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  • Charles Darwin turned our world upside down.

  • His theory of evolution by natural selection

  • is one of the most profound and far-reaching ideas in human history.

  • It's also, alas, one of the most controversial.

  • Science now has the evidence that proves evolution is true.

  • Yet today, incredibly,

  • the opposition to Darwin is more fiercely vocal than ever -

  • denying plain facts in more and more elaborate ways.

  • You haven't seen it and I haven't seen it,

  • so please stop calling it science!

  • If we had gone from slime to human beings,

  • there'd be an overwhelming amount of evidence.

  • You are a teacher of science,

  • and you think that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old?

  • Yes, I do.

  • In this programme, the increasingly aggressive backlash.

  • "Right now, your destiny is all (BLEEP) up. (BLEEP) atheist!"

  • The battles that I think really matter...

  • We can't get into the business of knocking down kids' religions

  • and the religions of families.

  • Why not, actually?

  • Because...

  • ..and how the first man to understand evolution

  • himself wrestled with religious faith.

  • For Darwin, the problem was close to home -

  • his beloved wife was a devout Christian.

  • Today, we have public battles

  • as we confront the ranks of religious fundamentalists

  • eager to attack Darwin's great legacy,

  • which they just don't understand.

  • When I was a young boy, I looked to God to explain life.

  • And then I was introduced to Darwin and evolution by my father.

  • At first, I didn't get it.

  • It didn't seem possible to me that something so simple

  • could explain so much.

  • But then I learnt, thought about it a bit more

  • and then suddenly the penny dropped.

  • I really got it.

  • This incredibly simple theory

  • really was capable of explaining everything about life -

  • the beauty, the complexity, the diversity.

  • Then I thought, "Well, if science can explain something

  • "so apparently inexplicable as life,

  • "who knows what the limits might be

  • "on what science could explain more generally,

  • "without any recourse to the supernatural?"

  • At that moment, I became an atheist and I've never looked back.

  • Charles Darwin too changed his mind about this biggest of questions.

  • As a young man, during his voyage on the Beagle,

  • Darwin still believed that God

  • had created the world and everything in it.

  • But then he came across more and more evidence

  • that showed that life must have evolved.

  • Fossil ancestors, patterns of anatomical resemblance,

  • startling similarities in embryos

  • and the power of domestic breeding

  • all showed that life forms had changed over time.

  • Darwin believed there was an entirely natural explanation.

  • All animals vary, and in the competition of nature,

  • some variations are more successful

  • and more likely to reproduce than others,

  • passing their variation on.

  • Here in his study at Down House,

  • Darwin grasped that the religious story of creation

  • ran against the evidence of the natural world.

  • With evolution, God just wasn't part of the picture.

  • But there was a problem for Darwin. His wife, Emma, was religious

  • and the trouble began soon after they got married in 1839.

  • Emma wrote him a letter describing her deep faith.

  • But Darwin was no longer convinced there was a God.

  • He agonised over the letter and scribbled on it,

  • "When I am dead, know that many times

  • "I have kissed and cried over this."

  • Darwin never criticised religion directly in public.

  • I think he didn't want to hurt his wife's feelings.

  • Instead, he let his science do the talking.

  • He predicted science would bring about

  • a gradual illumination of minds.

  • Yet sadly today, it seems harder and harder for people to see the light.

  • Here, in the 21st century, people are retreating from reason,

  • trying to turn back the clock to a world before Darwin.

  • Genesis chapter one says everything that God made was very...?

  • None of you think kill or be killed, survival of the fittest,

  • nature red in tooth and claw is good.

  • Is the world really 6,000 years old?

  • D'you realise, up till Noah's day,

  • people lived to be nearly a thousand?

  • You don't die because you get old, you die because you're a sinner.

  • Up till Noah's day, there's no record of rain.

  • The Australian John Mackay

  • is a celebrity among evangelical Christians.

  • He's a creationist.

  • He believes in the literal truth of the Bible's creation story

  • and attacks evolution on the very crudest level.

  • I didn't grow up brainwashed with this.

  • It's the result of finishing my university course,

  • listening to students say,

  • "If evolution is true, why can't we see it happening?"

  • Third-year genetics question to the professor.

  • You take that seriously?

  • Oh, yeah! The professor, his answer,

  • I took even more seriously when he said,

  • "It happens so slowly you wouldn't expect to see it happening."

  • All of a sudden I thought, "Hang on!"

  • And that's true.

