字幕表 動画を再生する 英語字幕をプリント welcome to the full nerd New York edition very special guests Intel important guy on answer Vatsa important guy meaning this is a person who makes a lot of decisions that Intel and a bold statement I'm gonna throw this out because I don't think I've ever heard Intel go this far over the line but you guys have disrupted the scrub the brand new core I nine as the world's fastest gaming Ronald's best babying processor yeah so hey absolutely the first I would like to say it's really good to spend some time with you thank you for giving us the chance to go do it and yes today we had a very very busy day I know some of your viewers have probably already caught up on some of the news but we launched three sets of products effectively we launched our Xeon w31 75 X that was a surprise yeah that was our 28th core CPU we talked about the fact that it's unlocked it's also gonna be featuring a single core turbo of up to four point three gigahertz we're very excited about this product and that will not fit into older motherboards that is a new socket and everything absolutely so that product fits into our socket P motherboard which allows you to get a lot more memory into the processor because when you have these many cores super-important that the memory bandwidth can be fully exercised to get the full performance on multitasking so that product is you mention you throwing shade at somebody here no it's good it's kind of foggy here I'm not sure about the shade that's certainly foggy but yeah we've got about six channels of memory on that product and about 125 gigabytes of memory bandwidth which again in our studies as you go up in core counts very very important and it's Xeon so you left the ECC support in there yes there is ECC support in there and as we talked about one of the things you know some of our customers in this space who are sort of in this nexus between a workstation and the really high-end desktop have been looking for this kind of a feature set a xeon product that supports ECC has the capability for overclocking so you beyond the stock capabilities we think this is gonna be a pretty darn good over-packer so we're excited about what these customers can do for these kinds of applicants it's like a prosumer super high-end super high-end yeah we talked about this being you know pervades very specialized media creators now a lot of those guys on the planet but you know they're really doing very very specific things you know this kind of New Age of animation rendering we showed a couple of instances right there are these specialized users will have certain applications that really scale to this kind of core count and then again as you mentioned you know for other creators for what we think the broader market looks like we announced our new x-series core processor family as well okay and those are they essentially slot into the existing X 299 infrastructure out there absolutely they're socket compatible they are on our socket our platform what we call our 2010 platform and they are backward compatible to the existing set of motherboards and on that product line we announced a couple of new things there is going to be obviously higher CPU frequency more cache sizes so people will see increased CPU performance but one of the other things that we've done in this family is we've increased the i/o capabilities on the family especially on the low end and so now our lowest end CPU in this generation are eight core CPUs will also have sixty eight platform PCIe gen3 lanes and so you know if you've got multiple graphics cards or SSDs or other peripherals you get that full IO capability from the bottom of our full PCIe from top to bottom to top to bottom yeah and so it starts at 18 cores with the I $9.99 eight exe that is correct so what's the big difference between the 99 ADHD and the 79 AD excellent so you'll see increased frequencies increase performance on that product and then as we go down the stack you know we're seeing obviously some of that differentiation in our previous generation we had a six core CPU in this generation we're starting with an eight core CPU in the space we also have an entry ten core processor you know if you call that an entry process or something that's lower than our existing ten core okay from a pricing perspective we've seen naturally in this space as we've increased the capability of our case queues our mainstream family that people that are buying our Xers products are migrating up a little bit and again they don't care about yeah they're they're moving up on core count because I think when you when we look historically at how our offerings used to be segmented between sort of our mainstream family and this higher-end product if you go back a couple of generations ago we were up to four cores on the mainstream product and really saw four and six and eight course on the higher end and so people who wanted a six core product for some of these workloads that scale you know they effectively only had the choice of looking at the x-series product line and now as we've seen our mainstream stack move up to six and of course today we launched this baby make well our core I $9.99 hundred K it's our eight core 16 threads we continue to see that there'll be some people who if they're buying for poor count but want that single threaded performance this is a fantastic product for that right and this is the world's best gaming CPU this is the world's best gaming processor and how did you guys do that so we did some actually phenomenal amount of testing on this product we tested this product on 19 games actually 20 game workloads in total we