Yes.

Richard Arnold, of course, is here as well.

Plus, of course, we've got toe the former strictly come dancing professional.

And also Caroline's from Kristina ran off.

Who joins us from Devon.

Good morning to you, Christine.

Thank you so much for joining girls.

Good morning, everyone.

On a really difficult morning.

I know for anybody he knew Caroline.

Theresa, can we just come to you first?

If that's okay.

I mean, we just saw there.

She worked hard.

My goodness.

She worked hard for her success.

It was not handed to her on a plane.

Oh, she had a terrific workers.

The country.

Andi.

Of course, she came 16.

So to train.

And she had stars in her eyes then, but we could spot the talent.

Could you Really?

You could see she has star quality.

Yeah, without straight way.

She auditioned.

She auditioned because she wanted to become a musical theater artist.

And she had a good voice, which was never really later in her career.

I know.

On dhe, you can spot, you can spot it.

But she lived with my daughter, Jane throughout her training.

So she was supported at that.

Time is very important that students are supported within their training because actually, dancers in particular have low self esteem because it's never quite good enough.

You know, we're all perfectionists in this industry, and you're always striving for the next thing.

Did you ever pick up in those early years?

Any sign of her?

Her problems?

I mean, she see herself talked about her awful anxiety, which only ever really went away when she was performing.

Did you see any of that in the team?

Not really.

But I see it all the time because you know, young girls and boys training.

As I said, there are mental health issues all around us.

It was a bit less than I want to say that it has become now because of social media.

It's absolutely social media and you know, in a way you grow up in that spotlight.

As a young professional, it becomes very, very different.

Never escape it either.

You know, it follows you home now, which it never used to do before.

I mean, you look at someone like Caroline and huge success she had.

Let's just say she was a grafter she worked very much for it was the fragile nature of her vulnerability that drew people to her as well.

I mean, they they said, very felt like one of us.

You know, what was one of the hunters?

All the countries.

I mean, you know, when when they obviously you know, people will say not necessary about Karen, but just in general, about Twitter about being in the papers.

But all of that sorts of listen, that's part and parcel of being famous.

If you want to be famous, you've got to get a thick skin, and you're gonna have to deal with it.

Have we got to change our attitude in terms of how much of your public life, how much of your personal life you feel like you have to constantly reveal in order to stay relevant in order to keep young people wanting to watch you?

Well, it's the nature of the beast, and we are encouraged a CZ talent, if you like to engage with the audience and that engagement goes beyond, obviously just performing well.

She was a natural TV.

I felt, you know, some people are just complete natural is.

And you, the young people identified with her.

Well, let's let's bring in.

Kristina ran off down in.

Devon.

Kristina.

Hi.

Thanks for joining us this morning.

I mean, you must be heartbroken.

You knew her really well, thank you for having me.

I read one thing yesterday which in strictly come dancing?

Yes.

I read one thing yesterday that I didn't know until yesterday, which was the morning after.

And Caroline said this herself.

This is from her.

The morning after.

She won strictly.

You think she would've woken up with joy in her heart.

But she said she woke up unable to get out of bed.

She said she felt like she'd been cling filmed to the bed.

And it was the beginning of a year long depression.

Did you spot any of that when you were working with her on the show?

Or when you later you turd with her?

Could you see that there was this this very dark side to her said later yesterday, Son to this question because during the show show always appear so bubble, It's of sweep happy on Everybody love working with her because she was just always very sweet and very nice to everybody.

Always has a smile on her face.

But when you touring, especially which we did right after strictly come dancing In this two months of intense work on the roads, there was many conversations and a couple of them she miss going on stage because she was battling a lot of inner conflicts.

And the conversations happens if if if you wish it between two ladies and obviously with that we sat down and spoken and you can see that she has a lot of insecurities, a lot of vulnerability, which I think not really was known to the public that much on it.

So said So what really happened?

