wondering how to react to the news that we're getting the first death today.

  • Ah, 100 cases.

  • How serious is it?

  • I guess I would say there is an urgency.

  • And the fact that Cove it is is dominating the headlines is because every single person in the UK should be changing their behavior today.

  • The most important thing is hand washing.

  • The hand washing will not reduce your chances of catching it to zero, but it will dramatically slow the spread and slowing the spread is very urgent because the number of cases doubles every few days.

  • A few days ago, we had 40 50 cases.

  • Now we have 100.

  • In a few days time, we will have 200 on that.

  • Doubling may well keep on going on as it doubles.

  • As Matt said, a small proportion of those people not necessarily the small proportion that died but maybe 5%.

  • Maybe 10% will need intensive care, or at least a high dependency unit.

  • And those beds are in short supply of the moment in the N.

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  • S as they always are.

  • And so the more we can spread things out, the more likely it is that we can provide high quality care, toe everyone that needs it and keep mortality as low as possible.

  • That's the urgency, so everyone should be invested.

  • I mean, there are things you can do.

  • You should be hygienic in terms of catching and killing, sneezes and coughs in terms of wiping surfaces.

  • I think everyone should be self monitoring.

  • And if you're concerned, even more than normal, avoiding infecting other people and then I would say I know, man, I probably don't really disagree with this.

  • I think the government has been very, very sensible of providing good quality, evidence based information.

  • Personally, I like not handshaking, not because it made in itself stop the spread enormously, but because it makes you think when you walk into a room we all just met kind of backstage on Guy wouldn't shake anyone's hand, and it made it intensely awkward, never almost suddenly talking about Corona virus.

  • I quite like that.

  • Then you start to get out the alcohol gel and think about it.

  • There's loads of other things you could do.

  • You could do a Rh kisses.

  • You can do a little hug.

  • You can do about a wave, a foot tap a knuckle bump.

  • However you want to greet people, but all of it, I like an elbow bump, but that makes people conscious of hygiene.

  • So, yeah, everyone should be invested.

  • No one should panic.

  • And sand will be demonstrating all those things once, Margaret, however, Jules, Lassie half rate would be I don't think we should be afraid.

  • But I think we should be wary and cautious on dhe and look for sound information.

  • One of things that strikes me forcibly is that this is going to illuminate all the problems we've already got in our health service, which we know is underfunded and all those things on debt will bring a lot of that home.

  • And so I think this is going to be apart from anything else.

  • Gonna be appear where people can learn about each other about what the country's problems are, what we need to do to resolve them on that are single in itself, be important.

  • But so I don't think we should go about in fear and dread.

  • But I don't think we ought to be city I Tim.

  • I noticed that all the loo roll has gone in my local supermarket.

  • So on and so is the hand jealous?

  • Well, I don't know why people have gone for the hero.

  • I don't know, want to know, But it's all gonna give her love.

  • And I'm gonna be a black market in its eye on the government's getting it about right, which is to walk this fine line between getting people ready on getting people conscious of the way they're behaving, but also not causing too much alarm, because there's always a risk that you generate so much alarmed that that actually does more damage than the virus itself.

  • At least economically.

  • We don't want our way of life to be changed forever.

  • That that's always what one is conscious about trying to avoid.

  • I want to be out to go back to shaking hands.

  • I'm not going to walk around doing that all day.

  • I want things to go back to normal as soon as possible, and therefore any short term inconvenience that we have to accept.

  • Fair enough.

  • But the goal is to keep calm, carry on, not hysterical, because that's kind of what defines Britain.

  • They Well, I think I think like you for myself.

  • I'm not actually that worried.

  • I'm young and healthy, and if I get it, there's a very good chance will be okay.

  • But I am worried for my particularly grandparent's people, who are more vulnerable people who perhaps don't have the same resilience financially as I do.

  • I've been doing a lot of work in the last few days writing to Matt, in fact, about statutory sick pay, thinking of those who have jobs on zeros, contract in the gig economy, who have toe actually think hard about?

  • Do I go to work today, or do I do the right thing for other people, which is too self isolated?

  • They have those symptoms and they've been in contact with someone and all credit to the government.

  • They've been listening, and they have now changed those rules.

  • So we are trying to all work together on this, and I think that's really important that actually, politicians at a time like this do our jobs on DDE.

  • Talk about the most vulnerable constituents that we have.

