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  • this is Robin Koerner and I am speaking to Andrew Yang presidential candidate

  • for 2020 running with a D after his name and thank you for being on

  • the show with me I really appreciate it thanks for having me Robin I appreciate

  • the opportunity awesome awesome well you are the first

  • presidential candidate of this 2020 cycle that I've spoken to hopefully not

  • the last but I am I'm thrilled to be starting with you I've been looking

  • at some of your your stuff you know some the interviews you've done your website

  • and there's lots of genuinely interesting ideas that I'm hearing from

  • you and as I mentioned to you before you don't seem to be in one of the

  • boring ideological boxes that so many of our politicians are in right now in the

  • United States so you know that's exciting for me so now I also said to

  • you before I hit record that I wasn't gonna just go over the same things that

  • everybody else is going over with you and ask you all the same questions but

  • the first one will be a common question which is give us the one paragraph bio

  • of Andrew Yang sure I'm a serial entrepreneur and problem solver I spent

  • the last six and a half years helping create several thousand jobs in Detroit

  • Cleveland Baltimore Birmingham and I'm convinced that where the the midst of

  • the greatest economic and technological transformation in the history of the

  • country the reason why Donald Trump's our

  • president today is because we automated away four million manufacturing jobs in

  • the swing states so imagine being the guy who's getting accolades and medals

  • for creating thousands of jobs realizing that you're pouring water into

  • a bathtub there's a giant hole ripped in the bottom and that's that's really my

  • narrative in a nutshell which is that I'm the guy who spent six and a half

  • years helping create thousands of jobs around the United States so let me ask

  • why are you running with that D after your name what's your relationship with

  • the democratic the democratic party your philosophy you know it's an interesting

  • question I mean I ensure that running as a Democrats the right thing to do on

  • multiple levels one is that the mechanics of running for president

  • necessitate that you run as while someone who's part of the major

  • one of the major parties unless you're a billionaire and can fund a third party

  • move that's probably just gonna be doomed to fail anyway so the American

  • political system necessitates that you run as either democrat or republican and

  • I line up with the Democrats and most every policy sense around things like

  • reproductive rights and you know some of the other social issues like lesbian gay

  • bisexual transsexual you know like rights and everything else and so

  • running as a Democrat was a very natural decision for me I was an honorary

  • ambassador in the Obama White House so many friends okay so you have you're

  • somewhat connected in the party then at quite a high level yeah I and I many

  • friends in the Democratic Party as well so I'm certainly much more connected

  • among Democrats that I am Republicans all right well that makes sense so since

  • you're running for president um what do you see as the role of the president

  • fundamentally and I should point out that I'm sitting here with the

  • Constitution behind me so the right answer is actually on the wall behind me

  • but what do you feel is is the role of the president well you know it's really

  • funny you asked that Robin because I think the role of the president has

  • morphed over time and it's just grown and grown and become this kind of like

  • massive set of responsibilities that are well beyond what was originally intended

  • so as one example I heard that there was a period when the president just walked

  • into a room and then everyone would notice that he was there until someone

  • said you know what that's unacceptable we have to play this song every time you

  • walk into a room you imagine that happening the houses of topics in

  • different ways where the president went from being in many ways like a first

  • among equals in like a relatively egalitarian society that it consciously

  • is stewed oil tea to now it's become this giant potentate ceremonial figure

  • as well as the person who's meant to execute the

  • of the country which is the original intent and so one of my goals actually

  • is to try and make the presidency itself more manageable and so one of the ideas

  • I have had is to appoint a head of the culture who will handle pardoning

  • turkeys and congratulating sports teams and doing things that strike me as not

  • really great uses of time and so I would appoint either Oprah or The Rock or Joe

  • Rogan and then they would just be their own things and then everyone would win

  • because most Americans would rather meet them than me anyway and so I'd be doing

