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  • Good morning and welcome to Sunday Supplement on today's show will be asking what next for Pep Guardiola and Manchester City?

  • They were banned from Europe for two years.

  • Liverpool continue their relentless march towards a first ever Premier League title with a wonder win at Norwich.

  • We look ahead to a huge game at Stamford Bridge tomorrow night's with Chelsea looking to move nine points clear of Manchester United on in the final part of the show with the FAA is heads up campaign and focus.

  • This weekend, we'll look at mental health issues affecting sports.

  • Journalists were joining us to discuss all of these topics and a few more besides our Martin Samuel.

  • Chief sportswriter at the Mail.

  • Melissa Ready senior football correspondence at The Independent on Mark Ogden is senior football writer at ESPN.

  • Now don't forget to tweet the show at Sunday.

  • Sup on the vessel appear on the screen over the next 90 minutes or so.

  • Now, before we take our usual look at the back pages, we have some sad news on Sunday supplement this week with the sudden Parsi of our former producer Mike Curry, who worked for Sky Sports for 25 years.

  • Martin.

  • You knew Mike very well.

  • And, of course, his dad, Steve, What's he like to work with?

  • What was going Mike was, Mike came from it, said It's a different era that Mike started working on that show because, um, it was it was completely amateur.

  • Basically, it was.

  • It was four guys around the table, none of the home of all castes.

  • It's none of our professional broadcasters, many of whom had no broadcast experience whatsoever.

  • I'm like great talent.

  • Waas the major feel very, very relaxed.

  • I mean, hugely relaxed.

  • And so you just felt you was having a really having a chat with your mates basically on.

  • And there was no no doubt he waas talking to people.

  • We would no doubt he was producing the show as such.

  • But you never got that feeling.

  • And that was really, really important at the time, because your professional, because we had Jimmy Hill, but it wasn't actually Jimmy was almost a guest on his own show.

  • Brian anchor the show, and again, you know, Brian, what growing was a journalist, And so, Michael, this way of making you feel relaxed.

  • Um, I've been doing it since it was owned Friday night.

  • I thought, What would it was Hold backpage when was hold about marriage on Friday night and Kevin Keegan resigned.

  • I was in the manager.

  • The following die in one of the things that he cited Waas the absolute paste you got on the back page before for the Germany game when it was known that he was gonna pick go South Gate in central midfield on whoever were the guest that night.

  • Just just went for it on the following day when when Kevin resigned.

  • That was one of the things that he actually excited.

  • You have no faith in me or you don't think I know nothing about football.

  • Wherever I saw hold about plays last night, Mike, you know, Mike was a producer in the air and that that's what it was like.

  • And it's a bit, you know, I think that a face in filmmaking kind of angle cats and it was a little bit would have been a little bit like that, you know?

  • And yet somehow nobody swore and weigh all got through it.

  • And how did you quite that it was a really good life, Really.

  • It was really good.

  • Yeah, very much so.

  • Thank you so much for that.

  • And our thoughts very much with Mike's wife, Sam on little daughter Milly.

  • So sorry for your loss.

  • Now moving on to this morning's backpage is well, I think you can quite possibly guess what is dominating the back of the newspapers.

  • The Sun Rail Step up Sterling Chase.

  • Which is as a result, of course, off that two year ban as things down pending appeal for Manchester City for a supposedly breaking F f P regulations.

  • On the back off The Sunday Times is Tet one of his many trophies.

  • The death off the dream.

  • Jonathan North Croft going into detail there along with David Walsh on the shaming as they describe it off Manchester City.

  • Plenty off inside analysis in loads of the newspaper today, if not all of them.

  • The Telegraph Have Pochettino waiting in the wings for band Manchester City.

  • If that man does indeed go ahead.

  • Sabio Marnie, The Super Selby got half an hour for Liverpool and was the match winner for them at Norwich last night of bleary eyed multi Ogden is gonna tell us about shortly on a bit of a truck back blessing on any express money off the moment, with Liverpool beating Norridge City Keeping close.

  • I'm posture t know also in there, and there's plenty, by the way, in the Observer today.

  • Should you want to be reading a lot about Manchester City, then you can read a lot about it in The Observer.

  • Huge amounts of analysis there Barney Ronay has his say on dhe Plenty analysis on what it could entail for them on Jim Holden in The Sunday Express European ban.

  • A test of character but Guardiola So we're here to stay on lots of its and butts, by the way, in all of this, which is what we are here to debate now just to clarify city being banned.

  • As things stand from your wife competition for two years find almost £25 million as a result, potentially as well facing probably points deduction Were that to happen after you.

  • A first say that city committed serious breaches of its financial fair play regulations.

  • They found that city overstated their sponsorship revenue between 2012 2016.

  • They fell to cooperate with the investigation.

  • So they say city, on the other hand, denied all wrongdoing.

  • They say it was a prejudicial decision and well, they certainly will appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sports.

  • They have another eight days in which to lodge that appeal.

  • But they certainly will be doing so.

  • They say at the earliest opportunity.

  • And they say that you have ignored irrefutable evidence on there will be more financial documents to be coming out during the course off that hearing.

