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  • JUDY WOODRUFF: A growing number of Americans are worried climate change is a real crisis.

  • That is one of the findings of a new poll by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family

  • Foundation.

  • It found that eight in 10 Americans believe human activity is fueling climate change,

  • and nearly 40 percent now consider it a crisis, a significant jump from just five years ago.

  • Yet fewer than 40 percent also believe that they will have to make major sacrifices to

  • tackle the problem.

  • But young people across the world are now mobilizing to push for urgent action.

  • William Brangham spoke today with the Swedish teenager who's helped galvanize this movement.

  • Our story is part of a special initiative called Covering Climate Now, a global collaboration

  • of more than 250 news outlets to enhance coverage of the climate story.

  • PROTESTER: What do we want?

  • PROTESTERS: Climate action!

  • PROTESTER: When do we want it?

  • PROTESTERS: Now!

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: The younger generation came to the White House today demanding that the

  • grownups inside stop acting like children.

  • They said, acknowledge that climate change is a crisis and act accordingly.

  • Among the crowd was 16-year-old Greta Thunberg from Sweden.

  • In the past four years, Thunberg, who has mild autism, has helped drive this youth climate

  • movement.

  • She repeatedly called out world leaders for their climate inaction, like here at the U.N.

  • Climate Change Conference in Poland.

  • GRETA THUNBERG, Climate Activist: We have come here to let them know that change is

  • coming, whether they like it or not, the people who rise to the challenge.

  • And since our leaders are behaving like children, we will have to take the responsibility they

  • should have taken long ago.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: And here, at the World Economic Conference, the yearly gathering of the wealthy

  • elite in Davos, Switzerland.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: At places like Davos, people like to tell success stories, but their financial

  • success has come with an unthinkable price tag.

  • And, on climate change, we have to acknowledge that we have failed.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Across Europe, Thunberg has helped spur demonstrations that are called

  • Fridays For Future, where schoolkids leave class to draw attention to climate change.

  • Thunberg arrived in the U.S. last month after crossing the Atlantic on a solar-powered sailboat.

  • She won't fly because of air travel's carbon output.

  • She's participating in climate events leading up to the United Nations General Assembly

  • in New York next week, where climate activists are planning mass rough protests on Friday.

  • I sat down with Thunberg today, and begin by asking her how she first learned about

  • climate change.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: I was completely unaware of everything, like everyone else.

  • And I learned about this in school.

  • And I learned the basics, that the planet was warming because of increased greenhouse

  • gas emissions, and that would lead to -- that the global temperature would rise, there would

  • be more extreme weather, and so on.

  • And I just thought that, if it's really as serious as they are saying it is, then why

  • isn't it being discussed more?

  • Why isn't it being a higher priority?

  • So I started to read about it more and more.

  • And then I started to understand how acute it actually was and is.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Why do you think it is?

  • Because a lot of other people read those same studies and understand those same facts, and

  • yet they don't see it as the crisis that you see it as.

  • Why do you think other people don't appreciate it that way?

  • GRETA THUNBERG: I don't know.

  • Many people seem to have this double moral that they say one thing and then do another

  • thing, that they say the climate crisis is very important, and yet they do nothing about

  • it, and like cognitive dissonance.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Cognitive dissonance.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: Yes.

  • And if I know something, if I want to do something, then I go all in and I, like, walk the walk,

  • walk the talk, because I want to practice as I preach.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: You have helped galvanize young people all over the world to care about

  • this.

  • Do you have a sense as to why young people in particular have so embraced this movement?

  • GRETA THUNBERG: It is probably because we are the ones who are going to be affected

  • by this crisis the most.

  • And, for many, it seems so distant, but, for us, it seems less distant, because we are

  • the people who are going to live in the future.

  • We are the future.

  • We are those who are going to have to adapt from this crisis.

  • And so that's why I think a lot of people seem threatened about this, a lot of the young

  • people, more than adults.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: There is seemingly so much evidence around us.

  • We see wildfires, droughts, heat waves, intensifying storms, melting in the Arctic and the Antarctic,

  • extinction of species.

  • And yet, as we were discussing, the evidence is there before us, but it does seem that

  • the sense of urgency is not as intense as you feel it ought to be.

  • And I'm just curious why you think that is.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: I mean, of course, it could be many different things, but I think it is

  • because humans are social animals.

  • We follow the stream.

  • And since no one else is behaving like this was a crisis, then we see that and we think,

  • then I should probably behave as they do.

  • But...

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Just go on with life as usual.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: Yes.

  • But, for me, I have -- I am on the autism spectrum, and I don't usually follow social

  • coding.

  • And so that's why I go my own way.

  • And I think that is a very strong reason why people just continue, because they don't see

  • anyone else reacting to this.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: You think your autism in some sense has given you an insight into this

  • or a way to act in response to this that others may not have?

  • GRETA THUNBERG: That could be, definitely.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: As you know, we have a president here in the United States, who seems dismissive

  • of the science of climate change, and a political party, a major political party, that goes

  • along with that.

  • He pulled out of the Paris climate accords.

  • But even the nations that did acknowledge the severity of the problem and signed on

  • to the Paris accord, even those nations are really not living up to their commitments.

  • So, given that, why do you have hope that we will, as a global society, react?

  • GRETA THUNBERG: I think that people are good.

  • People are not evil, at least not everyone, most people.

  • And so I think people are just simply unaware of the situation and people are not feeling

  • the urgency.

  • I think that, once we would start treating this crisis as an emergency, people will be

  • able to grasp the situation more.

  • All these climate movements that have played out during the last year or years is proof

  • of that.

  • I don't think anyone could have predicted the school strike and Friday For Future movement

  • to become so big, and many other movements as well.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: You took a solar-powered boat to come here, because I know you're trying

  • to reduce your own carbon footprint by not flying at all anymore.

  • Is there a concern that, if people are too focused on individual actions, like eating

  • less meat or not flying as often, that they might be distracted from the much larger policy

  • changes that you're talking about?

  • Is that a worry that you have?

  • GRETA THUNBERG: Of course, that we focus on these isolated problems, that we talk about

  • people need to eat less meat or something, if people focus on that, and then someone

  • else says, no, it's much more effective if everyone stops flying and so on.

  • And then someone says, no, we need to -- to...

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Drive electric cars.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: Yes, or shut down the coal power plants.

  • And -- but we need to focus on all of these things.

  • And, of course, individual change doesn't make much difference in a holistic picture,

  • but it influences others around you.

  • We need both system change and individual change.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: If people are listening to you, what one thing would you like them

  • to take away from this?

  • What one thing would you like them to do?

  • GRETA THUNBERG: Everyone can make a huge difference.

  • We shouldn't underestimate ourselves, because if -- if lots of individuals go together,

  • then we can accomplish almost anything.

  • So, that's what I want people to take out from this.

  • WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Greta Thunberg, thank you very much.

  • GRETA THUNBERG: Thank you so much.

JUDY WOODRUFF: A growing number of Americans are worried climate change is a real crisis.

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