  • something else and we'll see what else we could process out there are a few

  • things we could do that I think would simplify the job of the President yeah

  • you know as a Brit by birth you know I come from a land with a

  • constitutional monarchy and it is a shame to me that the American president

  • signs more executive orders than all the kings of England going back for you know

  • 400 years we have a ceremonial monarch and we keep it separate from politics

  • and I think there's a lot to be said for that but here it's almost like you vote

  • for a king for four or eight years and that is problematic so your point is

  • well-taken now you've got some really big interesting ideas on on your

  • website that you're that you're running on you're putting out front and center I

  • would like to kind of prime you into them by asking you to tell me about two

  • things citizens as shareholders and bad

  • numbers and they're kind of related so talk to me about I do or both yeah so as

  • you know Robin one of my key ideas is that America should have a dividend for

  • all citizens now $1,000 a month called the freedom dividend and this has been

  • an idea that's been with us since the founding of the country Thomas Paine was

  • for it originally and in Martin Luther King was for it Milton Friedman was for

  • it it passed the House of Representatives twice in 1971 under

  • Nixon and then Alaska adopted it 37 years ago so right

  • American citizens feel like our democracy has been lost to us because

  • now it's just been overrun by money and you're these giant moneyed interests

  • that are taking control of the whole apparatus and so one way to

  • counterbalance that is to make us the citizens the owners and shareholders and

  • beneficiaries of our society again and the best way to do that would be to

  • declare a dividend in terms of bad numbers right now we're being guided by

  • GDP and stock market prices and headline unemployment all of which

  • are deeply flawed and problematic and misleading where GDP is at record highs

  • but also at record highs are suicides drug overdoses mental health problems

  • and the American life expectancy has declined for the last three years

  • because of a surge in deaths of despair the last time the American life

  • expectancy decline for three years in a row was the Spanish flu of 1918 so we're

  • actually in Spanish flu territory and so if you rely upon GDP as your guideposts

  • and you think everything's going great but if you rely upon more basic human

  • measurements like how long we're living how healthy we are how mentally healthy

  • we are how free of drugs we are we are falling apart

  • so we are using the wrong numbers and we need to start using the right ones to

  • see how we're doing and make progress now one of the things that seems to be a

  • fundamental flow of pretty much everything the government does today is

  • it passes a law and obviously a law stands in perpetuity unless somebody

  • comes and you know repeals it or voc's it and they do so without mention of

  • success or failure metrics there's no Sun setting of anything based on success

  • or failure um with particular reference to your freedom dividend which is akin

  • to what most people know as a universal basic income which I know you want to

  • set it $1,000 what would be the success and failure

  • metrics how would you know this is made helped to make the changes you want a

  • American society well if you look at the Alaska petroleum dividend it's created

  • thousands of jobs made children healthier

  • decreased income inequality and it's wildly popular in a deeply conservative

  • state so if you saw those things happen in a population and everyone was excited

  • about the dividend then you'd probably think it was successful and certainly

  • when we're similar things have been implemented in other locations you see

  • an increase in physical health nutrition mental health graduation rates trust in

  • others relationships like everything gets better but you know this is a

  • democracy and so you'd have to rely upon people's desires and affirmations and so

  • if we do it and everyone loves it and it's probably working now that's in

  • that's interesting I'm wondering now if that's true um I noticed on your website

  • and correct me if I'm wrong I think I saw this in website that you're

  • interested that you promote Medicare for all full single-payer health is that

  • right yeah that's right we need to have a robust public option in the u.s.

