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  • For a really long time,

  • I had two mysteries that were hanging over me.

  • I didn't understand them

  • and, to be honest, I was quite afraid to look into them.

  • The first mystery was, I'm 40 years old,

  • and all throughout my lifetime, year after year,

  • serious depression and anxiety have risen,

  • in the United States, in Britain,

  • and across the Western world.

  • And I wanted to understand why.

  • Why is this happening to us?

  • Why is it that with each year that passes,

  • more and more of us are finding it harder to get through the day?

  • And I wanted to understand this because of a more personal mystery.

  • When I was a teenager,

  • I remember going to my doctor

  • and explaining that I had this feeling, like pain was leaking out of me.

  • I couldn't control it,

  • I didn't understand why it was happening,

  • I felt quite ashamed of it.

  • And my doctor told me a story

  • that I now realize was well-intentioned,

  • but quite oversimplified.

  • Not totally wrong.

  • My doctor said, "We know why people get like this.

  • Some people just naturally get a chemical imbalance in their heads --

  • you're clearly one of them.

  • All we need to do is give you some drugs,

  • it will get your chemical balance back to normal."

  • So I started taking a drug called Paxil or Seroxat,

  • it's the same thing with different names in different countries.

  • And I felt much better, I got a real boost.

  • But not very long afterwards,

  • this feeling of pain started to come back.

  • So I was given higher and higher doses

  • until, for 13 years, I was taking the maximum possible dose

  • that you're legally allowed to take.

  • And for a lot of those 13 years, and pretty much all the time by the end,

  • I was still in a lot of pain.

  • And I started asking myself, "What's going on here?

  • Because you're doing everything

  • you're told to do by the story that's dominating the culture --

  • why do you still feel like this?"

  • So to get to the bottom of these two mysteries,

  • for a book that I've written

  • I ended up going on a big journey all over the world,

  • I traveled over 40,000 miles.

  • I wanted to sit with the leading experts in the world

  • about what causes depression and anxiety

  • and crucially, what solves them,

  • and people who have come through depression and anxiety

  • and out the other side in all sorts of ways.

  • And I learned a huge amount

  • from the amazing people I got to know along the way.

  • But I think at the heart of what I learned is,

  • so far, we have scientific evidence

  • for nine different causes of depression and anxiety.

  • Two of them are indeed in our biology.

  • Your genes can make you more sensitive to these problems,

  • though they don't write your destiny.

  • And there are real brain changes that can happen when you become depressed

  • that can make it harder to get out.

  • But most of the factors that have been proven

  • to cause depression and anxiety

  • are not in our biology.

  • They are factors in the way we live.

  • And once you understand them,

  • it opens up a very different set of solutions

  • that should be offered to people

  • alongside the option of chemical antidepressants.

  • For example,

  • if you're lonely, you're more likely to become depressed.

  • If, when you go to work, you don't have any control over your job,

  • you've just got to do what you're told,

  • you're more likely to become depressed.

  • If you very rarely get out into the natural world,

  • you're more likely to become depressed.

  • And one thing unites a lot of the causes of depression and anxiety

  • that I learned about.

  • Not all of them, but a lot of them.

  • Everyone here knows

  • you've all got natural physical needs, right?

  • Obviously.

  • You need food, you need water,

  • you need shelter, you need clean air.

  • If I took those things away from you,

  • you'd all be in real trouble, real fast.

  • But at the same time,

  • every human being has natural psychological needs.

  • You need to feel you belong.

  • You need to feel your life has meaning and purpose.

  • You need to feel that people see you and value you.

  • You need to feel you've got a future that makes sense.

  • And this culture we built is good at lots of things.

  • And many things are better than in the past --

  • I'm glad to be alive today.

  • But we've been getting less and less good

  • at meeting these deep, underlying psychological needs.

  • And it's not the only thing that's going on,

  • but I think it's the key reason why this crisis keeps rising and rising.

  • And I found this really hard to absorb.

  • I really wrestled with the idea

  • of shifting from thinking of my depression as just a problem in my brain,

  • to one with many causes,

  • including many in the way we're living.

  • And it only really began to fall into place for me

  • when one day, I went to interview a South African psychiatrist

  • named Dr. Derek Summerfield.

  • He's a great guy.

  • And Dr. Summerfield happened to be in Cambodia in 2001,

  • when they first introduced chemical antidepressants

  • for people in that country.

  • And the local doctors, the Cambodians, had never heard of these drugs,

  • so they were like, what are they?

  • And he explained.

  • And they said to him,

  • "We don't need them, we've already got antidepressants."

  • And he was like, "What do you mean?"

  • He thought they were going to talk about some kind of herbal remedy,

  • like St. John's Wort, ginkgo biloba, something like that.

