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Thanks. Thank you.

I'm in the lion's den, Trevor.

I am not a lion at all.

Is that, like, an African thing? No. Um, welcome to the show.

Be-Before we get into it, uh, I-I know who you are,

because I-I... my Facebook feed has you in it.

Uh, there are a lot of people who don't, so if you don't

know Tomi Lahren, this is a little taste of her show.

The protesters are still out in force, but let's be honest--

they're not protesters, they're crybabies with nothing better

to do than meander around the streets

with their participation trophies and false sense

of purpose. This isn't for Hillary.

I'm not even sure this is against Trump.

It's the same thing we've seen time and time again

with these so-called protesters and demonstrators.

It started with the Occupy Wall Street brats,

moved on to the more militant and overtly aggressive

Black Lives Matter More crowd,

cycled through the DNC-paid violence instigators

and now here we are, November of 2016,

with President-elect Donald Trump and a crowd

of misfit babies formed from every failed movement,

all sandwiched together to become the largest group

of whiners the country has ever seen.

-All right... -Pretty much covers it, doesn't it, Trevor?

Quick question-- like, why are you so angry?

I'm actually not that angry. It's just there's things

that need to be said, Trevor, and a lot of people

-are afraid to say 'em. -In an...

in an angry way. I mean, you can't say you're not angry

and, I mean, this is-this is what you're known for.

It's a strange thing to say-- "I'm not angry"--

but that is the one thing... It's like Ellen saying,

"I don't like dancing." It's like, yeah, you do, Ellen.

You do. You-you are angry about everything, it seems.

Some of these people just need to be called on their (bleep).

-You know? I mean, when... -What-what... But when you say

"your (bleep)," what in particular?

-Well, when you're... -'Cause this is the-this is the thing--

protesting a, you know, fair and free election...

that, to me, you-you're gonna get called on your (bleep)

a little bit. It's time to clear the streets, it's time

to accept reality, it's time to move on,

time to make America great again.

-You consider yourself a conservative. -I do.

-Okay. -I mean, a millennial, so I don't really like labels.

-But, yes, I'm conservative in thought. -Sorry, my brain...

You just gave a label to say you don't like labels.

-But, anyway, um... -We exist on a spectrum, Trevor.

I mean, you're... Would you consider yourself a liberal?

That was just... that was just funny. That was just funny.

-It was just a funny moment. Um... -I'm a millennial.

-We can surprise you. -It's just... it's just funny.

Um, in terms of Black Lives Matter,

like, you know, you have quite a record...

For somebody who is not racist,

you have to spend a lot of time saying, "I'm not racist."

Uh... what is your biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?

I think-- and I've said this many times--

it started with good intentions.

I think it was. It was well-intentioned.

The moment that they started pushing "hands up,

don't shoot"-- which is a false narrative,

proven time and time again to be a false narrative--

the minute that that became their slogan,

the minute that protesting turned into rioting and looting

and burning and militant actions,

that's when I lost respect for Black Lives Matter.

Okay, but, now, here's my thing.

Let's address each of these things one by one.

When you go, protesting, turning into rioting and looting,

that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon.

That is what happens when there is a protest a lot of the time.

There are people who rioted and looted

when teams won in Chicago years ago.

It doesn't mean that they are now bad people.

That's what happens...

There are some bad people in every instance.

Going back to Black Lives Matter, though,

for you to say that... You say they have good intentions,

they had the good intentions.

How are you labeling out the actions of a few

and condemning an entire group? I don't understand that.

Because they subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement.

They say, we are the Black Lives Matter movement,

fry 'em like bacon, "F" the police.

They are saying those things.

These are a few people. These are a few people.

This is not the Black Lives Matter pro...

-These are... these are... -That is not the platform, though.

I saw it in my... my city of Dallas.

I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest looked like.

And I saw five fallen officers because of it.

-So I've seen... -That's not fair and that's true.

-That's-that's not... -No, no, no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor,

because the shooter said, point blank shooter said,

he's doing this because of Black Lives Matter.

Yes, and there are many things you can say.

I mean, if you go outside,

you can say anything about doing something because of...

You cannot deny that the man had mental issues, as well,

and he was in a tough place.

Just because you say the thing doesn't mean

-it's what it stands for, right? -Do you feel emboldened?

Because you're the same person...

You're the same person who argued on your show

that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK

doesn't mean he's in the KKK,

so it goes against that argument.

He didn't say... he didn't say... No. No.

-(applause and cheering) -It goes against that.

