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  • Robert Mugabe turns 90

  • Africa's all this leader says he's not going anywhere

  • freedom fighter for many he's perceived as a dictator by Western countries

  • Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe this his inside story

  • hello and welcome to inside story I'm Sam is a damn

  • Africa's oldest head of state celebrates his 90th birthday on Friday

  • Robert Mugabe insists that despite his age he's not ready for retirement

  • Zimbabwe will be marking its president's birthday with a lavish 1,000,000 dolla

  • party

  • is expected to exceed last year's bill in the gobi was presented a cake

  • said to weigh eighty nine kilos when a country still trying to

  • get back on its financial fate how much uva celebrates removed is there

  • how to a Taser sends us this update from Harari President Robert Mugabe will

  • celebrate his birthday on Sunday at the time I don't get up on

  • kilometres from Academy alright according to media reports the pots

  • cost about one million US dollars

  • government officials say a place to me the mighty coming from the nation's

  • from private companies the readings on PF party

  • but critics say a lots time up that money is coming from state coffers

  • and not happy about that think that the big money struggling

  • they say that indices operating in different pop it

  • hefty and the thing that most people I topless when you talk to the habits

  • people

  • on the CD thing a body are struggling to make ends meet

  • parents are fighting with a hot by money send their children to school

  • it by adding hot too basically feeding badly that p.m. that day

  • back to consider the average the bobbing yet economy

  • with not doing very well they want to be able to put more tainted

  • on fact is it is making money on but they celebrate

  • Africa's most elderly statesman has been in power since nineteen

  • a team that's when Zimbabwe gained independence from the British

  • Mugabe became president after leading a bloody guerrilla war against the

  • colonial rulers have what

  • was then rhodesia and his zanu-pf party has been in power ever since

  • despite repeatedly being rocked by corruption scandals

  • but at age 90 Mugabe's aides insist he's fit

  • and healthy though he was on another medical trip to Singapore this week for

  • I surgery

  • and is widely rumored to have prostate cancer well he could go on this

  • president

  • even longer a new constitution passed before last year's disputed elections

  • allows Mugabe to run again in 2018 meeting he could rule

  • till the age of 99 a lot to talk about when it comes to my god help discuss the

  • issue

  • i'm joined here by our three guests from how far away we have

  • about goto NDC her I province spokesman

  • from London Nick man wanna the UK chairman

  • zanu-pf and from Oxford Chalfont versatile a journalist and former editor

  • of the Sunday Mirror

  • in Zimbabwe good to have you with us we could start with Nick how was in bob

  • wins marking the birthday then do you think I've Africa's oldest leader

  • we thank God I am a with a good celebration

  • abt which defeat a man that is taken as from mom

  • and the colonial bond h2 libertine MN that is empowered

  • our nation so %um will we are gonna celebrate we will be celebrating in the

  • UK

  • will be celebrating in Zimbabwe in Marondera so

  • I head somebody talking about them

  • 1 million being spent on a bad day it's actually not robert was gonna

  • he's gonna eat all the food is it it's theirs but when you off

  • so is part of the 21st movements so we are we are we are very happy and

  • celebrating the presence best day

  • all right jeff amber what keeps Mugabe popular he's

  • clearly still Poppea with some sections of society is Nia is it his hero status

