I'm in California to the M in Berkeley, and I'm here to see bellwether a new kind of roasting machines start up on.

I'm here to see them as a kind of advisor to them, to kind of office of thoughts and ideas and see what they're doing and whether technology is and and what future might look like.

Now, if you're not familiar with that weather bellwether make a kind of new kind of coffee roaster.

It's a machine designed to be a smoke free.

It doesn't need connecting ventilation bad.

It doesn't produce any smoke.

Its primary goal, actually in its early builders that you could just put it in any cafe and not have to worry about inventing it out.

Which is kind of an amazing thing.

It doesn't pretty clever stuff to get rid of emissions.

There's a tiny little bit of smell from this thing, but really, there's no smoke.

There's no hassles, right?

So that's that's the first kind of interesting thing about this is in.

It's really early stages, right?

So a bunch of stuff that I'm into that couldn't film.

I understand that this lots they don't really want how about there in the world quite yet, but I was able to capture a few different things about the machine.

So size wise it is.

You know, compared to me, it's about the size of a decent, perhaps American fridge, right?

Like not like a small refrigerated, but like a good side.

So power wise, it doesn't a decent amount of power because it's gonna roast up to about three killers.

Copy.

Batch.

I think £7 is how they would think about it.

Describe it and they would say it is a true £7 roast, right?

A lot of times, coffee roasters will say that there are 15 killer roasted, but really, you're probably gonna load 10 to 12 kilos into it.

There's often a bit of a gap.

So to them, if they say it's true, £7 roast, which from electric roaster is actually a decent amount of coffee.

You might wonder why I'm here, right?

You know, this kind of a business that will sell roasters and then also sell potentially some green coffee to its customers.

You're not locked in.

You have to buy green coffee from the weather, but they have, you know coffee available and they got a great sourcing team.

They are, to me, a kind of disruptive competitive potentially.

But I'll tell you why I'm interested in this and I think about the future may be quite a long way in the future.

But right now coffee roasting is extremely reliant on burning gas, and I would hope at some point we managed to transition away from burning gas as a source of heat.

I would hope that in the future we don't have to keep doing that because we know that a bad thing.

So we're probably using electricity as I hear source.

And if that's the case, what we know right now that doesn't scale super well, right?

So you're not gonna have this classic model of all the coffee being worst in one place and distributed out.

So it's likely that in the future there's a potential outcome where coffee arresting happens like this in a very distributed way, because it's all run through electricity and that's coming from sustainable sources on.

That's me being hopeful.

So from a from a future perspective, I think this is just something to pay attention, to allow these kind of roast isn't projects, which is why it was interesting to me.

So you probably gonna ask the obvious question, which is Is it good?

Doesn't roast amazing coffee on at this stage.

I can't really tell you one of only kept a handful of coffees worsted on it and to this is a really early stage thing.

It's full of potential.

And certainly we've seen roasters arrived at work in a different way.

And I think of Lauren right when that first appeared on the scene had a lot of detractors.

People felt it couldn't roast coffee that was as good as the classic drum roasters.

But I think that thinking has changed as we've begun to understand that new tool.

And I think there's tons of potential in how this thing works and in some ways is little bit similar, right?

Like it has in it a scrubby unit that uses heat thio burn off the smoke in particular, and other stuff that you don't want Andi that airs that clean hot areas we circulated back to the roast of which is one way it gets rid of smell on emissions and a little bit of cold air is introduced a little bit of the existing areas taken out, run through a HEPA filter on a HEPA filter was also used to filter out the cooling air When you drop rushed into the cooling tray, you know, it's kind of an air roaster with a fixed drum that has a sort of spinning, churning mechanism.

Inside, the drum doesn't rotate the drugs fixed on minute chance inside.

There's tons of data from this rest of this.

There's lots of probes all over this thing, and then I really started to dig into the data coming out of it of what it means or what it could mean.

I think that's a really interesting potential in a roasting like this thio approach, roasting in a slightly different way.

I get quite excited about those kind of potentials.

It's a really interesting technology that I think opens up some really new possibilities that maybe will take us to a place where coffee roasting it's a little less frustrating.

I have low been frustrated by the way that coffee roasters work, by the way we use temperature probes in the bean mass.

A lot of that just just doesn't work that well so I think there is a better way.

So coming out here to Berkeley was kind of cool, Like I could see the early models that they built something for five units built right now that they're experimenting on and iterating with, You know, they're starting to work with some early customers on.

It's definitely an exciting time on DDE this.

They're very open minded, very responsive company to work with.

Like I'm super interested by by the potential but what this could mean for the future.

I'm thinking a long way down the line.

Is this how coffee roasting will happen in the future once we've moved away from fossil fuels?

That's really good question.

So lots more to explore.

I look forward to coming back here again and digging in deeper as they progressed on the journey to having something officially out there in the world and available.

But today has been like a really exciting, really productive, really interesting day on.

I have enjoyed a lot, so if you have any questions, I will answer what I can down in the comments below.

Please ask me some stuff I just can't, so it's not my place to share that information.

But if I can, I will.

And as always, thank you so much for watching.

And I hope you have a great day.