  • Instead, they told him a story.

  • There was a farmer in their community who worked in the rice fields.

  • And one day, he stood on a land mine

  • left over from the war with the United States,

  • and he got his leg blown off.

  • So they him an artificial leg,

  • and after a while, he went back to work in the rice fields.

  • But apparently, it's super painful to work under water

  • when you've got an artificial limb,

  • and I'm guessing it was pretty traumatic

  • to go back and work in the field where he got blown up.

  • The guy started to cry all day,

  • he refused to get out of bed,

  • he developed all the symptoms of classic depression.

  • The Cambodian doctor said,

  • "This is when we gave him an antidepressant."

  • And Dr. Summerfield said, "What was it?"

  • They explained that they went and sat with him.

  • They listened to him.

  • They realized that his pain made sense --

  • it was hard for him to see it in the throes of his depression,

  • but actually, it had perfectly understandable causes in his life.

  • One of the doctors, talking to the people in the community, figured,

  • "You know, if we bought this guy a cow,

  • he could become a dairy farmer,

  • he wouldn't be in this position that was screwing him up so much,

  • he wouldn't have to go and work in the rice fields."

  • So they bought him a cow.

  • Within a couple of weeks, his crying stopped,

  • within a month, his depression was gone.

  • They said to doctor Summerfield,

  • "So you see, doctor, that cow, that was an antidepressant,

  • that's what you mean, right?"

  • (Laughter)

  • (Applause)

  • If you'd been raised to think about depression the way I was,

  • and most of the people here were,

  • that sounds like a bad joke, right?

  • "I went to my doctor for an antidepressant,

  • she gave me a cow."

  • But what those Cambodian doctors knew intuitively,

  • based on this individual, unscientific anecdote,

  • is what the leading medical body in the world,

  • the World Health Organization,

  • has been trying to tell us for years,

  • based on the best scientific evidence.

  • If you're depressed,

  • if you're anxious,

  • you're not weak, you're not crazy,

  • you're not, in the main, a machine with broken parts.

  • You're a human being with unmet needs.

  • And it's just as important to think here about what those Cambodian doctors

  • and the World Health Organization are not saying.

  • They did not say to this farmer,

  • "Hey, buddy, you need to pull yourself together.

  • It's your job to figure out and fix this problem on your own."

  • On the contrary, what they said is,

  • "We're here as a group to pull together with you,

  • so together, we can figure out and fix this problem."

  • This is what every depressed person needs,

  • and it's what every depressed person deserves.

  • This is why one of the leading doctors at the United Nations,

  • in their official statement for World Health Day,

  • couple of years back in 2017,

  • said we need to talk less about chemical imbalances

  • and more about the imbalances in the way we live.

  • Drugs give real relief to some people --

  • they gave relief to me for a while --

  • but precisely because this problem goes deeper than their biology,

  • the solutions need to go much deeper, too.

  • But when I first learned that,

  • I remember thinking,

  • "OK, I could see all the scientific evidence,

  • I read a huge number of studies,

  • I interviewed a huge number of the experts who were explaining this,"

  • but I kept thinking, "How can we possibly do that?"

  • The things that are making us depressed

  • are in most cases more complex than what was going on

  • with this Cambodian farmer.

  • Where do we even begin with that insight?

  • But then, in the long journey for my book,

  • all over the world,

  • I kept meeting people who were doing exactly that,

  • from Sydney, to San Francisco,

  • to São Paulo.

  • I kept meeting people who were understanding

  • the deeper causes of depression and anxiety

  • and, as groups, fixing them.

  • Obviously, I can't tell you about all the amazing people

  • I got to know and wrote about,

  • or all of the nine causes of depression and anxiety that I learned about,

  • because they won't let me give a 10-hour TED Talk --

  • you can complain about that to them.

  • But I want to focus on two of the causes

  • and two of the solutions that emerge from them, if that's alright.

  • Here's the first.

  • We are the loneliest society in human history.

  • There was a recent study that asked Americans,

  • "Do you feel like you're no longer close to anyone?"

  • And 39 percent of people said that described them.

  • "No longer close to anyone."

  • In the international measurements of loneliness,

  • Britain and the rest of Europe are just behind the US,

  • in case anyone here is feeling smug.

  • (Laughter)

  • I spent a lot of time discussing this

  • with the leading expert in the world on loneliness,

  • an incredible man named professor John Cacioppo,

  • who was at Chicago,

  • and I thought a lot about one question his work poses to us.

  • Professor Cacioppo asked,

  • "Why do we exist?

  • Why are we here, why are we alive?"

  • One key reason

  • is that our ancestors on the savannas of Africa

  • were really good at one thing.