  • The other people, I really do worry about our people like the homeless on.

  • I was talking to people in the sector today who are concerned, and I say this talking to Matt.

  • They haven't had guidance about what to do for people, particularly rough sleepers.

  • And you have to think if you don't have a home, how do you self isolate?

  • And I see he's writing that down, and I hope you're going to take that back.

  • Because actually, at a time like this, we perform a really important job, which is to ask the right questions on behalf off the people that we serve on.

  • The job of the government, I think, is to respond in Listen, okay, There's a lot of very practical questions that many of you have vast.

  • So I'm gonna do kind of feel like for want of a better phrase, the quick fire round to you, Matt, if I may.

  • So a quick question and a reasonably free France.

  • I want to get in Dominions.

  • I can Jim doctors.

  • You want to kick us off with the first death today?

  • Should we now be preventing large gatherings at sports events and theaters where we're looking into the exact science off?

  • What the approach should be as the numbers grow was still in the phase where we were trying to contain this virus, but also exactly As Xan said, delaying the onset has a big benefit in terms of the impact on the N hs.

  • Actually, the more we look at the science of this particular virus, the more it is clear that the large scale events are not necessarily a cz big spreaders, as a lot of people think.

  • And the reason for that is the way that this virus transmits is through its respiratory, so through close proximity.

  • So if you'll say outdoors, then on do you have the virus?

  • Then you would still only be affecting the people near to you.

  • So the most important thing is to get the message is that people who have the virus and have the symptoms need to self isolate.

  • So following the science is absolutely at the heart of the government's response.

  • And if I just also respond to Layla's point because she was complimentary about how the government is handling this, I would also say, across party in Parliament, I've never seen Parliament respond to something like this, absolutely coming together to try to find the right scientific response to this crisis and try to bring the country together.

  • Another question from Thomas Bates.

  • How Will the government support those who self isolate due to Corona virus who are entitled statue, she said.

  • Pay such as those in zero hours contracts.

  • Thomas.

  • This is incredibly important question and we've said that people should not be penalized for doing the right thing.

  • So we will change the rules on statutory sick pay.

  • But we're also working on making sure that people who are, say, self employed or they're in an employment contract that doesn't allow them to get statutory sick pay because they don't earn the the minimum amount made because they don't do.

  • They don't work full time to make sure that they get the support they need as well.

  • Because if we financial support from the government, yes, because if we as government are asking people to self isolate, then they shouldn't be penalized for doing the right thing, which is good for them, but good for the whole community.

  • And when can we expect an announcement on that?

  • Well, the prime minister made the announcement yesterday in broad terms, and I'm working with the the D.

  • W P secretary and the business secretary to get the exact rules of that right and then they'll go through Parliament.

  • Okay, Andrew Fenton.

  • Okay, If I get thrown of ours, how should I self isolate from my family?

  • This is another incredibly important question.

  • People should try to self isolate from their families.

  • So not only go home, try not todo out, for instance, shopping.

  • Definitely don't use public transport, but within your home, you should also try to isolate.

  • Now, look, I'm the father of three Children.

  • I understand that that could be difficult.

  • And some people have caring responsibilities, but as much as possible, stay on your own, even within your own home.

  • So practice things like that Sharing bathroom kitchen.

  • Well, so long as you wash your hands and wipe down surfaces that you use, you can take these precautions on dhe.

  • Obviously, you know there are practicalities, but the the strong advice is to as much as you possibly can, even with your own within your own home.

  • If yourself isolating, keep yourself to yourself.

  • Okay, Nikola, pile.

  • Okay.

  • The media seem to help create panic buying.

  • How do we stop causing shortages caused by this?

  • Yes, we've already had a loo ral.

  • Well, there's There's absolutely no need for for individuals to go around buying more than they need.

  • And in fact, look.

  • Part of the response to this has to be else coming together.

  • We are, after all, heard it's the biology that is causing the problem on dhe.

  • And so obviously the very, very strong advice from the scientist from the medics is that people should not go about buying more than they need some.

  • The went to the supermarket today.

  • Pastor.

  • No pastor, no dry pastor.

  • It'll no toilet rolls.

  • As you said earlier, Tim, you know people are panicked by that.

  • I mean, there's no paracetamol, anything like that that you could get in the supermarkets.

  • Well, I understand that.

