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  • Sid: Hello. Welcome to my world where

  • it's naturally supernatural. I have got

  • a passion to rescue young people that are caught in

  • the lies of the school system to undermine the validity of the

  • Bible.

  • My guest has absolute scientific proof, because he's an

  • outstanding scientist that evolution is not scientific.

  • Is there a supernatural dimension?

  • a world beyond the one we know?

  • Is there life after death?

  • Do angels exist?

  • Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven?

  • Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural?

  • Are healing miracles real?

  • Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of

  • the supernatural.

  • Join Sid for this edition of It's Supernatural!

  • Sid: My guest Bruce Malone is a scientist.

  • He was with Dow Chemical for 30 years.

  • He was one of the top 100 inventors.

  • He had 18 inventions that raised millions of dollars.

  • But taking you back when you were in college, you told me God

  • was irrelevant to you.

  • But you had a deadly virus and because of this deadly virus you

  • came to your senses and became a believer in Messiah.

  • But what I want him to tell you, as a scientist that could not

  • possibly believe in creationism, that could not possibly believe

  • that there was a worldwide flood, he goes to church shortly

  • thereafter and he hears a lecture by a creationist.

  • What effect did it have on you.

  • Bruce: Well it shook my entire view of reality.

  • I mean, everything I had been taught is this earth is billions

  • of years old.

  • And yet, this speaker was showing how fossils could not

  • possibly billions of years old.

  • And the more I studied, the more I realized that's true.

  • I mean, if you think about a fossil, it's a dead animal

  • caught in a rock layer.

  • And yet, a fish that dies in your aquarium, it doesn't turn

  • into a fossil.

  • It doesn't fossilize.

  • It's just eaten up and deteriorates, and turns into

  • food for other animals.

  • Sid: So what makes a fossil?

  • Bruce: In order to make a fossil, you have to have

  • something die and be buried very deeply and very rapidly, and

  • then lots of water flush through the rock layers as the sediment

  • is turned into rock.

  • And yet, there are billions of dead things turned into fossils

  • into rock layers covering this entire planet.

  • It's testimony that this entire globe has been deluged by an

  • incredible flood in the fairly recent past.

  • Sid: And what effect did that have on you?

  • Bruce: Well I realize what I had been told about world history

  • couldn't possibly be true because the very rocks

  • themselves don't match the characteristics of these huge

  • time periods.

  • Sid: But you also found out that this whole thing you believe,

  • this theory of evolution was false.

  • Tell me one of the major reasons.

  • Bruce: Well I'll give you two major reasons.

  • When you go to the bottom of these rock layers that were laid

  • down under water, they were all laid down under water, you find

  • enormous gaps between every very different kind of creature.

  • You'll find single cell organisms in starfish with

  • nothing in between.

  • How do you do that?

  • How do you go from a single cell to a starfish and leave nothing

  • in between?

  • It's like it was created.

  • There are starfish and lobsters, and coral, and different kinds

  • of animals, very different from each other with enormous gaps.

  • Second, we have very recently been discovering dinosaur bones

  • that have totally unfossilized soft, stretchy tissue inside the

  • bones.

  • Now Sid, think about this.

  • If your grandfather's dog died and he buried it in his backyard

  • and you came back 50 years later and dug in that spot, would you

  • find any bones left, any soft tissue left?

  • No, you wouldn't.

  • Sid: It would all be decayed.

  • Bruce: All things that used to be alive totally decay.

  • They turn back into molecules that totally disappear.

  • No fossils are tissue that have turned into rock.

  • But inside of that rock we find soft tissue.

  • It can't be there unless those bones were buried very recently.

  • And we have found dozens of these dinosaur bones with soft

  • tissue in Montana, in Siberia, over in Europe, around the world

  • still with soft tissue inside of them.

  • Sid: So where did we get the earth is a million, a billion

  • years old, or whatever?

  • Bruce: Well you have to realize what's going on in science.

  • There are only two possibilities to explain everything.

  • I mean, pretend the entire earth is represented by this puzzle,

  • this box.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Bruce: Either the puzzle made itself either all the pieces,

  • which are like the animals we find all over the earth, made

  • themselves or something outside of this box made the box.

