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  • This is a new science: socio-cyberneering.

  • And this is its inventor, the extraordinary Jacque Fresco.

  • He's my guest this weekend on News Weekend.

  • My guest is an extraordinary Miamian: Dr. Jacque Fresco.

  • I could go through all the things that Dr. Fresco has done.

  • He's a social engineer, industrial engineer, designer, inventor,

  • was a consultant for Rotorcraft Helicopter,

  • Director of Scientific Research Laboratories, Los Angeles,

  • designed and copyrighted various items,

  • ranging from drafting instruments to X-ray units,

  • has had works published in the Architectural Record,

  • Popular Mechanics, Saturday Review, and has been a technical

  • and psychological consultant to the motion picture industry,

  • member of the Air Force design and development unit at Wright Field,

  • developed the electrostatic anti-icing systems,

  • designed prefabricated aluminum houses.

  • What does it say in your driver's license?

  • - What is the occupation?

  • - Industrial Designer ...

  • Social Engineer.

  • - Does it bug you that...

  • people, when they talk about Jacque Fresco in Miami, say that

  • he's someone who is, "Too far ahead of his time," his thinking is-

  • "We're not ready for advanced kind of thinking"-

  • of that type. Does it bug you?

  • - I imagine every creative person in every field

  • encounters that sort of problem. No, it doesn't. I can't afford it.

  • There's too many things that are important.

  • - What is socio-cyberneering?

  • - Socio-cyberneering is a new organization,

  • and it represents the application of the most sophisticated forms

  • of science and technology toward problem solving,

  • so that we can reclaim the environment

  • which we loused up over the years

  • and to build a way of life worthy of Man.

  • To humanize society, to break away from the artificiality,

  • the regimentation, that dominates our society today.

  • Our society seems torn apart, and pulled in many directions.

  • Socio-cyberneering is an approach

  • at the restructuring of society in humanistic terms.

  • - Humanistic terms? - Yes.

  • - The times I've spoken to you, you're very science and

  • technological-oriented. You want categories in people

  • ... classified in categories, certain people living here and-

  • - I never wanted that. - No.

  • - Let's say that we didn't read each other,

  • or I did not communicate the ideas.

  • In essence, to me, all of the marvels of science and technology,

  • all of the electronics and mechanical wonders,

  • are just so many millions of tons of junk,

  • unless it enhances the lives of men.

  • The reason we emphasize machines and technology

  • is to free Man, to go to

  • art centers, music centers, cultural centers,

  • and to find the meaning of their own existence and lives.

  • - How much can machines do? Can they

  • run the things that are necessary to run?

  • - Well, Mr. King, if we can

  • launch a rocket off the Earth while it's turning,

  • find a place on the Moon, land it automatically,

  • pick up samples of the soil, bring the ship back

  • without humans- I think the Russians have done this-

  • bring the ship back to the Earth, surely we can handle

  • airliners, or anything else with redundancy.

  • - The problem though is our political structure is:

  • How do you start changing a society this much,

  • which has really no political system?

  • - No, it has no political system.

  • It is not affiliated with any political party.

  • It is neither communist, fascist, nor socialist, nor democratic.

  • Socio-cyberneering is a sort of a quantum jump,

  • a severe departure in Man's way of thinking.

  • - How do you make a severe departure with millions of people?

  • - With millions of people, well, I think you pretty much understand that

  • most of the development we have in our society today-

  • the technology: the airplane, TV, radio,

  • modern production technology- is really done by very few people.

  • I would say several hundred people

  • comprise the modern technological civilization.

  • But you don't need millions of technicians and millions of scientists.

  • How many people that you know of today

  • sit in their home and play their phonograph, and radio and TV,

  • have any idea of how this works?

  • It's just happening around them...

  • - I don't have any idea. - ...and they're falling behind.

  • What is happening to Man is that his technological society-

  • the newer value systems that dominate our times

  • that are pressing onward- are just leaving behind

  • hundreds of thousands of people that cannot make the transition.

  • In other words, people that can't change

  • can be found in the Amazon jungle today: the head-hunters.

  • And we've got to change. I think the book "Future Shock",

  • or the book I've worked on, "Looking Forward".

  • "Future Shock" points out, that there are a lot of things

  • going to happen, whether you like it or not,

  • that the future cannot be stopped by anyone.

  • It is a continuous progression.

  • - But there'll always be large groups of people that have trouble handling it.

  • - Yes, this is true. - Look at the change of someone... - We agree.

  • - ...60 years old, who has seen unbelievable change in their lifetime.

  • - I believe they can change quickly

  • if the information is made available to them. In other words

  • to present socio-cyberneering in one shot is extremely difficult.

  • I believe that people should not be divided-

  • the youngsters, the adolescents, and finally the mature young adults

  • and then the older folks, are all divided people.

  • When you get to be 65

  • you don't want to travel on an ocean liner with old folks.

  • How come we put up these buildings for the old folks?

  • We think that people ought to live wherever the hell they want to live.

  • That cities must be designed so we have an integrated intelligent society.

  • Einstein, when he was 65, 70 years old, he would talk to youngsters.

  • He kept reading. He kept up with ideas.

  • Why must societies be divided into different groups?

  • We think that you're as young as your life permits you to be,

  • as your exposure, as your ideas.

  • - Alright let's- with pictures- explore the thinking of Jacque Fresco

  • and the society he'd like to see: socio-cyberneering.

  • Now, we'll start with this, and you tell me. - I'll try to point it out.

  • - Yeah, you can point right at it.

  • All of the new cities

  • will be a university, in essence.