tested them across a bunch of the most popular games today we tested them where they used different game developer engines write different types of you know gaming genres because each of them work a little bit differently and we tested this product of course against our previous generation king of the hill right here 8700 K processor which is setting the benchmark for performance today we tested it against that product we tested it in against the other guys as well and amongst all those tests it's absolutely clear that this product has got the crown and five gigahertz that's really the big secret to most games still yeah games it's not about 812 or 25 that's right I mean if you look at gaming today and you know we talked you know we we as an industry been working for a long time on enabling multi-core but it's a pretty difficult programming problem and especially on game engines they've been moving forward right it's been something that's been getting better but it takes a bunch of time to re-write an engine or rewrite a game to actually be multi-threaded so on this particular product single threaded performance super critical and again delivering 5 gigahertz out of the box is phenomenal right I don't know if you remember just a couple years ago we were trying to hit 5 gigahertz overclock right and this is stock out of the box one or two cores I think 5 gigahertz right single core turbo but you know again we think that's pretty darn phenomenon of course nobody's seen as performance yet but I know with 87 jerk' that chip really did always run at very very high clocks almost all far harder than I think a lot of expected so I think we're gonna see we'll see 5 gigahertz in a realistic and most things yeah we think this is going to be an even better overclock all right one we do have that single threaded performance and then the other thing that we added both on the x-series product line as well as this is we have added solder Tim into these products and so it gives us some more thermal Headroom and gives us a little bit more overclocking performance again I think we've been very proud of our overclock and capability in general but I think this basically you know it gives us some more do you so like you guys using solder in there basically every new part that's announced today I do an asset because people in the community like oh why didn't you I had a hassle part I had paste him I had coffee Lake I paste him I had a 79 80 XTi to paste why decision to go to a solder on these yeah just to clarify so the x-series product lines and our ninth gen products the ones we announced today will have solder to the 28 core Xeon is actually not on socket oh yeah yeah so I think this is something that we are trying to catch up it's one of those decisions you have to make on a product by product basis that 28 core product is a derivative of our skylake access server family product so it continues to use our polymer technology okay now you know you asked the question about solder Tim in general and hey you know what was the decision like to bring it back you know one of the things again is we think back on the history here I think you know sometimes people forget the journey we've been on and I joined this desktop business in 2012-2013 and if you remember at the time we were you know in the tablet wars right the PC was changing right but we really recommit it to enthusiast desktop starting in 2013-14 once again with our Devil's Canyon product and since then we've had numerous overclocking features we've brought in right we brought back full beat clock over cock clocking we've been able to get fine grain overclocking control we fixed some cold bugs that allowed us to get Ellen to this is one of the features and you know we were able to get it in for this product and I think based on the number of cores we have and the kind of you know heat we're trying to manage her I think this is a really good addition for onyx and I want to put out Devil's Canyon was not a solder Tim right that was an honest on Apollo it was it Oliver Tim another still terminate yeah usage you know and when we came back in and we put that product out I know there's a lot of you know questions I didn't tell hey are the enthusiasts still around and desktop and we were very you know absolutely unequivocal that hey the enthusiasts are who are in this business and actually the interesting thing about the PC business is this is where most people are going now right now you have most people who are using a PC they're using it for a very specific purpose right they're using it for gaming and this is a great product for gaming they're using it for content creation where they're doing work with it or this is their livelihood you know we see it a lot being used obviously still for professional work our commercial business is doing well I think we weren't on the early part of that trend where we said hey the people buying pcs especially in desktops at the time they were not doing it by accident right they wanted a desktop they knew what they were buying and they were buying for performance I think that continues to bear on now you know I do want to ask some other packaging this is for people who haven't seen this is the branding packaging for the car nine atom broke it I'm gonna point that out it is not intel's fault if you read stories to say I can't believe Intel's showing off a broken box yes Adam Patrick Murray behind the camera here dropped it and broke it sorry sorry everybody but is this gonna be in all of the all the parts because we're so used to the cardboard they've had for you you know so we've done some packaging changes