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  • -The 2020 presidential campaign is heating up

  • and there are a whole range of issues being discussed,

  • but foreign policy is really low on the list.

  • I had the opportunity to sit down with Andrew Yang,

  • who you probably know as the candidate

  • of the universal basic income,

  • a $1,000 check every month into your account.

  • But I wanted to get his take on a range

  • of foreign policy questions.

  • After nearly two decades of US presence in the Middle East,

  • things have only gotten worse there.

  • What role should the US be playing in that region?

  • -Our goal should be to try and stabilize

  • the region without open-ended military commitments.

  • So, to the extent that we have allies we can work with

  • in the region, we should invest in diplomacy.

  • I think it was Mattis who said, "If we spend less on diplomats,

  • we have to spend more on ammunition,"

  • so the goal should be to spend more on diplomats.

  • At the same time, I've signed a pledge to end the forever wars.

  • We've been in a constant state of armed conflict

  • for at least 18 years

  • and that's not the will of the American people

  • and that's not the way it was designed in the Constitution.

  • -Unfortunately, some of our alliances

  • seem to be shifting, specifically, in Syria.

  • -Yes. -and the Turkish

  • intervention there over the last few days.

  • Turkey seems moving towards authoritarianism.

  • Erdogan is emboldened and doing more to protect his own power

  • than work with the United States and other NATO partners

  • to come up with a peaceful resolution to Syrian conflict.

  • What does that say about the future of democracy

  • and the fragility of it right now?

  • -The international norms are disintegrating.

  • It's a massive problem.

  • And, to me, Donald Trump has accelerated the disintegration

  • in various ways,

  • where it's hard to push other countries

  • to pursue things that may not be in what they perceive

  • to be their self-interest

  • if you don't seem to have a higher set of principles

  • that you're bending over backwards for,

  • and, unfortunately, that's where America is right now.

  • It's going to be a massive challenge

  • to see what we can rebuild and reconstitute

  • in the wake of the Trump presidency.

  • Unfortunately, it's much easier to destroy

  • than it is to rebuild trust,

  • but rebuilding trust is what we have to do with partners

  • that want to work with us.

  • If you find that someone that you've been an ally with

  • has reached a point where they actually don't want to work

  • with you on various shared goals,

  • then you have to react to that accordingly.

  • -And what about the opposite?

  • We had this deal with Iran that we backed out of last year.

  • -To me, it was a massive mistake.

  • And it wasn't just us and Iran in that deal, you know.

  • It was Germany and UK and others.

  • Now, the timeline doesn't make sense anymore,

  • so you can't reenter the deal and say, "Hey, we're back,"

  • but the goal would be to reenter

  • and reform that deal with different timelines.

  • -Can we contain Iran's intervention in the Middle East

  • while simultaneously working with them?

  • I mean, are they an adversary that you think

  • that we can have a,

  • I don't want to say cooperative relationship with,

  • but one that is less contentious

  • than it's been over the last 40 years?

  • -Well, I think that countries have different goals

  • in different arenas and so,

  • if you can find a way to satisfy their goals in one space,

  • while still disagreeing with them in another,

  • I think that's appropriate.

  • And, if you're the United States,

  • avoiding a nuclear-powered or a nuclear-armed Iran

  • is a top priority and so you should be pursuing

  • every avenue to make that happen,

  • even if you don't meet every goal

  • you have for that relationship in the region.

  • -Climate change is an issue that's facing the entire world.

  • How will you work with other countries to save us

  • from what seems to be imminent catastrophe?

  • -First, you have to get your own house in order

  • and try and move towards more sustainable forms of energy.

  • Second, we need to make it more compelling for other countries

  • to adopt wind and solar and renewable forms of energy,

  • as opposed to coal and fossil fuels.

  • And, particularly for developing countries,

  • in places like Africa, they're going to do whatever

  • they think is in their best interest,

  • economically, so you have to make that compelling,

  • which may include subsidizing many of these technologies

  • and installations in other parts of the world,

  • which we do, with other exports, through the EXIM Bank,

  • but we need to be applying that to renewables.

  • One thing I would do immediately is convene

  • a global geoengineering summit,

  • because, right now, there are hundreds of scientists

  • working on various

  • geoengineering solutions and implementations,

  • but there's no convening,

  • there's no global consensus around it.

  • And, realistically, 25 years from now,

  • if China thinks it's in its best interest

  • to launch various geoengineering measures,

  • they will likely do so without consulting with us,

  • so we have to try and get in front of that

  • as quickly as possible.

  • -Donald Trump came into office as nonexperienced

  • in the political and governmental realm.

  • You and other candidates will be learning on the fly.

  • What sort of people, advisors, will you surround yourself with,

  • and what sort of plan do you have in place

  • to address some of these larger international issues

  • that you may not personally have a lot of experience with?

  • -Building the Yang administration

  • will be such a joy

  • because we're gonna get tremendous people

  • from both sides of the aisle who want to solve the problems,

  • not just here in America, but internationally.

  • So I've had the pleasure of speaking to and meeting

  • with various experts in foreign theaters,

  • China experts and Middle East experts,

  • and we're going to build a dream team.

  • It's going to be a lot of fun.

  • At the end of the day, a lot of these issues,

  • there's no right answer.

  • That's one reason why we elect a president,

  • is that many of these things are about judgment and values,

  • but you have a much better chance

  • of accomplishing your goals

  • if you have the right guidance and perspective,

  • and that includes bringing in people

  • who've been working with particular foreign leaders

  • or in other parts of the world for decades.

  • -So how did he do?

  • Andrew Yang has clearly infused the campaign

  • with some innovative ideas about economics and employment,

  • but, on foreign policy, he's still got some work to do.

  • We already know what it looks like to have a president

  • who is not engaged with those issues

  • and who doesn't heed the advice of advisors

  • with years of experience

  • on some of our most important foreign challenges.

  • The next president needs to do better.

-The 2020 presidential campaign is heating up

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オピニオン|アンドリュー・ヤンは国内政策のアイデアをたくさん持っている。しかし、シリアやイランについてはどうだろうか。 (Opinion | Andrew Yang has plenty of domestic-policy ideas. But what about Syria and Iran?)

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    王惟惟 に公開 2021 年 01 月 14 日
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