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  • welcome to the full nerd New York edition very special guests Intel

  • important guy on answer Vatsa important guy meaning this is a person who makes a

  • lot of decisions that Intel and a bold statement I'm gonna throw this out

  • because I don't think I've ever heard Intel go this far over the line but you

  • guys have disrupted the scrub the brand new core I nine as the world's fastest

  • gaming Ronald's best babying processor yeah so hey absolutely the first I would

  • like to say it's really good to spend some time with you thank you for giving

  • us the chance to go do it and yes today we had a very very busy day I know some

  • of your viewers have probably already caught up on some of the news but we

  • launched three sets of products effectively we launched our Xeon w31 75

  • X that was a surprise yeah that was our 28th core CPU we talked about the fact

  • that it's unlocked it's also gonna be featuring a single

  • core turbo of up to four point three gigahertz we're very excited about this

  • product and that will not fit into older motherboards that is a new socket and

  • everything absolutely so that product fits into our socket P motherboard which

  • allows you to get a lot more memory into the processor because when you have

  • these many cores super-important that the memory bandwidth can be fully

  • exercised to get the full performance on multitasking so that product is you

  • mention you throwing shade at somebody here no it's good it's kind of foggy

  • here I'm not sure about the shade that's certainly foggy but yeah we've got about

  • six channels of memory on that product and about 125 gigabytes of memory

  • bandwidth which again in our studies as you go up in core counts very very

  • important and it's Xeon so you left the ECC support in there yes there is ECC

  • support in there and as we talked about one of the things you know some of our

  • customers in this space who are sort of in this nexus between a workstation and

  • the really high-end desktop have been looking for this kind of a feature set a

  • xeon product that supports ECC has the capability for overclocking so you

  • beyond the stock capabilities we think this is gonna be a pretty darn good

  • over-packer so we're excited about what these customers can do for these kinds

  • of applicants it's like a prosumer super high-end super high-end yeah we talked

  • about this being you know pervades very specialized media creators now

  • a lot of those guys on the planet but you know they're really doing very very

  • specific things you know this kind of New Age of animation rendering we showed

  • a couple of instances right there are these specialized users will have

  • certain applications that really scale to this kind of core count and then

  • again as you mentioned you know for other creators for what we think the

  • broader market looks like we announced our new x-series core processor family

  • as well okay and those are they essentially slot into the existing X 299

  • infrastructure out there absolutely they're socket compatible they are on

  • our socket our platform what we call our 2010 platform and they are backward

  • compatible to the existing set of motherboards and on that product line we

  • announced a couple of new things there is going to be obviously higher CPU

  • frequency more cache sizes so people will see increased CPU performance but

  • one of the other things that we've done in this family is we've increased the

  • i/o capabilities on the family especially on the low end and so now our

  • lowest end CPU in this generation are eight core CPUs will also have sixty

  • eight platform PCIe gen3 lanes and so you know if you've got multiple graphics

  • cards or SSDs or other peripherals you get that full IO capability from the

  • bottom of our full PCIe from top to bottom to top to bottom

  • yeah and so it starts at 18 cores with the I $9.99 eight exe that is correct so

  • what's the big difference between the 99 ADHD and the 79 AD excellent so you'll

  • see increased frequencies increase performance on that product and then as

  • we go down the stack you know we're seeing obviously some of that

  • differentiation in our previous generation we had a six core CPU in this

  • generation we're starting with an eight core CPU in the space we also have an

  • entry ten core processor you know if you call that an entry process or something

  • that's lower than our existing ten core okay from a pricing perspective we've

  • seen naturally in this space as we've increased the capability of our case

  • queues our mainstream family that people that are buying our Xers products are

  • migrating up a little bit and again they don't care about yeah they're they're

  • moving up on core count because I think when you when we look historically at

  • how our offerings used to be segmented between sort of our mainstream family

  • and this higher-end product if you go back a couple of generations ago we were

  • up to four cores on the mainstream product and really saw

  • four and six and eight course on the higher end and so people who wanted a

  • six core product for some of these workloads that scale you know they

  • effectively only had the choice of looking at the x-series product line and

  • now as we've seen our mainstream stack move up to six and of course today we

  • launched this baby make well our core I $9.99 hundred K it's our eight core 16

  • threads we continue to see that there'll be some people who if they're buying for

  • poor count but want that single threaded performance this is a fantastic product

  • for that right and this is the world's best gaming CPU this is the world's best

  • gaming processor and how did you guys do that so we did some actually phenomenal