  • from the war of liberation

  • yes

  • arm I guess you could say that President Robert Mugabe

  • -ism one of the last of the big man

  • I'm those that derived from the African

  • national liberation struggle and I'm having

  • come through a bloody guerrilla war as you just intimated

  • I'm these credentials stand

  • him on solid ground as it where and I'm

  • also this narrative has

  • had every in today's Asian in the late 90's to

  • early 2000's when the fallout with them the former colonial power Britain

  • kicked in the narrative that was reignited

  • then was that a new imperialist forces

  • trying to subvert he knows about his sovereignty

  • and so even those that were born after independence they were mobilized into

  • this thinking that I'm

  • time was now to get there though loans and defend national sovereignty

  • and President Mugabe a stood up I'm

  • boa and reprised that role once more as a

  • the liberation champion and hand so

  • in that sense %um see the popularity

  • a of Robert Mugabe resonating

  • with those young people that are connected to them PF and and some within

  • the generality of his evolving nation all birds

  • how important is the war liberation how

  • much other focus is it for people for a younger generation who

  • are facing new challenges economic challenges

  • bill of liberation was obviously significant

  • in the sense that it's helped a so the bobbitt into independence from

  • many as a British colonial rule but that's eight

  • we now have been generous enough young zimbabweans more than stick it to five

  • percent of Zimbabweans are below the age of forty

  • and must have these youths do not have fest and information

  • on knowledge up there independence or or what some other people prepared to go

  • though of liberalism

  • and I can safely say that the majority took the people love

  • zimbabwe all I get what it indicated

  • at the youths and not very much in the morn to that

  • East Sea of this %uh go in the sense that

  • build idealize the man who

  • at the very advanced a diff ninety

  • Stu wants to cling on to power when it is paid

  • clear that is past its sell by dates

  • and that did you know the spektr nighttime you has the best option

  • did this the more you the police with tech yes missed a good to you continue

  • to get better I'll yes I think we'll get you got it wrong jury that

  • you got it wrong during the elections you'd didn't think that while it the

  • young people supported by Medina not to allow us to

  • in your program my last updated: step dad we review the majority of the %uh

  • people always at fault

  • sign up here I was blown into I wrong I'm not an old man myself

  • out in Zimbabwe hi I spend I spent a long time in Zimbabwe We Will Forte

  • committed by analog man let you have everything everywhere in our it

  • alright alright let's look at it tonight maybe the real really that the country

  • that's I'll take it to Nick

  • because she doesn't have a problem hi I on a second if you would mister budd

  • make the country does have a problem does know when it comes to unemployment

  • 8 it's risen to anything from 10 to 60 percent depending on whose figures you

  • take whether the official ones or the UN figures

  • imports are rising faster than exports I

  • the overall GDP per person is drop since mugabe came to power those are real

  • issues are they not how do you respond to the accusation that

  • Mugabe's trying to do with people up with patriotism to distract them from

  • the real issues your response to that

  • that's that's not correct we

  • ever attribute aid and we ended going to that one is true peace

  • the problem in it with unemployment is coming from sanctions which have been up

  • the in impose on our country you be such incentives op-ed that it had we will

  • SOS New York New York how do you call it adds okay I don't know let me they don't

  • really understand it will come to you in a second

  • this accident could the shrinkage you know in a stream they've

  • undermined all on current strain it said that we are using foreign currency right

  • now

  • is is as a as as a means of red soul want the sanctions up

  • up I lived in an era of our country we are going to

  • it up grow as a country our GDP is gonna go back to it was supposed to be

  • that's not the primary issue here okay all right let's thanks God which oooo

  • bitterness got 20 total

  • let me bring Albert into this discussion ISA

  • element of truth in that Zimbabwe's me on the sanctions and

  • E there are those who say the West seems singularly

  • obsessed with Mugabe big bats because of his

  • past in resisting colonial rule there are a lot of countries in Africa

  • that have problems that have corruption that have a problematic human rights

  • records but

  • is there not an obsession with with Zimbabwean with Robert Mugabe in

  • pantyhose

  • accept them as such

  • and that does not session as such because the way I look at it

  • the biggest talents that we have in Zimbabwe

  • since 1980 has been and peace attended corruption

  • in this country when you look at it when we come

  • up got independence in April 1980 Zimbabwe's arguably

  • this second largest economy in South Africa

  • in the southern region zimbabwe let the bed basket

  • Africa so to speak Zimbabwe was exporting to the world

  • we went and met food exporter

  • and thanks to mister Mugabe and send appear

  • we are now a basket case and that will be held attractions such as 2 percent

  • of the people that's not because the sanctions but not sanctions

  • is upset because of misread because of because of corruption

  • sanctions they have 10 I'd say no doubt that there is no doubt I already have no