You can't say he did it because of.

No, but, he, the shooter said, "I am..."

Yes, but Black Lives Matter has never said

go out and shoot people.

I'm saying, you're saying this to your audience,

and I honestly do not understand where you're getting that from.

Just because a person...

What if somebody says, "I felt emboldened by Tomi Lahren,

and so I went out, and I shot black people"?

Are you now responsible? Is that your black...?

But it's not one... Trevor, it's not one or two people.

-If you look at it... -How many people is it?

If you look at it in every city,

-look at the protests that have gone on. -How many people is it?

In Baltimore, in Ferguson, in New York City,

the protests that have now turned to anti-Trump protests.

-These are not a few people. -Okay.

-This is mass crowds of people. -Okay.

They're doing this in the name of Michael Brown.

They're doing this in the name of Freddie Gray.

They're doing it as the front of Black Lives Matter,

and the mainstream media is emboldening these people.

Okay, so then let's use that same logic

that you're using, then, and then go, police.

Are the police racist? Because police in many cities...

You look at Baltimore,

or you look at what happened in New York,

you look at what happened in the case of Walter Scott.

You tell me, are police racist?

Because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly.

They've been shown to shoot black people

when they're unarmed. Does that mean the police are racist then?

Because that's the same logic you're using.

-It's really not, though, Trevor, because... -It is.

the mainstream media is not emboldening them as a group.

-(groaning, booing) -It's not. And did you know

that a black man is 18.5 times more likely

to shoot a police officer than a police officer is

to shoot a black man? Those are statistics

-no one wants to talk about. -(booing, groaning)

Here's the thing. So, let me ask you this, then.

If you say, as you said when you walked out,

"I'm not as mean as people think I am,

I'm not the person that people think I am,"

what do you wish people would understand about you

that are in another bubble?

What do you wish people would understand about you

on the other side?

I wish that we could disagree with each other

without thinking that we are bad people or ill-intentioned folks.

So because I criticize a black person

or I criticize the Black Lives Matter movement,

that doesn't mean that I am anti-black.

It does not mean that I don't like black people,

or that I'm a racist.

It means I'm criticizing a movement.

I criticize Colin Kaepernick.

That doesn't mean that I don't believe

in his First Amendment rights.

It means that I believe in my First Amendment rights

to criticize him.

So it doesn't make me a bad person,

it doesn't make me a racist to point out...

I mean, I've never used racial slurs to address people.

I've never looked down on someone

because of their skin color.

To me, true diversity is diversity of thought,

not diversity of color. I don't see color.

I go after Hillary Clinton,

-(laughter, groaning) -and she's as white as they come.

You don't... you don't see color?

So what do you do at a traffic light?

-(laughter, applause & cheering) -I don't believe in that at all,

when people say that.

There's nothing wrong with seeing color.

It's how you treat color that's more important.

-You're right. It is. -Here's my thing.

Like, all these points that you make are great,

and I do believe that you believe them.

And I don't believe anyone is actively trying...

There are a few people who are trying

to be bad from their point of view.

But when I look at what you're saying,

you say you're not pushing a racist narrative,

you're not... you're criticizing.

Do you really believe you're criticizing

and you're not mal-intentioned when you say things like

Black Lives Matter is the new KKK?

Because you realize Black Lives Matter can't be the new KKK,

the KKK is still around.

-They have not vacated their premises, -(clears throat)

-(applause) -and most importantly,

to say Black Lives Matter is the new KKK is... like,

to really, really minimize what the KKK did

and what they stand for-- that is not the same thing.

Surely you understand the incendiary, like...

-But... -feeling of your comments. You know that, surely.

It's controversial, but I think there are some things

that need to be said, and when the Black Lives Matter movement

is going out with signs saying, "Fry 'em like bacon,

F the police," when they're going out saying

if you see a white person, target them...

That is happening, Trevor.

That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago.

That is happening. So when that now becomes the narrative

and you're starting to loot, burn and riot,

-what did the KKK do? -That is not...

Look, we'll go around in circles...

Did you say, "What did the KKK do?"

No. What did they do? When you're saying...

-(laughter) -Wow. -Listen, listen... Trevor...

-Wow. -Trevor, when you're saying...

when there are people in the street saying

if you see a white person, beat their ass...

does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK

-or their motives to you? -Is that the narrative

of Black Lives Matter, or are there people

who are saying that within a crowd of other human beings?

There is a distinction between a movement and the people.

That is something that we keep coming back to.

But let's go back to what you were saying