  • Good! In other words, what you don't see happening is not science,

  • it's unobservable, and you were the first person to admit it on PBS.

  • You're using the word "see"

  • as meaning "see within one lifetime".

  • If a phenomenon takes millions of years,

  • of course you won't see it.

  • Which means you have a faith position...

  • It does not mean...

  • ..and you need to admit it, as you weren't there.

  • It means you use other evidence than the evidence of one man's eyes.

  • You have to look...

  • Oh, sorry, Darwin was only 1859.

  • That's only 150 years ago almost, right?

  • And you haven't seen it and I haven't seen it,

  • so please stop calling it science.

  • Call what you're teaching philosophy or atheism

  • if you're gonna really be honest, and my time is up.

  • That's ridiculous, but anyway... Thank you very much and bye.

  • The refusal to believe in anything you can't see yourself is absurd.

  • Think about it.

  • I never saw Napoleon with my own eyes,

  • but that doesn't mean Napoleon didn't exist.

  • 'John Mackay can't see a cell or an atom

  • 'or weather systems on the other side of the world.

  • 'Does that mean they don't exist?'

  • Darwin didn't just trust his own eyes.

  • He checked his theory against evidence gathered

  • through extensive correspondence with naturalists across the world.

  • Mackay, it seems to me,

  • misunderstands science at a deep level.

  • Science is precisely not limited

  • by what we can see with our own eyes in one lifetime.

  • 'The whole wonderful endeavour of science

  • 'is to investigate phenomena beyond human experience,

  • 'from far-off galaxies to microscopic bacteria.'

  • 'from far-off galaxies to microscopic bacteria.'

  • 'Creationism's next best strategy is not flat denial

  • 'but to claim there is evidence against evolution

  • 'and that a genuine debate is yet to be had.

  • 'This is the creationists' favourite claim in America,

  • 'where the battle between faith and science really rages.'

  • Charles Darwin's struggle with religion was private.

  • 'Today, the battle has become public.

  • 'In my lifetime, opposition to evolution has grown,

  • 'particularly in the United States.'

  • 50 years ago, the Soviet Union launched Sputnik

  • and the space race began.

  • In response, the Americans made science priority number one.

  • The Government poured money into science education.

  • For the first time,

  • evolution was taught in every classroom in America.

  • But the religious fundamentalists hit back.

  • Tell me, Joe, how does he explain away God?

  • Well, why don't you come to the science club meeting?

  • Let him tell you.

  • 'To defend their Bible against the biologists,

  • 'they developed creation science,

  • 'a bizarre fusion of scientific language and religious doctrine

  • 'that they touted as a real alternative to evolution.'

  • Our eyes are amazing little instruments.

  • But they're only one part of the wondrous body that God has given us.

  • 'I worry that this is brainwashing, not science.

  • 'And I've felt compelled to take a stand.'

  • '40th floor.'

  • 'My book, The God Delusion, has put me firmly in the front line

  • 'in the battle between religion and reason.'

  • Can I sign in? Richard Dawkins.

  • Hello.

  • I'm one of your biggest fans.

  • Can I speak to the number one British intellectual?

  • I've read all your books.

  • That's very kind. Thank you.

  • Can I touch the hem of your gown?

  • LAUGHTER

  • 'The most powerful nation on Earth is polarised.

  • 'At this conference of atheists, I'm treated almost like a rock star.

  • 'But there are sections of American society

  • 'that would happily lynch me.'

  • Are you religious at all? I mean, do you pray?

  • No, of course not.

  • You're not religious at all?

  • Do I look religious?

  • "I hope you die slowly and you (BLEEP) burn in hell,

  • "you damn blasphemy.

  • "And you should realise that your entire life has been a delusion

  • "and that right now your destiny is all (BLEEP) up. (BLEEP) atheist!

  • "Go (BLEEP) yourself. You, sir, are an absolute ass.

  • "Your feigned intelligence is nothing more

  • "than the fart of God.

  • "You suck. Go burn in hell.

  • "Satan will enjoy torturing you. Christian living for God."

  • "There is a God. Her created all of us.

  • "The only one who is blinded are the unsaved and stubborn.

  • "Everything Darwin said is wrong and evolution has never been proven

  • "and nothing is evolving now. The Bible is the best book.

  • "Nothing even comes close to its accuracy

  • "and if you think God's judgment is bad

  • "the devil has worse in store for all unbelievers."

  • No punctuation at all in that one.

  • 'It doesn't scare me. I mean, I rather pity these people.'