  • Science has been defined as only allowing natural processes.

  • Sid: So what you're saying to me is you're telling me over a

  • billion years that I could throw these pieces like this and

  • they'll all make themselves into a puzzle.

  • You got more faith than I got.

  • Bruce: Exactly.

  • That's the way science operates.

  • Let's just pretend it made itself.

  • But I'm telling you, the laws of science show us it couldn't have

  • made itself.

  • And the evidence from the rock layers say they were laid down

  • rapidly.

  • Sid: I'm going to tell you something.

  • The evidence that he has, it's irrefutable.

  • I want you to think for yourself.

  • We're going to come back and you're going to find out

  • something that is as ridiculous as these pieces of puzzle making

  • themselves.

  • We'll be right back to It's Supernatural!

  • We now return to It's Supernatural!

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Now the earth according to many scientists is billions of years

  • old.

  • We have scientific inventions that help us date how old the

  • earth is.

  • What do you say about the book called the Bible that says the

  • earth is a little over 6000 years old?

  • Bruce: Well what you're not hearing about, Sid, is that the

  • vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation.

  • But to explain life without God you've got to have enormous

  • periods of time.

  • So they only pick the methods that seem to indicate, well

  • maybe there has been a lot of time.

  • Let me just explain one, radial carbon dating.

  • Everybody has heard about that.

  • And I'll show you why it really supports a recent creation.

  • All of our bodies are made of carbon.

  • A certain amount disappears every so often.

  • So as soon as you die it starts disappearing.

  • Say the carbon in your body is represented by this sheet of

  • paper.

  • After so many years, half of it disappears.

  • After so many more years another half disappears.

  • So many more years, half disappears and the a half more

  • disappears, and a half more disappears.

  • We can measure how fast that happens today.

  • You see what's happening?

  • You get less and less, and less until eventually you don't even

  • have a single molecule of the paper left.

  • So scientists measure how much something has died, they dig it

  • up out of the ground, they measure how much radial carbon

  • is left and they calculate, well then it must have been alive

  • thousands of years ago because there's hardly any left.

  • This is what you're not told.

  • This is what students aren't told.

  • We can dig up dinosaur bones or coal that was supposedly buried

  • hundreds of millions of years ago.

  • There shouldn't be a single atom of radial carbon left.

  • Just like you can't keep dividing the paper over and over

  • again.

  • And yet, we find like this much radial carbon left in those

  • things.

  • It says those dinosaur bones, those coal scenes couldn't

  • possibly be as old as we're told because there's enormous amounts

  • of this radial carbon left in them.

  • Sid: So could it be what the Bible says, a little over 6000

  • years old?

  • Bruce: See, that's what I explain to people when I go out

  • and I teach in churches and in schools, the vast majority of

  • the evidence indicates those things are very young exactly as

  • the Bible indicates.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Another subject.

  • Is there any proof that a creature has turned into another

  • creature or the whole evolutionary cycle?

  • Bruce: There is absolutely no proof for that.

  • What you get is variations within a kind of creature.

  • It's like, you look at all the different kind of dogs we have.

  • We have Chihuahuas and we have Great Danes.

  • But they all came from the information God put within the

  • first wolf type creature.

  • And then you get lots of variation.

  • But a dog has never turned into a cow, and it's never been shown

  • how it could happen.

  • Now what evolution will do is line things up as you see in

  • museums and in textbooks.

  • Sid: Speaking of lining things up, the American Museum of

  • Natural History has an exhibition of horses.

  • Tell me about that how it lines things up.

  • Bruce: It's a classic example.

  • You see it in the textbooks and the museums.

  • They'll line up creatures that have three toes and then

  • creatures that have two toes, and the creatures that have a

  • single hoof, it would be a small creature and the a medium size

  • creature, and then a big creature, you see that proves

  • the horse evolved from a different creature.

  • Once again, remember you're not being told the whole story.

  • We have since then became very popular shown, all those

  • creatures have been found in the same layer of rocks.