in the past when we did our you know broad well ten core extreme edition part we did a structured box yeah with our 8086 k we did some limited edition packaging we've done some of the core I + this is absolutely a little bit of an experiment but what we wanted to do was have packaging you know which on the outside showed some of the capability of the technology on the inside you know what I would tell you is this is absolutely an experiment if you guys love this packaging we'll be sure to do more for this generation though this is special for the i-9 okay so the i-9 in coffee feel I guess the I 999 oh yeah nine Hoff you like the coffee like nine gen pop okay so it'll only be in that one new and every single part will come tomorrow the 9900 k products will come on that's right I got it I mean isn't like a limited edition box it's not a limited edition box this box will be shipping with this product yes easier in what's the decision to do this special box just because it's just cool or you know we've had boxing capabilities where we could try things as I said in the past and so we're asking this question hey you know what we're getting this great new product I we honestly felt that based on the performance we were delivering that it was gonna be a really good product for gaming we had a good sense of what the performance was gonna be and we're like why don't we make the packet and show off some of that have you considered putting lighting inside of it is that oh yeah but RGB so it's possible you he's got to stick a battery in that's it's possible you know it's a that's a good idea I will have to go get you guys hooked up to our boxing people so what they want to do with the lighting I understand putting a battery and creates a shipping problem for yeah I didn't know that see this is something left to go back and so essentially because we have a stack now you have core I 9 you know small socket I'm a big socket and we're gonna have the super extra big socket pretty soon yes where do you think do you think this word it works right for everyone yeah that's a great question I think for most mainstream consumers we think you know because of the fact that software and programming in general is difficult to get to multi-core we think the eight core envelopes perfect right even when you look take a look at gaming there's a lot of games that have trouble scaling up all the way to that point but we are seeing gaming changing starting to take advantage of it and certainly there's a lot of people that are gaming and streaming at the same time and that definitely can exercise the full capabilities of this product for other sets of customers like people who are in the content creation space some of those applications are much more naturally inclined for multi-core and if you look at the differences between our socket the smaller socket or each sock is what we call it 11:51 right versus mm pin socket mm socket comes with the more cores it also comes with more i/o just you know we as we talked about is you add more cores you need more memory so you go from two channels of memory on this kind of a product to four channels of memory on the larger x-series product line that scales from 8 to 18 core right this allows you to optimize that workflow and get the most out of a 16 or 18 course each year and then when you get to the socket piece side you're getting that full 6 memory channels to again fully unlock more capabilities so we do see as you know these product lines come in we have effectively you know great product for each of the segments or we're not trying to give you any compromise solution here you know if you're a gamer this is a fantastic product that that's what you want to do if you're a content creator you know you can be a content creator do gaming at the same time our x-series product line is really great for this and for those super specialized guys the top end why we think are 28 core products gonna be very very interesting okay so for Corinne I'm if I'm a consumer what do you say to this person says five hundred dollars which i think is the correct price for this part four hundred and eighty oh you're right yes okay four eight four ninety-nine where that person says I can buy a competitor's part that gives me eight cores with hyper-threading roll SMT for three hundred bucks what do you say to that person yeah you know what I would say is I think you know we got to be careful on how we compare our products which is why I think you guys do a great job and actually testing end-user workloads right well we've seen in our previous generation or 8700 K which was our six core product line is the customers absolutely love that product we sold a lot more of that product than we did the previous generations the fourth even though it was at a premium because it was a six core product what we're seeing is the use case in gaming is moving up one because games are starting to get better to be multi-threaded but it really is about the performance it's not about the cores where people aren't buying for core count they're buying for what they're trying to go achieve and we think this product is gonna be great but it has the right single-thread of performance that if you have a game that doesn't scale all the way they of course I'll still give you the best frame rate and then if you're gonna layer on top of that either a game that is more multi-threaded or a game that you want to go stream you can unlock the full capabilities of the product the other thing I would tell you is you know people typically buy their gaming systems they're keeping them for at least three years so we think this