  • They react in a way that sounds defensive

  • and, actually, really rather pathetic.

  • "Ha-ha, you (BLEEP) dumb-ass.

  • "I hope you get hit by a church van tonight and you die slowly."

  • (LAUGHS)

  • 'But there's also an entirely different kind of opposition -

  • 'slick in style and with a more polished line of attack.

  • 'Wendy Wright is president of Concerned Women for America.'

  • Wendy Wright, yeah.

  • 'She represents half a million evangelical women

  • 'concerned about issues ranging from lesbians on TV to poor old Darwin.'

  • Hi.

  • Hello. I'm here to see Wendy Wright.

  • I'll take you right in.

  • Thank you very much.

  • 'I worry that her organisation

  • 'would condemn American children to ignorance

  • 'by attacking sound, scientific evidence.'

  • Why is it so important to you

  • that people not believe in a creator?

  • That's not the point.

  • The point is that as a scientist,

  • I'm concerned that children in American schools

  • and in schools elsewhere

  • should be exposed to the evidence

  • and allowed to make up their minds about the evidence.

  • We completely agree. In fact, that's why the challenge in America,

  • whenever this debate comes up,

  • is teach the controversy, teach the evidence,

  • because as it is now, in many cases,

  • school children are only being taught about evolution,

  • they're not being taught about the frauds in evolution

  • and the lack of evidence in evolution.

  • So it's actually us who are arguing for teaching all the evidence,

  • not just the ones that are favourable to evolutionists.

  • You could say, "Which controversy?" I mean...

  • 'Teach the controversy. Sounds wonderful, doesn't it?

  • 'And it would be if it was a controversy

  • 'between equally valid points of view.

  • 'But it isn't.

  • 'I doubt if Wendy Wright would "teach the controversy"

  • 'about the Earth being flat

  • 'because the evidence for the Earth being a sphere is so massive.

  • 'There's also massive evidence in favour of evolution,

  • 'but she doesn't seem to want to know about it.'

  • Oh, really?

  • And actually, the way you frame this and your very closed mindedness

  • really is a very good example of the kind of censorship we see

  • within the scientific community that won't even allow discussion

  • about the controversy that if evolution had occurred,

  • then surely whether it's going from birds to mammals

  • or even beyond that, surely there'd be at least one evidence...

  • There's a massive amount of evidence.

  • I'm sorry, but you people

  • keep repeating that like a kind of mantra.

  • Because you just listen to each other.

  • I mean, if only you would just open your eyes

  • and look at the evidence.

  • Show it to me. Show me the bones.

  • Show me the carcass,

  • show me the evidence of the in-between stage

  • from one species to another.

  • Go and look at some modern palaeontology labs,

  • talk to some modern palaeontologists.

  • Look at that evidence, it's beautiful.

  • The evidence for the transition between

  • the reptilian jaw and the mammalian jaw.

  • The reptilian jaw has several bones,

  • the mammalian lower jaw has only one bone,

  • and the other bones that were in the reptile

  • have now moved into the inner ear.

  • It's a beautiful transition. There are so many beautiful stories.

  • You would be fascinated.

  • 'So, is there evidence for evolution or isn't there? Let me show you.'

  • 'I'll begin with fossils.

  • 'There are now literally millions of fossils

  • 'in museums all over the world.

  • 'They've been dated and documented

  • 'and the relationships between them analysed.

  • 'When mapped out through time,

  • 'the anatomical connections can only be explained by evolution.

  • 'All life is related in a vast family tree.'

  • Fossils also show how life forms change over time

  • along individual branches of the tree.

  • Look at these skulls.

  • The so-called "missing links" show the growth of our ancestors' brains

  • over the last three million years

  • as we evolved from something like a chimp on hind legs to modern humans.

  • But there's even more convincing evidence.

  • There is a code of four chemicals in every cell of every living thing -

  • DNA.

  • Today, machines like these

  • can analyse and compare DNA with absolute precision.

  • So Darwin's theory can be tested.

  • Is it true?

  • Yes. The results match the fossils.

  • DNA links all life through the code

  • and the more closely related two species are physically,

  • the more similar their code.

  • 'This is just part of the mountain of evidence that supports evolution.

  • 'Some religious people just don't know enough about it. But some do.

  • 'And their strategy is even more bizarre.

  • 'They see God's infallible hand in everything.'

  • Well, the evidence that we have is the same for both of us.

  • Whereas you might see fossils as evidence for evolution

  • I might say this is evidence for a worldwide flood.