  • because right now we're spending twice as much as other countries to worse

  • results and it's breaking the back so many of families and businesses every

  • day okay so again coming from Britain not

  • only do we have a monarchy we have the another institution which is the only

  • institution more popular than the monarchy in Britain which is the

  • National Health Service and I believe it's the second biggest employer in the

  • world after the the Chinese army right and it is socialized medicine top to

  • bottom now I've written about this and I certainly agree that the American system

  • is is a nightmare and this may shock some of the people that follow me but if

  • I had to choose between the American system and the single-payer system in

  • the UK just based on results right now and having lived with both I would prefer

  • the British system which seems to be more honest apart from anything else but

  • what you know I've thought about this and I think there's an argument for

  • having the free market work at the nut that the 90 percent of Medicare of

  • medical of health issues that aren't a catastrophic so where you would create

  • moral hazard if you were to have government pay for it all but then

  • you socialize the catastrophic the high-risk end of the curve if you like

  • right in Britain where we haven't done that where we've socialized it top to

  • bottom we have massive problems of cost not as bad as America but that's a

  • different discussion we have but we have you know huge cost pressures and we also

  • have this difficulty that it's hard to make good changes that favor health

  • outcomes because all practical discussions become highly politicized

  • because the whole thing that all healthcare is a political debate right

  • how do you you know how do you deal with those concerns when you're talking about

  • single-payer system you know I really like the idea of socializing the

  • catastrophic conditions I mean that that really is the problem in our system

  • where significant proportion of the expenses in the United States are spent

  • on the last year or two of life and various extreme situations and so that

  • is one change that we can make that would address a significant proportion

  • of the the cost issues in the US and one thing I would say is going to happen in

  • the u.s. that might address some of what you're discussing is that there's going

  • to be some gold-plated private concierge service in parallel to the public option

  • because it's America and you know that Google and the gang they're going to

  • have some like crazy concierge health care service and so you'll still end up

  • having at least a certain degree of resources and innovation getting plowed

  • into addressing various conditions and procedures over time so I think the u.s.

  • might well one of the things I I know and one of the misconceptions is that

  • somehow we have to find the money for this we're already spending 18% of GDP

  • on healthcare it's it's it's incredibly excesses in the system yeah so at this

  • point there's almost nothing we could do that don't feel I could help but

  • bring the cost down relative what we're doing now now I know that you are a

  • successful entrepreneur and you have been you know some of the people who

  • have interviewed you they've heard about your universal basic income idea and

  • they've tried to slap the load labeled socialist on you and you know you you

  • deal with that you explain why that's that's wrong but given that but with

  • that in mind do you also agree with um kind of I guess part of the point that I

  • was making that if you allow the free market in the non-catastrophic part of

  • healthcare you get all the benefits of the marketplace operating just for this

  • just like the benefits that operate you know for people buying food and

  • groceries right you know you wouldn't want to have socialized food even though

  • it's just a so you know just as essential as healthcare right so I

  • guess what I'm getting at is you're not being a socialist does that not make you

  • favor the operations of the market in health care which is hugely important

  • domain in everybody's lives um where they can be effective yeah so I like for

  • example having patients have some kind of skin in the game some cost so that

  • like when you utilize services that like it's not like a zero cost which which

  • ends up but potentially having you use can consume services you didn't really

  • need because what happens in the UK definitely yeah so I think having some

  • market-based mechanism on that side is very very useful and helpful I do

  • think though that healthcare is a distinct market we're having some costs

  • associated with it is a plus and house introduced market efficiency but health

  • is just a different thing where like when you get sick you know like you're

  • not necessarily going to operate as like an efficient economic actor in all

  • things you're just gonna be like what is gonna make me better you know it's like

  • whatever it is like you know we have to and so in in many cases it's just

  • something that would benefit from certain market mechanisms but it's

  • very dissimilar for most other consumer markets and fundamental ways okay okay

  • well that's true enough okay so um going back then to the the universal basic

  • income the freedom dividend which you want to set at a thousand dollars a

  • month right I know that you've made the point that a lot of conservatives

  • they're obviously driven by reducing the desire to reduce government interference

  • in their lives and by having a no-strings-attached no-questions-asked

  • dividend thousand dollars a month you can in principle eliminate a lot of

  • government interference and judgment that comes with the welfare state and a

  • multitude of programs how does the ubi or the freedom dividend specifically how