  • doubt that this corruption in the country

  • mean alright let me let me bring let me bring gerchas somebody the discussion

  • yes yes yes I'm if I may come in with a perspective they

  • in response to first to make and then also to orbit

  • BAM I think I'm they is

  • a lot of disquiet a among Zimbabweans

  • about be consistent to a promotion of sanctions

  • as you know the explanation for everything that has gone wrong

  • in Zimbabwe bear in mind that I'm you started off with the

  • a a mention of the hard facts

  • you know concerning employment and economic performance

  • leading up to the time before the sanctions came into force

  • so already we had a trajectory unfolding

  • thats did not quiet I'm support as an appeal as a competent manager of the

  • national economy

  • though that issue of I'll let you know never ends 10 repackaged and then

  • secondly secondly just not right away from you

  • a little but not let let yeah I don't know what to tell you one thing I'm good

  • how the unpleasantness

  • I wanna talk about everything let's we couldn't remember let's

  • let's fast forward talking about this is you know the birthday of Africa's

  • all this leader let's look towards the future now Gabi has brought in some new

  • policies like

  • Zim acid its post to turn the country's economy around

  • is it working the laughing stock symbols

  • I'm it's not 10 is simply must look at it it's actually

  • I into lead let your fam behalf his two cents worth here that will come down

  • okay I think about hours hours I was a %uh interrupted

  • before I made the second part of my point that one

  • the sanctions excuses rather spacious find the is

  • you know to a level at which such as affected the economy

  • but also before such as came into force you must bear in mind the hard facts

  • which reflect an economic downturn

  • so the ease and inflammation they outside of the sanctions

  • to its okay can be made that the boy gonna try to open economy now 15 min

  • before you leave it that

  • yes yes that of course all but says they they they were there is no obsession

  • but by the international community on summer but quite clearly

  • that is the reason why is a mobile is so prominent in a in that on the

  • international agenda ahead of countries where

  • outright civil war he's it now has broken out

  • I'm that is the reason why you know britain in the EU in in the US

  • are more invested in Zimbabwe than they are in the DRC for instance where war

  • has always raced

  • okay okay all right point point taken your point is there's a bit of both

  • mismanagement and obsession I'm going to ask Nana turn the question back

  • now to mister over Tim Hardaway how let's look forward okay I know the

  • sanctions debate

  • verses economic mismanagement that can go on for a very long time but i wanna

  • look forward in this show

  • other new policies which zanu-pf have brought in

  • are they working Zim acid is supposed to be turning around the country's economy

  • says be leveraging resources to attract foreign capital

  • the ice not to work and if I could say since the stolen election have delighted

  • to 120 fate in

  • there's actually been an unprecedented the

  • liquidity clans and for the past

  • serve six or seven months is destroyed an election

  • of July that the defense last year there's been so much suffering

  • to the extent that on the averaged 30 companies at closing

  • every week and slide and as i'm talking

  • this Seattle on since the beginning of 2014

  • seven and Indian 23 companies have been

  • closed countrywide okay mango company that negative liquid day although

  • I'm looking at each that's here from the World Bank says growth is expected to

  • rise

  • 24.2 percent that's what according to the World Bank I'm not taking the

  • officials

  • statistical over six percent there there are positive stats

  • inflation is down to around 2 percent from

  • 231 million percent 2000 night because we are now using the multi-currency

  • yes I could answer that inflation is actually

  • very low because as you know since February

  • 2009 we have not been using busy but dollar

  • we are using predominantly the United says dollar

  • and in some cases like there with them at the Canton blow I'll

  • and the with and provinces the can see the you the South African rands

  • and in some other cases they use the British Pound Sterling

  • ended the euro but that is the main reason really

  • way we'd we have this very low rate of inflation

  • but when you talk at director production when you walk into a supermarket

  • in Zimbabwe in Harare in we ruin blow I'll

  • in the villages United that not less than 90 percent of

  • all the goods that you'll find in our shops

  • supermarket shelves actually imported goods

  • write me about to come bit sweaty as supermarket for such after all right

  • going good wat kind to those ones the bread basket

  • up decide okay let's bring Nick into that discussion production is falling

  • business is a closing down doesn't sound

  • like the government policies working if you listen to mister but

  • the the government policy is working zi ma cities a.m.