  • 'Would you want someone like this

  • 'teaching your children science in Britain in 2008?

  • 'This is Nick Cowan, chemistry teacher

  • 'at a well-respected Northern grammar school.

  • 'And he uses American creationist material

  • ' in his general studies class.'

  • But you know, it's not just fossils, don't you?

  • The molecules of DNA, the molecules of protein,

  • when you look at a mole and a rat

  • and a kangaroo and a human and a monkey,

  • they're all hard molecules that you can see,

  • just as you can in your chemistry teaching,

  • and they fall on a perfect family tree.

  • It all fits. It's so elegant and you, as a scientist,

  • would appreciate it, if only you could remove your blinkers

  • and look at it as a scientist should.

  • How old do you think the world is, by the way?

  • I don't have a...

  • If I said less than 6,000 years,

  • you'd probably feel, "This man is crazy,"

  • but I've had a look at this, I don't know,

  • the dating methods we have are flawed in their methodology.

  • You are a teacher of science in a major British school

  • and you think that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.

  • Yes, I do.

  • I would rather believe God who was there, who's told us,

  • than scientists who are fallible,

  • who don't know the past, who weren't there.

  • And again, all I'm doing is...

  • 'This is a classic old chestnut -

  • 'God is infallible, therefore the Bible is right.

  • 'It's as if I claimed Darwin was infallible

  • 'so what he said was always right.

  • 'Luckily, scientists don't work that way.

  • 'We sustain our ideas not through sacred texts,

  • 'but through reason and evidence.'

  • And again, all I'm doing is bringing

  • healthy debate into the science lesson.

  • We have about a dozen different radioactive clocks

  • and they all point to roughly the same answer,

  • which is that the world is between four and five billion years old.

  • And when you say, "God told us,"

  • you're talking about a particular document

  • for which there is no particular historical authenticity

  • and you're putting that above the whole of science

  • and you are a science teacher.

  • If there is a God, his word must be more important

  • than the work of fallible human scientists.

  • I'm all in favour of teaching children to think for themselves

  • and to question for themselves - that's great.

  • But there are limits to that

  • and I think that when the evidence is so massive,

  • you owe it to the children to teach them what the evidence is.

  • What creationists like Nick Cowan claim is God's perfect creation

  • is in fact the result of evolution's arms race.

  • Animals have evolved extraordinary adaptations

  • to fit their environment, but they're not perfect.

  • Designers can go back to the drawing board.

  • Evolution is condemned to modify what's already there.

  • So nature is full of compromises and imperfections.

  • Creationists also ask how something so apparently perfect as the eye

  • just sprang into existence.

  • Well, it didn't.

  • The basic chemistry that makes up a light-sensitive cell

  • is shared right across the animal kingdom

  • and natural selection has seized on this time and time again.

  • Science has uncovered species

  • at every stage in the evolution of the eye.

  • It is a cumulative process and each step of the way

  • is more useful than the one before.

  • The eye has evolved independently at least 40 different times

  • around the animal kingdom

  • and it has evolved gradually, improvement on improvement.

  • And yet...

  • No sensible person would have ever left the body the way it is.

  • Like what? What's a good example of that?

  • The most dramatic is... is the human eye.

  • You know, it's held up as this example of perfection in the body.

  • It's not perfect!

  • It's the perfect example of... of why the body is not designed.

  • Cover one eye if you would, please.

  • And we take the pin and we move it right...

  • You have to keep looking right at the bridge of my nose.

  • Right, OK.

  • Keep your eye fixed.

  • Now we'll move it out a bit, about 15 degrees and right about there...

  • Yeah, it's gone.

  • It's gone. You can't see it?

  • No.

  • Now can you see it?

  • Yes.

  • Now can you see it?

  • Yes.

  • Now can you see it?

  • No.

  • A blind spot. That's lousy.

  • Our bodies are so fabulous in some respects.

  • Our heart keeps beating and never takes a five-minute vacation

  • for decade after decade, that's astounding!

  • But we have an appendix, and wisdom teeth, birth is difficult,

  • many people get near-sightedness,

  • and the combination of some things so perfect

  • and other things being being such botched jobs

  • is what should make us all sit up and take notice

  • this is something shaped by natural selection -

  • it has a lot of vulnerabilities built in

  • explained only by how natural selection works.

  • 'So our botched, compromised bodies

  • 'are themselves evidence of evolution.

  • 'They're shot through with history.