  • amount of testing on this product we tested this product on 19 games actually

  • 20 game workloads in total we tested them across a bunch of the most popular

  • games today we tested them where they used different game developer engines

  • write different types of you know gaming genres because each of them work a

  • little bit differently and we tested this product of course against our

  • previous generation king of the hill right here 8700 K processor which is

  • setting the benchmark for performance today we tested it against that product

  • we tested it in against the other guys as well and amongst all those tests it's

  • absolutely clear that this product has got the crown and five gigahertz that's

  • really the big secret to most games still yeah games it's not about 812 or

  • 25 that's right I mean if you look at gaming today and you know we talked you

  • know we we as an industry been working for a long time on enabling multi-core

  • but it's a pretty difficult programming problem

  • and especially on game engines they've been moving forward right it's been

  • something that's been getting better but it takes a bunch of time to re-write an

  • engine or rewrite a game to actually be multi-threaded so on this particular

  • product single threaded performance super critical and again delivering 5

  • gigahertz out of the box is phenomenal right I don't know if you remember just

  • a couple years ago we were trying to hit 5 gigahertz overclock right and this is

  • stock out of the box one or two cores I think 5 gigahertz right single core

  • turbo but you know again we think that's pretty darn phenomenon of course

  • nobody's seen as performance yet but I know with 87 jerk' that chip really did

  • always run at very very high clocks almost all

  • far harder than I think a lot of expected so I think we're gonna see

  • we'll see 5 gigahertz in a realistic and most things yeah we think this is going

  • to be an even better overclock all right one we do have that single threaded

  • performance and then the other thing that we added both on the x-series

  • product line as well as this is we have added solder Tim into these products and

  • so it gives us some more thermal Headroom and gives us a little bit more

  • overclocking performance again I think we've been very proud of our overclock

  • and capability in general but I think this basically you know it gives us some

  • more do you so like you guys using solder in there basically every new part

  • that's announced today I do an asset because people in the community like oh

  • why didn't you I had a hassle part I had paste him I had coffee Lake I paste him

  • I had a 79 80 XTi to paste why decision to go to a solder on these yeah just to

  • clarify so the x-series product lines and our ninth gen products the ones we

  • announced today will have solder to the 28 core Xeon is actually not on socket

  • oh yeah yeah so I think this is something that we are trying to catch up

  • it's one of those decisions you have to make on a product by product basis that

  • 28 core product is a derivative of our skylake access server family product so

  • it continues to use our polymer technology okay now you know you asked

  • the question about solder Tim in general and hey you know what was the decision

  • like to bring it back you know one of the things again is we think back on the

  • history here I think you know sometimes people forget the journey we've been on

  • and I joined this desktop business in 2012-2013 and if you remember at the

  • time we were you know in the tablet wars right the PC was changing right but we

  • really recommit it to enthusiast desktop starting in 2013-14 once again with our

  • Devil's Canyon product and since then we've had numerous overclocking features

  • we've brought in right we brought back full beat clock over cock clocking we've

  • been able to get fine grain overclocking control we fixed some cold bugs that

  • allowed us to get Ellen to this is one of the features and you know we were

  • able to get it in for this product and I think based on the number of cores we

  • have and the kind of you know heat we're trying to manage her I think this is a

  • really good addition for onyx and I want to put out Devil's Canyon was not a

  • solder Tim right that was an honest on Apollo it was it Oliver Tim another

  • still terminate yeah usage you know and when we came back in and we put that

  • product out I know there's a lot of you know questions I didn't tell hey are the

  • enthusiasts still around and desktop and we were very you know

  • absolutely unequivocal that hey the enthusiasts are who are in this business

  • and actually the interesting thing about the PC business is this is where most

  • people are going now right now you have most people who are

  • using a PC they're using it for a very specific purpose right they're using it

  • for gaming and this is a great product for gaming they're using it for content

  • creation where they're doing work with it or this is their livelihood you know

  • we see it a lot being used obviously still for professional work our

  • commercial business is doing well I think we weren't on the early part of

  • that trend where we said hey the people buying pcs especially in desktops at the

  • time they were not doing it by accident right they wanted a desktop they knew

  • what they were buying and they were buying for performance I think that

  • continues to bear on now you know I do want to ask some other packaging this is

  • for people who haven't seen this is the branding packaging for the car nine atom

  • broke it I'm gonna point that out it is not intel's fault if you read stories to

  • say I can't believe Intel's showing off a broken box yes Adam Patrick Murray

  • behind the camera here dropped it and broke it sorry sorry everybody but is

  • this gonna be in all of the all the parts because we're so used to the

  • cardboard they've had for you you know so we've done some packaging changes in

  • the past when we did our you know broad well ten core extreme edition part we

  • did a structured box yeah with our 8086 k we did some limited edition packaging

