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  • The Beijing government does not like me.

  • Hi, welcome to China Uncensored,

  • I'm your host, Chris Chappell.

  • We're in Taiwan as part of our Pivot to Asia Tour.

  • Is Taiwan a province of China?

  • An independent country?

  • Or just an awkward-to-describe region?

  • Yes, Taiwan may be a difficult place for many of our American viewers to understand.

  • For instance,

  • Taiwan politics has successful third parties.

  • Sorry, Gary Johnson.

  • And Jill Stein.

  • Two main parties have dominated the Taiwanese political landscape since the 1990s:

  • The KMT, which favors closer ties with mainland China,

  • and the DPP, which currently dominates the government and views Taiwan as a separate country.

  • But the elections in January that put the DPP in power

  • also saw the success of a third political party:

  • the NPP, founded by several well-known activists in Taiwan.

  • Including Taiwanese heavy metal music star and now legislator,

  • Freddy Lim.

  • The NPP grew out of the 2014 Sunflower Movement.

  • When students occupied Taiwan's legislature

  • for 24 days, to protest a controversial trade deal with mainland China.

  • I had the opportunity to sit down

  • with current NPP chairman,

  • Mr. Huang Kuo-chang,

  • to discuss the Chinese Communist Party's encroachment in Taiwan and Hong Kong,

  • and the future of democracy in mainland China.

  • Thank you for joining us, Mr. Huang.

  • My first question is,

  • what is the goal of the NPP as a political party?

  • We want to become the second-largest political party in the near future.

  • The NPP - New Power Party - was founded last January,

  • kind of growing out of the Sunflower Movement.

  • Our strongest supporting base

  • is young generations.

  • And you mentioned the NPP sort of came out of the Sunflower Movement.

  • A lot of the political parties that came out of that movement

  • are often accused of being anti-China.

  • How would you respond to that?

  • It's not anti-China.

  • It's pro-democracy.

  • Pro-freedom.

  • Pro-human rights.

  • So that has nothing to do with "against China."

  • But to keep our way of life.

  • To keep the democracy in Taiwan

  • more vibrant, more mature.

  • Do you think there is a risk to Taiwanese democracy?

  • Oh, sure!

  • It's happening every day.

  • Our biggest threat

  • is from the Chinese Communist Party.

  • But you will not see any TV channels

  • dare to criticize the Chinese Communist Party.

  • Why?

  • Because the enormous economic influence

  • China has over Taiwan's many big corporations

  • which control most of our TV news.

  • How do you feel about the current situation in Hong Kong?

  • I...

  • To be frank,

  • I'm a little bit worried.

  • If we look at what is happening in Hong Kong right now,

  • Not only is democracy disappearing,

  • But also, its rule of law is seriously undermined

  • from all kinds of pressure from the Beijing government.

  • I know during the Umbrella Movement,

  • you had been denied a visa to travel to Hong Kong.

  • Have you been back since?

  • And here now, I'm still

  • not allowed to go to Hong Kong.

  • Why do you think that is?

  • The Beijing government does not like me.

  • We support all democratic movements in China.

  • We support...

  • - In mainland China?

  • Yes.

  • And we support all the lawyers, and we admired what they did in China.

  • It requires a lot of courage to stand out against

  • the Chinese Communist Party.

  • How do you see the futures of Hong Kong and Taiwan being tied together?

  • What happened in Hong Kong really gave many Taiwanese a lot to think about.

  • That is also why we try our very best to support

  • all the democratic movements happening in Hong Kong right now.

  • Because we realized that if

  • the Chinese Communist Party can change

  • the way of life in Hong Kong.

  • It is also very damaging and dangerous for us -

  • To keep our way of life.

  • So since the Taiwanese people

  • and the people in Hong Kong

  • both want democracy,

  • I think it's very important

  • for Hong Kong and Taiwan to stand together

  • against the authoritarian regime from the Beijing government.

  • What do you think the young people in Hong Kong and Taiwan can do together?

  • We can support each other.

  • When our friends in Hong Kong came to Taiwan

  • to talk with us, and to discuss

  • what they can do in Hong Kong,

  • to change the status quo,

  • and what they can learn from our experience

  • of becoming a democratic country,

  • There are simply too many things,

  • too many experiences we can share with each other.

  • What do you think the role of these young people is?

  • In the past,

  • many people believed young people don't vote.

  • So their voice can't be ignored

  • in the political arena.

  • But after those civic movements,

  • our young generation not only came out to vote,

  • but they will also try to influence their parents -

  • even their grandpas and grandmas -

  • to change the way they vote.

  • And how do you think the United States could help Taiwan better deal with mainland China?

  • I think with the help from the United States.

  • Taiwan, we have a better chance

  • to be able to build

  • sufficient capability for us to defend

  • our own democracy.

  • So to our American audience,

  • why do you think they should be concerned about the situation in Hong Kong and Taiwan?

  • Look at what China did for the past few years.

  • They tried to

  • change the status quo in East Asia.

  • and by China's unilateral actions,

  • the South China Sea region became one of the most dangerous regions in the world.

  • And it not only affects

  • people living in this region,

  • But also affect

  • the world order.

  • And even in the United States,

  • American people's interests,

  • By maintaining the stability

  • in this region, and also the Americans' business interest.

  • So if the United States chooses not to do anything

  • to stop China,

  • this threat to the United States had from China

  • is going to be increasing significantly.

  • Well, thank you very much for meeting with me today, Mr. Huang.

  • I have one final question, it's very important.

  • Do you think you could get me a spot in Freddy Lim's band?

  • What?!

  • I could ask him, but I don't see that being a big problem.

  • Alright, great! - Yeah, okay!

  • - Thank you very much! - Thank you.

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