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CHLOE COMBI: Thank you very much for having me.
Yes, my name is Chloe Combi, and I'm
here today to talk to you about my book,
"Generation Z, Their Voices, Their Lives."
And to reiterate, it was a strange kind
of genesis, this book, because I'm not originally a writer.
I was a school teacher.
And I was a schoolteacher straight out of university,
and I taught in quite challenging
inner London schools.
And there, I started my own education charity
called Write Club, which got quite a lot of media attention.
And because of that, i started writing for newspapers,
sort of darkly humorous pieces about the realities of teaching
life.
And then from there, I started writing features
about, I guess, the grittier aspects of teen life,
so on grooming, and busing, and gangland
culture, and dog fighting.
And yes, those did get quite a lot of attention.
I think they were well timed as well.
And what became very clear was that there
was this real need for this window into teenage life.
So Generation Z was born.
And the concept, I suppose, was simple enough.
it was gonna take about 3 years to research and write it,
and I'd already kind of started.
And the aim was to interview 2,000 teenagers, which I hit.
So it's a big sample of teenagers.
And this isn't a book just about gritty teenagers.
It's from the most kind of normal teenage experience
to the most extreme, because you have to get the whole range.
And so I think it's a good insight
into who teenagers in the UK in the 21st century are.
So who are Generation Z?
Well, we're already talked a bit about this.
And actually, originally, and I wanted
to call this book Generation I. I
didn't want to call it Generation Z,
but we'll go back into that later.
And the small i, because I thought
the I for the narcissistic I, which
is a quality that this generation are accused
of a lot, the i, which obviously is
a sort of sly nod to Apple, which most teenagers are
completely enthralled with, I'm sure you know.
And obviously, i for information,
which is a real quality of everyday life
that we're all into.
But there was a fear that people would
assume that it was a book about technology,
and it's not at all, because I'm not a tech expert.
So many things.
So it became Generation Z.
And actually Generation Z was more of
understood as a sociological label than I realized.
Because we've all heard of Generation X.
That was a real thing, and there was books on Generation X.
But Generation Y, which I'm guessing most people in here
fall into, kind of fell through the cracks?
And they were sometimes called the millennial generation,
and sometimes called the post-baby boomer generation.
So on a very simple level, Generation Z
are the children of Generations Y and Generation X.
And some of them probably actually
have grandparents now who are Generation X, which
is a bit terrifying.
And for me, for my purposes, they were teenagers.
Everyone who I interviewed in this book
and who is in this book is between the ages of 13 to 19.
But for some people writing about Generation Z,
they widen that cohort a little bit,
and they're probably more 12 to 22 year-olds.
And currently there's a lot of scare pieces about how
the oldest of Generation Z are about to enter the workplace,
and ill-equipped they are, and how they can't talk properly,
and don't write properly, and they write in text speak,
and speak in text speak.
But for my purposes, they were teenagers.
On a much more complex level, they were as complex
as any big group of people.
They're as complicated, and as strange, and as multifaceted,
and as normal, and as likable, and a unlikable,
and as difficult to define as any other large group.
But there were themes, and they were coming up again,
and again, and again.
They became quite predictable, and they
formed the natural chapters of the book.
And not in any order, and I can't never
remember all of these, but they are sex, of course,
and body, of course, school, family, friendships
and relationships, crime, gender, class, race,
the future, and technology.
And technology particularly I wanted to focus on a bit,
obviously, considering this audience.
But also because it is interesting
for this generation, because this is the first generation--
this is the thing that differentiates this generation.
This is the first generation that have grown up
with the internet.
They've grown up with social media.
They've grown up with mobile phones,
and they've never known a world without those things.
The rest of it's probably can remember a world when
we didn't have those things, but this generation has never
known world without them, and it's massively
influenced who they are, and how they've evolved,
and how they think.
And on the way, I actually met a few kids,
several who spring to mind, and I'm
gonna read you a very short piece, who
didn't realize that the internet used to not exist.
And they actually thought I was pulling their leg,
and they had to go and google this fact, which obviously
in ironic in and of itself.
And I'm going to read you a very short piece from the book.
Now this is a trigger warning.
There's swearing.
And if you do end up reading this book,
there's lots of swearing, and there's
lots of quite grim stuff in it.
There's lots of really funny and happy stuff as well,
but there is swearing.
And I'm not going to give you the whole description,
but these are three boys, and basically
them describing their relationship every day
with technology.
And these three boys have never read a book,
except "Holes" by Louis Sachar, because they were made to,
and "Romeo and Juliette," because they
were made to at school.
And they figured that they probably
accrued individually, probably about $250 a week
online in some way, like gaming and so on.
And these are three different boys.
One's called Raj, one's called Abdi, and one's called Jouad,
Do you know what I found out the other day?
That the internet used to not exist.
I didn't know that, and my mind was all like, the fuck.
And this is the next one.
You're such a fool.
Of course it didn't used to exist.
Mobile phones used to not exist.
That's jokes, man.
Can you imagine no mobile phones?
How would you even talk to people?
With your mouth, you dickhead.
But no, man.
The world would be so shit without all the stuff we have.
The teachers are all negative about it
and say it's sucking our brains up, but that's bullshit.
I was gaming with this sick guy in Columbia the other day.
He told me the shit about Colombia
that I didn't know from geography lessons.
That's educational.
And he told me he gangbanged my mum and sisters as well.
But that's just gaming, isn't it?
You cuss each other to the max.
It's psychological banter, isn't it?
You want them to get all pissed off with you so that they lose.
And it goes on.
So that leads on to my next question, which
is do teenage boys and girls engage with and get treated
by the internet differently?
well, that piece obviously referenced gaming quite a lot.
And I'm not gonna go into gaming today, because I don't game,
and I don't really know enough about the logistics
and the politics of it to really go into in detail.
What I do know is that it's a real red button
topic at the moment, particularly
to do with gender, because there's
this whole thing about how it's a traditionally male thing,
and more and more girls want to game.
But thumbs up to teenage boys.
I will say that I met very few who seemed
to have a problem with that.