  • But what I'd say is that the government has supplies off the key things that are needed and within the food supply, we are absolutely confident that people will, that that that that won't be a problem there.

  • And crucially, we're working with the supermarkets to make sure that if people are self isolating, then we'll be able to get the food and supplies that they need.

  • Lui mais where Yes, as a student about, say, a levels for a place at university, what will happen if our exams a cut short by the Corona virus.

  • Well, this is This is another important one that we're doing everything we can to prevent that happening, subject to keeping people safe.

  • So the overall principle is that we we've got to first priority absolutely, is to keep people safe, and I feel that very keenly, But also we want to minimize the social, any comic disruption, hence, unlike some other countries that have done this.

  • But the scientific advice is really clear.

  • Not to Scott close schools and colleges, and the messages to schools is don't close unless you specifically have the advice from Public health England to do so on then as we come into exam season.

  • Obviously we are.

  • We're monitoring that very closely on the Education Department is doing, I think, a fantastic job in keeping the school system running.

  • But as we get to exams, we will do everything we can to allow that to proceed.

  • But But, of course, you'll understand that if if we have to take action to keep people safe, then way are prepared to do that.

  • Let's say one more for throat open toe from Oliver Carter's and what is the government doing to tackle the wait time from Corona virus tests?

  • Yes, the tests.

  • So getting the tests results back is really is really, obviously important if you're waiting for tests and I know friends of mine who who had the tests and lots of people to talk to me about it, we're getting a new tech solution in to be able to get the results back to people much quicker on.

  • We've got a lot of people on it, so I get it.

  • Andi, we're trying to make sure that happens as quickly as possible.

  • Okay, Now I'm gonna go to the audience, will think Is there anything that any of us are burning to you, lady?

  • You want to come simply to say I mean, I think now is a time more important than ever that we listen to experts on Thank goodness for experts.

  • Thank goodness for scientists on.

  • We just all have to be mindful off what we're reading on Facebook.

  • What?

  • We're reading on Twitter what we might read and certain newspapers and one lady was asking Newspapers are partly responsible for panic buying.

  • You guys have a choice.

  • You can choose to buy them or no as well.

  • If you see that they are stoking this, we have to be calm.

  • But listen to the people who actually know what they're talking about.

  • Epidemiologists, others doctors who know this stuff.

  • Andi, I know that I'm certainly going to be encouraging all my friends and family to do that.

  • I completely agree with that.

  • But I think also is really, really important that we have good communications.

  • No matter.

  • Everyone in the government, on everybody across politics is aware that there have got to be trusted voices, and people have got to be to listen to them and to be able to trust them.

  • And we also got to learn as much as we can for what's happening internationally, even if sometimes, so what not to do.

  • Okay, now undertake one.

  • Another name, question here.

  • But then do you get your hands up?

  • If there's things you want to say, because I know from all the questions I still come in when you arrived earlier on the scene, there are lot of things that you want to us.

  • But let me just go down to a Christian Patel.

  • How do you expect on already strained N hs to cope given one in 12 Energis posts are vacant on health care.

  • Professionals would need to self isolate 14 days if exposed to the virus.

  • Are you a health care worker?

  • And what's your view on this?

  • I'm I'm very worried, actually, because on the wards, on a day to day basis, we're already breaching points and I and I worry that on asymptomatic I'm patient with the virus infects towards on dhe we lose 50% or even 25% of our our work force on that.

  • I can't see how we we would be able to deliver a seif service for patients.

  • All right, Lizanne, from your experience.

  • Interesting.

  • It's such an interesting question, I suppose, and thinking about this my, my my My first instinct is to have a massive go at the Tory government the last 10 years of austerity, the fact that the n.

  • H.

  • S has been starved to cash and starved off staff and resources for so long.

  • In fact, I think this this represents such a significant burden that no matter what health service a country built, the threat of a pandemic disease will always produce diseases that will overwhelm a normal, normally functioning health service on DSO.

  • Although, although I share all your concerns about the N h s on the state of it at the moment our ability to provide the level of intensive care beds which is the main issue because we don't have a cure for Corona virus.

  • So we don't know if you come in the hospital.

  • It was poorly.

  • You're not gonna be achieving anything more than you could at home.

  • So the vast majority of people stay at home, get a box set, have some lemon and honey and convalesce.

  • If you're deteriorating and you go in the hospital, the decision is whether or not you need intensive care, things like ventilation.

