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  • Welcome to the show.

  • Let's talk about this documentary,

  • which has thrust you into a firestorm, it feels like.

  • -Because... -Yeah. I can't check my Twitter mentions.

  • -That's true, yeah. -Right, right.

  • Because you have made this documentary,

  • which is really interesting and hilarious,

  • about Apu from The Simpsons.

  • Some people say you've made this movie to say

  • that Apu is only racist, and it is bad, and you are you angry.

  • Are you angry?

  • I'm 35 years old.

  • This-this cartoon's been around for a while.

  • I get other things to worry about.

  • I mean to be honest, do you want to really know

  • -what I think of Apu? -Yeah.

  • The network's not gonna like this,

  • -but I don't really give a (bleep). -(laughter)

  • Wait. So, so, wait. If you don't give a (bleep),

  • why did you make the story about Apu?

  • Well, a couple of reasons. One, because,

  • um, I feel like there's a gap. You know what I mean?

  • That there's a bunch of stuff that happened

  • that wasn't covered, because, like,

  • brown people weren't allowed to talk until, like, 15 years ago.

  • -You know? -Right.

  • -We're talking about the pre-Aziz and Mindy era. -Right.

  • -Right? -(laughter) -I like that. "Pre-Aziz and Mindy era."

  • -Yeah. P... P.A.M., and, um... -(laughter)

  • But yeah, so we weren't allowed to talk,

  • so there's this huge gap in who we were and what we...

  • what that experience is like, and what it feels like

  • when your only image is a cartoon character

  • voiced by a white guy.

  • So it's a white guy in brown paint,

  • and this country has a history of that. So...

  • Well, when you... when you look at the story

  • of The Simpsons, though, there are people who say:

  • But, Hari, you can't say this about The Simpsons, though.

  • The Simpsons offends everybody equally.

  • Some people would argue that Homer Simpson is a stereotype

  • of a white man who's not well educated in America,

  • and the family and the townspeople

  • represent stereotypes of caricatures of everyone,

  • so why would you be offended by Apu?

  • 'Cause there's a lot of different white characters,

  • and we just had a convenience store guy

  • voiced by a white guy with brown paint.

  • (laughter)

  • It really is... it really is just representation.

  • Yeah. I mean, honestly, I wanted to call the film,

  • -I Got to Explain This to You? Um... -(laughter)

  • -(applause, whooping) -It's...

  • It's representation.

  • I mean, we had this one thing, and that matters.

  • And I think a lot about post-9/11--

  • stick with me.

  • Um, you know, we only had two representations,

  • brown people, in this country-- whether that's South Asian,

  • Arab, Muslim American.

  • We had, uh, we had Apu from The Simpsons--

  • harmless convenience store character--

  • and, uh, we had terrorists, right?

  • And there is a huge range of humanity

  • -between those points. -Right.

  • And so, but that didn't exist on television,

  • the media, at the time, so all of a sudden,

  • there's all these hate crimes and deportations and detentions,

  • because if you only have two places--

  • convenience store owner, terrorist--

  • where are you gonna go, right?

  • Meanwhile, white guys, like, a middle-aged white dude

  • can shoot up Las Vegas,

  • and no one's going after all middle-aged white guys, right?

  • That would be an absurd thing. No one's like,

  • "Oh, it's a middle-aged white guy! Get him!"

  • "Don't shoot! It's Steve Carell!"

  • -Like, that's never... -(laughter)

  • that's not gonna happen.

  • That's an interesting idea,

  • in that the lack of representation

  • fundamentally shapes how people see

  • -Absolutely. -the world around them.

  • So when looking at this character, Apu,

  • there are people who say-- and I've seen, funny enough,

  • on your Twitter, I've seen online--

  • people who are South Asian saying,

  • "No, man, why are you doing this?

  • "I enjoy Apu. He's my dude. I laugh at this.

  • -Why is it such a bad thing?" -I enjoy Apu.

  • I think Apu's a really funny character,

  • but there's a... just because something's funny

  • doesn't make it right.

  • In fact, if something is wrong,

  • the fact it's funny makes it easier to push it forward.

  • That's how any kind of propaganda works.

  • That's how anything that is good art

  • -that has a messed-up message works, right? -Right.

  • So for me, it's, like, if we had a bunch of other characters

  • at that time, then Apu would have been...

  • it would have been fine, just one of many characters.

  • But that's all we had, and when you can shape...

  • I don't know if you know this, but there's, like,

  • uh, you know, a billion of us.

  • -(laughter) -Um...

  • -Wait, like, here? -No. My God.

  • -Oh. Whoa. -If there was... if there was a billion of us here,

  • -I'd have a show right now. -(laughter)

Welcome to the show.

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