  • They weren't bigger than the animals they took down a lot of the time,

  • they weren't faster than the animals they took down a lot of the time,

  • but they were much better at banding together into groups

  • and cooperating.

  • This was our superpower as a species --

  • we band together,

  • just like bees evolved to live in a hive,

  • humans evolved to live in a tribe.

  • And we are the first humans ever

  • to disband our tribes.

  • And it is making us feel awful.

  • But it doesn't have to be this way.

  • One of the heroes in my book, and in fact, in my life,

  • is a doctor named Sam Everington.

  • He's a general practitioner in a poor part of East London,

  • where I lived for many years.

  • And Sam was really uncomfortable,

  • because he had loads of patients

  • coming to him with terrible depression and anxiety.

  • And like me, he's not opposed to chemical antidepressants,

  • he thinks they give some relief to some people.

  • But he could see two things.

  • Firstly, his patients were depressed and anxious a lot of the time

  • for totally understandable reasons, like loneliness.

  • And secondly, although the drugs were giving some relief to some people,

  • for many people, they didn't solve the problem.

  • The underlying problem.

  • One day, Sam decided to pioneer a different approach.

  • A woman came to his center, his medical center,

  • called Lisa Cunningham.

  • I got to know Lisa later.

  • And Lisa had been shut away in her home with crippling depression and anxiety

  • for seven years.

  • And when she came to Sam's center, she was told, "Don't worry,

  • we'll carry on giving you these drugs,

  • but we're also going to prescribe something else.

  • We're going to prescribe for you to come here to this center twice a week

  • to meet with a group of other depressed and anxious people,

  • not to talk about how miserable you are,

  • but to figure out something meaningful you can all do together

  • so you won't be lonely and you won't feel like life is pointless."

  • The first time this group met,

  • Lisa literally started vomiting with anxiety,

  • it was so overwhelming for her.

  • But people rubbed her back, the group started talking,

  • they were like, "What could we do?"

  • These are inner-city, East London people like me,

  • they didn't know anything about gardening.

  • They were like, "Why don't we learn gardening?"

  • There was an area behind the doctors' offices

  • that was just scrubland.

  • "Why don't we make this into a garden?"

  • They started to take books out of the library,

  • started to watch YouTube clips.

  • They started to get their fingers in the soil.

  • They started to learn the rhythms of the seasons.

  • There's a lot of evidence

  • that exposure to the natural world

  • is a really powerful antidepressant.

  • But they started to do something even more important.

  • They started to form a tribe.

  • They started to form a group.

  • They started to care about each other.

  • If one of them didn't show up,

  • the others would go looking for them -- "Are you OK?"

  • Help them figure out what was troubling them that day.

  • The way Lisa put it to me,

  • "As the garden began to bloom,

  • we began to bloom."

  • This approach is called social prescribing,

  • it's spreading all over Europe.

  • And there's a small, but growing body of evidence

  • suggesting it can produce real and meaningful falls

  • in depression and anxiety.

  • And one day, I remember standing in the garden

  • that Lisa and her once-depressed friends had built --

  • it's a really beautiful garden --

  • and having this thought,

  • it's very much inspired by a guy called professor Hugh Mackay in Australia.

  • I was thinking, so often when people feel down in this culture,

  • what we say to them -- I'm sure everyone here said it, I have --

  • we say, "You just need to be you, be yourself."

  • And I've realized, actually, what we should say to people is,

  • "Don't be you.

  • Don't be yourself.

  • Be us, be we.

  • Be part of a group."

  • (Applause)

  • The solution to these problems

  • does not lie in drawing more and more on your resources

  • as an isolated individual --

  • that's partly what got us in this crisis.

  • It lies on reconnecting with something bigger than you.

  • And that really connects to one of the other causes

  • of depression and anxiety that I wanted to talk to you about.

  • So everyone knows

  • junk food has taken over our diets and made us physically sick.

  • I don't say that with any sense of superiority,

  • I literally came to give this talk from McDonald's.

  • I saw all of you eating that healthy TED breakfast, I was like no way.

  • But just like junk food has taken over our diets and made us physically sick,

  • a kind of junk values have taken over our minds

  • and made us mentally sick.

  • For thousands of years, philosophers have said,

  • if you think life is about money, and status and showing off,

  • you're going to feel like crap.

  • That's not an exact quote from Schopenhauer,

  • but that is the gist of what he said.

  • But weirdly, hardy anyone had scientifically investigated this,

  • until a truly extraordinary person I got to know, named professor Tim Kasser,

  • who's at Knox College in Illinois,

  • and he's been researching this for about 30 years now.

  • And his research suggests several really important things.

  • Firstly, the more you believe

  • you can buy and display your way out of sadness,

  • and into a good life,

  • the more likely you are to become depressed and anxious.

  • And secondly,

  • as a society, we have become much more driven by these beliefs.

