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  • Also a huge financial burden which brings us now to the economy.

  • You know for a great many people it's become a system that is

  • in part, broken, in part a result of the 2008 financial collapse.

  • .

  • So how do we climb out and get to a place of progress?

  • Well, you know, big problems need big ideas

  • and here's one. Start with this: money

  • and throw it away. It sounds crazy, right?

  • Well, now we're going to talk to someone who thinks this might be

  • .

  • exactly what we need. Peter Joseph is a film maker

  • and also the founder of The Zeitgeist Movement.

  • Hey there Peter, I'm of course simplifying here.

  • It's not just get rid of money or currency. It's instead making

  • this monetary-based economy... you make it

  • a resource-based economy. Talk about what this actually means.

  • - Well actually, you're half right. A Resource-Based Economy explicitly

  • does want to remove the actual mechanics of exchange

  • and the market system itself, as radical as that may seem to most.

  • You have to understand, first of all, that the problem we're seeing

  • in the world is not the result of some bad policy

  • some legislation or some inflationary cycle boom and bust

  • phenomenon that we're typically taught in traditional economics.

  • The very foundation of the economic structure is intrinsically flawed.

  • We create money out of debt. We charge interest on it

  • which doesn't exist. We create the principal, but yet

  • the principal plus the interest is always outstanding.

  • People, it's a game of musical chairs to put into a singular phrase.

  • Everyone systematically suffers through this system and its offset.

  • So when you hear about debt collapse, sovereign debt defaults

  • these are inevitabilities of the system. They're not based on

  • just someone's rogue policy

  • or some flagrant activity of the stock market and derivatives

  • granted those are very important attributes of it.

  • But my point and my work with the movement is that the system

  • is intrinsically, inherently flawed.

  • And for us to get on a scale, on a pace, on a...

  • in a way to make our society sustainable and not suffer

  • all these economic consequences, we have to get down to the life-ground

  • .

  • and what actually supports human life, what we've learned

  • from the natural world, the systems that actually generate food.

  • When you realize this, we live in a technical reality

  • not a monetary one.

  • For example, one child dies every five seconds

  • from poverty and preventable diseases on this planet.

  • This is, of course, unnecessary technically.

  • We could easily feed everyone on this planet.

  • And when you extrapolate that train of thought, when you take

  • a technical perspective as opposed to a monetary perspective

  • we see we could resolve just about all the major human woes

  • .

  • on this planet by restructuring the entire economic phenomenon

  • to be truly economic, meaning preservation, sustainability.

  • - You were talking earlier and you said:

  • "Everyone suffers by the system." I think that maybe...

  • let's clarify a little bit. A lot of people suffer

  • but there are some people who want to keep this system

  • exactly how it is. Isn't that right?

  • - Yeah, I'd say the upper 1% [...] certainly has a prime interest

  • .

  • has a very easy way to justify the fruits that they've claimed.

  • We have 1% of the world's population owning 40% of the planet's wealth.

  • If that isn't a signpost to the intrinsic flaw of this system

  • that it's there to perpetuate one class

  • over another, I'm not sure what is.

  • So yes, the upper 1% has a very vested interest and naturally

  • that carries on to the governments which are essentially

  • funded and supported by the corporate institutions.

  • - And I know... - ...that continue this.

  • - You've written about this large gap between the rich and poor

  • and I know one point that you've made in your writings is that

  • America is one of the most socially immobile countries in the world.

  • I kind of had to stop and read that again when I saw that

  • but basically what you're saying, I think, is:

  • If you're born poor, chances are you will stay poor

  • other than of course a few exceptions.

  • How does this change under the "Zeitgeist system"?

  • - Well, it's not the "Zeitgeist system." This work builds upon

  • research by a man named Jacque Fresco

  • which builds upon researchers from the past 150 years

  • people that have continually thought about a different economic model

  • not based on monetary exchange

  • and all of the intrinsic problems that come out of that.

  • The Venus Project is something important to mention which I suggest

  • people look into that has a partnership with The Zeitgeist Movement

  • .

  • and it's a blueprint system based on referencing natural law.

  • What that means is you actually get to the life-ground

  • as I mentioned earlier. You look at what it means to make

  • a human being, what it means to meet the needs of human necessity

  • from obviously the bare necessities to all of the emotional

  • and biopsychosocial phenomenon

  • .

  • that actually generate our behaviour, well-being, and mental health.

  • When you put all this together which is a completely technical orientation

  • .

  • very limited when it comes to human opinion

  • this is what science has given us, by the way.

  • You see that the current economic model is stuck in time.

