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On the subject of small and big revolutions in the schools we call to the stage Ricardo Semler.
Ricardo is CEO and major stakeholder of SEMCO SA and director of FIESP (Industry Federation of São Paulo)
He has a bachalor degree in laws from USP (University of São Paulo) and a degree in Business from Harward
He is author of international best-sellers like Turning the tables (Mavericks)
and Seven Days Weekend.
in 1990 created the Ralston/Semler Foundation with the goal to research and
contribute to find solutions for innovation in the education of Brazil.
He is also the cretor of the Project Lumiar Sinapses. With the word, Ricardo Semler.
First I need to complain with Positivo because it's not fair to put me after Nicolélis.
I didn't invent anything, nothing will be walking around because of me
But...
when I think about our current moment in education
it reminds me the story of the guy that will
do skydive and they tell him that he only needs three things
first
to open that parachutes he should press the green button
if it doesn't open...
then press the red button
and when you land don't start to walk around because a Van will come to pick you up.
The man jumps, press the first button
nothing happens
he thinks, keep calm, keep calm, you have the second button. He press the second button
and nothing happens and then he thinks...
Now, I hope the Van is still waiting for me.
The feeling I have is that we came from the
greek education
approach,
with a tutor.
From the concept that
education is something for few people.
Then we passed through a moment
of middle age
where a lot was lost
and restarted again with the Iluminism
idea the you have to train the brain.
And education is basically about the brain.
And the brain is
naturally taken, like we heard here already,
to a perspective where you can measure,
and things you can understand and also
the market and employment...
and that we are trying to create people to power the current market and work force
but we don't understand the current market even less the future one.
And in a second moment, and what I think is the second button in the parachute
Henry Ford's idea that it's not doable. To educate everybody...
you have to create an assembly line.
The schools we have today are the result of that. Well, simplifying:
I have millions of kids I need to to prepare
for the market. How can I do that?
Let's see
They asked the University of Chicago,
in 1908,
also the same year
of the assembly line from Ford,
How can I dod that?
And the answer was...
What is the attention span of a kid?
Around 53 minutes was the answer, at that time.
How many kids I can put in the same room?
Considering the louder a
teacher can communicate and not stress himself toi much
and also keep the order
...
around 35 kids
And how can I share the knowledge?
Don't know, ask the biologist, the mathematician, and everyone comes up with their plan
So, mr. biologist, what's the deal?
Hum, first we start with amoeba, and then that, and then the division, so on and so forth.
What about Math? First addition, then subtraction, some numbers here, sine and cosine... got it?
Then you think, well, I'm gonna create something called Curriculum.
I put everything side by side and I'm gonna create people who passed through everything
but is absolutely schizophrenic,
necessarily schizophrenic.
They passed through all that because the student takes a Trigonometry 2 class
then goes to history of Japan, to cell division, and then
he has to find a way to put everything together. It is absolutely impossible e nobody ever did that.
With time, the University of Chicago started to measure that
And concluded that the american curriculum (with 1552 pages at the moment) detailing what
should be taught
in which year and age
and concluded that the retention of knowledge
of the students who went through that system
was 6.7%.
Which means you are
in a business that 92, 93% of failure
and that's what we do.
Then you think, who is going to find a better approach for us?
Maybe consultants could be a good idea
and academic researches,
And now we are talking about the Van,
that...
will never arrive.
Or the entrepreneur that comes from outside, no, everything is wrong.
let me explain to you: management
change the principal and the director
and recycle the teachers
Got it?
But that man who is teaching you
has also almost the same rate of failure. 91% of the companies doesn't last more than 20 years.
91.1% of the companies...
The man who
learned
that 91% of what he does fail, is teaching someone with a
93% rate of failure.
There is something wrong.
The notion of making marginal improvements
in a system
that is obsolete by definition, by design
is nuts
and we are doing that more and more
because we are getting
anxious
to realize that it is not working.
And I'm not talking about Brazil only.
There's no exception in the world.
There's no place in the world, not even in Finland, or any place
where people are completely happy with their education system.
But we are making it work
based on a rules somebody invented.
The OECD came up with the Pisa exam that tests Portuguese (or English) and Math
wait?!
But 4
of the 5th best places in the world accordingly to that, are dictatorships
Have you ever stopped to think about? That's what we are trying to mimic
The best placed in the Pisa exam
is the communist dictatorship of Shanghai.