  • we've done some of the core I + this is absolutely a little bit of an experiment

  • but what we wanted to do was have packaging you know which on the outside

  • showed some of the capability of the technology on the inside you know what I

  • would tell you is this is absolutely an experiment if you guys love this

  • packaging we'll be sure to do more for this generation though this is special

  • for the i-9 okay so the i-9 in coffee feel I guess the I 999 oh yeah nine Hoff

  • you like the coffee like nine gen pop okay so it'll only be in that one new

  • and every single part will come tomorrow the 9900 k products will come on that's

  • right I got it I mean isn't like a limited edition box it's not a limited

  • edition box this box will be shipping with this product yes easier in what's

  • the decision to do this special box just because it's just cool or you know we've

  • had boxing capabilities where we could try things as I said in the past and so

  • we're asking this question hey you know what we're getting this great new

  • product I we honestly felt that based on the performance we were delivering that

  • it was gonna be a really good product for gaming we had

  • a good sense of what the performance was gonna be and we're like why don't we

  • make the packet and show off some of that

  • have you considered putting lighting inside of it is that oh yeah but RGB so

  • it's possible you he's got to stick a battery in that's it's possible you know

  • it's a that's a good idea I will have to go get you guys hooked up to our boxing

  • people so what they want to do with the lighting I understand putting a battery

  • and creates a shipping problem for yeah I didn't know that see this is something

  • left to go back and so essentially because we have a stack now you have

  • core I 9 you know small socket I'm a big socket and we're gonna have the super

  • extra big socket pretty soon yes where do you think do you think this word it

  • works right for everyone yeah that's a great question I think for most

  • mainstream consumers we think you know because of the fact that software and

  • programming in general is difficult to get to multi-core we think the eight

  • core envelopes perfect right even when you look take a look at gaming there's a

  • lot of games that have trouble scaling up all the way to that point but we are

  • seeing gaming changing starting to take advantage of it and certainly there's a

  • lot of people that are gaming and streaming at the same time and that

  • definitely can exercise the full capabilities of this product for other

  • sets of customers like people who are in the content creation space some of those

  • applications are much more naturally inclined for multi-core and if you look

  • at the differences between our socket the smaller socket or each sock is what

  • we call it 11:51 right versus mm pin socket mm socket comes with the more

  • cores it also comes with more i/o just you know we as we talked about is you

  • add more cores you need more memory so you go from two channels of memory on

  • this kind of a product to four channels of memory on the larger x-series product

  • line that scales from 8 to 18 core right this allows you to optimize that

  • workflow and get the most out of a 16 or 18 course each year and then when you

  • get to the socket piece side you're getting that full 6 memory channels to

  • again fully unlock more capabilities so we do see as you know these product

  • lines come in we have effectively you know great product for each of the

  • segments or we're not trying to give you any compromise solution here you know if

  • you're a gamer this is a fantastic product that that's what you want to do

  • if you're a content creator you know you can be a content creator do gaming at

  • the same time our x-series product line is really great for this and for those

  • super specialized guys the top end why we think are 28 core

  • products gonna be very very interesting okay so for Corinne I'm if I'm a

  • consumer what do you say to this person says five hundred dollars which i think

  • is the correct price for this part four hundred and eighty oh you're right yes

  • okay four eight four ninety-nine where that person says I can buy a

  • competitor's part that gives me eight cores with hyper-threading roll SMT for

  • three hundred bucks what do you say to that person yeah you

  • know what I would say is I think you know we got to be careful on how we

  • compare our products which is why I think you guys do a great job and

  • actually testing end-user workloads right well we've seen in our previous

  • generation or 8700 K which was our six core product line is the customers

  • absolutely love that product we sold a lot more of that product than we did the

  • previous generations the fourth even though it was at a premium because it

  • was a six core product what we're seeing is the use case in gaming is moving up

  • one because games are starting to get better to be multi-threaded but it

  • really is about the performance it's not about the cores where people aren't

  • buying for core count they're buying for what they're trying to go achieve and we

  • think this product is gonna be great but it has the right single-thread of

  • performance that if you have a game that doesn't scale all the way they of course

  • I'll still give you the best frame rate and then if you're gonna layer on top of