  • So Mark Nice, easy one for you on that.

  • But the appeal is pending, of course.

  • But what do you think this ban were to stand?

  • Would meal mean for the club?

  • For pep?

  • For the players who all had a meeting about this on Friday?

  • Well, the back page of the sun, the picture, the one city, but frightening too homes.

  • Little piece is perfect because that is exactly where we are right now.

  • It's There are so many elements to this which could could happen.

  • It could be it could affect your future.

  • The players future the finest of the club with so many elements which we don't know the answer to it right now, because if this girl's do is is that we devastated him on city because two years of that champion league football will hit the finances of the club.

  • It means we'll be able to pay the way to.

  • The players will be paid back.

  • Really.

  • Always.

  • Wages will be out to keep the place and pep happy at the club in terms of satisfy other ambitions.

  • Book is basically a step on the road on the road just to get a long way to room, because my city will fight this tooth and nail because you know they've no this has been coming.

  • They have known that your way for being trying to find a way to support the wind, really on this bunny is it's pretty extreme in the sense that a two year plan for the Champions League, I think, is unprecedented in terms of a club of this stature.

  • But it leaves so many questions left to be answered in the papers today.

  • Clarify that because we're asking question about perhaps future about the place future about what happens next.

  • Well, even soccer Sheffield United.

  • Maybe in the Champions League next season.

  • There's so many strings to it.

  • But right now we're not in a place where we know what's gonna happen because they will appeal.

  • They might get a bun, have to make it overturned.

  • There's too many things that need to be resolved where we can find out exactly what happened.

  • What?

  • Did you have any sympathy with City over this situation?

  • Absolutely.

  • I mean, I think we make women.

  • Should we discuss some financial fair play in the next part of starting it?

  • Now, Theo, I know you do have sympathy for sitting because City are the rules are I have been put in place to protect a tiny band off elite clubs.

  • You can you can talk about being leads or Portsmouth, or this is what it was about.

  • But this is not about later ports with If you want to tell us what ports was happening, uh, you would stop loans from the owner of the club.

  • Everything would have to be a gift if you wanna stop pulse without, because what happened?

  • Reports with was Theo No.

  • Gave them a huge amount of money on then.

  • Fuck.

  • His financial circumstances changed and then he wanted it all back apartment.

  • Didn't have the money to give him back because ports with living by beyond their means because of his money.

  • So if you turn everything that's alone into A into a gift, it's got to be a gift.

  • You could stop portal happy.

  • This is so This is not about this is about cementing.

  • Um, it's about pressing the pause button on football.

  • And so the only Wayne long term I'm not talking about a miracle.

  • I'm not talking about Lester.

  • Lester was a miracle.

  • And then the following season, they thought they were gonna get relegated.

  • That sounds sustainable, you know, as a long term project.

  • So the the only way of getting in what was to spending this money that was the otherwise They just sit there like Lester having mansion.

  • I take their best players, Wayne Rooney ever to real people.

  • Talk about clubs can grow organically, huh?

  • You tell me how everything can grow organically.

  • If if they were a lovely little pop, Wayne Rooney, we've got we've got Moon.

  • But the best young player in English football A mansion tonight, coming on one is still a teenager going with, so you know, organically.

  • So this was the only way this thing is.

  • Big clubs have created this situation on your wife have created this situation with their Champions League money.

  • That is so The only way you could get in is to is to try to match this this arm, this arms race, this financial homicides.

  • So that's what you don't agree with.

  • The concept of F f.

  • P is definitely has to play by the rules and the regulations as they are.

  • Which city insists that they have done, by the way?

  • Yeah, exactly.

  • But you wait to say the's the regulations to try to ensure football is fair.

  • Yeah.

  • I mean, sometimes you could be on the wrong side of the rules on the right side of the argument.

  • If you look at this wind rush, deportations and things like that, you could be on the wrong side of the walls on the right side of the argument.

  • Um, you know, I don't believe I personally, um, everyone thinks, you know, if you don't support financial fair play, you're some sort of laissez faire capitalist that wants everyone to be a faux money every day.

  • What would solve this is proper financial regulation.

  • So instead of giving all the money from the Champions League 245 elite clubs.

  • You give it to the majority of it to the league, 75% to the league.

  • Let's say 25% of the clubs now you've got now you've got competitive league.

  • If you if you do that, that would be That would be a huge, huge star.

  • But I want Melissa In the Observer today, Barney Ronay says, Good luck trying to persuade a crop of high class, midcareer, elite level players to miss two years of top table football.

  • I think top table football rather than top table football.

  • That could play that no problem whatsoever.

  • But I mean, it will be a challenge if this van is upheld, whether it's one year, two years, if it's not overturned altogether, how do you see City going forwards Were that to be the case?

  • It's incredibly difficult because the Champions League revenue in terms off, you know, the broadcasting fees, the gate receipts, just the prestige of the competition itself.

  • So you have the financial elements off them, not actually being able to pay the wages that they are able to at the moment.

  • Without that revenue, their profits will drop.

  • I think that actually become a loss making club at that point.

