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  • Hello and welcome to another recruitment grapevine.

  • Webinar.

  • I'm joined today by Luise Rainer, CEO of number Mill is going to talk through.

  • Well, thanks.

  • Current mess.

  • The public sector in in preparation touted.

  • Roll out to the private sector.

  • So without any further ado I give to you hand over two weeks, he's going to start us off.

  • With where on earth have 35.

  • Okay.

  • Well, thank you.

  • So I just have a briefing on the hood of number.

  • Mill Consulting are We are a firm of chartered accountants.

  • We specialize in taxation for contractors, particularly on Guy R 35 were also partnered with a legal provider called Account Tax on Dhe.

  • Since January 2017 we've done we've worked with some 80 organizations, uh, with regard to our 35 so consulting for them undertaking, um, technical reviews, working practice reviews, that type of thing.

  • And since January this year, we've done over 1100 working practice reviews of predominantly in the public sector.

  • So we've got quite a lot of evidence and case study information which might be of interest to die.

  • So let's have a little think about where I 35 came from will have a pole.

  • Now, are you ready for that?

  • Who It should be opinion screens.

  • Now.

  • You can see before we get into the history of where I are 35 came from and incredulous 1999 press release in which it was announced on.

  • We'd like to know.

  • Have you engaged in i r 35 specialists yet?

  • So that's yes.

  • No.

  • And I intend to.

  • So we'll give you a few more seconds.

  • I can see about 2/3 of you voted already.

  • So have you engaged on I r 35 Specialist?

  • Yes.

  • No.

  • Or I intend to can see most of you voted now.

  • So I will share the results on your screen.

  • So that Louise is that only about 70 75% of the audience haven't engaged in our 34 specialist.

  • About 20% half, 10% into this kind of what you expected.

  • Um, yes, because it's early days in the private sector.

  • I'm I think it needs to be more on the intend Thio.

  • Definitely, but yes.

  • People attending to leave it to the last minute potentially because they think it's not going to happen.

  • Based on my experience.

  • This will happen.

  • 1999 I 35 was introduced and the reason why I hate you Marty introduced It was predominantly because they were looking for our force, a disguised employees.

  • They believe that some contractors were getting some tax relief that they shouldn't have been getting.

  • I think what HMRC have forgotten is that contractors are the lifeblood of the flexible workforce.

  • Andi actually having a small tax break and it is a very small tax break.

  • Actually, these days on, the level of dividend isn't isn't particularly great anymore than the level of expenses that can be claimed again is restricted to whole holy just business purposes.

  • So actually, the tax break isn't particularly fantastic anyway.

  • So, yes, it's about understanding what drives the flexible workforce and makes him entrepreneurial ship in the U.

  • K.

  • Which is really important to the UK Tick s o.

  • I think it was quite quite disappointed on I think I'm The reality is Philip Hammond has taken an easy break there by the success of the I 35 cases wasn't particularly good.

  • There's some only since 1999 about 30 cases for 5 35 So the tax collection system.

  • Morning it.

  • I wasn't particularly good.

  • So Philip Hammond it's quite clever in introducing an extension to the reforms.

  • It's not changed.

  • It's just an extension to the reforms.

  • Moving the liability up the chain to thievy payer making the feed Pam reliable on what that does is is that means the collection system has put the onus on the liability up the supply chain on.

  • That's where the nervous is come from on.

  • And the reason why I said that I believe it will happen in the private sector is it's been particularly effective on the tax collection system.

  • They thought it would collect about 500 million, and so far they've collected over 700 million.

  • So it's been very, very successful in the public sector.

  • Everybody agrees that it's easier to control in the public sector.

  • However, the appetite will be there to push it through.

  • So just to remind ourselves what's the difference?

  • What was the legislation done actually hasn't done anything.

  • The law in the case law surrounding I are 35 has not changed at all it has done is it's extended it up the supply chain, making the feet pay liable Andi, the person who makes the decision with regard to the I 35 at the end.

  • Higher up position.