  • And that is where in that sort of 5% who need that urgent care that very extreme care.

  • That is where that the lives are saved.

  • Those beds will be in a major crisis like this.

  • Those beds are not going to be just drawn from the normal pool of intensive care beds, I think, and Mac, of course, will know much, much more about this than me.

  • But they will be drawn from the major incident plans in the big catastrophe plants that drawn up at the moment.

  • So although I share your massive concerns about the future of the N.

  • H.

  • S in this particular case, I think I think the immediate resources come from elsewhere.

  • Is that is that Yeah, I think that's I think that's absolutely reasonable.

  • Look, we acknowledge that we need Maur people in the N hs.

  • There's a record number of people currently working today in the N hs, and I'm really pleased to see those numbers have been going up recently on.

  • But but But Zander's right that the challenge in the N.

  • H.

  • S at the moment is that demand has been going up on Dhe.

  • Something like this will add to that.

  • But I would say this as well, which is that that the N hs is unbelievably good at responding to crises.

  • I mean, they do it in a small way every day in all of the Chinese across the country, and it may have toe reconfigure in some ways.

  • If there's a if this does become a pandemic, that has to be clinically lead so that the doctors can decide what is the best way to save lives.

  • Andi, I will give them the absolute the freedom to make the right decisions on dhe.

  • We're also making more money available if they need it.

  • But it is less about the money.

  • It's more about how to use the resources of the nation best to support people, to get through what will be a very challenging period.

  • Lots of hands.

  • Let me come from.

  • Yes, the woman there in the blue top.

  • I don't think that's enough being done to prevent the disease coming into the country.

  • When you travel to Asia or to the Middle East at the moment your met, it airports with your temperatures taken and your symptoms are monitored on, then if you've got symptoms, you're I don't know exactly what happened, but you've certainly been recorded over.

  • The case would have been recorded in this country.

  • You arrive at Heathrow, you arrive at Gatwick, nothing is done.

  • You might be given a piece of paper saying Call 111 You get in a taxi, you go to a hotel.

  • There's no hand sanitizer anywhere in Asia and other parts of the world.

  • They're all over the place, eh?

  • So it just seems that anyone coming into this country, nothing's done at the airport.

  • So it's just going to spread because there's no prevention.

  • Let me take a few points and come back to your mouth.

  • Yes, the woman there.

  • Yes.

  • This presumably could be our new normal with climate change with increasing temperatures, new pathogens, trade and wildlife.

  • But this has been predicted for a long time.

  • On at the same time was saying that we're all mobilizing.

  • And actually, there's a lot of cross party proactive action.

  • What can we learn from this?

  • That we could apply to the larger existential problem?

  • That is climate change.

  • Okay?

  • No.

  • Yes.

  • Also social factors.

  • Very important.

  • Since the outbreak, I've seen a spike in racism on social media, public transport.

  • My friends have been marginalized on.

  • We have the attack yesterday on an Asian man.

  • Andi, I'd like to ask, what is the government doing to stop this racist rhetoric?

  • And there's also the same government that failed on the Brexit.

  • Hey, wash from the media.

  • So what you gonna do about that?

  • Okay, let me take a question from the back.

  • Yes, The man in the glasses.

  • I think we as a community can play a really big part.

  • It's not just down to the N HS and the health professionals.

  • We should be looking out for our neighbors, elderly, vulnerable people that we know we should step up and help them out as best we can.

  • I think it's really important.

  • Okay, I'm gonna come back to you about something.

  • But let me just get around the rest of the panel.

  • Tim, I'm on the point about the N hs.

  • I agree with all the point of being made, but I was unpacking what Margaret said about how this crisis is probably going to expose weaknesses that already exists.

  • In the case of the N HS, for instance, readers to my newspaper, the photograph report difficulties getting through on the 111 number difficulties getting a call back.

  • There's the question of, well, GPS be doing visits because GPS have stopped many parts of the country doing home visits for a very long time.

  • A any is already overcrowded, and then you have the problem of people being in hospitals of moment who should not be in hospitals.

  • They should be in social care.

  • It's not just a n hs problems.

  • Also a social care problem, and listening to all the agreement on the panel, it's fantastic.

  • But as a lady in the audience suggested, I'm rather intrigued as to why we don't Seymour of this.