  • All throughout my lifetime,

  • under the weight of advertising and Instagram and everything like them.

  • And as I thought about this,

  • I realized it's like we've all been fed since birth, a kind of KFC for the soul.

  • We've been trained to look for happiness in all the wrong places,

  • and just like junk food doesn't meet your nutritional needs

  • and actually makes you feel terrible,

  • junk values don't meet your psychological needs,

  • and they take you away from a good life.

  • But when I first spent time with professor Kasser

  • and I was learning all this,

  • I felt a really weird mixture of emotions.

  • Because on the one hand, I found this really challenging.

  • I could see how often in my own life, when I felt down,

  • I tried to remedy it with some kind of show-offy, grand external solution.

  • And I could see why that did not work well for me.

  • I also thought, isn't this kind of obvious?

  • Isn't this almost like banal, right?

  • If I said to everyone here,

  • none of you are going to lie on your deathbed

  • and think about all the shoes you bought and all the retweets you got,

  • you're going to think about moments

  • of love, meaning and connection in your life.

  • I think that seems almost like a cliché.

  • But I kept talking to professor Kasser and saying,

  • "Why am I feeling this strange doubleness?"

  • And he said, "At some level, we all know these things.

  • But in this culture, we don't live by them."

  • We know them so well they've become clichés,

  • but we don't live by them.

  • I kept asking why, why would we know something so profound,

  • but not live by it?

  • And after a while, professor Kasser said to me,

  • "Because we live in a machine

  • that is designed to get us to neglect what is important about life."

  • I had to really think about that.

  • "Because we live in a machine

  • that is designed to get us to neglect what is important about life."

  • And professor Kasser wanted to figure out if we can disrupt that machine.

  • He's done loads of research into this;

  • I'll tell you about one example,

  • and I really urge everyone here to try this with their friends and family.

  • With a guy called Nathan Dungan, he got a group of teenagers and adults

  • to come together for a series of sessions over a period of time, to meet up.

  • And part of the point of the group

  • was to get people to think about a moment in their life

  • they had actually found meaning and purpose.

  • For different people, it was different things.

  • For some people, it was playing music, writing, helping someone --

  • I'm sure everyone here can picture something, right?

  • And part of the point of the group was to get people to ask,

  • "OK, how could you dedicate more of your life

  • to pursuing these moments of meaning and purpose,

  • and less to, I don't know, buying crap you don't need,

  • putting it on social media and trying to get people to go,

  • 'OMG, so jealous!'"

  • And what they found was,

  • just having these meetings,

  • it was like a kind of Alcoholics Anonymous for consumerism, right?

  • Getting people to have these meetings, articulate these values,

  • determine to act on them and check in with each other,

  • led to a marked shift in people's values.

  • It took them away from this hurricane of depression-generating messages

  • training us to seek happiness in the wrong places,

  • and towards more meaningful and nourishing values

  • that lift us out of depression.

  • But with all the solutions that I saw and have written about,

  • and many I can't talk about here,

  • I kept thinking,

  • you know: Why did it take me so long to see these insights?

  • Because when you explain them to people --

  • some of them are more complicated, but not all --

  • when you explain this to people, it's not like rocket science, right?

  • At some level, we already know these things.

  • Why do we find it so hard to understand?

  • I think there's many reasons.

  • But I think one reason is that we have to change our understanding

  • of what depression and anxiety actually are.

  • There are very real biological contributions

  • to depression and anxiety.

  • But if we allow the biology to become the whole picture,

  • as I did for so long,

  • as I would argue our culture has done pretty much most of my life,

  • what we're implicitly saying to people is, and this isn't anyone's intention,

  • but what we're implicitly saying to people is,

  • "Your pain doesn't mean anything.

  • It's just a malfunction.

  • It's like a glitch in a computer program,

  • it's just a wiring problem in your head."

  • But I was only able to start changing my life

  • when I realized your depression is not a malfunction.

  • It's a signal.

  • Your depression is a signal.

  • It's telling you something.

  • (Applause)

  • We feel this way for reasons,

  • and they can be hard to see in the throes of depression --

  • I understand that really well from personal experience.

  • But with the right help, we can understand these problems

  • and we can fix these problems together.

  • But to do that,

  • the very first step

  • is we have to stop insulting these signals

  • by saying they're a sign of weakness, or madness or purely biological,

  • except for a tiny number of people.

  • We need to start listening to these signals,

  • because they're telling us something we really need to hear.

  • It's only when we truly listen to these signals,

  • and we honor these signals and respect these signals,

  • that we're going to begin to see

  • the liberating, nourishing, deeper solutions.

  • The cows that are waiting all around us.

  • Thank you.

  • (Applause)

For a really long time,

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