  • They have a responsibility of due care to make that decision.

  • So the case law itself hasn't actually changed.

  • What's interesting as well is that the SS told hate Marcie are have been using for the last couple of years has indeed found to be flawed.

  • It does.

  • It doesn't focus on many of the tests.

  • The actual case Lord tests on dhe.

  • When we run, uh, cases through it, we find it to be flawed, so it's not sophisticated enough as it is.

  • I I'm more actively working with HMRC to improve the tool on.

  • I was with them only last week on there, you know?

  • So the fact that there talking about adding a mutuality of obligation, for example, it is basically admitting that that part of the testing isn't in there enough degree.

  • So the sex tool itself is found to be flawed.

  • So let's go back to the I.

  • R.

  • 35.

  • Legislation itself is based on three pieces of case law substitution personal service.

  • Does the individual have to provide the service themselves, organs I send somebody else in their place.

  • The second area of case no testing is to do with control on the manner in which somebody is control.

  • Are they told what to do on how to do it?

  • What do they use their own skill and professionalism in undertaking that work on the third test is something called mutuality of obligation.

  • Do you have to give me the work on?

  • Do I have to take that work?

  • So, for example, if a contractor is asked to work on Christmas Eve when he wants to work, go to the pantomime with his family, he can quite happily say No.

  • I don't want to work on Christmas Eve or as if he was an employee on he was rostered to work on Christmas Eve.

  • Many would have to work on Christmas Eve a fundamental difference.

  • So three fundamental case lord tests on in the case of Montgomery and Johnson Underwood that focuses on whether the secretary, in the particular case was an employee on the judge deemed that in order to be an employee, all three tests needed to be met.

  • So if I only one of the three test is met mutuality of obligation control of substitution.

  • Then I are 35 is passed on.

  • The contractor isn't an employee, so this is what we need to remember.

  • Only one of the tests need to be passed.

  • So on that basis, mutuality of obligation, flexible workers in most cases will pass that test and therefore cannot be deemed to be an employee.

  • Let's have a look at mutuality of obligation in a bit of a great greater degree.

  • In the case of Carmichael, Bi national power mutuality of obligation was tested.

  • This was a group of tour guides on In this instance, the particular court tour guide didn't turn up a number of times on.

  • It was said that clearly this was not an employee relationship, as there was no obligation to provide.

  • Service is much similar to the case that I mentioned with regard to turning up on Christmas Eve.

  • Substitution is one of the heavily relied on tests that their hate Marcie says to looks at, and in the case of expressing echo substitution was tested.

  • The contractor was a delivery driver who drove a company van on war uniforms.

  • However, it explicitly stated in the contract, if he's unable to do the work.

  • He must sup supply someone else instead to do it.

  • It was specifically stated in the contract, even though the chap war a uniform and had a company van, it was found that he was able to provide a substitute.

  • Now, one area of testing, which is very important, is the matter of control.

  • And in the case of ready mixed contra concrete, the matter of control was considered in great depth.

  • Control is to be considered with all all aspects to be sufficient to Thio design.

  • Where the one party is the master on one party is the servant is if this is clearly defined in the contract.

  • No need to look no further than the contract is key.

  • In this case, this was a group of hauliers who are engaged on they had a company logo on their vehicles war.

  • The company uniform on the vehicle could only be used by this particular company.

  • So everybody would say the's individuals were caught by our 35.

  • However, they they were in control of how much mileage that they did.

  • They're in control of how they managed their whole on the efficiency over that a piece of work that they did.

  • They were seen to be using their own skill and professionalism on.

  • Furthermore, the contract itself was very clear that this was a contract for service.

  • I know our contract off service.

  • There was no master servant relationship on, therefore, no employment relationship.

  • They were deemed to be small businessmen.

  • So, as you can see, there were three tests.

  • Substitution control, mutuality of obligation.

  • And only one of these tests needs to be prison in order to not be caught by our 35.

  • It's complex in 2012 on, um, the end.

  • I'm moving.