  • 'Evolution is a fact.

  • 'It's documented by science to the same degree Napoleon is by history.

  • 'Some things are just true, they're not a matter of choice or opinion.

  • 'But you'd never guess that in the place

  • 'where this matters more than anywhere - in our schools,

  • 'where the teaching of evolution

  • 'has become a hugely sensitive issue for science teachers.'

  • This is multicultural Britain and one of its fault lines

  • runs straight through our children's classrooms.

  • How do we reconcile scientific truth

  • with the deeply held convictions that bind religious communities?

  • Charles Darwin was the first person to grasp the extraordinary idea

  • that life on Earth had evolved, without the intervention of any God.

  • And I've always been intrigued by how he himself

  • wrestled with what that meant for religion.

  • Darwin was deeply worried about how religion spread,

  • not through reason and evidence,

  • but by being seeded in children's minds at a young age at school.

  • He wrote that it would become

  • "as difficult for them to throw off their belief in God

  • "as for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake".

  • Darwin became concerned by what he saw as the "stupid classical education"

  • at Rugby School, dulling his eldest son William's once-lively mind.

  • So he was prepared to brave the snobbery of Victorian society

  • to send his four other sons to the less prestigious Clapham Grammar School,

  • because it had strong science education.

  • 150 years later, Darwin would find reason to be equally anxious

  • about what his children were being taught at school.

  • The compromised values of multicultural Britain

  • mean that teachers hesitate to offend the religious beliefs of their pupils,

  • even when these directly contradict scientific fact.

  • Earlier in the series, I took a science class

  • from Park High School in north London fossil-hunting.

  • 'I was amazed by their lack of knowledge and understanding of evolution.

  • 'So what do their science teachers have to say about this?

  • 'I worry they're tiptoeing too respectfully around traditional beliefs.'

  • Some kids just won't accept it.

  • You know, they're brought up in families where they just don't believe it

  • and that's an end to it.

  • There's no lack of understanding of it necessarily,

  • it's just, you know, we can't get into the business of knocking down kids' religions

  • and religions of families.

  • Why...why not, actually? Why...why not? Because...

  • Because we... because we teach science and...

  • I would not feel comfortable talking about anything but science,

  • so if I present the scientific case,

  • and I make sure they understand the scientific case,

  • I think I've done my job.

  • < But their acceptance of it is a separate issue.

  • For some students, truth isn't something they see coming through science.

  • Even though our emphasis is on ideas and evidence to support these ideas,

  • a lot of students have a religious narrative that is very important to them,

  • it's an important part of their life, through their family and their culture.

  • 'Would it be too unfair to suggest

  • 'that these well-meaning teachers are running scared? Who could blame them?

  • 'Obviously, what we believe is affected by our upbringing,

  • 'but that doesn't mean we can't change our minds.

  • 'We all have the right to see the evidence and re-evaluate our beliefs.

  • 'These science teachers shouldn't be afraid

  • 'to spell out the scientific truth derived from evidence.'

  • I don't see that we can expect to convince them just by showing them the evidence.

  • < Really? Why not? Because they've got other evidence

  • which they've been brought up with. < But that's not evidence.

  • No. To them it's evidence, though, isn't it?

  • And to their parents.

  • We're talking about something very fundamental. >

  • We're talking about young people and identity. >

  • It's not our place to...to...

  • to fly the banner of science and say there's no room for anything else.

  • All we can do is present - this is a way of thinking, this is...

  • Science has given us so much.

  • This is one way of interpreting life. We believe this is...

  • < Just one way of interpreting?

  • We believe this is the way, because we are scientists,

  • but it's not my place to tell you that you're wrong.

  • "We believe it because we're scientists"?

  • Do you mean that, or that we believe it because the evidence is in the rocks?

  • That's what I'm saying -

  • because I'm a scientist and that's the way I view the world.

  • No, it's not because you're a scientist, is it?

  • The evidence is there. Their evidence is not there. It's just made up.

  • 'You don't believe that the Earth is round only if you're an astronaut.

  • 'You don't believe Napoleon existed only if you're a historian.

  • 'You believe these things because they're facts, proved by evidence.

  • 'Evolution is also a demonstrated fact.

  • 'The truth really is out there. It's not a matter of opinion.'

  • Relativism, the quaint notion that there are many truths

  • all equally deserving of respect even if they contradict each other, is rife today.

  • It sounds like a respectful gesture towards multiculturalism.

  • Actually, it's a pretentious cop-out.

