LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE WITH CHRIS HAYES.

CHRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU.

LET'S TALK CORONAVIRUS FOR JUST A MINUTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LOUVRE LAUGH ( LAUGHTER )

I PURELLED HIS HAND PERSONALLY BEFORE HE CAME OUT.

>> WE DID IT BACKSTAGE.

SO WE COULD DO THE BIT.

>> Stephen: BEFORE HE CAME OUT HERE--

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: NOW-- >> UOWAIG THE 20-SECOND RULE?

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT.

>> Stephen: WHAT'S THE 20-SECOND RULE?

>> IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAVE THE PURELL, BUT WHEN YOU'RE

WAWFNING YOUR HANDS, THE C.D.C.

SAYS 20 SECONDS WASHING.

THAT'S TWO "HAPPY BIRTHDAYS."

JUST A TIP.

>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE TO SING "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" OR WILL

THEY SUE YOU?

>> YOU HAVE TO HUM IT TO YOURSELF OR YOU GET A CEASE AND

DESIST IN THE BATHROOM.

>> Stephen: THAT'S A KEEP HIGH.

NOW, SPEAKING OF CORONAVIRUS, THAT WILL AFFECT THE ELECTION?

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO PLACE WHERE

YOU'RE TOUCHING THAT LEVER THAT THE LAST GUY JUST TOUCHED AND

YOU'RE IN A LITTLE AREA.

YOU'RE CRAMMED INTO A GYM FOR SEVERAL HOURS.

>> YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY AS WE SEE

MORE AND MORE CASES, WHICH IS INEVITABLE, AS WE SEE BIGGER

CLUSTERS OF WHAT'S CALLED COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION, WHICH IS

PERSON-TO-PERSON, NOT FROM A TRAVELER, LOTS OF STATES AND

LOCALITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START TAKING VERY AGGRESSIVE

MITIGATION EFFORTS-- CLOSING SCHOOLS, CANC LINS CONCERTS AND

CONFERENCES.

YOU MAY RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A TEDGES BETWEEN

MITIGATING TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS AND RUNNING ELECTION DAY.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY HARD QUESTION FOR POLICY

MAKERS.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE UNPREPARED FOR THE LEVEL OF

DISRUPTION THAT WE ARE LIKELY HEADLINING INTO.

>> Stephen: WOAN OF THE THINGS THAT IS A HALLMARK OF CERTAINLY

REPUBLICAN POL SICKS IS THE IDEA THAT GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM

TWILL ALWAYS MAKE IT WORSE.

IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, YOU NEED A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT TO

COORDINATE ALL THE BEHAVIOR BECAUSE DISEASES DON'T CARE

ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE RESPONSE SO FAR?

AND DO YOU THINK WE'RE GETTING THE STRAIGHT DOPE FROM THIS

GOVERNMENT?

>> I'VE REALLY BEEN STRUGGLING ON MY SHOW TO BE CAREFUL AND

CLEAR OUT HERE.

BUT HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY.

I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO EXPERTS FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS.

THE RESPONSE THUS FAR HAS BEEN A FAILURE AND HAS BEEN TERRIBLE

WILL.

>> Stephen: HOW SO?

WHERE ARE THE FAILURES?

>> WE ARE NOT TESTING AT WHAT WE HAVE TO BE TESTING AT.

RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO TO THE C.D.C. PAGE THAT THEY UPDATE

EVERY DAY, THAT CLOSES OUT AT 4:00 P.M., THEY TELL YOU THERE

ARE 80 CASES IN WANT U.S.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERT IN THIS COUNTRY

WHO THINKS THAT'S A REAL NUMBER.

NO ONE THINKS THAT'S A REAL NUMBER.

IT'S NOT THE REAL NUMBER.

WE HAVE GENETIC EVIDENCE THAT THE DISEASE HAS BEEN IN THE

STATE OF WASHINGTON FIVE OR SIX WEEKS BEFORE THE FIRST CASE WAS

CAUGHT.

WE HAVE COMPUTATIONAL MODELING SUGGESTING THERE MIGHT BE 500,

600 CASES.

WE KNOW THE MORE YOU TEST, THE MORE YOU FIND.

SOUTH KOREA IS RUNNING 10,000 TESTS A DAY.

WE HAVE RUN HUNDREDS OF TESTS SO FAR.

WE RIGHT NOW HAVE A RECORDED FATALITY RATE OF 1% WHICH

EVERYONE KNOWS IS NOT THE CASE.

THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLETE FAILURE TO REPORT AT SCALE THAT

IS IS NECESSARY TO GET YOUR ARMS AROUND THE SCOPE OF THE

EPIDEMIC.

>> Stephen: WHERE IS THE INFORMATION--

( APPLAUSE ) WHERE MIGHT YOU FIND THIS

INFORMATION?

BECAUSE IT'S-- IT'S-- I-- I-- BELIEVE IT IS BETTER TO KNOW

THAN TO NOT TO KNOW, THAT KNOWLEDGE IS NOT THE ENEMY EVEN

THOUGH I THINK THIS PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO

KNOW THINGS SO THEY CAN CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.

IS IT THE WHO?

IS THAT WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING?

>> THE BEST DATA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS JOHNS HOPKINS ESSENTIALLY

RUNS A WEBSITE WHERE THEY'RE REPORTING CASES.

YOU CAN GO TO THEIR WEBSITE AND SEE IT ON A MAP.

AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE NOT TESTING ENOUGH TO KNOW THE

ACTUAL SCOPE.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM THE TOP, THE

MESSAGE FROM LEADERSHIP, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

IS CASES ARE GOING TO GO TO ZERO.

IT MIGHT DISAPPEAR LIKE A MIRACLE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT BAD.

THESE ARE DIRECT-- THE FIRST TWO ARE DIRECT QUOTES.

>> Stephen: SURE.

>> AND MAYBE THERE WILL BE A VACCINE IN TWO MONTHS.

HE WAS LITERALLY IN THE WHITE HOUSE --

>> Stephen: THEY HAD AT A GUY-- AZAR-- SAID IN THREE DAYS

THEY CAME UP WAY VACCINE.

>> AND FAUCI HAS TO COME OUT AND SAY, "HELLO!

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING FOR 18 MONTHS."

>> Stephen: NOTHING ON THE "N" I.H., OR ANTHONY FAUCI, THIS IS

MESSAGING BY -- >> THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP HAS

SENT THE MESSAGE TO THE BUREAUCRACY AND TO THE PUBLIC:

THEY WANT THIS TO GO AWAY.

THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE A BIG PROBLEM.

THEY DON'T WANT THE MARKETS TO TANK.

AND THEY DON'T AT THE PRESENT TIME TO HURT ECONOMY.

THE FASKT MATTER IS WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE TAIL OF THE

PANDEMIC FROM CHINA TO IRAN, KOREA, JAPAN, AND ITALY, THE

WORST THING YOU CAN DO AT THE FRONT END OF THIS IS TAMP DOWN

AND DENY THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

>> Stephen: WELL, ON THAT CHEERFUL NOTE, CHRIS, THANKS SO

MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS.

APPRECIATE IT GLI KNOW YOU MUST BE A LITTLE TIRED.

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