  • would it enable us to do that like what would what would the Conservatives get

  • what would the libertarians get in terms of eliminated programs and eliminated

  • intrusion by the state so libertarians love this plan in part because it's been

  • championed by Milton Friedman who's a patron saint of conservative economists

  • so what libertarians and the conservatives hate is government

  • bureaucracy making avoidance decisions what they like is economic freedom and

  • autonomy and so if everyone's getting $1,000 a month then that lightens the

  • bureaucracy over time and it also creates much better incentives because

  • if I get this dividend regardless if I do better I get to keep it but it's I

  • don't have some disincentive to work I don't have some distance either to

  • improve my station and over time you would see a shrinkage

  • among the enrollments of traditional welfare programs because there'd be more

  • people that would prefer the thousand dollars cash and I would suggest that

  • virtually no one is in love with 126 welfare programs that exist in the

  • United States I mean they're like it's the whole hodgepodge patchwork and there

  • are some very perverse incentives attached to many of them where if you

  • you know it's like there there's a friend's sister on disability who said

  • that she couldn't volunteer for a nonprofit because she was afraid that

  • she'd lose her disability benefits just like stays at home and I would

  • suggest that's a loser for everybody I mean obviously she should be

  • volunteering we thought something that she feels she can do so so for

  • conservatives it's the the thing that I think frustrates the heck out of most

  • conservatives is this thought that the government is just going to take in more

  • money it's going to disappear into the pipes into the bureaucracy whereas in

  • this case the money's going into your hands then you think like wow this is

  • like the best thing the government's actually ever done because it was my

  • money anyway and it was your money anyway you are correct about that

  • that's the reason why Alaska has been the one state to implement this in the

  • US and it was a Republican governor deep red state that made it happen

  • so there are very very powerful conservative ideas behind this how could

  • you unless laid it in such a way that you could say to the American people

  • here's $1,000 a month I'm gonna let you spend this thousand dollars a month

  • rather than the government spend it for you if you were to introduce it that way

  • how could you introduce it you know to implement the the freedom dividend at

  • the same time that you remove you know the government's ability to spend that

  • money on your behalf cuz I get that you can make the choice

  • but you could give someone a welfare as a choice but if you were gonna like make

  • it a political slam dunk you'd need to give the Conservatives or the

  • libertarians okay yeah we're going to transfer we're gonna change who spends

  • the money rather than spend more money I really like that that's a good thing

  • it's certainly the case that mean right now if you're a conservative or

  • libertarian you're like well in this new world I get a thousand bucks a month and

  • in the old world what am I getting from the government that I can actually rely

  • upon it's like well in theory I'm getting all these security benefits and

  • and you know it's like the legal protections and regimes and fire

  • protection and all this other stuff but there I'm sure most libertarians would

  • prefer the cash so it's not that you know like that I believe most people

  • would regard this as a significant improvement from the current government

  • allocation yeah I mean I would be really interested

  • if you had a few I guess you have folks you do policy you have like there may be

  • a legislative advisor director there how that could be formulated so that you

  • know you're not just here's the thing getting but here's the things being

  • taken away from the government departments that are inefficient and

  • spending it badly for you I'd love to see and I do want to lighten up a lot of

  • the inefficiencies in government I mean everyone in America knows that we have a

  • lot of excesses in our government bureaucracy at this point yeah yeah oh

  • sure okay so let's talk about government spending

  • the flip side of that coin government revenue let's talk about taxation

  • because I know you've got an interesting point to make about getting some of say

  • big tech and to pay as I guess you would call it their fair share into our

  • society so talk a little bit about that and then I also want to ask you can we

  • not apply the same principle to the extremely privileged domain of Finance

  • corporate finance the big banks where there are actual legal privileges that

  • these folks get to exercise to do things with money that if you or I did them

  • would be criminal but basically guarantee a transfer of value to people

  • that have make anything but just financialized things yeah so my idea to

  • finance the dividend is to have a value-added tax that would fall on the

  • Amazons and googles of the world and you probably saw the headlines that Amazon