  • You introduced something Try on dhe make the effect is effective in the survive 35.

  • Even greater on they introduce something called the business entity.

  • Tests on this is very similar, I think to the Sistol in that it was ah Siri's of tests that were weighted on, looked at particular areas off business relationship, looked at risks and rewards.

  • It looked her employment rights.

  • It looked at pensions, holiday pay, longevity of service, client risk repair, own expense billing, having accountants, business planning.

  • Did they have their own premises?

  • Did they have their own equipment?

  • Did they have business cards?

  • Were they able to provide substitutes so similar, though not based on case law in 2015 these indicators were deemed to be confusing on were removed very, very similar to the sex situation that we have today.

  • However, back in 2012 we were told that no such testing would be introduced.

  • Yeah, so we recently had a case with Lorraine Kelly.

  • She won her are 35 case to the tune of £1.2 million.

  • This was a very high profile case for the Inland revenue.

  • I'm one that particularly focused on control.

  • I had a look at the document itself is about 45 pages.

  • I'm is quite interesting.

  • Um, the rain.

  • One of the particular points that they focused on the hatred Monty focused on was the fact that she had her own dresses had stylists on.

  • They suggested to her that the stylist told her what to where, she replied, very clearly, they don't tell me what just where they suggest what might be fashionable or stylish for me to wear what's on trend.

  • I decide what to wear.

  • They suggested to her that she had researchers and the researchers told her what she should present, she said.

  • Indeed, I take advice from the researchers.

  • I use their information, but I do not.

  • They do not tell me what to present.

  • Ultimately, the case was one on the fact that the rancor he was not deemed to be controlled on the level the evidence of control was far less than Hmrc had implied.

  • This has definitely been a great success case for those at my 35 contractors.

  • So let's remind ourselves, I 35 focusing on the life blood off the flexible workforce introduced in 1999.

  • But the case law has not changed.

  • It's merely been extended contractors.

  • They're not tax evaders, and I think, to go into the exercise that contractors are tax evaders.

  • In local cases, they do pay for taxation.

  • They use accountants.

  • The invoice eso it be pretty difficult for them to be tax evaders.

  • It seems the wrong approach to take and think about it.

  • What does it do to somebody who's on £200 a day?

  • The actual take home pay difference potentially depends on what type of model that they put on, but when compared to something like Umbrella or P A Y E.

  • Take home pay on an annual basis could be reduced by about £8000 on somebody on £300 a day.

  • The impact on them would be circuit £10,000 so these are significant sums of money.

  • So when assessing your workforce is to whether they do meet the requirements of our 35 or no, it's pretty important that you understand the impact is gonna have on their take home pay.

  • Or indeed, if you use an agency in the supply tae the in the supply chain, the impact is goingto have on the invoicing that they undertake on the charge rates to you.

  • So let's have a look at the contractual chain, the typical contractual chain.

  • So the public sector.

  • Or if it's the private sector coming in April 2020 the inclined took the top of the chain typically may have an agency in the middle, the personal service company and then the worker.

  • Let's remind ourselves of where the liability sick.

  • So since 1999 the liability is always sat with a worker, and it continues to to die.

  • So if Hmrc wish to address that worker on asked him why in which they have a limited company and they're getting the benefits of dividend or taking their salary at the tax free, fresh hold.

  • Then he needs to be able to explain that he's happy that he meets the requirements of I 35 that's been the same since 1999.

  • As I said, the legislation has been extended on.

  • The liability has been extended up the chain to the fee pair on the fee paying, maybe the agency in the middle, or it may be the public sector or, in April 2020 the private sector end client.

  • So the responsibility on the liability for if taxes are collected in the right way will shit with the feet pair ultimately higher up the chain.

  • Potentially, if an agency is involved, it's higher up the changes.

  • Thean Klein, who does have a decision, a duty of care to make a decision as to whether that individual is called or not caught by i r.

  • 35.

  • So do the fee pyres or the decision makers have the skill, the legal understanding, the financial impact on awareness of what this is going to do or the employment status understanding in order to make that decision very unlikely.