is a great future proofing angle if you're gonna come in and buy a new system this is a great product it always gives you the high clocks and it gives you the no compromising issues pork how do you do you think we're back sort of to the megahertz Wars it's so weird we sort of got into pushing four counts but now then it turned into equality of IPC yes now it's like it really does feel like who can push the higher class you know I think one of the things we've learned is we talked about you know multi-core is typically pretty hard but single threaded performance absolutely goes to the bottom line right improvements in single threaded performance absolutely show up frequency is a critical component of it and so we've been focused on delivering that great single credit performance because that's something anybody can enjoy whether you're a creator whether you're a casual user whether you're a gamer right when you look at that multi-threaded performance there are some classes of applications that can use them but there's a large you know share of the market where that kind of application just doesn't skip right and we to be fair 8,700 was even though it had a couple fewer cores in the AMD it was still everybody recognized it was a faster gaming CG yeah I think you guys did the testing around the gaming side and I think the numbers show themselves yeah right so that the argument is now we're giving you two more cores right and hi clocks absolutely two more cores higher single-threaded performance in the 8700 k right again a no compromise platform do you think this will be great right and if you don't want the world's best gaming processor by somebody else's you don't want the world's best gaming processor we have two others of launders we have an eight core I sell comes for you a we've got a lot of products for you guys to choose from and honestly you know we still have a lot of people still buying the 8700 K that product is a really great product right you know we love that product you know we've got a couple of really nice good products if you're an overclock or you want that souderton you've got three products to choose from from us today so that's another sort point of people it's like hey I used to get i7 with hyper-threading now I got to pay for it online at least with the current parts yeah what's the rationale for not having hyper-threading in the i7k part I'm having an i9 kapok yeah I think what you see us do in our product stack because we try to deliver a value at each of the different brand levels that we're trying to go put in if you see what we did with I seven this year is we move that product for being six core 12 threads to an eight core CPU we think eight cores and eight threads back to your question on multi-threading we actually thing that actually gives you better multi-threaded performance and it gives you better single threaded performance and you know the tests are bearing that out that product is a really good product and so Jen and Jen we think people you know will absolutely choose it if you are somebody who has the needs for higher thread count obviously this gives you that kind of scalability but again it's a generation to generation decision we make and we're constantly focused on improving the performance of the products we're trying to give you a nice M okay I do have some other questions from readers I should ask before I forget Greg Smith asks do you think deleting a processor is a good thing yeah we talked about you know I think from a deleting perspective we have a broad range of customers of our products some people are extremely capable right they'll do liquid nitrogen you know overclocking so we have a full range for the traditional consumer somebody who is using their product within the rated specifications we'd say deleting may not be appropriate for them but the high-end enthusiasts we're doing this stuff I think it's an individual choice and if you can get the most out of what you want from that product I think that's a that's something that you could choose to do so you're cool with it and he's also cool with it because if you deal it'd your CPU and break it you got to go buy another one so that's like selling you two t.j.s what's your post more strategy well I think you know Moore's law continues to be a huge lynchpin for how we go and design products but work continues we continues to go focus on trying to deliver incremental performance and when we look at how we're able to go and work on existing process nodes I think there's a great lesson there where we were able to go from 40 nanometers our base process to what we're delivering with our 40 nanometer plus plus products we have over 70 percent performance increases I think Moore's Law at the end of the day is delivering our customers more performance generation on generations and I think our products really deliver them ok and Gabrielle Ferrara asks when will we get risk 5 CPUs from Intel risk 5 CPUs from Intel yeah I'm not sure you're basically saying should you shouldn't move over from sisk yeah I know it's crazy right this is this was definitely deeper than I expected on that question but he's saying no never are you kidding what no I would definitely not say that what I would say is I would say hey you know what we're always evaluating what the right technologies are right we've been very happy with the x86 architecture you continue to see products from us on that sure anything when you can get the 5 gigahertz CPU out of Randee cores come and talk to us so a lot of people want to know Winston 10 nanometer gonna show up as you've heard from us before 10 nanometer is