The other is Korea, where the student spend 12 hours per day in class, including Saturdays and still have
home-work.
And we are saying that this is the formula to generate
happy people
No! That a formula to generate a lot of people that learn to memorize 12 hours a day
and then take a an exam of language and math and goes well.
Will that approach
generate people capable for the market on a new world? No way!
When you entered in this profession did you get in thinking I'm gonna learn
the rules
learn the right ways
and control those kids
or did you have an ideal?
That idea was lost long ago.
Your lost ideal
mixed with kids that don't want to be in class.
And people discuss why schools more and more looks like Febens (brazilian reformatory)
It's because the Febens improved. Am I wrong?
Febens doesn't have watchtowers anymore and other things.
And the schools have metal detectors and high walls
So it's getting closer.
The question is why we are doing that? Because they don't want
to be there.
If you let they will runway
so you can't allow that.
Now that the kids are here, we have them for 13 years at our availability
And what we'll do with them?
Well let's
give them all the curriculum for math, biology, history and etc.
And then we'll commit a
fraud that we all agreed to.
I'm gonna give an exam because the parents, the mayor, etc
are all asking if you are doing well.
I'm gonna give you an exam
of a content
that if it's compared with the internet, on average,
would be a tiny fraction of what is available on Google about the same subject
I'm gonna cover just that tiny fraction
and I teach you that way: I write, you copy, I write, you copy, I write, you copy...
and at the end I say
done, the exam will be just about these things because if I don't say
what's gonna be covered the grades would miserable.
So, I'm gonna make a deal with you, I tell you what I'm gonna cover
I'm ok with cheating and everything else that helps
and when it is a Prova Brazil (national exam to evaluate schools), I let the worst students get "sick",
strangely in the exam's day. Am I wrong? Just a coincidence.
And them when it's done
I plot a chart. I get the best and I put here
and the worst here
and, well, we are not so bad, we have 4.3 which matches the national average
And then you think... there must be something wrong!
How
on this format, the kids learn?
I have 5 little kids at home
and people used to tell me: you have to learn to learn.
When you have a kid
starting to walk
like 9 months
you think you are helping them to learn to walk
it is more or less
like this, come... come...
Do you walk like that?
But that's how you teach right?!
But maybe the come from factory ready to learn.
We, as adults, learning a second language, it is hard...
third language, horrible
but they learn a language while learning to speak
and you try to teach them: fa-fat-fa-ther
And then they: Fish! Am I wrong? Well...
There's something happening and we are failing to understand it
in the school world.
I even have an example
at home,
on how...
on how those kids think.
We had a problem at home, where Fernanda, my wife, was alway too anxious
to
travel or even to go to São Paulo because our girls are too young,
we have twins,
2 years and half.
They understood we had nanys
and the nanys where there but sometimes
they had their day off.
But Fernanda, always very anxious.
And one day,
the girls talking, the twins,
and the mother was in São Paulo,
and of the girls asked:
Where is mom?
And Olívia replied:
well, of course, it's her day off,
right, Letícia?!
And after that we solved all anxiety problems of the mom
because is just had to explain that it was a day off and they said "Ah, ok, bye!".
I never had more problems
because they had understood that in that way.
So,
with format of current schools,
it is passing through a moment where we
are feeling the anxiety and pain
that the system doesn't work here,
o in the US,
or England,
or Japan.
And there is a feeling until your 18 years old that thing is a torture.
And we are practicing that toture if really low
levels of success
and we fooling ourselves saying: the only we can is to recycle a little bit, put
more computers, etc.
A study from
OECD
showed
that with a linear research of 11 year that
the usage of computers
in the school doesn't make a small difference.
It makes ZERO difference!
It made 0 difference in their study per 11 years.
And we are fooling ourselves to believe
that we need to revitalize,
modernize a method that completely obsolete
It is like adding a new
'engine' in an Opala (old Brazilian car)
77
and then we keep polishing it... polish it here and there
and it will look beautiful.
There is something wrong!
The current model,
that is
a model of parallel knowledge that somebody will try to put it together
for a world that doesn't need it for today even less to when the kids graduate.
That indicates that
we need to start from scratch.
After
more or less 25, 30 years
building a system,
a way to deal with our company,
where we said, look,
why not force people to come work
and dress in a certain way
and make them learn to ask where they will be in X years and etc...