  • that either a game that is more multi-threaded or a game that you want

  • to go stream you can unlock the full capabilities of the product the other

  • thing I would tell you is you know people typically buy their gaming

  • systems they're keeping them for at least three years so we think this is a

  • great future proofing angle if you're gonna come in and buy a new system this

  • is a great product it always gives you the high clocks and it gives you the no

  • compromising issues pork how do you do you think we're back sort of to the

  • megahertz Wars it's so weird we sort of got into pushing four counts but now

  • then it turned into equality of IPC yes now it's like it really does feel like

  • who can push the higher class you know I think one of the things we've learned is

  • we talked about you know multi-core is typically pretty hard but single

  • threaded performance absolutely goes to the bottom line right improvements in

  • single threaded performance absolutely show up frequency is a critical

  • component of it and so we've been focused on delivering that great single

  • credit performance because that's something anybody can enjoy whether

  • you're a creator whether you're a casual user whether you're a gamer right when

  • you look at that multi-threaded performance there are some classes of

  • applications that can use them but there's a large

  • you know share of the market where that kind of application just doesn't skip

  • right and we to be fair 8,700 was even though it had a couple fewer cores in

  • the AMD it was still everybody recognized it was a faster gaming CG

  • yeah I think you guys did the testing around the gaming side and I think the

  • numbers show themselves yeah right so that the argument is now we're

  • giving you two more cores right and hi clocks absolutely two more cores higher

  • single-threaded performance in the 8700 k right again a no compromise platform

  • do you think this will be great right and if you don't want the world's best

  • gaming processor by somebody else's you don't want the world's best gaming

  • processor we have two others of launders we have an eight core I sell comes for

  • you a we've got a lot of products for you guys to choose from and honestly you

  • know we still have a lot of people still buying the 8700 K that product is a

  • really great product right you know we love that product you know we've got a

  • couple of really nice good products if you're an overclock or you want that

  • souderton you've got three products to choose from from us today so that's

  • another sort point of people it's like hey I used to get i7 with

  • hyper-threading now I got to pay for it online at least with the current parts

  • yeah what's the rationale for not having hyper-threading in the i7k part I'm

  • having an i9 kapok yeah I think what you see us do in our product stack because

  • we try to deliver a value at each of the different brand levels that we're trying

  • to go put in if you see what we did with I seven this year is we move that

  • product for being six core 12 threads to an eight core CPU we think eight cores

  • and eight threads back to your question on multi-threading we actually thing

  • that actually gives you better multi-threaded performance and it gives

  • you better single threaded performance and you know the tests are bearing that

  • out that product is a really good product and so Jen and Jen we think

  • people you know will absolutely choose it if you are somebody who has the needs

  • for higher thread count obviously this gives you that kind of scalability but

  • again it's a generation to generation decision we make and we're constantly

  • focused on improving the performance of the products we're trying to give you a

  • nice M okay I do have some other questions from readers I should ask

  • before I forget Greg Smith asks do you think deleting a

  • processor is a good thing yeah we talked about you know I think from a deleting

  • perspective we have a broad range of customers of our products some people

  • are extremely capable right they'll do liquid nitrogen

  • you know overclocking so we have a full range for the traditional consumer

  • somebody who is using their product within the rated specifications we'd say

  • deleting may not be appropriate for them but the high-end enthusiasts we're doing

  • this stuff I think it's an individual choice and if

  • you can get the most out of what you want from that product I think that's a

  • that's something that you could choose to do so you're cool with it and he's

  • also cool with it because if you deal it'd your CPU and break it you got to go

  • buy another one so that's like selling you two t.j.s what's your post more

  • strategy well I think you know Moore's law continues to be a huge lynchpin for

  • how we go and design products but work continues

  • we continues to go focus on trying to deliver incremental performance and when

  • we look at how we're able to go and work on existing process nodes I think

  • there's a great lesson there where we were able to go from 40 nanometers our

  • base process to what we're delivering with our 40 nanometer plus plus products

  • we have over 70 percent performance increases

  • I think Moore's Law at the end of the day is delivering our customers more

  • performance generation on generations and I think our products really deliver

  • them ok and Gabrielle Ferrara asks when will we get risk 5 CPUs from Intel risk

  • 5 CPUs from Intel yeah I'm not sure you're basically saying should you

  • shouldn't move over from sisk yeah I know it's crazy right this is

  • this was definitely deeper than I expected on that question but he's

  • saying no never are you kidding what no I would definitely not say that what I

  • would say is I would say hey you know what we're always evaluating what the

  • right technologies are right we've been very happy with the x86 architecture you

  • continue to see products from us on that sure anything when you can get the 5

  • gigahertz CPU out of Randee cores come and talk to us so a lot of people want

  • to know Winston 10 nanometer gonna show up as you've heard from us before 10

  • nanometer is shipping already in low volume and we expect products to be on

  • shelf on holiday 2019 Oh got it so it'll be here when it's here folks I do have a