  • is an agenda which s to run from October 2010 Peyton

  • 2 2010 18 they're quick gains

  • in CMOS it past up to I mean we will be realized

  • up to 15 to 18 months these are best baits

  • you cannot stop every pollution because people yes be the best but because I

  • don't know what we have and probably just might be a problem

  • are you looking are you looking are you looking its I well we'll hear the UK

  • we we its fear is doubled to deep recession from 2007

  • you in all we only solid growth in 2012

  • so it took that role to have described in 10 what was the difference between

  • uplink is different are having a great deal of Highland is not a good look

  • Nick let's not make this point tonight lebanese a bit I love to hang on to it

  • let me put this question to you next summer

  • ask with with the challenge is clearly Zimbabwe's a country with challenges I'm

  • sure you'd agree on

  • on that point at least is Robert Mugabe the person who can lead zimbabwe through

  • such a very

  • difficult minefield of challenges at the age of 90

  • that's correct these do the best person to lead the public through these

  • challenges

  • he is very cognitively intact he's still got is due a visionary

  • and i think is the right right person to do that yet

  • all right let me bring the to fund the back into the discussion

  • love it seems the policy's going forward rely on the ability to bring in foreign

  • investment is it coming in

  • about no foreign investment is a is a a hard nut to crack at this moment

  • I'm even planets Minnesota Montana my sis trip to

  • Washington a did not a

  • bring back any positive fruits and his

  • next trip to China also came up with the

  • promises but very little substance and in the final analysis

  • the challengers in asset as an economic strategy is

  • not its content because many including critics have hailed it as

  • a sound document or sound proposals but the challenges how do you find it

  • in there is no a discernible a source

  • of the kind of money after twenty seven billion dollars

  • in a required to drive this and may I just say one thing about

  • on the topic that over the question that he just threw about where the president

  • will gather is the right person to drive

  • as a public forward I think I would agree with Nick

  • in so far as he I'm he he he recognizes

  • President Robert Mugabe's visionary intellectually astute

  • but in terms of I'm the structure of government way there is a lot of

  • centralization

  • and President Mugabe pettis a lot of executive authority

  • when whenever he's away for instance in Singapore

  • cabinet does not meet you know is that he did not let me that

  • so I miss you in terms of the executive authority of David you

  • into the executive authority over driving government the I think

  • the docs in right need in a and alright enough energy

  • I could say about wanted to add something they go ahead

  • yeah I was saying when you look at it the way this kind has been

  • I'm quite honestly you cannot in science

  • the fortunes of it can't see in the hands of a 90-year-old man

  • with due respect to be the first unto except that his intellectual suks but

  • look

  • the man is way past its sell by date we watched last night on local television

  • but television when he was a a city talking about his bed

  • on the eve of his nineteen method and into all that total sign that the men

  • who is leading the bezel felt

  • when there what the hell lol clean water a day

  • in by an alabaster you are good you could well lead by

  • with this I magnin tales of his number is not in the best sale he's the guy

  • that's all you know

  • you know you are not their part P let Nick had to go here

  • the record for the company's this guy was but I didn't overwhelmingly

  • end of story and also he was wanted in overwhelmingly

  • you want to get in but the rest of us what if I am but it

  • all right now let us he may have been may be voted in

  • there were disputes about the elections of course but can I put this point to a

  • question here

  • shop there are together allegations the government is failing to tackle

  • corruption for example which doesn't help the investment climate just a

  • gimmick

  • upgrades 2009 let me give you this example in 2009 for example Human Rights

  • Watch spoke about corruption at the diamond mining company

  • mango resources in 2014

  • the relatively pros and a PF newspaper The Herald

  • alleged corruption at the same for missus five years later is the

  • government doing well

  • okay the government is be more than enough

  • house I'll give you examples um all the budget talking about all the corruption