Long story short,
we tried to change that for
almost 30 years,
an experience that said:
you are adults, for god sake,
I don't want to count your days of work
your hours
and I don't even want to discuss how much you should earn,
I give you all the data
what is the salary here, what is the salary in other companies
how much a person higher or lower than you earns
how much we can pay
how much the company earns.
We will remove the obstacles, that are the same obstacle of reformatories,
those are the ways we have
and the unions are forced to require
and the city and state are forced to obey and
the teacher needs to.. and etc
What is the rule?
Why is he that position and I'm not?
Why was she promoted? Why she earned a bonus?
This creates a huge immobilization
that even makes you
stay in a reasonable
comfort zone,
but a zone where, internally, you can't feel hapy and fulfilled thinking
that is what I thought
when I decided
to become a teacher.
After a lot of years of that, and let's say, with it solidified
it became clear to me
that we are spending a significant part of the time
getting people that obeyed to that system since their two,
three years old to
stay quiet, 53 minutes, now it is this class or that, and etc
You have no options, your forced to that...
and the people becoming
17 years old
we ask them: Well, boy, what do you want for your life?
What do you want to be?
You look today,
Miguel probably participated in a conference like that in
California. I went to one,
where they say with 100% sure
that the kids
at the age of my children, have a life expectancy,
(in our social class)
of 110 years.
110 is what they are sure about
and not that you become useless at 80.
It is a time distribution.
With that age expectation,
we could have a school system that says
at 17 you are capable to chose to be an engineer, study that for 5 years,
of engineering,
spend 25 years as an engineer,
go back,
study 7 years of medicine
spend 20 years as a doctor
go back 5 years
become an architect for 20 years and also retire for 10.
Are we preparing people for that?
No way!
We are asking: do you want medicine? Yes! Ok. Which area?
Which part of the body? Is it the finger?
Because tomorrow you have to be specialized and that's your little box.
You are the finger dude.
Now if you ask at the same thing...
well... I know for example
a boy that teaches biology to
17 years old.
He is
passioned,
a master and loves what he does,
but he has a serious problem,
38% of the students
who graduates with him
wants to be Biologists.
You saw this effect already,
if you put a 16 or 17 years old kid
with a passioned person they will become violinists. 42% will want to be violinists.
Or a mechanic, right?!
If you bring a passioned to and put kids in front of him
things happen.
So, what we created
a foundation, an institute
and then a school, because
we thought that all this generic talk
wasn't product and wouldn't help anyone.
We came-up with a team
first thinking, let's rethink the school from scratch
let's assume
that everything that was done served it needs but we need a new model
and let's forget everything,
let's just remember the accumulated knowledge of the man kind
and let's create a new system.
And we created the Lumiar school
The Lumiar is an attempt to do that.
To make sure we weren't
reinventing the well or make crazy things we put together
around 20 people that met twice a week
and that group included
Cristovam Buarque (Senator with focus in Education)
Paulo Renato (Education Minister)
and Paulo Freire (PHD in Pedagogy with focuns on critical thinking).
So, we had people from the education field, to make sure
people didn't think, entrepreneur,
they messing with schools.
We had pediatrics, psychologists and tried to create a new model.
We thought,
what if we forget
everything you know so far or all your accumulated
baggage
from the school world
how could it be
that new school from zero?
And we came-up with three main pillars.
One is the figure of the teacher.
The way it is today it is today
is obsolete.
You are asking a person that
joined the profession
because of idealism to do
a bunch of different things. Like you saw here, in the presentation of
Marcos Magalhães about the school diretor
everybody got confused already,
he as to deal with parents, with union, etc
the mayor... of course it is not possible
The 'teacher' is not so different.
The teacher has to know
about his discipline
he has to have passion for it
he has to understand
how ti correlates with other disciplines
he needs to know how to control 30 kids who doesn't want to be there
he has to have
to be firm
but at the same time kind
he has to be interested in career plan. Wait, stop! Calm down!
This one is one in a million
and with time,
he also have to deal
with the union, that is taking care of his rights
against a somebody that doesn't want that, against the city and etc
and there's the secretary that wants to change everything
That world,
that function, is not viable.
So, how do you handle that?
You basically divide it in two. We did that.
We got the inspiration
from the Greek
idea of the tutor.
The tutor was basically who would (usually a slave)
take the student
to many different places
like the academy, the gym and etc
So, the role of
current teacher
is the role that fits the initial
idealism of the career.