  • paid zero in federal taxes of 2018 despite record profits and that's not

  • Amazon's fault that's our fault you know if we have a system that they can game

  • around that easily maybe we should upgrade our system so

  • the value-added tax would get us billions tens of billions of dollars

  • from the Amazon's of the world and it would put us in position to hopefully

  • again spread that bounty to ordinary citizens and the value-added tax would

  • also reign in some of the excesses of the financial institutions the finer

  • institutions are definitely co-opted our economy in many ways but the thing we

  • have to escape is this was zero-sum game thinking because

  • in many ways again I feel like it's our fault we're like if you have this system

  • and these people game the heck out of it again that's our fallin out there is I

  • mean you know we just need to do a better job of harvesting the games from

  • these activities to the public what do you think about the Tobin tax could you

  • clarify the Tobin tax is the idea of where you've got financial transactions purely

  • financial transactions very large sums it's a basically financial speculation

  • maybe yeah kind of currency speculation things like that where there's billions

  • tens hundreds of billions top line change hands and being traded and the

  • margins are small for the banks that are doing it but the profits are huge and

  • the Tobin tax takes a tiny sliver of each transaction so where you've got

  • also algorithmic stock trading for example I'm a fan of taxes that help

  • harvest the gains from all of these computer algorithmic trading mechanisms

  • that you're taking like a fraction of a penny and you do that million times

  • because what real economic value is getting generated they're really nothing

  • you just sort of like extracting some revenue out of the system same thing

  • with like firms that are literally investing and having faster connections

  • and pipes to the trading floors where it's like oh if I get in there I just

  • have like the fastest signal then I can front-running by computers by like a you

  • know like a hundredth of a second and then hundredths of a second is worth

  • millions of dollars and then that's that's your business I mean like is that

  • helped and so I'm for a Tobin tax type toll on speculation that really has nothing

  • but financial motivations okay so between the vit and maybe attacks like

  • the Tobin tax do you see this as having a positive impact on government revenue

  • are you actually trying to raise more money or are we going to see offsetting

  • benefits so for example I particularly hate the payroll tax I just kind of on

  • principle know the payroll tax in a way does not make any sense because we

  • should be trying to discourage any type of

  • labor a labor type arrangement so you you would be looking to more

  • comprehensively maybe reform our tax system so if we make value-added tax but

  • we can drop some of the others yeah yeah I would be in favor of that sort of

  • reform and trade overtime so there are things like that the u.s. we need to do

  • all everything in our power so we need to spend more effectively we need to

  • generate revenue more effectively we need to become more efficient in various

  • ways I mean at this point we have this legacy kludgy system that is you know on

  • the verge of frankly just like driving us into the ground and you have to

  • attack it from every angle yeah fair enough yeah that makes sense

  • let me change gears a little bit I haven't seen I'm sure you have been

  • asked about this but I haven't found that if you have yet

  • I'm rather concerned at be what seems to be something of a takeover of what I

  • call the cultural commanding Heights so the educate education the campuses and

  • the media by identitarian especially on the left people engaged in identity

  • politics but not absolutely on the left at all but I'm seeing that and as

  • someone that kind of cares about the founding principles I'm you know free speech

  • and you know I'm very much more committed to truth than to tribe and

  • that's one thing I like about you you seem to start with the way the world is

  • well your ideological box as I mentioned earlier deep do you see cause for

  • concern there with identity politics and the cultural commanding Heights and and

  • if so what do you do about it you know I think that my goal is to try and get

  • people focused on actionable solutions and so one of the things I suggest is

  • like you know what a thousand dollars a month would do it would help millions of