  • There really is something special about scientific evidence. Science works.

  • Planes fly, magic carpets and broomsticks don't.

  • Gravity's not a version of the truth, it is the truth.

  • Anybody who doubts it is invited to jump out of a tenth-floor window.

  • Evolution, too, is reality.

  • You don't decide whether to believe it or not believe it

  • on the basis of whim or culture. The evidence supports it.

  • Evolution is the plain truth.

  • 'Where has all this wobbling come from?

  • 'Well, it started right back in the 19th century, in Darwin's time.

  • 'Rather than just denying the evidence,

  • 'the Church of England developed the most sophisticated strategy

  • 'to face the challenge of evolution.'

  • It saw evolution as one truth within a bigger one

  • and embraced Darwin in what one might call a comfortable, relativist fudge.

  • Science would explain the workings of nature

  • and God could take the credit for getting science started in the first place.

  • It's a subtle argument put forward by the most powerful Christians in the world.

  • Let's take it on in its modern guise.

  • Darwinism as a theory of how evolution works, a highly plausible,

  • highly credible theory about biological history.

  • I don't have a problem with that.

  • Do you see God as having any role in the evolutionary process?

  • For me God is...is the power or the intelligence

  • that shapes the whole of that process.

  • As creator, God's act is the beginning of all creation...

  • By setting up the laws of physics in the first place,

  • in which context evolution takes place. Things unfold within that.

  • What about intervening during the course of evolution?

  • I find that that rather suggests that God couldn't have made a very good job

  • of making the laws of physics in the first place

  • if He constantly needs to be adjusting the system.

  • I think that's a slightly different question.

  • (Dawkins) 'But there's a problem for the Church of England.

  • 'Isn't it trying to have its cake and eat it too?

  • 'Trying to have both God and the laws of science

  • 'means that one or the other is compromised.

  • 'Either God can't interfere and has no impact

  • 'or if he does get involved, it can't be squared with science.'

  • You do believe in some of the New Testament miracles...

  • I mean, such as the virgin birth...

  • Any others? I mean, the raising of Lazarus?

  • The empty tomb and the raising of Lazarus, yes.

  • Now, isn't there a kind of mismatch between your view of science

  • as something that God doesn't interfere in and that somehow he made it right

  • in the first place?

  • How do you reconcile that with what looked to some of us

  • more like cheap conjuring tricks

  • and not the sort of grand creator that you've been portraying?

  • I think if you start with a picture of God outside messing around with the works,

  • you are in danger of getting into the conjuring tricks model.

  • I think that there are certain moments when there is an opening in the world

  • in which the underlying divine action comes through in a fresh way.

  • Take the birth of Jesus.

  • Here you have a long history of preparation for the coming of God

  • in a new way, here you have a particular life, that of Mary, opening itself up

  • to the action of God in a certain way and then something fresh happens which is not,

  • if you like...a suspension of the laws of nature

  • but nature itself opening up to its own depths, something coming through...

  • I'm not sure what that means. It sounds awfully like suspending...

  • It's poetic language.

  • I realise that there are ways of talking about that,

  • which do simply sound like God interrupting things.

  • I, of course, love poetic language, but there comes a time

  • when you worry people will misunderstand it as...

  • Or that it's a way of wriggling out of hard questions.

  • Well, it's one thing to say in some poetic way,

  • it was sort of right that Jesus should have been born of a virgin...

  • but when you say, "I actually believe it happened,"

  • that's a statement of fact, that's a statement of scientific fact.

  • It...it...it happened.

  • It's true or not, yes.

  • It's true or not.

  • I don't think you can wriggle out of that by doing poetry, much as I love poetry.

  • On the one hand, I've got a lot of sympathy

  • with the decent, middle-of-the-road, moderate Christians.

  • On the other hand, I sort of feel that the decent, middle-of-the-road Christians

  • are tying themselves in knots trying to have it both ways,

  • trying to have both God and Darwin.

  • And in a sense, they're opening the door, letting in the rabid creationists

  • by making it respectable to believe things

  • on the basis of faith rather than evidence.

  • So deny, attack, absorb.

  • Now we've gone through the range of strategies

  • by which religion tries to deal with Darwin.

  • I think they all flounder.

  • But even I can see why religion puts up this resistance.

  • 'I get letters from readers who have understood the truth of evolution,

  • 'but somehow wish they hadn't.

  • 'Darwinism can be unsettling, even frightening.'