  • So how could one turn into another?

  • Sid: But wait.

  • Now you're talking science to me.

  • You're talking scientific fact.

  • That blows that exhibit out of the water.

  • Bruce: Blows it out of the water.

  • Sid: Why is it still there?

  • Bruce: Because you've got to try to pretend that it happened so

  • they'll leave it there.

  • Sid: Why do you have to pretend?

  • Bruce: Because the only alternative is that God made

  • horses.

  • One moment there wasn't a horse, the next moment there was.

  • We have lots of variety.

  • Some of these horses have since went extinct.

  • But they were simply horses with lots of variety, just like we

  • have dogs with lots of variety.

  • Sid: All right.

  • But what about we hear from time to time these missing links,

  • these half, these apes that really look like they're almost

  • human?

  • Bruce: It's storytelling, Sid.

  • Sid: How come they find bones?

  • They find bones.

  • Bruce: I could find a tricycle and a bicycle, and a motorcycle,

  • and a car buried in the ground, and I can line them up and say,

  • see, that proves that that tricycle turned into that

  • automobile all by itself.

  • That's the same thing with the bones.

  • That's how you can think about them.

  • It's a story to try to explain things as if God hasn't done it.

  • It's just bones that are lined up.

  • Doesn't mean one is turned into another.

  • Sid: As a scientist, I want you to help me.

  • Now this is what doesn't make sense to me.

  • They say, you know, a monkey became an ape, became a human.

  • This is taught as science.

  • So therefore, if that be true, why aren't there some half-apes

  • and half-men walking around?

  • Bruce: Because half of something doesn't work.

  • A half of a feather can't fly.

  • You can't have a reptile scale fraying and turning into a

  • feather and have both animals be useful in some way.

  • It just wouldn't work.

  • Sid: Tell me about the bees and the pollination of flowers.

  • Bruce: Well remember, if you're not going to believe God created

  • different kind of creatures, you got to believe that something

  • turned into something else, that turned something else, and

  • something else.

  • So they'll line them up like the tricycle of a car, except they

  • do it with bones.

  • They find flowers and plants in different rock layers, and they

  • give them certain ages.

  • They pick a dating method that supports their belief system.

  • They believe flowering plants developed about a hundred

  • million years ago.

  • It's a fictitious time.

  • It isn't true.

  • But they find other animals like bees that didn't appear until

  • 20, 30 million years later.

  • How could have plants being pollinated and surviving for 30

  • million years when there's nothing around to pollenate

  • them?

  • It doesn't make sense.

  • It's one of the many problems with evolution that's just not

  • shown as students.

  • Sid: I don't know why, but I have to tell you, your story

  • about the frogs in Africa blow me out of the water.

  • Bruce: Well there's just, God created things to wake us up, so

  • we know He did it.

  • There's a certain kind of frog, and it's actually in South

  • America, where it lays its eggs and then it swallows the eggs.

  • So then it shuts down its stomach acid.

  • The frog goes....Sid: How do you stop your stomach acid?

  • Bruce: Good question.

  • How do you do that?

  • Evolution cannot explain this.

  • How could a creature learn to do this?

  • Then the frog goes through its whole development where it loses

  • its tail.

  • It becomes a tadpole, grows arms and legs, turns into little baby

  • frogs.

  • About six weeks later, the mother opens its mouth and

  • fully-grown little frogs crawl out of its stomach.

  • It turned its stomach into a nursery to nurture its young and

  • protect them.

  • Sid: This begs the question, how does a frog know not to eat the

  • babies as they're coming out?

  • Bruce: See, creation is not non-scientific.

  • It means the frog was made with those abilities.

  • It was given those instincts so that we would be astounded at

  • the creativity of God.

  • And that's the purpose.

  • All the variety of life is so that we would be drawn to the

  • maker who made it all.

  • And yet, we pretend it all made itself.

  • Sid: But why didn't you see this as a scientist that said God was

  • irrelevant?

  • Why didn't you see these things?