  • question about multi-threading so clearly I mean this is a course it's

  • awesome with hyper-threading we get 16 you've got up to 28 18 cores and all

  • this what is it going to take for developers

  • get here because in it to be Intel has done a lot of work over the years to try

  • to get developers to support six core back in the Gulf town days and we're

  • still really games or like quad cores enough for the most part what's that

  • gonna change you know it's gonna take I think this is a great question and and

  • again Intel has been investing in the software ecosystem around multi-core as

  • you talked about for a long time or compilers helped to go make you know

  • software more more multi thread multi-core friendly but it takes a lot

  • of effort and I think in some cases easier than others depending on the

  • workload you're trying to go ahead if you are a content creation application

  • those things tend to scale more easily I think on the gaming front it requires a

  • bunch of redevelopment on the game development side and then you got to

  • figure out if there's other workloads within the game if it's physics or AI or

  • other things you can load in it's in some ways maybe a little bit like

  • multitasking but it does take a lot of work now I think the good news is we

  • have seen the game developers target to the hardware that's there and start to

  • improve and I know a couple of years ago people would have said hey even a four

  • core processor is more than people typically need and we're starting to see

  • that move up but it's definitely pretty heavy lifting which is why we think at

  • this point in time a processor like an eight core processor is probably the

  • best tune for an application like gaming ok so if I have a 87 ok I need to

  • upgrade so you know I would love for you to upgrade you know I think you

  • specifically you definitely need our 99 hundred K processor there's no question

  • about that you know again I think our products very exciting we have some of

  • our customers that upgrade every single time we have a great new product we love

  • those customers right but as I said the 8700 K continues to be a great product

  • we have a couple of new choices and so I really think if you're ready for a new

  • new desktop gaming system I think this is you can't go wrong with picking Nyjah

  • you know I do want to ask this because and I think it's probably part of this

  • is competition but people Intel you probably feel this show Intel you're

  • like the Golden State Warriors or the Patriots you're just people are just

  • sick of you winning how what do you say to the community is

  • just like I don't want to buy Intel because they're too good right what do

  • you say to those you know Gordon it's sort of like my son my son hates Tom

  • Brady I'm like you got to respect that I hate Tom Brady your greatest respect the

  • man you got to respect his his accomplishments but I don't know sports

  • analogies work so much for us in this industry but I would say that it's

  • really heartening that we have enthusiasts that are so passionate about

  • the technology that we're delivering that they really want to argue about

  • what's best I think that actually is good for us is the PC industry obviously

  • there'll be some people who are really passionate maybe take it too far but I

  • think it's really good for us looking out and seeing people really care okay

  • but it's also earlier he had his rings on they actually have these intel like

  • Super Bowl rings and they're just he took them all off I mean I guess you

  • can't argue with whatever the market share people are still overwhelmingly

  • buying Intel CPUs yeah I think you know we're very happy with the response to

  • our products from the end customers but we've had a great year this year the PC

  • market is doing very well overall so I think we're pretty happy right and that

  • is the amazing thing is again you came into this one tablets were around and

  • people don't remember this but it was it was doomsday like a PC industry

  • and I'm never it feels like a second golden would you agree it feels like a

  • second Golden Age where the piece just is like I remember the first month and

  • the articles I had to read that the desktop was dead and my friends like

  • why'd you take that job but now you know it's I think again I think the PC is

  • very resilient it's a great platform it allows people to accomplish what they

  • want and there's a lot of people doing very productive things even gaming today

  • you know which can be very productive if you you know are interested in gaming

  • there's a lot of people doing very productive things on the PC I think

  • again that's fantastic I think that's why we have enthusiasts who really you

  • know push the limits of what we do and today's product launches are about that

  • audience right to really deliver to what they're looking for from us right PC

  • gaming is worked out from I know everywhere from kids up to oh yeah

  • college students if you're cool you playing the PC so absolute

  • and world's best gaming processor we're gonna find out oh cool I just want to

  • hold this up so we get the wafer shot we got a great prop to get in here just

  • wonderful this and these are I nine cores yes they are Wow awesome huh all

  • right well this has been a great time thank you for taking any of you thank

  • you so much I appreciate Gordon you know I can't wait i we're gonna find out no

  • he said this is the world's best gaming processor reviewers are gonna get this

  • thing if he's wrong we're gonna come back and say hey what's up absolutely

  • I'm looking forward to your reviews okay

welcome to the full nerd New York edition very special guests Intel

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