  • Darwin himself was shocked by what he called

  • the low and horribly cruel behaviour he observed in nature.

  • And yet it was integral to natural selection.

  • One piece of research shook Darwin to his core.

  • He knew how some insects, like this parasitic wasp,

  • lay eggs in the larvae of other insects

  • so that their young, when hatched, can feed on them.

  • they also sting each part of the prey's nervous system

  • so as to paralyse it but not kill it,

  • to keep the meat fresh.

  • So the victim may be aware of being slowly eaten away from inside

  • but unable to move a muscle to do anything about it.

  • How do we face this deeply disturbing truth?

  • Duck under a security blanket of faith in God?

  • But then, Darwin wondered,

  • what kind of God would create an animal that can only exist in this horrible way?

  • Isn't it better to embrace reality, bleak as it sometimes may be,

  • than to avoid it and live a lie?

  • In the teeth of life's hardships, Darwin was determined to live authentically.

  • He hadn't just observed suffering as a scientist,

  • he experienced it himself, in his own life.

  • Darwin had always had a particularly strong bond with his eldest daughter, Annie.

  • He was charmed by her make-believe worlds and her neat little scrapbooks,

  • while she liked to smooth his hair and pat his clothes into shape.

  • But at just ten years old, she suffered a painful, lingering death

  • following a bout of scarlet fever. Darwin was devastated.

  • "We have lost the joy of the household and the solace of our old age."

  • His devout wife, Emma, told the other children that Annie had gone to heaven.

  • For Emma, suffering helped

  • "to exalt our minds and to look forward with hope to a future state".

  • Darwin, by contrast, could find no meaning or religious consolation

  • as he faced the desperation of bereavement.

  • After the initial period of mourning, he and Emma scarcely spoke of Annie,

  • but they never forgot her. Religion became a source of tension between them.

  • Finally, I think the tension had to spill out.

  • In his 60s, Darwin wrote an autobiography

  • in which he revealed his anger at what he called the "manifestly false" Bible story.

  • And he added, "I can indeed hardly see

  • "how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true

  • "for if so, the plain language of the text

  • "seems to show that the men who do not believe,

  • "and this would include my father, brother and almost all my best friends,

  • "will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine."

  • Though his autobiography was written for his family,

  • Darwin must have known it would be published after his death.

  • And he grasped the opportunity to finally say in public

  • what he had long struggled with in private.

  • But if Darwinism demolishes the religious delusion, what can go in its place?

  • How did Darwin himself find consolation in a Godless universe?

  • Religious people attack Darwin for,

  • in their view, draining some of the wonder out of our world,

  • for the bleakness of his vision of nature.

  • The playwright George Bernard Shaw really hated Darwinism. He said,

  • "When its whole significance dawns on you,

  • "your heart sinks into a heap of sand within you.

  • "There is a hideous fatalism about it,

  • "a ghastly and damnable reduction of beauty and intelligence,

  • "of strength and purpose, of honour and aspiration."

  • There's no doubt that people do find a Darwinian view of life

  • bleak and unsympathetic, but it's still true and we can't get away from that.

  • And further, in any case, there is a sort of happiness,

  • there's a sort of bliss in understanding

  • the elegance with which the world's put together and Darwinian natural selection

  • is a supremely elegant idea.

  • It really does make everything fall into place and make sense

  • and I find great consolation, great happiness, in that level of understanding.

  • Just ponder for a moment Darwin's central idea, the tree of all life,

  • now verified as fact by our decoded DNA.

  • It means we are related to every living thing on the planet.

  • And, what's more, we are descended from ancestors who were winners,

  • adapting in any way possible to survive and pass on their genes.

  • You and I and every living creature can make the following proud claim.

  • Not a single one of my ancestors died young,

  • not a single one of my ancestors failed to copulate.

  • Plenty of other individuals died young and failed to copulate,

  • but they didn't become ancestors.

  • It's blindingly obvious, but from it much follows.

  • It means that every single living creature has inherited the genes

  • of an unbroken line of successful ancestors.

  • We have, all of us, inherited what it takes to survive and reproduce.

  • That's why we're so good at what we do, why fish are so good at swimming,

  • why birds are so good at flying, why aardvarks are so good at digging,

  • why humans are so good at thinking.

  • That, in essence, is Darwinism.

  • Darwin had to bury two more of his children in his lifetime.

  • Another daughter and a son died in early infancy.

  • "In memory of Mary Eleanor

  • "and Charles Waring,

  • "children of Charles Darwin."