  • Bruce: Because if you take young children and from when they're

  • small children watching shows about dinosaurs pour into them

  • this idea of billions of years have always been around and then

  • line up things and pretend that it all made itself, and it's all

  • they ever hear, we could become blinded to any other

  • possibility.

  • That's what's so dangerous about our American education.

  • It's become indoctrination.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • How about the Grand Canyon.

  • I know that took millions of years to develop.

  • I want to see his answer when we come back.

  • We'll be right back to It's Supernatural!

  • We now return to It's Supernatural!

  • Sid: You know, my wife is so fascinated by what you're

  • teaching.

  • She's saying, if you lived in Charlotte, she'd go to lunch

  • once a week with you.

  • But what about mutations?

  • Isn't that a way of creating new types of species and things?

  • Bruce: Well everybody hears about mutations.

  • But mutations destroy information.

  • And DNA, what creates our body is this code and it's like

  • randomly changing the letters in a book.

  • It destroys the information.

  • It won't create a better book.

  • It destroys information.

  • Let me give an example.

  • For about a hundred years, we've taken fruit flies, we put them

  • in a chamber and we added radiation to the, X-rays, and

  • they mutate, and the next generation has mutations.

  • So we think by doing this with millions of fruit flies Sid:

  • What kind of mutations?

  • Bruce: It's changing the information on their DNA code.

  • But what you get are fruit flies with different colors, fruit

  • flies with twisted wings, fruit flies with different numbers of

  • bristles, fruit flies with legs hanging out where their eyeballs

  • ought to be.

  • We've never gotten a new creature.

  • We've never gotten a new organ.

  • We've never gotten a new functioning feature.

  • We've never gotten anything that's useful.

  • That experiment shows mutations don't create new kind of

  • creatures.

  • Sid: So how come we're taught this on TV?

  • Bruce: Because if you don't want to believe God did it, you just

  • have to make up a story.

  • You got to come up with some way to explain where new information

  • comes from.

  • So they grabbed mutations and they ran with it.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Grand Canyon.

  • Magnificent.

  • Millions of years in the making.

  • You say different.

  • Bruce: The key event in the Bible to explain the world and

  • the way it looks is a worldwide flood.

  • This flood was real.

  • This entire globe was resurfaced.

  • There would have been rapid movement of the continents.

  • As the continents shoved together, it shoved up the

  • mountain chains almost a year after that flood started.

  • The water rushed off the surfaces of this newly laid down

  • sediment and rock layers that were filled with fossils.

  • That's where they came from.

  • That's how it fits into the Bible.

  • Well as this water was rushing away it carved out the Grand

  • Canyon very, very rapidly.

  • Sid: Give me an example as a scientist of this happening

  • rapidly, that you know of.

  • Bruce: Well there's a very modern example.

  • In Washington State, in 1980, Mt. St. Helen's

  • blew up.

  • It was a volcano where the whole top of the mountain slid down

  • into the valley.

  • Trillions of pounds of sediment were instantly pulverized and

  • turned into a fluid that flowed down into the valley.

  • When it happened it laid down new layers of rock up to 600

  • foot deep.

  • Later, water backed up.

  • Months later, it flushed through this area of this newly formed

  • rock layer that it flowed as a liquid, and we see these

  • perfectly horizontal scenes of sentiment formed in a matter of

  • minutes in this layer.

  • It shows how the layers of the earth form.

  • Not over millions of years, but very rapidly during this world

  • restructuring flood.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • You talk about a flood because the Bible talks about a flood.

  • But certainly there would be records of this flood in

  • different cultures all over.

  • Bruce: Well and that's exactly what we find.

  • I mean, you can go on the Internet and you can Google

  • flood stories, you'll come up with websites that list hundreds

  • of cultures that have a remembrance that there really

  • was a flood upon this planet.

  • Sid: How about Native Americans?

  • Tell me what you found out.

  • Bruce: Well I found just a phenomenal record from the

  • Delaware Indians.

  • They're one of the earliest American Indian tribes that

  • migrated through Alaska down across Canada, and then spread

  • out across the United States.

  • They have a record of where they believe everything came from

  • that exactly parallels the biblical account of creation.