  • It's not actually representing what meets human needs

  • and the more you step back and look at how we could technically provide

  • for the human population, eliminate war, eliminate famine

  • eliminate poverty, eliminate 95% of most crime

  • which by the way is monetary related

  • you begin to see that an entirely new approach can be taken.

  • It's very difficult for me to describe that to you

  • in a very short little segment, but a Resource-Based Economy

  • is based upon resource management intrinsically.

  • Monetary relationships don't manage anything.

  • We have cost efficiency. We have all of these things

  • that inhibit our ability to create sustainable goods.

  • We have established institutions that are constantly trying

  • to preserve their market share. It's essentially a mafia orientation.

  • It's one group against another, everyone's battling,

  • and we have this illusion that somehow it's for the betterment of us

  • .

  • that we have this self-interest and it isn't.

  • It's provably not if you look through history

  • and what we're actually doing to ourselves, and we're on a train-wreck

  • to a complete environmental disaster and a social disaster.

  • - Peter, I want to interrupt you real quick.

  • I can just hear the bad election commercials in my head.

  • You know if this movement gains momentum

  • the people who this system does benefit are going to come back

  • and this is what they're going to say:

  • "He wants to bring us back to

  • ...he wants to make us a communist society."

  • What do you say to that?

  • - That's all they know, that's their entire frame of reference.

  • You see, the propaganda of the West and the Free Market

  • or the Free-for-All-Market, as I call it

  • is to constantly assume back, orient back to these old structures

  • that were based on autocratic dictatorship

  • with no real communist attribute to it all. A true communist idea

  • is a family, something I think we can all relate to.

  • We are about intelligent resource management

  • learning about how to take care of ourselves technically

  • and creating a ground-up system that does that.

  • And the only way you can do that is by the elimination of this...

  • this supposed self-interest intrinsic attribute

  • of our system that we think is natural.

  • Obviously we all have self-interest, but

  • self-interest must become social-interest

  • if we expect to survive as a species, very simply.

  • - I think one of the questions people would have is

  • under this system, what's the incentive?

  • What's the incentive to contribute more, to try harder

  • if in the end, we're all gonna be equals?

  • - Well, first of all, no one is just equal in an arbitrary sense.

  • That's a loaded kind of concept.

  • [We're] equal in the ability to get the necessities of life

  • to get out of the materialism that we have, that fuels

  • this conspicuous consumption that's destroying the planet.

  • These values will change, so the incentive will be people

  • actually understanding that when they contribute to society

  • or do something real, not work in advertising or the stock market

  • .

  • when they do something, and they're educated to actually contribute

  • to society, it's for their own self-betterment themselves.

  • So if I was an inventor, I would invent something

  • not to make money off of it. That's a very sick, distorted idea.

  • I would invent something to better the world, knowing that

  • that would come back to me in my own betterment.

  • So it's a completely different value structure, and the best thing

  • I can relate to you is the idea of a family.

  • The idea of what it means to live in a family

  • and the respect that's mutual in a family, where you are not tipping

  • your mother every time she brings you something at the table.

  • It's an entirely new value system orientation, and unfortunately

  • we have to undo the tremendous psychological

  • distortion that has been created after, more or less

  • centuries of this despotic system that is failing right in front of us

  • and will lead to simply more war, more poverty.

  • So I don't really have to defend it, but the fact that

  • all you have to do is watch what's happening right now

  • and what's going to continue to happen, if you follow the trends.

  • And just real quick if you do look around at what's happening

  • especially right now, this is not a... I know your idea

  • and your Movement has followers all around the world

  • more than 200 countries have chapters.

  • Talk about why this is not just a national idea

  • but kind of an international one.

  • - Absolutely, well, sovereignty is essentially a mirror

  • of a corporate concept. It's a self-preserving idea.

  • .

  • The world is gonna have to learn to work together.

  • I'm sorry to say to all the politicians out there:

  • jingoistic, patriotic. In the words of Albert Einstein:

  • "Patriotism is a disease". It's one world.

  • It's a single round planet, and it's time we recognize it as such.

  • We have to manage the world in this way too, so there's a

  • firm technical reality, it's not just philosophical.

  • So the Zeitgeist Movement is about bridging the difference between

  • all races, all nationalities, all religions

  • everything that divides us

  • because we all have to come back to the basic necessities of life

  • and we can't even get that right within a monetary system.

  • The suffering is unacceptable and not necessary.

  • So it's not... It's a global movement, firmly global.

  • - Unfortunately, we're out of time Peter but certainly a big idea

  • in this time that is filled with some really big problems.

  • Peter Joseph filmmaker and also founder of The Zeitgeist Movement.

Also a huge financial burden which brings us now to the economy.

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