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>> WE HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED.
IT WAS MY IDEA.
WHEN I HEARD VERY SIMPLY THEY
KILLED ONE OF OUR SOLDIERS, 12
OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE I SAID
THERE IS NO WAY I'M MEETINGS ON
THAT BASIS, THERE IS NO WAY OF
MEETING.
THEY'RE DEAD AS FAR AS I'M
CONCERNED.
BRIAN: THAT IS THE PRESIDENT
YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT WHY HE
CUT OFF THE CAMP DAVID TALKS
WITH THE TALIBAN AND THE SITTING
GOVERNMENT.
SITTING WITH US IS SOMEBODY THAT
HAS SEEN IT ALL, LIVED IT ALL,
FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE UNDER
GEORGE W. BUSH, AUTHOR OF THE
ECONOMICS.
BETTER WORLD, CHOICES TO END THE
COLD WAR, TO CREATE A GLOBAL
COMMONWEALTH.
I THINK WAS A ALMOST A SIMPLER
TIME, MISS SECRETARY.
>> SEEMS LIKE IT.
BRIAN: DO YOU THINK THE
PRESIDENT MADE A GOOD MOVE TO
INVITATION TO CAMP DAVID NUMBER
ONE AND CANCELING TO THE
CONFERENCE, NUMBER TWO?
>> LET ME SPEAK TO THE CANCELING
OF THE CONFERENCE.
IT WAS A GOOD DECISION.
I AM FRANKLY RELIEVED.
ALL THE SIGNS WERE THAT THE
TALIBAN WAS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT AN
AGREEMENT ACCEPTABLE TO US.
THE SIGNS WERE THEY WOULDN'T
EVEN STALK TO THE AFGHAN
GOVERNMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN OUR
PARTNER, DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED
GOVERNMENT FOR DECADE 1/2.
THEY WOULD NOT MAKE GUARANTIES
NOT HAVING TERRORISTS COME BACK
ON THEIR TERRITORY.
WE REALLY CAN'T SIGN AN
AGREEMENT THAT WILL UNDO ALL OF
THE FINES OVER THE LAST 18
YEARS.
SO I WAS RELIEVED, AS TO CAMP
DAVID I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY
CHOSEN ANOTHER VENUE,
PARTICULARLY THIS WEEK AS WE
LOOK TOMORROW TO THE ANNIVERSARY
OF 9/11.
IT IS NOT THAT CAMP DAVID IS IN
SOME SENSE SACRED IN THAT WAY.
PLO WAS PROBABLY A TERRORIST
ORGANIZATION WHEN ARAFAT WENT
THERE BUT THE TIMING WASN'T
IDEAL.
LISA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL DIPLOMACY
APPROACH, WILLINGNESS TO SIT
DOWN WITH THE TALIBAN?
>> IF IN FACT LOOKED LIKE THERE
WAS A GOOD DEAL TO CLOSE, ALL
WARS HAVE TO END AND PRESIDENTS
HAVE TO BE END THEM.
I NEVER-MINDED THE PRESIDENT HAS
TO DO PERSONAL DIPLOMACY.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS
WELL-PREPARED.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES TO GO IN,
SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN.
LISA: IS IT WELL-PREPARED?
>> LOOKS TO ME IF THIS ONE WAS
NOT QUITE THERE.
I KNOW HIM VERY WELL.
HE WORKED FOR ME.
HE IS A CAPABLE NEGOTIATOR.
BRIAN: BORN IN AFGHANISTAN.
>> BORN IN AFGHANISTAN.
KNOWS THE CULTURE, BUT SEEMS TO
ME HAD KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE TASK
AT THIS POINT TO TRY TO FIND AN
AGREEMENT THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO
US.
THE TALIBAN I ALSO THINK HAD
BEGUN TO THINK WE WANTED AN
AGREEMENT MORE THAN THEY DID
BECAUSE OF ALL THAT HAS BEEN
SAID, NOT JUST IN THIS
ADMINISTRATION ABOUT PULLING OUT
TROOPS, REMEMBER THE PULLING OUT
TROOPS GOES BACK TO THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION AND SO THEY HAVE
KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME AMERICA
WANTS TO END THIS WAR.
I THINK THEY THOUGHT WE WOULD
END IT ON ANY TERMS.
STEVE: ABSOLUTELY.
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
RIGHT NOW.
YOU IN YOUR NEW BOOK, TO BUILD A
BETTER WORLD, LOOK BACK AT THE
COLD WAR, THE LAST 40 YEARS OF,
WHAT IS THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FOR
YOU IN DESCRIBING WHAT YOU HAVE
TAB KELED HERE?
>> THE MAIN TAKEAWAY IS ONE I
THINK RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE
LOOKING AT IN AFGHANISTAN.
IN ORDER TO BRING THAT BETTER
WORLD ABOUT IN 1989, '90s, 91,
GERMANY WILL BE UNIFIED 30 YEARS
NEXT YEAR.
WE HAD TO BE PATIENT, RESILIENT.
THEY STAYED IN EUROPE FROM 1945,
FOR 45 YEARS UNTIL GERMANY WAS
UNIFIED.
WE HAVE BEEN IN KOREA SINCE 1953
TO MAKE SURE THAT KOREA AND THE
KOREAN PENINSULA STAYS PEACEFUL.
I THINK THE REAL LESSON OF THIS
BOOK YOU CAN HAVE GREAT
DIPLOMACY WHICH WE DID AT THE
END OF COLD WAR WITH
GEORGE H.W. BUSH AND BRENT
SCOWCROFT AND JIM BAKER HELMUT
KOHL.
>> AND THE GERMANS WHICH WERE SO
EXTRAORDINARY.
IT WAS A BASIS OF FRIENDSHIP,
ALLIANCE, 45 YEARS AND AMERICAN
STEADFASTNESS, WILLING TO STAY
THE COURSE UNTIL THE TERMS WERE
RIGHT.
THAT'S A LESSON FOR ANY DIPLOMAT
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