  • that's been cited

  • is because the government is claiming it sows the government is disclosing these

  • it's not like there's a

  • I'm some was abroad somewhere we squeeze you know

  • I'll unveiling all these we are saying is the government this is what has been

  • happening the parastatals

  • which where most of them another album the MDC during the yen you

  • before then they they do was not on a stock up also does not really

  • nothing happening in India in the past titles but between 2009

  • in 2010 stated the MDC

  • set on most of these are good and loyal was up to the minute they title

  • parastatals

  • he didn't do nothing now that were disclosed that this has been happening

  • you turn around is that you are wrong you did this to do that you want just

  • about do one of two underground

  • what I went abroad without disclosing website unique we have 10 golden

  • retriever best erect

  • result better results its however what what what I thought that only the best

  • management

  • we are changing they all corporate governance stock told the country

  • all that talk a lot lately make that's how can it let's not tell but it's not

  • like to come back to

  • up a go-ahead yep Nick Canada scored on my brother

  • we have good no less than seven to eight parastatals

  • in Zimbabwe 8728 Minister Toews

  • all love them paired with zanu-pf cronies

  • loosened every one of those seven to eight aristotle's

  • has been mismanaged what talking with their of

  • then as mud where National Railways enters its were talking loves their side

  • is that they're

  • power utility we're talking love birds the poor that the public bus company

  • we have to love that busy the what is supposed to the public but custer

  • we are talking I 178 countries I this way the company's largest to understand

  • that dip thousand US dollars per month

  • in the instanceof past month which is actually that did not appear cronies

  • what are you doing ok we have ever come across anyone

  • they were carrying that live in they don't know is how we know each other

  • okay yeah let me ask you this but in fact all that but ok let me ask you this

  • question

  • all love the fans all locations which are made to the government know but

  • could not the same accusations and criticisms

  • be made if the opposition mortgage anger eyes been accused of being

  • power obsessed by members of the party mortgage and a rise party's fractured

  • and when he was in the prime minister in 2012

  • the same newspaper the hell was running articles about corruption in his press

  • office

  • these actually nothing like that Morgan Tanqueray remains

  • the face of the demo trouble in Zimbabwe

  • and the reason why the the frenzy in design a bf controlled media but Morgan

  • sang like is because they realize that

  • he is a tough nut to crack and they realize that

  • with Morgan Tsvangirai outs of the way then they are going to have their cake

  • and eat it

  • that's why they've done have had been taken fighting include

  • over we just got a laugh a minute left I wanna bring

  • I wanna breach of amber into the discussion if i may to family looking at

  • the political map

  • it doesn't look good does it the the party

  • of Morgan Chiang Rai has fractures the party

  • zanu-pf has fractures what's on a future do you see awaits

  • Zimbabwe

  • well um it is a a very it's an uncertain future

  • in the sense that I'm both parties facing

  • a successes and challenges but I would say that

  • the opposition right now is in no way associated reysen than zanu-pf

  • because the man in central control or Sun a PF

  • is still firmly in charge Robert Mugabe is in charge of zanu-pf

  • and I'm he's in a position to dictate

  • you know the course in nature of the transition in zanu-pf

  • Morgan single-a cannot he is fighting for his political life

  • right now the MDC cannot intervene on the national agenda because

  • it is turning inward and has to resolve its own internal contradictions

  • now zanu-pf has contradictions underneath

  • a very you know a centralized command structure with Robert Mugabe on top

  • what the worst that could happen is up being ninety how far can he go

  • and both things have bright a resolved i to provide certainty that is the

  • question

  • all right we're gonna have to leave it there has been a brilliant discussion

  • let's thank all of our guests are but go to from the MTCN Harari

  • from London Nick mcguire from the zanu-pf party and journalist Japan

  • besito late thank you all

  • for joining us thank you and thank you for joining us here on this edition of

  • inside story as always if you wanna send us your feedback

  • just email us your thoughts at inside story at Al Jazeera

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