  • The Great Spirit hovered over the waters and then he made

  • mankind, and the evil came into mankind and distorted things,

  • and deceived mankind.

  • But then they talk about a world covering deluge that came and

  • destroyed the entire globe.

  • This isn't the Bible.

  • This is a totally separate culture from the Bible.

  • Now see, all people spread out across this globe after this

  • flood.

  • The Egyptians, the Chinese, the Incas, the American Indians,

  • they spread out after the flood.

  • But they took with them a remembrance of this flood, and

  • that's exactly what we find.

  • Sid: Tell me about the seashells.

  • Bruce: We find seashells at the top of Mt. Everest.

  • Mt. Everest is 28,000 feet above sea level, and yet there are

  • fossilized seashells that high above sea level.

  • The reason they're there is because those mountains were

  • pushed up at the end of Noah's flood and they contained all of

  • these dead creatures that have been compacted into new rock

  • layers formed during this flood.

  • Sid: The Bible talks about, in addition to giving evidence as

  • to how things were created, because the evidence is from the

  • Creator.

  • It talks about in the last days there will be scoffers that

  • won't believe what God says.

  • Bruce: You're referring to Second Peter 3, Verse 3, it

  • says, "In the last days, scoffers will come.

  • Everything is continued as it has since our father fell

  • asleep."

  • In other words, slow, gradual processes explain everything.

  • That's the days we live in today.

  • We are living in what the Bible calls last days.

  • And then it says, "These scoffers will specifically say,

  • there was never creation out of water," a reference to God

  • created everything as He hovered over the waters of the deep and

  • there has never been an earth flooded by water.

  • The two signs in the last days will be a denial of creation and

  • a denial of a worldwide flood.

  • That's exactly what the academic community is doing to all over

  • our children as we send them through the public education

  • system.

  • Sid: But God says, in the last days, He'll give us a sign.

  • It will be like the "days of Noah".

  • What do you believe he meant?

  • Bruce: Well Jesus said these words.

  • He said, "It will be as in the days of Noah before I return."

  • There was a monument to a coming judgment called "Noah's Ark"

  • towering above all mankind in the days of Noah.

  • I believe we are very close to finding Noah's ark locked in ice

  • at the top of Mt. Ararat,

  • a boat big enough to put every species of mammal, bird

  • and amphibian in that boat, locked at the top of one of the

  • highest mountains on this planet.

  • What better sign could there be that these rock layers are not

  • very, very old.

  • They were laid down by this flood only about 4500 years ago.

  • Sid: And according to information that I have and that

  • you've seen, we're about ready to see that.

  • There's so many sightings.

  • Bruce: There have been sightings from the early 1900s on up, and

  • we now have satellites that can see through ice, that have seen

  • an object in that ice that looks very much like Noah's ark.

  • Sid: But how could the ark, I often wonder, how could the ark

  • hold so many animals?

  • Bruce: Well the better question is, why is there a boat that big

  • locked on top of this mountain, you know 14,000 feet above sea

  • level?

  • It's big enough to hold every species of mammal, every species

  • of bird, every species of amphibian that's ever been alive

  • on this planet in only about half the space of the ark.

  • Sid: If it was ready to rain and God told you a flood was coming,

  • would you get in an ark?

  • Would you build an ark?

  • I would.

  • You would.

  • The ark has already come.

  • The ark has a name.

  • His name is Jesus.

  • Bruce: Amen.

  • Sid: You're either in Jesus or out of him.

  • Choose this day who you will serve.

  • But as for me and my house, we're going serve the Living

  • God.

  • Make Jesus your Messiah and Lord.

  • You repent and the life of God will touch your spirit and it

  • will become alive to God.

  • And God says a miracle will happen.

  • He will remember your sins no more and you will be able to

  • communicate with the Living God.

  • You will hear His voice.

  • This is what you need now.

  • Sid: Next week on It's Supernatural!

  • My guest heard from God about the last outpouring of miracles

  • before Jesus comes.

  • And he heard from God that many, if they don't do what God is

  • going to explain to you, will miss this great outpouring of

  • miracles.

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