The tutor,
in our system
takes care
of the person,
the kid,
from the emotional
point of view
cultural
check their real interests
and tries
to map
their education
and out-source
the process
of learning to a passioned person specific to the discipline
Basically, the teacher we have today becomes this tutor.
We have a real experience with that,
with the tutor,
adopting, not really adopting...
but assuming a public school and operating it like that for many years
the teachers we had there became the tutors
and the second role, the other half, let's say,
is what we call the master
it is a person who requires
two characteristics
a person who is
passioned,
expert in something,
if it is his job or a hobby doesn't matter
he has to be passioned
and also
understand the subject really well
This person can come from the outside of the school
could be from the comunity
or parent and etc.
The idea
is that we can notice
that with the population getting older
we are not finding any good usage
neither for the unemployed young people
neither for the retired ones
and are still capable to contribute.
So, in this format
we are coming back to something almost anthropological.
The people that are retired, many times too soon, can come back
and for a short time,
because nobody is gonna be volunteer for too long,
for two months
or four months, they can come to the school
and share
their knowledge and expertise we already discarded
as a society. We already told them we don't care.
If you are 62, or 58 and retired
you have to go back home to watch in pijamas.
We are saying, no! There's a place for you
here.
If you look
the distribution of time
during your life
you can notice, that we spend on average
19 a 23% of our time studying
specially people like us
then you spend another 35 to 40%
of the time working
and the rest of the time retired
If you plot a chart
you can see that time,
amount of time you have,
is like an "U".
Amount of money?
It's like a bell
And health?
Is like a decreasing line.
So yo conclude that
when you have money, you don't have time to use it
and finally when you have time you don't have money and health.
That's how we design our lives
We used to have an interesting program in our company called retire
a little bit.
It was a program that said:
I'm gonna sell your Wednesdays
back
and since I'm not buying just time, I'm also buying your talent,
that's gonna cost 10% of you salary.
So, if you work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, on Wednesday you do
whatever
you would do when you retire.
So instead of you be a climber at 81
you can do that at 32 years old.
That is a solution for this problem. We would give them a coupon
that said "when you retire I buy one day of your week"
to not let you die
intellectually. You keep coming here for the rest of your life
to bring wisdom, because it took you so long to create it and build intuition
and you are ready we trow you away
because you don't want to work 10 hours a day anymore.
So, following this line
for two months you bring that master
and you have a crazy amount of people interested in to come to the school
to talk
about the passions.
The third
pillar is
is what we can the mosaic.
Which means,
anthropologically
we all have
an idea in our heads, as members of a tribe,
of what we want from those kids, when they complete 18, to do with their lives
The mosaic represents that.
What we need.
Is it important that they know who is Picasso?
Or understand what is modern art?
If I put a canvas in the floor and trow a bucket of ink on top can I call that mondern art?
Is it explained?
It isn't? Why?
Well, you decide that and you have a mosaic
that goes from 2 to 18 years old
and I need, to minimally, expose the kids to that
Minimally.
Minimally does not include sine and cosine. It doesn't!
Then I have a spare time. I'm not just gonna their time just
because they are available. I'm gonna empower thair capacity to deal with the world,
and learn to learn by themselves
The idea
that is operative today, and is completely obsolete,
is that we need to make them memorize
because that's where they store the knowledge
but, in the mean time, someone came-up with that thing called Google
and you need to store anything more
but the schools doesn't noticed that.
We are saying, you have to understand, and memorize, and memorize
and repeat... You don't need to memorize or repeat. In 15 seconds Google will tell you.
You have to learn to find the information.
Know how it works
And use it in your favor
But simple recall?!
... know dates and places?! No!
Generically understand how we got here and what are the way and etc is a different thing.
So we start with a teaching way that says: the disciplines as we know
are discarded
but what we need to explain about each of them is kept
if it is really important to know
addition and what a prime number we put that in
the mosaic and we'll find a way to do that
while the kid is in the school. But we ask what they are interested in.
And for example
they said
in the last year in a certain moment
that they were interest in the World Cup.
We said, well let's have a class about the world cup. How long? 2 Months
of world cup classes
Then you think, well, in the world cup am I gonna talk about Soccer?
The only thing I think we haven't talked about it was soccer.
We've talked about cramp for example
How somebody that
exercise for 7 hours per day has cramps?
Or geometry...
If you change the fields' geometry
and use a triangle instead does it still work?
How many Watts I need to light the stadium?