shipping already in low volume and we expect products to be on shelf on holiday 2019 Oh got it so it'll be here when it's here folks I do have a question about multi-threading so clearly I mean this is a course it's awesome with hyper-threading we get 16 you've got up to 28 18 cores and all this what is it going to take for developers get here because in it to be Intel has done a lot of work over the years to try to get developers to support six core back in the Gulf town days and we're still really games or like quad cores enough for the most part what's that gonna change you know it's gonna take I think this is a great question and and again Intel has been investing in the software ecosystem around multi-core as you talked about for a long time or compilers helped to go make you know software more more multi thread multi-core friendly but it takes a lot of effort and I think in some cases easier than others depending on the workload you're trying to go ahead if you are a content creation application those things tend to scale more easily I think on the gaming front it requires a bunch of redevelopment on the game development side and then you got to figure out if there's other workloads within the game if it's physics or AI or other things you can load in it's in some ways maybe a little bit like multitasking but it does take a lot of work now I think the good news is we have seen the game developers target to the hardware that's there and start to improve and I know a couple of years ago people would have said hey even a four core processor is more than people typically need and we're starting to see that move up but it's definitely pretty heavy lifting which is why we think at this point in time a processor like an eight core processor is probably the best tune for an application like gaming ok so if I have a 87 ok I need to upgrade so you know I would love for you to upgrade you know I think you specifically you definitely need our 99 hundred K processor there's no question about that you know again I think our products very exciting we have some of our customers that upgrade every single time we have a great new product we love those customers right but as I said the 8700 K continues to be a great product we have a couple of new choices and so I really think if you're ready for a new new desktop gaming system I think this is you can't go wrong with picking Nyjah you know I do want to ask this because and I think it's probably part of this is competition but people Intel you probably feel this show Intel you're like the Golden State Warriors or the Patriots you're just people are just sick of you winning how what do you say to the community is just like I don't want to buy Intel because they're too good right what do you say to those you know Gordon it's sort of like my son my son hates Tom Brady I'm like you got to respect that I hate Tom Brady your greatest respect the man you got to respect his his accomplishments but I don't know sports analogies work so much for us in this industry but I would say that it's really heartening that we have enthusiasts that are so passionate about the technology that we're delivering that they really want to argue about what's best I think that actually is good for us is the PC industry obviously there'll be some people who are really passionate maybe take it too far but I think it's really good for us looking out and seeing people really care okay but it's also earlier he had his rings on they actually have these intel like Super Bowl rings and they're just he took them all off I mean I guess you can't argue with whatever the market share people are still overwhelmingly buying Intel CPUs yeah I think you know we're very happy with the response to our products from the end customers but we've had a great year this year the PC market is doing very well overall so I think we're pretty happy right and that is the amazing thing is again you came into this one tablets were around and people don't remember this but it was it was doomsday like a PC industry and I'm never it feels like a second golden would you agree it feels like a second Golden Age where the piece just is like I remember the first month and the articles I had to read that the desktop was dead and my friends like why'd you take that job but now you know it's I think again I think the PC is very resilient it's a great platform it allows people to accomplish what they want and there's a lot of people doing very productive things even gaming today you know which can be very productive if you you know are interested in gaming there's a lot of people doing very productive things on the PC I think again that's fantastic I think that's why we have enthusiasts who really you know push the limits of what we do and today's product launches are about that audience right to really deliver to what they're looking for from us right PC gaming is worked out from I know everywhere from kids up to oh yeah college students if you're cool you playing the PC so absolute and world's best gaming processor we're gonna find out oh cool I just want to hold this up so we get the wafer shot we got a great prop to get in here just wonderful this and these are I nine cores yes they are Wow awesome huh all right well this has been a great time thank you for taking any of you thank you so much I appreciate Gordon you know I can't wait i we're gonna find out no he said this is the world's best gaming processor reviewers are gonna get this thing if he's wrong we're gonna come back and say hey what's up absolutely I'm looking forward to your reviews okay
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