mmm let me ask you to i mean i

you mentioned before that you spend time with congressman McCarthy

and I'm order II summit meetings were off the record as far as what they told

you but but

I'm wondering if there is any through overriding

advice that I gave you are or or what kinda questions you ask them

warm I was per i'm looking around washington politics for a long time

over many many years and so I've been around it i've seen a lot of it but I

was specifically interested in

what is it like to be in a position where you have to try to corral

218 congressman in a particular way

to try to get them to vote in a particular way to try to get them to go

in a particular direction and how

remarkably difficult that is particularly I suppose

you look at it for you know when he he he rose to power

in his rise to becoming the majority with I think happen faster than anyone

in history

congress you doing four years for on he also came in

at that time when a huge amount of new

congressmen were elected in many cases on the heels of the Tea Party

and having come to Washington with a kind promised they're gonna change

politics in the morn

do it the way that Washington does is so very very tough position

room for a guy like him to be an and it was for me very fascinating You Buy Me

with meeting which was an incredible thing to do

said and listen to and be part of and I was really interested in the mechanics

how many deputy whips to you how many times you go in me

your your all of those how much does your staff

do all that work right at what point you try to close things how many times you

fly back to your own district

already sorta in some ways slightly technical things

arm but also this or the interest in and how much do you

you know twist arms and how much does that kind of thing go on susan was very

hopeful

from you to spend time with both do you feel i mean

we know in Kevin spent a lot time Steny Hoyer and Kevin McCarthy for in

preparing for his will to do

spent time in the in real life politicians are for political spouse is

to prepare for this

I didn't David Fincher's I think

research

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merge so I didn't really work why here attributes

run other than that grace boards with woman

I think also the great thing about the way much go over to writers have been

developing

characters

I still don't know so much about Frank reston's government so many things as we

go along this journey

that its kinda fun sometimes and we have a certain characters

in in

the piece in the second season

foresees were you don't know a lot about them you don't know a lot about

backstory way

thank you in some ways it frees up the writing team in being able to

at some point used decide what you're going to reveal about a character

when you're going to reveal me you in a sense what great things about looking at

this in terms of chapters or

were telling us for a long period of time is that characters will

reveal themselves in time and with enough space

for it to happen want great things not being in a position at home to a pilot

for the series were

your obligated just spent 45 minutes establishing all the characters

charisma we've had this incredible luxury of being able to

allow it to evolve as Bo and his team have wanted the story

routed to measure itself must be incredibly liberating someone's right i

feel like i mean

it's funny I I know in a lot of ways don't feel like we're doing a series I

feel like that word

really long 30 film its that's the way it feels

truly revolutionary part house of cards which is the distribution which is

a I mean I don't know of the notion binge viewing

has been around for a while but this is the first I've heard of it and I think

because I've live streaming in technology

our viewers when I have a chance to experience

this in real time on their own schedule I guess it's the

elect it's the next iteration a box sets arm

happens that affected your relationship but I guess I'll start with Kevin

with your viewers and just how the rhythm a show like this proceeds when

you don't know when people to be watching

that's why I first have to say I think they've been spewing

has been around for certainly since boxes came along

you know for a number of years now you you talk to anybody about what they've

done on a weekend in this I stayed home and watched

two seasons of Dexter I watched three seasons Breaking Bad

so I do you think that the way in which people have been consume

and the attention spans audiences has definitely seems to have shifted

or at least on beyond what many television executives are far

audiences could have right arm in terms of how it shifts the way in which

audiences

experience something I think it's part of the excitement a bit

as a platform is that now audiences really

are in control in a way

I guess you could say that it's a little bit like picking up a novel

you can decide to put it down on the site a row

the bed when you want you it doesn't you don't have to you do

middle overs to upset you do the n-terminus you can watch three episodes

you watched all 13

so the bingeing part definitely is a guest

people better you know I had a lot of people some industries thank you sir

three days of my life but I'll I i think it's quite

interesting and exciting for an audience to be used to be in a position now where

they can decide how they want something to evolve for them

right route yeah someone means

and control doesn't comment

message think that's a bit too much it was a I

right are is

both W cubans with the its novelist

approach non-violent the make it also experience

that's why we don't actually that the subtitles sculpture

spread so

book you can side read five chapters once

were just one in space so

you know I think yet the

set out to make this one assessment TV show

at all more novel worth when the

we just want a great story I'm interested in sort of your

your view for the political world house for the room

2013 the world was blowing up nothing is getting done

a you have any any overriding

messenger or less and that you're drawn from what you're saying today

your where you see the country oh you 0

yes I'm asking happened yet yeah this is this is the area where

I anytime you start to actually talk about this sorta stuff you

you come under such criticism for even opening your mouth but I i think

probably a

I it's better that I just you know let the

experience that I'm having doing house the cards speak for itself

you want a balance up

I there was no

you exactly when the country's yeah I'm

I the question i mean essentially no house in Kearns

obviously draws into a national

pathos right now about politics again

it's the mixes exhilaration revulsion its

and against endlessly compel arm

minutes wonder if if this is a particularly cynical time for really

hopeful time I mean

it's hard to know obviously but move through more use its order on the

the Nexus and fiction them I'm I'm

me personally I'm an optimistic person and i actually think the show

is optimistic on how so because things get done

you well anyone who strives anyone who

the you know grasps for what they want

is a former optimism now the problem is that people take optimism and idealism

and they want to equate

to idealism can be incredibly cynical and

and in its intransigence you know on so

you know we you can get all the semantic things but yet

but at the end of the day were watching two people

who love each other who are ruthless in their love and worthless

in there work the

strife and I think that that's

optimistic wherever you whatever you think about them on the ethical spectrum

as up to you you know but I think they make an argument for the ends justify

the means and I think that they

on you know give us something complex

compelling and mysterious of

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