  • American women who are in exploitative or abusive jobs and relationships and

  • what's going to make a bigger difference to a set of people economic resources or

  • something else and then get people focused on the numbers and the reality

  • the economics because if you purport to be for certain social goals if we can

  • bring you in and say look they're more effective ways to reach those goals and

  • that should be a win so I'm with you in terms of a pursuit of

  • truth and impact and real solutions and I'm more of a numbers guy than a

  • feelings guy like I think the numbers drive the feelings overtime and so we

  • need to get the numbers right and then we'll have more of a lucky to be able to

  • address some other things okay I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of press a little bit on

  • this though there is there is a well-documented lack of intellectual

  • diversity in education in the United States now beyond anything we've seen in

  • history so example it's very hard to see self-identified conservatives or even

  • libertarians in a lot of disciplines so anything that's kind of your social

  • psychology for example but your history any of the literary disciplines now I

  • don't put words in your mouth but you're basically culturally liberal right I

  • think we have that in common you like diversity I mean I'm talking here to an

  • Asian man with, I believe, with Taiwanese background right there are

  • certain kinds of diversity in a society where we're rightly concerned with but

  • it seems the intellectual diversity if as that disappears we stop being able to

  • deal unbiasedly effectively with the numbers with the data and we end up kind

  • of you know coming off off of the tracks but that's my fear what are you saying

  • about what do you think about that I think that intellectual diversity is a

  • very positive thing and just about any setting particularly a setting that's

  • meant to shape the ideas of others that you know if you have culture that

  • promulgates really just like a single approach to the world over time that's

  • not going to be as productive or or constructive for the people that you're

  • meant to equip and train so you know it's like so I think your concern about

  • this is something that more and more people share and it's certainly

  • something that I think that many of these institutions should be attentive

  • to so maybe it would be fair to say that you want to begin to solve this by

  • example by not behaving or speaking in that way oh you know I mean what I say

  • is like you know I approach things the way I most naturally approach them and

  • but the goal is to lead by example and I will say there's a massive appetite for

  • this kind of discussion and approach and solutions and we can go very very far I

  • don't know if you saw this report called hidden tribes that came out a number of

  • months ago but it indicates that many people have very similar perspective to

  • the one you just shared you know I believe that's true and this is actually

  • in a way my cause for optimism I think kind of the extremist ideological even

  • identitarian pendulum has kind of swung as far as it will go more or less I

  • don't the exact maximum and what we're seeing now is folks like you

  • organizations like More in Common, Better Angels, Purple America there's lots of

  • organizations that are now the seeds of the reaction you might say - a better

  • way of conducting discourse of judging ideas without judging people all of that

  • kind of thing I agree we've come up with a nickname for this campaign it's the

  • revolution of reason and you know I think the revolution can go very very far

  • okay well here's hoping

  • now I mentioned your Taiwanese parentage right but if your parents are from

  • Taiwan is that correct yeah that's correct

  • um how old were you when you were, oh you were born in the United States though

  • right yeah how long before you were born did your parents come to the US well

  • they met in the mid 60's late 60s at Berkeley where they were both graduate

  • students then they had my brother in 1972 in San Francisco and then they

  • moved to Schenectady New York and I was born in 75

  • they were probably together for approximately six or seven years by the

  • time I was born and I'm guessing you're fluent Mandarin speaker you know I'm the

  • black sheep of the family I kept getting left back in Chinese school so my

  • Chinese is quite poor yeah nuff said nuff said okay so um this is a little

  • bit of an intro to something I'm really interested to ask you about it seems to

  • me that one of the biggest geopolitical issues that if we don't get right might

  • make all other discussions somewhat moot is the rise of China you know the the

  • sleeping dragon is no longer sleeping um and another reason why it's fun for me

  • to speak to you is that I've actually lived in Taiwan for a couple of years

  • and and I find that a lot of Westerners who live in Taiwan they really get

  • sometimes more passionate about Taiwanese independence or their right to

  • self-determination let's put it that way then a lot of Taiwanese um what is your

