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JULIE.
>> Julie: ALL RIGHT, RICH
EDSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
PAIRED FOR MORE ON THIS, LET'S
BRING IN JOHN CHRISTY,
WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FROM
"USA TODAY."
THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US.
STEVE COHEN SAYS THAT THE
DEMOCRATS NEED WITNESSES AND
APPARENTLY THERE IS NEW EVIDENCE
THAT NEEDS TO COME TO LIGHT.
THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO
POTENTIALLY TALK ABOUT A
POTENTIAL THIRD ARTICLE OF
IMPEACHMENT.
WHAT IS THIS NEW EVIDENCE?
WHY NOW?
WHY SO LATE?
>> WELL, I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE
TALKING ABOUT SOME NEW EMAILS
THAT HAVE COME OUT, AND
SENATOR SCHUMER IN PARTICULAR
HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
EMAIL FROM OMB THAT HE EMAILED
TO THE PENTAGON.
I THINK THAT THAT IS PART OF IT.
THE LONGER THIS GOES ON,
OBVIOUSLY, THE LONGER THAT HOUSE
DEMOCRATS CAN COLLECT EVIDENCE.
THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF THEM MAY
BE ADDING TO AN ARTICLE, BUT I
THINK WHAT THIS REALLY IS ABOUT
A SORT OF NEGOTIATING OBVIOUSLY
THE RULES OF THIS THING.
YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF A
CLASSIC IMPASSE WITH
NANCY PELOSI SAYING THAT SHE IS
NOT GOING TO SEND THESE ARTICLES
OVER UNTIL SHE SEES HOW THE
TRIAL WILL BE RUN, AND LEADER
McCONNELL SAYING THAT HE WILL
NOT DO THE RULES UNTIL HE SEES
THE ARTICLES.
IT IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR HOW
THEY GET OUT OF THIS, BUT I DO
THINK THAT IT IS WORTH
REMEMBERING THAT ALTHOUGH WE ARE
ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW FOR
OBVIOUS REASONS, THESE FOLKS ARE
OUT OF TOWN, THERE WAS NOT GOING
TO BE A LOT OF WORK ON THE TRIAL
THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK ANYWAY.
AND PERHAPS WHEN THEY ALL GOT
BACK FROM THE BREAK IN A WEEK
AND A HALF OR SO, THERE IS A
CHANCE FOR THEM TO COME TOGETHER
AND FIND SOME AGREEMENT.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS HARD TO SEE
HOW THAT GETS DONE.
>> Julie: SO PELOSI AND
McCONNELL, DO THEY REACH A
DEAL?
>> IT WAS INTERESTING, I WAS
LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED IN '99
AND THE IMPEACHMENT OF CLINTON
IN '99 AND THE TRIAL.
AND THEY DID ULTIMATELY COME TO
A DEAL.
MAJORITY LEADER LOT AND DASCHLE
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERE
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERI
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERS
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERA
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERM
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERD
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERL
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERE
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERG
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERO
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERN
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERD
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERB
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERT
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERE
DID WRITE UP AN AGREEMENT, THERN
NO WITNESSES AND WITNESSES.
THERE IS DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU
CAN DO THAT, SO THERE IS A
POTENTIAL FOR AGREEMENT, THE BIG
DIFFERENCE, THEY ARE TWO BIG
DIFFERENCES.
ONE IS THAT IN '98 THE
REPUBLICANS HAD A MIDTERM.
AND THEY LOST SEATS AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE SAW THAT AS A REPUDIATION
OF THE IMPEACHMENT EFFORT.
DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT HAD THAT
WARNING SHOT FIRED ACROSS THEIR
BALL.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO
BE AS CAUTIOUS OR FEEL LIKE THEY
HAVE TO BE AS CAUTIOUS AS
REPUBLICANS STAYED IN '99.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP, I THINK, HAS A
MUCH FIRMER GRIP ON THE PARTY
THAN BILL CLINTON DID IN '98 IN
'99.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS COMBINED
MEANS THAT THESE TWO SIDES ARE
REALLY MORE ENTRENCHED THAN THEY
WERE BACK THEN.
>> Julie:
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL"
EDITORIAL BOARD MEMBER JASON
RILEY TALKS ABOUT HOW THE
BACKLASH AGAINST G.O.P.
SENATOR LISA MURKOWSKI, SHE IS
FACING -- A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
SAYING THAT SHE IS USING
DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS AND
SAYING THAT SHE SAID SHE IS
DISTURBED THAT THE SENATOR
LEADER MITCH McCONNELL IS
COORDINATING WITH THE
WHITE HOUSE.
LET'S JUST LISTEN TO THIS AND
THEN THE EMPLOYEE WILL HAVE YOU
REACT.
>> I DO WISH THAT SHE WOULD STOP
USING DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS
TO MAKE THE POINT THAT SHE IS
MAKING.
THE HOUSE JOB IS DONE, AND THE
IDEA THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE ANY
SAY IN HOW THE SENATE CONDUCTS
THIS TRIAL JUST IS NOT SUPPORTED
BY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN BLACK AND
WHITE IN THE CONSTITUTION.
>> Julie: IS MURKOWSKI IN
TROUBLE, YOU THINK?
COME 2020?
IS SHE RISKING HER SEAT AFTER
THE CONTROVERSIAL MARK?
>> CERTAINLY OF THE REMARK WAS
NOTABLE AND NEWSWORTHY.
IT WAS AMBIGUOUS.
SHE IS NOT REALLY SAYING WHERE
SHE GIVES YET.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING
THAT SHE IS THE ONLY ONE OF
THESE SORT OF SENATE REPUBLICANS
THAT WERE WATCHING TO COME OUT
SO FAR ALONG THESE LINES.
IF HOUSE SPEAKER PELOSI'S
STRATEGY IS TO SEE IF THERE CAN
BE SOME DIVISION AND SENATE
REPUBLICANS, WE HAVE ONE
SENATOR MURKOWSKI SAYING AND
NOBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW, BUT I
THINK THAT IT DOES SORT OF SPEAK
TO THIS A FINE LINE THAT
McCONNELL HAS TO WALK HERE.
HE OBVIOUSLY IS WORKING WITH THE
WHITE HOUSE AND NEEDS TO MAKE
THE PRESIDENT ADHERE TO THE
THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT IN THE
WHITE HOUSE ARE LOOKING FOR, BUT
HE ALSO HAS SEVERAL MEMBERS OF
HIS CAUCUS WHO MAY HAVE
CONCERNS.
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