  • And all the fee bears a reliable for that, able to make that decision to take on that responsibility again.

  • It's pretty difficult chore.

  • Let's look at some assessments that we've undertaken.

  • We two of this particular sample.

  • There was 1120 assessments that we undertook, of which 87% which is a very high number who actually passed.

  • The I 35 assessment on this was using a strengthened tool, uh, where the waiting on substitution was increased.

  • The waiting on mutuality of obligation was lessened on the waiting on control.

  • I looked at in a wider view, but in our opinion are 87% of the 1120 that we assessed actually did pass the I 35 tests.

  • What was interesting about those particular test is that more than half of them were by the public sector, given a 52% court assessment, meaning that they were no where were no allowed toe work of either limited company on DDE had to be taken onto some other type of payment method.

  • Uh, generally it BP I wiII employment or in most cases, umbrella.

  • So 52% off the 87% given blanket assessments.

  • So somebody's getting it wrong.

  • So what did this do?

  • This cause huge chaos, complete disorder and confusion.

  • The contractors themselves during the run up to the public sector changes.

  • Brendan Oil doesn't affect me.

  • My accountant says I'm okay.

  • Well, very often.

  • High Street accountants on Tire 35 specialists at all The deal with all types of businesses dentists, shops, business to business.

  • But not particularly I are 35.

  • So very often, even if the accountant said that the contractor was happy to be IA 35 met the requirements of our 35 where he didn't understand what Actually, it wasn't his decision to make.

  • It was going to affect the fee pair on the entire earth.

  • Some contractors realized the impact it was going to make on their on their rate of pay and their take home pay.

  • So they demanded a very early on an increase in there, right on some of them left with their feet.

  • We saw massive with a lot of things in the press about low comms, medical low comms walking out.

  • We saw transport for London signalman stating that if they weren't going to be paid in the flexible way as limited companies going forward, then that I would no longer work transport for London.

  • And there was a big case all over the press about how transport for London changed their stance on blanket reviews.

  • Some contractors who perhaps shouldn't have bean contracting in this way accepted it and said, I'm stuffed.

  • It's a fair cop.

  • Some accepted it but weren't happy with it.

  • So we ended up with tribunals, the argument being If I don't have employment rights, why should I be?

  • Taxes and employees?

  • I've been working with a number of clients at the moment where they have had some tribunals or some threats of tribunals, and they've had to rethink their approach to their blanket assessments.

  • Um, yeah, we're seeing this throughout the public sector over the last two years, a change in stance.

  • So where blanket assessments have been undertaken Initially, the impact has been contractors walking out, contractors feeling disgruntled tribunals and that and that type of thing.

  • So we're seeing a change in the way in which workers are being treated some contractors were too worried to push on felt that they would lose their contract, which doesn't seem to fare so in the supply chain in the public sector thus far.

  • What did we see?

  • We saw a mass transfer into umbrella a toe.

  • The line.

  • I think in the public sector it's a case.

  • There's a lot more control over what goes on in the public sector.

  • Ah, nde es Oh, it was quite easy for them to dictate that it's much more easy solution to just state that everybody has got to be paid through a P a.

  • Y E option on the umbrella option is a is a very good one in terms of is a P I wiII employment model sometimes resort with right increases and sometimes we sought it, saw it without rate increases.

  • Another example of rate increases.

  • I saw where group of paramedics where, in order to make their take home pay as good as it previously previously was.

  • In the public sector, we saw them promoted to a higher grade so that added significant cost into the supply chain.

  • In other areas, we see gross payments just continuing to be made on the entire is and the feet pairs happy to take that risk.

  • In some cases, we've seen the use of aggressive tax models, offshore arrangements, E B.

  • T s and trusts loan charge arrangements.

  • And everybody is aware off the impact of lone charges and the significant bills that contractors have been receiving this particular area.

  • Steam seems to have gained, uh, Maur momentum on.

  • We're seeing the reemergence of those types of tak, not tax models in the supply chain.