  • take on well let's let's I'm actually interested what do you think should be

  • Taiwan's future what's your what do you feel about the way it should try and go

  • I guess if you were there would you be voting for the you know DPP or the KMT

  • and how do we how do we deal in principle with the rise of China that

  • now seems to be coming so Orwellian with its um what they call it's social credit

  • system I mean it's actually it's terrifying to me as you know kind of a

  • Freeborn Western um in quotes how do you feel about that as some Chinese heritage

  • well I agree with you though it's one of the most important relationships to

  • navigate over time and that I think right now the US has a tendency to view

  • things as a zero-sum game where if China Rises that were somehow falling and and

  • it leads to it increase in tensions so that's what I think we need to try and

  • forestall avoid because it's impossible to manage the rise of AI and climate

  • change and various geopolitical hotspots like North Korea without some sort of

  • strong ties to China like it's just not going to have

  • so that one of the goals of my presidency will be to try and build like

  • a positive nonzero-sum relationship with China and that includes hopefully

  • maintaining current situation for for many people in the Asian continent see

  • would you support on principle the one China policy well you know I think the

  • one China policy is very deeply ingrained into Chinese culture and

  • heritage and I think that right now the way things are functioning to me is is

  • one of the better outcomes one could hope for for people in Greater China

  • generally and so to me anything that upsets the status quo would be something

  • I'd be deeply concerned about but right now I think things are going fairly well

  • at least as a again I'm a cultural liberal does there not become a point

  • where you have to say that you can't stand by as a nation like China takes

  • control of the lives of its people I mean now stopping people travel because

  • they don't have enough social credit points a lot of that's politically

  • motivated I mean we're looking potentially at the submergence of a free

  • democracy within what you might think I'm overstating it but seems quite an

  • orderly and increasingly Orwellian state I I'm terrified by that are you

  • not I think that your concerns have like a basis and you know your own

  • experiences and like in reality so you know it's it is the case that the

  • Chinese government is engaging in practices that as a Freeborn westerner

  • like you know you or I might may not be excited about the danger though to me is

  • to adopt frankly like an American lens towards what many other societies are

  • doing because to me that's what led us into

  • conflicts in Asia over the last century where you know we caught ourselves

  • convinced that if South Vietnam or South Korea were to go a certain direction it

  • would be disastrous for democracy writ large and then we wound up in multi year

  • multi decade conflicts that may or may not have achieved like their original

  • goals so to me like that the focus of the United States for better for worse

  • needs to be to try and restore itself at home because we are falling apart again

  • like dwindling life expectancy our political cohesion is that like

  • multi-decade lows at least you know we are not doing well if we were doing well

  • Donald Trump would not be our president and so if you're the leader of a country

  • and it's not doing well then you know what your job is your job is to try and

  • restore a higher degree of functionality to your own society yeah yeah okay um is

  • there anything else that I've not touched on that you'd like to talk about

  • yeah so one of the big themes of my campaign I think that you know you've

  • seen this in share this is that we really need to evolve in advance as a

  • people because right now we have this approach of capital efficiency to our

  • own human value it's why we talk about trying to retrain coal miners as coders

  • and other things it's like oh well the human worth is determined by the

  • marketplace of the marketplace wants coders I guess that's what we're trying

  • to turn you into even though that's more of a fantasy than a reality in most

  • cases so that the single biggest theme of the campaign is that we need to start

  • seeing ourselves as having intrinsic value like as human beings and try and

  • make this economic system work for us instead of us all being inputs into the

  • system because if we're all inputs into the system we will lose on an epic

  • historic scale we will not be able to out-compete artificial intelligence

  • robots and software where the marginal cost of an activity is zero or near zero

  • we can't win and so we have to actually change the rules of the game change the