  • Surely there are some problems in our society, which are indeed nonpartisan, and you'll be nice to hear this kind of tone and this kind of working together.

  • If only we could have this blitz spirit when it came to the environment for our schools or our hospitals.

  • Theo, Theo, Theo.

  • Original Question.

  • How do you expect an already strained any Chester Cope given one and 12 N hs posts are vacant and health care professionals would need to self isolate for a fortnight of exposed original question.

  • Well, I think one of the other things that all of this is going to do, first of all, is going to make us look at other things, not just the health service, which most of us tend to think of.

  • US hospitals and GP.

  • But it was raised in the house yesterday and in the same constructive tone.

  • But we don't yet know what the public health budget is or if there's going to be much of a change, much for an improvement in the public health.

  • But local authorities, particularly if this gets worse, local authorities going to be asked to play a heroic role.

  • They already have great responsibilities for social care, which they are struggling to fulfill.

  • So to me, one of the things that ought to come out of all of this is for us to recognize a fresh the need for long term, sustained investment, and that goes directly back to the point the lady raised about climate change.

  • The answer to all of this is to have proper long term planning, whether it's for floods or for fevers.

  • We've got to recognize the challenges of our society and our world and plan and prepare for them on a consistent and thorough basis.

  • Taking all the scientific advice along the way links.

  • I completely agree with what Margaret's just said, and I think on Tim's point about adult social care, I think there is a lot of goodwill in the House and across parties to work on this.

  • But it is a conservative majority government with a big majority on during the election.

  • I remember Boris Johnson saying that within the 1st 100 days he would convene a cross party commission to look at this intractable problem and to help us find a solution.

  • It's day 84 today and we still haven't seen that.

  • So I guess my plane would be to the government while you need to show some leadership because that is how governments work.

  • The government's produce this stuff and then Parliament will engage with it.

  • But the government has to initiate it.

  • And I really hope that we will get on and solve some of these big issues because it can't wait any longer.

  • Do you want answered the questions?

  • That problem in this building?

  • I mean, the lady over there was talking about people coming into the country, for example.

  • Well, yes, I'll answer as many as I can.

  • I agree on the point on social Cam, we will fulfill that manifesto commitment, the the point about people coming into the country.

  • I've been else about this a lot, and the thing is that if this virus becomes established around the world, then there is no way of stopping it getting to Britain eventually.

  • So the decision that we had was do you try toe shut ourselves off of the nation on delay it.

  • And if it does go pandemic in the rest of the world, it is inevitable that it would come here.

  • Or do you try to keep as much normal life as possible and tackle it by finding those who do come into the country and are then symptomatic?

  • So you rightly got a leaflet saying that if you got a symptom, you would you should call 111 And if you've got a symptom, no doubt you would have called 111 and lots of people did.

  • And that's how we found many of the cases.

  • There was one country in Europe that chose to stop the flights on.

  • That was Italy, and they became the European epicenter of this of this epidemic and in a way that really demonstrated to me how we must follow the science.

  • You know, there are of course, there are pressures on Me too, do things that people that feel intuitively that they're right.

  • And I totally understand where you're coming from on this.

  • But we've got to follow the science on the epidemiology on our chief medical Officer, I want to have a shout out to Chris Witty, absolutely brilliant scientist.

  • He is in the voice of calm reason.

  • He is one of the most experienced epidemiologists in the world, and he said to me, Look, we could if we stop the flights with all the consequences that brings it would only delay the arrival of this disease here by a matter of days.

  • But it would also make it much harder for us to get the medicines into this country that we need because many of them are produced abroad, also taking people's temperatures checking the temperature doesn't have on effect, and the reason is you get loads of false positives.

  • You get lots of people who have a temperature, and it's not for Corona virus.

  • And so you end up spending.

  • Huge amounts of resources are not spotting the people and the Americans tried, tried checking temperatures It may have.

  • Roy reassured people it has had no impact on the spread of the virus.

  • There on the Italians also did the temperature checking.

  • So So I hear all these things and instinctively I agree with many of them.

  • It's a bit like the point about the mass gatherings.

  • I understand why it seems intuitive that that's the right thing to do.

  • But the judgment that I made with the prime Minister right at the start of this is we're going to listen very hard to the scientists were going to think our way through this problem as a country, and we're gonna try to have the very best possible response.

  • Despite the pressures on then it's incumbent on us to explain why.

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