  • So when engaging with intermediaries in the supply chain, it's really important.

  • You're very careful that you understand that particularly with the Criminal Finance Act, where you do have a responsibility to be to ensure that taxes are deducted in the right way throughout your supply chain.

  • You can't just put push the the liability down the chain on, not take ownership for it.

  • We've seen lots of in house assessments being undertaken by managers who've had brief in short training on I 35.

  • I'm very often I've seen incorrect assessment's been undertaken.

  • This could result result in contract is being very unhappy, and leaving it could result in tribunals.

  • Um, and on the whole, it's ah cost cutting exercise that results in in the wrong result.

  • In the long term, we have seen massive amounts of blanket reviews, but we've also seen them being unraveled.

  • And the good cases we've seen are 35 technical specialists being engaged on reviews of contracts being undertaken.

  • Reviews of working practices being undertaken on good communication going on throughout the supply chain.

  • We've also seen the introduction of the feet payer model on this is where technical specialists who are comfortable with undertaking the assessment take on the contractual liability of the fee pair on.

  • Those companies that do that do that only if they're highly skilled in undertaking those assessments because it's a very, very big liability to take.

  • So what?

  • What has happened?

  • Well, since we we did an analysis off those those assessments that were previously taken place back in the public sector, we saw that about 37% of them were switched to umbrella or a number of the type service.

  • We saw a large volume leaving the public sector even leaving to go abroad or moving into the private sector 29%.

  • We saw about 20% negotiating increases in their rate or the agency gaining an increase in the right.

  • So the conclusion is that the story has been going on for two years and continues to unfold.

  • It's resulted in contractor shortages, is resulted in increased costs in the supply chain.

  • Unfortunately, it's resulted in a black market for contractors in a very unlevel playing field.

  • It's been a great deal of disgruntlement and tribunals, and there's been an increased use of aggressive tax games and there has been definitely an increase in the use of umbrella service is.

  • So the message is in April 2020.

  • The consultation is live.

  • At the moment.

  • The chances are this legislation will be extended into the private sector.

  • There was some small tweaks to it, um, to do with the size.

  • Ah, but particularly any larger organization, this will affect their supply chain.

  • I'd be very surprised if this doesn't come in.

  • The law is likely to come in at the last minute.

  • Having worked with H.

  • Marcie last week on the Sesto, all I'd be very surprised if their final I settle won't be available until earlier than March either.

  • So you still which makes it very difficult.

  • But you still need to get ready are not leave things to the last minute, huh?

  • The, uh, there will be a lot of usage off umbrella.

  • The trouble with umbrella is littered with, uh, intermediaries who aren't compliant, and taxes aren't being paid properly.

  • So the only thing I could recommend there is that you make sure that the umbrella that you engage in your supply chain is an SCS a accredited umbrella.

  • Are these independently audited?

  • And the files past the hate to Marcie's.

  • They will give you the supply chain protection that you need if you choose to use umbrella alive.

  • Case study that I am of some experience off having worked and discussed with HR Director a transport for London after their embarrassing situation where they had to withdraw their blanket assessments, he would recommend that you prepare early.

  • You take expert advice for my 35 specialists.

  • Don't make blanket decisions, discuss the situation with your customers.

  • And that's the young client.

  • The entire supply chain on dhe.

  • Your contract is a swell.

  • One thing to do is group the contractors and decide which contracted the critical.

  • Because those contract contractors that critical are really going to need you to make sure that their assessments all right, otherwise they could hold you to ransom.

  • So it's very important to understand the financial impact, the commercial impact on your clients and your contractors on the entire supply chain.

  • Let's go back hopes and she'll have a pole.

  • So you should get to see on your screen.

  • Now asking are utilizing umbrella service is in your supply chain.

  • That's a yes.

  • No, or I intend to.

  • Andi.

  • So I'll leave that up for another few seconds.

  • I could see most of you have already voted.

  • So are you utilizing Umbrella service is in your supply chain?

  • Yes.