  • There's also reputational damage in terms of the project for Abu Dhabi, which is is not very helpful when you want to be associated with beautiful football and, you know, having the best manager in the world and all that.

  • And then, you know, there's all these question marks against you about how you've gone about doing that.

  • Um, so, yeah, in terms of really every element off city as we know them at the moment is in threat.

  • Um, I think you know when we talk about F f p.

  • And when we talk about city, there can be two different strands of thought.

  • You can think f f p s floored, and you can also believe that hang on.

  • You signed up to this.

  • You should actually be playing by the rules as everybody else's or you know you way for.

  • Say, it's not just that they've breached the rules.

  • It's that they've misled with information on dhe that they've, um, being antagonistic during approach.

  • That's not helping the investigation.

  • Not being a collaborative now city denial that But you know what you weigh for saying you can still you can think if if P has its floors and you can still think that you signed up to it like all the other clubs, you have to play along with it.

  • We also talk about, you know, city being curtailed in some way.

  • I mean, city have bean incredibly successful under F F P.

  • They won the domestic trouble, they'd be in the jug.

  • Analysts say completely restructured what it takes to me to win the league in this country.

  • Set a new benchmark that you know Liverpool Little Pool are where they are right now because of the standard city set before them.

  • I think Jorgen Cup made that point.

  • Their football has been exceptional, so city have not been impeded by F F P in becoming successful.

  • That's a Miss Noma on DDE.

  • F F P is not about competitive balance.

  • That wasn't it same when it was introduced and this is quite a sophisticated system that, you know, top accountants worked on Deloitte worked on and it was to prevent debt.

  • And when I say you can think it's flawed, the Glazer situation that united that shouldn't be happening.

  • For example, however, cubs have bean recording profits under F F P.

  • So I think you know when we talk about it, you can believe that.

  • Yeah, it's not the absolute best, but club should still be abiding by it.

  • Because I signed up to the place is the issue because players will just look at themselves in the day.

  • And, I mean, when you Ventress were demoted after the match fixing scandal in Italy and Patrick Vieira's, we're the first ones to be often he's still low.

  • Think you're in because you left your mentors when they were relegated and players can talk about loyalty and how much they kiss the budget?

  • Look, the club have you.

  • If they feel that their careers being damaged by being a tribe that can't offer them what they want, they'll find a way to get out.

  • And, you know, there are cities, big players, people Raheem Sterling, Kevin O'Brien along long term contract.

  • So there's no way that said to let this place leave easily.

  • But if they were in a situation where the Champions League for two years, we can't generate the income to pay these players, the players are all mid to late twenties.

  • None of the Champions League yet, and if they stay at city for the next two years, I'm going with that.

  • Keeping this place to be hard to start leads different circumstances, similar in a way that once I want to club, count off for the players what they signed up for, they'll be off on.

  • Their agents will be busy trying to fight.

  • I imagine Now they'll be players with agents at Man City who will already investigated where they could go next season.

  • If this bunny's upheld, would expect those conversations to be have now bear in mind that the appeal hasn't even gotten in yet.

  • But do you think that's what would have happened?

  • They had that meeting foreign?

  • Soriano.

  • Yes, day after they came back on Friday, the place will be informed.

  • Do you think about something that's just natural when it comes a top level football, that agent, suddenly there is will pick up.

  • Yeah, I mean, whatever the players might be saying, or, you know, agents, the agents will be working on on stage two on Biff.

  • If you were a prior, you would expect that of your agent.

  • I don't see.

  • I don't see any a problem with that as such.

  • And you can't just say, Well, you know, the club set to us.

  • We've got a good chance.

  • The Court of Arbitration.

  • You can't say that because you don't know what's gonna happen there.

  • You'd look at the two years onion and cynically, you'd say I wonder if they've given him two years because they go to cast cast finds a little bit for sitting in a little bit for you, Ava, and splits the difference.

  • And they get a one year ban.

  • But you can't go and see that because I think it was Galata.

  • So I went there and got nothing out of gas.

  • You young from the castle's biggest clients.

  • I mean, you know that it's true.

  • I think they are their biggest client.

  • So you don't think there's more appeals?

  • Go to cats about stuff that you want for it, and then just about anybody else so you can't go and say you're gonna get the decision.

  • Um, you did manage to attract players before they reached this situation whereby they won the Premier Ling before they became successful, as they have the likes of tethers company.

  • Admittedly, before he became such a big name, but Aguero David Silver came before they were as enormous as they are.

  • Pet has a great relationship with the owner's.

  • Doesn't mean can you see a situation whereby actually they just gotta hang tight and on That relationship is good and and it won't be that long before they get a result is toe knowing what's gonna happen, I would expect before the start of next season.

  • I think that's the idea.

  • Ideal scenario For all the speculation around Gaudio this future, he's being pretty adamant that he wants to see out his contract.

  • Um, the players names you've mentioned there, Aguero.

  • He's Bean so loyal to city I mean, you know, there's Bean the option off Real Madrid, Barcelona He is probably the premier Li expressed marksman of the last a few years and yet he's remained.