Because they should have been someone like a life coach.

Oh, and somebody who can really help on.

It's so sad to see that she had no way out.

She couldn't see a way out, is just heartbreaking for her family and for himself.

And even at that time, all this years ago, four years ago, our thoughts Gosh, you really hold just somebody will help.

You know somebody will stand by her in those dark moments because we all knew her beautiful personality.

Beautiful smile.

But behind closed doors there was a lot of demons, sadly, and, um, you know, it's what led to what happened just a few days ago.

It's heartbreaking, really.

And I'm heartbroken for her family.

And Kristina is as somebody who's bean in the public high.

You've bean in the newspapers.

You you know, you have things probably said about you.

I imagine you know lots of people.

Yes, you know, perhaps might say, Well, just don't read the comments.

Why do you have to read the comment?

Can you just explain?

You know, as a performer, as somebody who sort of, I suppose as anybody in your in your stratosphere, you need feedback.

That's how you know whether you're doing well, how how do you manage not to look at the things on Twitter said about you or social media?

Whatever.

Because people will be wondering, How is this group of young people coming into the industry all the time?

What do they do?

It's extremely hard not to look online not to read those things, because in the end of the day, we're all human.

We want to know what other people think about us.

We are exposed over there.

We will come out who want to perform.

We want to be known and respect.

What we do is professionals on.

Nobody wants to be on the personal attack on C s have been there with the press and the media and the online trolling and off will understand how Carline feels.

Unfortunately, sadly, I do.

I have experience a very, very dark place.

And I think with her it was just a matter of time.

Really.

What would actually happen on DDE?

You know, we we all we all have feelings.

That's what I think people forget, you know, sort of.

Ah, some of sort of from creature just doesn't have any feet things.

When you read something about yourself and it was just overwhelming what was happening to her?

It was every single step of the way summer scrutiny, so much abuse online.

I'm no really protected from something like that from having those that thoughts and there's no way out.

And we ought to say, I mean, speaking for a great many people here, it's not just online.

I mean, there is a symbiotic relationship between what you call the old school media mostly did the tabloids and the Internet and social media platforms, and they kind of feed off each other.

And that's something which we really got to address is absolutely, yeah, I mean, it's it's a necessary evil.

In some respects, as I say, we are encouraged to engage on more so than others when you reach the sort of height of famous is Caroline.

Did you know it's extraordinary being in that fish bowl?

Anyone who's ever done strictly what will tell you that on?

For the most part, it's a very warm community, but unfortunately the headlines are drawn to those people who trolled the keyboard.

Warriors that we hear so much about these years surrenders unfettered comments that people can post on there.

No police to me that it makes my blood boil.

Yeah, and she said she said in an interview when she talked, she don't spoke last year, and he gave more details about the depression she felt after winning Strictly I mean, which to most people seems incongruous happened to win the big show finally on, then feel depressed for years.

But she said.

She said people see the celebrity lifestyle, assume everything is perfect.

But we're just like everyone else.

Everyone is battling something emotional behind closed doors and she's not wrong.

That's life.

Fame doesn't make you happy.

And Theresa to you.

You hear Caroline saying that when we're talking about her after her death at the age of 40 for all her issues that she had on all her success.

What do you say you go back into your school today?

The students there they will have admired and wanted to emulate your line?

Yes, To them.

She was due to come in and talk to the sword.

Yes, when she was due to come into.

The thing is, she was very supportive off us on DDE.

I spoke to some of her year group yesterday on They all said that you make friends for life college, obviously.

But she never ever left that she all the celebrity.

She still maintained the friendships, Aunt, indeed, with us without fun.

And if you could choose one memory what One image of the happy times with him?

What would it be?

How would you How would you like to remember?

Well, Obviously, she was happy at college.

We did the usual things.

That college, that the shows she was very happy on stage in her comfort zone was actually in performing.

Performing?

Yeah, so she was always going to climb to the heights.