  • No, where I intend to.

  • So we could see that that most already are on that continuing to do so with seven in 10 of the audience today, about 25%.

  • No.

  • And then 1%.

  • I intend Thio.

  • What does a show?

  • Us Louise Well, even is a huge amount of unburned already.

  • What I am eyes is what we saw in the public sector was a huge swing out of personal service company in tow Umbrella.

  • Um, this implies there's a hugely usage of umbrella already, but that I know for a fact that, yes, there is a huge usage, but there's a great deal of Piercy usage.

  • So of where maybe the question hasn't been put in the right way.

  • Uh, maybe all they used, whether using personal service companies, will they switch into umbrella perhaps up.

  • But the question wasn't Freddy's quite correctly maybe, but yeah, umbrella is definitely a good solution for this one of the solutions, Not the only solution.

  • Um, and all I can say is make sure that you're working with compliant providers.

  • There is the feet pair a solution, the fee per solution.

  • So let's not forget that because it is definitely worth 11 worth considering.

  • Come on.

  • This is where the, uh, the feet pair is inserted into the contractual chain on the liability itself is taken by that feed.

  • Pale s O is contractually in the chain.

  • Be be careful off assessors who say they'll take indemnification or insurance out.

  • That's not really what you want.

  • What you want is a fee pair contractually inserted into the chain so that they become the fee pair legally.

  • So if hmrc come to you in the supply chain and say OK, you've paid it paid these contractors in the pier.

  • See, Gross.

  • Therefore, we won't understand why you've done that.

  • You need to be able to say no.

  • We're not the fee pair.

  • So, contractually, you need to be not the pity power.

  • So these solutions do work provided you meet the requirements of I 35.

  • Don't get me wrong.

  • The feed power would be foolish if they insert themselves into the contractual chain and don't do the assessment in the right way.

  • But if they do thistles a very good way for the supply chain to remove that liability and that stress from themselves.

  • So certainly one worth considering.

  • So I don't leave it to the last minute on communication throughout your supply chain is absolutely key.

  • So the alternative approaches.

  • Then consider careful individual assessment, not blanket assessment calculators.

  • Be aware of the impact this has on the commercial financial chain the impact that has on pay the remuneration on the rights off off contractors.

  • The take home pay impact is going to be very important.

  • If you're gonna have technical reviews, undertake and make sure that you use experts and specialists in I 35.

  • If you are going to use umbrella.

  • Make sure that they're F.

  • C s.

  • I accredited on bio means.

  • Look at the feet pair of service, but make sure it is a genuine contractual fee paid service.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Louise floats in today's webinar as ever.

  • We will be sending out a recording off this and you're a lot of you want to hear again this particular elements of case law around certain high profile litigation areas as it were over higher.

  • 35.

  • We do have a couple of minutes for questions.

  • So if you'd like to use the question function, I'm on the Web.

  • In our service, we can put those two Louise who had a couple for already.

  • Um, I think a good place to start because it's already happened.

  • It was the public set sector.

  • Has it settled down yet?

  • What?

  • It was the state of play there.

  • No, no, it hasn't settled down at all.

  • Um, has been actually quite interesting.

  • So two years down the line, and no, indeed it hasn't settled down.

  • What's happened is, I suppose there were a lot of like I said, last minute on reactive behaviors in the public sector on on reflection different areas of the supply chain of ah done different things.

  • For example, we saw blanket assessments on we're now seeing those blankie assessments being re looked at.

  • We saw big swings in tow umbrella andi on actually compliant players in the market really looking to, uh, ensure that there was compliance in their chain.

  • But unfortunately, contract his arm that loyal on what that resulted in was contractors leaving and hirers and leaving agencies to go where they could be engaged in a way that suited them on This is where we saw aggressive behavior.

  • So quite often I'm saying Pierre cells that were tried to be established a couple of years ago.

  • Umbrella Pierre sells particularly that actually just didn't work.

  • They ended up with, you know, instead of having four or five compliant providers on the pier cell, we're now seeing 30 40 50 different providers in the supply chain.