Why it took 71 years between
the invention of the soccer
and the electricity to
somebody think about a night game?
Why the humanity is so slow?
Why the humanity takes so long to learn anything?
In the world cup you can discuss why most of the dutch players
are black
and if their wives, that is immigrant,
goes to a hospital will she be taken care of or not?
Why there
98%
of the births natural and just 1.2% are caesarean and in Brazil 28% are caesarean?
Those are all questions about the World Cup.
I can talk about history and geography
we can make a blog to talk about Portuguese, no problem.
We are making one now
this month called "Amy's class"
Amy Winehouse's class.
They are interested about it.
The kids go to class to learn about Amy Winehouse. But the class asks
things like:
How much is her wage?
How much is the label percentage?
How much she makes per show?
Without math they can't learn anything like that.
And then you ask: And when you get there and find a body?
What is formaldehyde?
What is rigor-mortiz?
What is cirrhosis?
What happens when you drink a lot of alcohol? Why you have hangover?
The kids are all interested and that is Chemistry and Biology
It is easy to teach Chemistry and Biology
in an Amy Winehouse's class
And then I go and say that a 4 by 4 beat
What is a 12 by 8 beat?
What is Rock? Why a blues singer to
be really good
has to be black?
What happens if put silicon in the breast?
What happens with the silicon after 10 years?
Can you see? I have Chemistry and Biology enough to teach all but using Amy Winehouse.
So they chose and have an interesting class to attend
They chose
but you can pick wherever you want and we can handle.
From math, geography to history
no problem.
And the mosaic,
which is a digital system that controls everything, we keep track the students progress/decisions
and we know from 2 to 18 years old what
caught their interests
and when they
turn 16 or 17
we can say
don't worry about vocation
you told us already
hundreds of times what interests you
we know what is your vocation
take a look here everything you did. And there is where you use computer software
to answer
and indicate that you can only be this or that in your life.
You chose that since 3, 4, 7 or 8 years old
This is your talent right here.
The digital mosaic says,
you stepped on Gregor Mendel
but how?
As a geneticist? Peas? Alright.
But there's also a Mendel that
that is mathematician
there's another Mendel about the theory of games
of
Fibonacci
there's Mendel, really interesting about Math
There is another Mendel
really important for the industrial history.
Who puts all these Mendels together? Nobody.
The system does that for us.
And we make this connections and say:
If you were interested in Mendel here and Picasso there
but also like the lyrics of Amy Winehouse there's rap here
and rap is Hip-Hop and Hip-Hop is Carlos Drumond de Andrade. The things get easy.
But you have to design all these things and that's what we are trying to do.
And the last thing,
of course, in a process like, we want you to come here because you want
and you should
decide a few things about the school. For example
We have a circle where we say, your rules to live together? You decide it.
It is not gonna be so different than ours.
You can hit each others head? Yes, you can. For how long?
One week?! Next week they don't want that anymore.
So the kids make a circle
and once a week they solve the problems
coexistence rules, problems with class, and etc
between them. We facilitate that a little bit
but they make the decisions.
Some times the kid that is
making the accusation
is the defendant of the same crime in a couple weeks.
This learning process about citizenship guided by themselves is more than enough
And in the first hour of everyday
in the schools
We do something we call "Reading the world"
Which is really simple,
It is one hour where you open the newspaper
or the Internet and chose one thing there to learn about
and everybody start to learn together, some of them prefer to learn in separate but
everyone is using the Google
to teach, to learn what happened
in England
with the guy that rapped the house-keeper.
Why that happened?
Those are questions that kids with 4 years old start to think about.
So, in general
that's all I would like to tell you.
That there's different formats but the formats now
have to go through a process of
deconstruction
of the obstacles that we created and not through just
marginal improvements
The public school we are running had an average of 43 points
in the first Brazilian Exam (national exam)
six months after and one year after,
and we are talking about sons of really poor people in a rural school,
where the parents'
average salary is 100 dollars,
is 96,15%
and it kept 96% 97% 94%
in the Brazilian Exam (national exam)
Without ever have seen the content of the exam before
Without ever memorized anything for that specific exam
And without nobody get "sick"
This format
is just, let's say,
a suggestion
to you that certainly came with idealism and is still because of that
and it's been
eroded by the
difficulties of implementation and the delay
and complexities,
to learn that there's a way, and I think there is,
for us and for everyone here
maybe a better way to do that.
Thank you.