  • 'Darwin confronted grief in his own way.

  • 'He found solace, I think, in the very earth

  • 'in which he had to bury his children.

  • 'For his last book, he turned to earthworms.'

  • Darwin was fascinated by how, little by little, over huge lengths of time,

  • their slow turning of the soil churned the whole surface of the earth.

  • Nature's ploughs had their own extraordinary, underground economy,

  • a damp, dark, life-and-death struggle to which we humans were totally oblivious.

  • "I doubt," Darwin wrote, "whether there are many other animals

  • "which had played so important a part in the history of the world."

  • Darwin didn't wallow in man-made notions of the supernatural or an afterlife.

  • 'His down-to-earth wonder at nature was his cure for loss of faith.'

  • 'I'm going to visit someone with a similar outlook - the philosopher Dan Dennett.

  • 'I've known him for 25 years.

  • 'We're the same age, but I think of him as a kind of intellectual elder brother.'

  • 'But recently, he had a brush with mortality.'

  • There was a terrible crisis with his heart

  • and his friends were all told that he was going to die.

  • It was a very scary moment.

  • Afterwards, when he was recovering in hospital,

  • he made the point that many of his friends had said that they prayed for him

  • and he thanked them,

  • but then added, "And did you also sacrifice a goat?"

  • 'Dan has no shred of faith in God or eternity.

  • 'Does he think his Darwinism would deny people comfort?'

  • 'I think it only undermines a crutch that they don't need

  • 'and that's the crutch of an absolute immortal soul.'

  • That's an idea that a lot of people think is very important.

  • And what it does, of course, is it replaces it

  • with the idea of a material, mortal soul.

  • Yeah, we have souls, but they're made of neurons

  • and the little neurons individually are just blind little bio-robots,

  • they don't know, they don't care, they're just doing their jobs.

  • The amazing thing is that if you put enough of them together

  • in the right sort of teams, you have, basically, a soul.

  • You have the...the control system

  • and the memory of a being that can be held responsible,

  • that can hold himself or herself responsible,

  • that can look into the future.

  • And when people say, "Where do you get your consolation from?"

  • I sort of feel, well, how much more d'you want?

  • Indeed.

  • What could be more wonderful than being part of this amazing, living tapestry

  • of...of growth and exploration and innovation,

  • all happening in not a million, not a billion, but in a trillion places at once?

  • The...the... Just to look just at our planet,

  • the exuberance of the life processes going on around us,

  • all of the creativity that is there is...is just stunning.

  • It's great to wake up in the morning and realise you're a part of this.

  • And not only are we a part of it,

  • but we can reflect on the fact that our ability to realise that,

  • our ability to understand it and to exult in it

  • is itself the product of the same process. Our brains that are so...

  • ..so capable of appreciating this...

  • have been produced by the very same process that we are now appreciating.

  • Yep. Sometimes I like to say the planet has grown a nervous system and it's us.

  • Yes.

  • Charles Darwin died in 1882.

  • "I'm not in the least afraid to die,"

  • he whispered to his wife, Emma, in his last days.

  • Darwin had wanted to be buried in Down, next to his two dead children.

  • In the event, however, the scientific establishment

  • insisted on the accolade of burial in Westminster Abbey.

  • A host of scientists, philosophers and celebrities attended on the day.

  • In true C of E style, the Church attempted to absorb the man

  • who had brought down the house.

  • Yet, even so, the Archbishop of Canterbury turned out to be indisposed

  • and God-fearing Prime Minister William Gladstone pleaded prior engagements.

  • Perhaps not for them the funeral of the scientist whose work,

  • more than any other,

  • has proved the Biblical creation story shallow and wanting.

  • 'I revere Charles Darwin. He made sense of life.

  • 'The world is amazing, even more amazing than Darwin knew and the more we discover,

  • 'the more petty our little private beliefs seem.'

  • 'Does Darwinism leave a gaping hole where religion once was?

  • 'No. Rather it opens our minds to a world of majesty, the real magic all around us,

  • 'not based on uncertain faith, but sound science.'

  • In this handful of soil there are about 25 billion bacteria.

  • That's four times the entire human population of the planet.

  • We humans and the animals we can actually see

  • are a tiny fraction of life on Earth.

  • In the perspective of the universe,

  • the vastness of the universe and of geological time, we are insignificant.

  • Some people find that thought disturbing, even frightening.

  • Like Darwin, I find the reality thrilling.

Charles Darwin turned our world upside down.

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