  • So now it hasn't settled down.

  • And with I'm seeing in the spy trade, lots of tidying up going on on.

  • We're constantly being invited.

  • Thio re tender for for fee paying activity for Pierce l selection.

  • I'm for technical review work.

  • So it continues to go on.

  • We see behavior such as payment terms, commercial terms being continually negotiated.

  • As a result, we see things like rolls being advertised with different rates inside and outside are 35.

  • And indeed, the Matthew Taylor report recommends that this transparency around the way in which Ingo contractors are engaged in the rates of pay that are paid So again, this this continues to impact was going on.

  • So no, it's not settled down at all.

  • Two years down the line.

  • Thank you, Louise.

  • I'm I think another another good question is maybe to put pay to some of those rumors that you know, certain job positions, You know, for example, nurses they're going to be called by Is is this Is this the case that certain job titles are gonna be caught by a 35?

  • Yeah, this is so the answer to that is No, you can't.

  • You can't assess in that way.

  • This is where do care?

  • There is a requirement in the supply chain to undertake.

  • Do care on blanket assessments were incorrect.

  • Um, so yes, I've heard this on.

  • We've seen this supply chains dictating, for example.

  • They're all nurses are caught by the i R 35 in the private sector alive.

  • Although lorry drivers a court by i r 35 This is ah, been done on purpose.

  • Really?

  • To create fear, um, on dhe and it doesn't work that way.

  • You can't.

  • You cannot just assess job titles.

  • You really need to assess the individuals themselves.

  • You have to understand what their contract is.

  • You have to understand the way in which they work, the manner in which they undertake their work on the behaviors of both their engage our on themselves.

  • Eso This cannot be done on a blanket basis.

  • Now what we do recommend is because obviously it's difficult on.

  • The reason why blankets have come in is because it is difficult when you've got high volumes to undertake.

  • So what we found is quite a useful method is to undertake trials.

  • So you pick a selection off your ah workforce on you undertake our 35 assessments on you.

  • Try to find some similarities between the types off contractors and workers.

  • So you can't just say and nurses call has to look at the types of nurses.

  • Are those nurses because there are different types of nurses are.

  • Those nurses are told what to do.

  • It's prescriptive Lee.

  • Or are they nurses that are working on their own?

  • Are they working in an operating theatre where they're being told by the consultants Prescriptive Lee What they should do?

  • Or are they got some sort of beneath the test qualification were actually there?

  • The one with the qualification in the skill on they will be deciding what to do.

  • Are they working in people's homes where there's no supervision over them at all?

  • On therefore using their own skill and professionalism.

  • So we recommend that you group your contractors into groups on, then understood, undertake some trials on dhe.

  • See the outcome from the trials, how many parts and how many fail?

  • A typical example I did for a medical agency recently on.

  • About 62% were passing on the remainder failing on when we look at those 62% they had particular control evidence that demonstrated that they were weren't weren't caught by our 35.

  • So it's you can't cannot just blanketly say that a ll nurses or a lorry drivers, all paramedics are caught.

  • I need to be assessed individually.

  • Thank you Louise.

  • That is all we have time for today.

  • As you can see on the screen there, our contact details for Louise for number mill.

  • I know.

  • Lost of you Sent in very specific questions for God's inside and outside of different arrangement between umbrella P s e.

  • On the end clients.

  • I totally recommend getting into true number mill just to reiterate, you know, the way for seems to be good communication and get advice on it because the landscape is changing all the time.

  • As ever, we will be sending out this weapon are to all of you so you can go back through all the thing with denser pieces of information.

  • I'm Andrea wants to get Please get in contact with Louise.

  • And remember, they've got some great solutions.

  • How therefore you So that's good bye from May.

  • Have an exit Afternoon.

  • I'll have to see you again shortly.

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ウェビナー録音 - IR35改革 - 2020年に向けた洞察とアプローチ (Webinar recording - IR35 Reform – Insights and Approaches for 2020)

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