  • The center of a city, the nucleus, will house

  • an electronic computer which only controls the weather,

  • water purification, the atmospheric conditions,

  • that is- it controls air contamination systems.

  • The computers do not, I say it again, do not control people.

  • They maintain safety, they oversee the environment,

  • maintain ecological balance between animal life and plant life.

  • All the machines do is control the physical entities

  • that comprise the environment.

  • The center of the city is a university.

  • A university that covers all subjects related to Man.

  • It is not a commercial university. It is not based on any-...

  • There are no courses that are used to exploit

  • or abuse any other human being.

  • All business courses will be phased out.

  • All repetitious jobs will be phased out.

  • We feel that machines ought to do

  • the filthy, or the repetitious, or the boring jobs.

  • That Man has to be free

  • to pursue the higher things, the higher possibilities of Man.

  • In other words, if this is the medical unit- this little branch-

  • and if you work in this center,

  • you may live in the garden cities that surround the center.

  • You don't have to. You can if you will.

  • Each of the garden cities contain lakes, recreation areas,

  • and between cities, we let everything go back to nature.

  • - Will computers be able to control the weather?

  • - This is a relatively easy project to manage.

  • - Easy to control? - Yes. - You could control the weather?

  • - I could go into that with you in a little while. - Alright.

  • - Can I finish that? - Oh, okay, sorry.

  • - On the outer rim of the city, we have the agricultural belt.

  • All of your garbage is compressed

  • and pumped, recycled out to the agricultural belt.

  • There are no garbage trucks. There are no dump fields.

  • We use everything. All waste is recycled.

  • This is an ecological program.

  • - Alright. Now, this is what the total city...

  • - The total city looks like this.

  • There are circular conveyor belts that take you

  • anywhere in the city in three minutes.

  • The city population in this particular city is 15,000.

  • We have larger cities designed, up to two million.

  • The cities are all immersed in beautiful gardens.

  • There are no trees in a row.

  • It is not a mechanical environment.

  • It is essentially a city immersed in a second Garden of Eden

  • where there are lakes, recreation areas,

  • art centers, music centers, cultural centers,

  • and surrounding the city we have the agricultural belt

  • where we grow foods hydroponically.

  • Between cities, we let everything go back to nature:

  • the deer, the coyote, the entire ecological balance is maintained.

  • - We grow foods, how? - Hydroponically.

  • - What's that? - Soil-less agriculture, in some instances.

  • And in other instances we use conventional agriculture,

  • which we'll get onto in the drawings as we go through the subject.

  • - Alright. What- before we get to the other pictures-

  • what jobs, that we now know, will not be present in this concept?

  • - Well, most. - Like garbage men, gone, right?

  • - Yes. All repetition. All people working in fact- - Mailmen?

  • - No mailmen, no waitresses, no waiters, no cooks.

  • - When you go out to eat, how will you get your food?

  • - Well, there are beautifully designed

  • areas for eating, in which you have all kinds of food.

  • Japanese, French food, organic food, and the standards if you like it.

  • - And how would it get to you? - The way the food gets to you-...

  • what we do is monitor the behavior of the cook.

  • That is, we do a multi-channel tape, on the best cooks that we know of.

  • And, as they prepare their food

  • we tape every move they make, and how they handle food

  • and how they dice the carrots, the way you like it.

  • Then you dial "2736", and you get the kind of food you want.

  • Chef Milani style, or individualized.

  • You can even tape your own cooking.

  • - I remember 5 years ago I used to laugh at you,

  • and now all this is very believable.

  • Alright, onward. What do we have here?

  • - Areas like India, where you have high population densities,

  • or areas like China, we just can't afford

  • to go on and make an individual house

  • for every human being. We just don't have that kind of energy.

  • Our population has already surpassed the point of no return.

  • We have to unify our architecture, not that I like it.

  • But we're trapped. We have to unify it and then make art centers,

  • music centers and gardens between the cities.

  • In India, this would only extend six miles.

  • And then you would have countryside, lakes, and hiking area

  • for most people. But, if you try to spread your cities out

  • as we're doing, you're going to louse up the entire area.

  • - Are you betting that people will not declare war on each other?

  • So that you can get at building all of this?

  • - Well, we don't have much choice. We're going to

  • destroy each other, or we're going to make it.

  • - Now, this looks like some sort of

  • submerged stadium, with something flying.

  • - In an area like Pennekamp Park, we might build

  • circular cities in the sea, where the water is about 30, 35 feet deep.

  • Most of the apartment houses will open out into the sea.

  • You can observe marine life and fish swimming by.

  • There will be no zoos, no seaquariums,

  • everything will be observed in natural conditions.

  • There will be boating, scuba-diving, recreation,

  • and universities built in the sea.

  • Socio-cyberneering encompasses the entire social spectrum.

  • - These drawings all made by you? - Yes.

  • This might represent an individual house.

  • Most of the homes will be individually contoured.

  • If you're an artist, you'll live in the kind of house

  • that is most suitable to your areas of interest.

  • If you're a technician, a musician, the house will be designed

  • for your needs. Most of the houses will be self-generative.

  • That is, the heat of the sun falls upon your roof

  • and lowers the temperature on the inside of the house.

  • The sunlight is scattered on the inner walls,

  • in which you have a phosphor coating.

  • And the room glows, all evening, with a soft glow

  • without any electricity, without any power waste.

  • All of the pavement in the area is black.

  • Under the pavement are heating coils,

  • that is, built-in PVC tubing, or wiring, or conveyor tubing for water.

  • As the Sun beats down on the pavement, we get all the hot water we need

  • without burning any fuel, conserving energy

  • all over the world, at a much lower cost.