  • rules of the economy to something that we can actually succeed at even as the

  • goalposts are moving very very quickly and that's something that I'm

  • sure is vital to the health of our society moving forward and for whatever

  • reason it's something that most other political leaders haven't been able to

  • get their arms around and so that's what what I'd love to leave people with is

  • the sense that look if we do not evolve we are going to tear ourselves apart

  • we're all going to lose on a scale that's historic and you can already see

  • it in the numbers and in the nature of what's happening in the United States of

  • America and I believe as we talked about earlier in this conversation Robin that

  • the appetite is now there that like people have woken up to the fact that

  • our institutions are not doing well and that our old approaches aren't going

  • to work and that we need to revive ourselves to the challenges of the 21st

  • century in the unlikely event that you don't become our next president then I

  • know someone likely would you consider running for Congress or any other office

  • where you have a platform to basically do what you're doing I mean it also

  • occurs to me that you know when we talk about the evolving role of the

  • presidency for good or for ill but most of what you talked about is legislative

  • of course you know the executive doesn't pass legislation it just executes sit it

  • would seem that someone of your ilk and and your interest would be well placed

  • in Congress let's say when the Senate um would you consider that like I'm open to

  • any role that I think helps move society forward

  • I mean I'm first and foremost a parent and a patriot and if I think I can move

  • the needle in any capacity you know I would take a long hard look at it I'm

  • certainly not some narcissist who's been dreaming about being president forever I

  • don't care so much about the labels and seating charts I just want to try and

  • solve problems and if that's one way I could do it then I'd be very very open

  • to looking at it what are some of the most memorable reactions the

  • you've received on the campaign trail last the interview I saw you said you'd

  • been to Iowa five times might be more by now what's your feeling to pick up on

  • what you said about people being ready which I kind of agree with yeah

  • specifically can give us some examples that have kind of touched you maybe a

  • little more than others maybe a bit personally I know I've been blown away

  • by the response I've gotten in communities around the country where you

  • think and you look at me it's like I'm like the urban Asian guy like showing up

  • but most of the time people realize that you're there to help that there's no

  • other reason that you'd be there and they really touched their touch that

  • you're trying to improve their lives and that in turn inspires you and that's

  • happened to me now dozens maybe hundreds of times on the trail I've been to Iowa

  • eight times I'm going back for a ninth time next week yeah yeah and the

  • American people are really good you know it's like that it breaks your heart what

  • the heck does happen to our country but the the recognition that we need to take

  • on a new approach is growing stronger every day

  • and do you find that you're being a young asian man affects anything in your

  • conversations with the America especially in Iowa I guess it's pretty

  • white everywhere you're going you know - in Iowa well the is it amazing the main

  • impact is that people assume I know what I'm talking about when I talk about

  • technology it's like looks like he knows what he's talking about

  • so if anything it's been positive you know I get a free for IQ points when I

  • give speeches with this accent so maybe you get some credibility finally to be

  • both an Asian guy and have British accent you got VP chosen yet I do not

  • then the benefit is higher and then maybe for a third step I could wear glasses I

  • love it Andrew this has been a real pleasure thank you for coming on to the

  • show doing this with me I'm sure if you're willing I would love to talk to

  • you again at some point and you know maybe ask

  • some of the same questions but also some different ones and I you know I wish you

  • luck not just in your campaign but in

  • getting the values that underpin your campaign this productive discourse

  • this fact-based discourse you know just into the American

  • conversation so thanks for what you're doing I enjoyed this conversation a great deal

  • and I'm sure we'll talk again as this campaign makes progress it's gonna be

  • quite a journey and I hope you and I get to meet personally well I hope to meet you

  • one day so yeah so come up here to Seattle if you haven't already they'd

  • love you up here yeah yeah I'm definitely come to Seattle at some point

  • I'll see you there all right you got it thanks so much Andrew thanks Robin much appreciated

this is Robin Koerner and I am speaking to Andrew Yang presidential candidate

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