I thinkthere's likeanotherseventogo, buthe's knownat a longtimeandhe's, youknow, now a proudsonofKentuckyandhe's openingup, asimportantasallthatis, he's openingup a veryimportantrestaurantinWashington D.C. calledShia.
でも、彼は長い間ケンタッキーで知られていて、今ではケンタッキー州の誇り高き息子だ。
Andyou'regonnalearnmoreaboutwhyit's sospecialandwhyit's soimportantin a littlebit.
So, thisissomethingthathasneverhappenedtome, but I'veheardthisandwitnessedmyfriendstellmethesekindsofstories, notspecificallythisone, butwhathappenswhenyourkidsstarttogotoschool, youbasicallymake a wholenewgroupoffriendsthat I don't want.
It's beenfourand a halfyearssince I'veseenthispersontoo.
私もこの人に会うのは4年半ぶりだ。
Also, I askedanotherpersonwho I wasin a conversationwithandhe's like, yeah, I thinkthat's him.
また、会話をしていた別の人に聞いたら、ああ、彼だと思うよという感じだった。
So I waslike, whatam I supposedtodo?
どうすればいいんだ?
That's mysliceoflife.
それが私の人生の一片だ。
I don't thinkanybodywilleverbelieveme.
誰も信じてくれないと思う。
I don't thinkanybodywilleverexperiencethatkindofmatchupof a friendslash, youknow, faceofftypesituationwhere I seewhy I seewhythisisgoingtoleadusintoourEdwardLeeconversationbecauseEdwardLeegreatchefgoodfriendamazingcontestantfuckingkicksassinthisshow.
Butyou'vebeeninthegame a longtimeand I haven't seenyouin a bitand I knowthatwe'veseeneachother a coupletimes, but I wastellingeverybodythelasttime I likereallyproperlyhungoutwithyouwasoneofthedrunkestnights, days I'veeverbeen.
Allright, iftheytrytodoanAmericanversion, I don't knowifwouldwork.
もしアメリカ版を作ろうとしても、うまくいくかどうかはわからない。
I willdefinitelysaythatwewereworkingdiligentlytocomeupwith a cookingversionofcooking 100 andthenNetflixsaiddon't pleasedon't we'regoingtoleaveittopeoplethathavedonethisand I willsaywewouldlovetodoanAmericanversionofit, butyouarestarringinculinaryclasswars, whichisbasicallyforthosethathaven't evenseenphysical 100.
SomaynottranslatetoAmerica, butyouhave 20 whitespoonsthataredeemedaselevatedasthetheOGMastersandthenyouhave 80 blackspoonswhoare I guesshowdotheydescribethemintheshowlike a relativelyunknownget a name.
Theytakeawaytheirnamesand I thinkupandcomingstruggling, youknowfightingfortheirnameandsotheyhavetopick a nicknameforthemselvesandonlyifyougettothefinalsdoyougettorevealthat's someKoreanshit.
Itwaslikeit's a lottoit's a lotonyourshoulders, youknowwhenyousoyeahyouso I'm sureyougetyou'veyou'vedoneyou'vewonIronChefyou'vedoneTopCheflike I'm sureyougeteveryyoutonsofthesesortofoffersthatcomeacrossyourdesk.
それはあなたの肩にのしかかっているようで、とても大変なことなんだ。
I'm sureyousayyeahand I and I saynotoallofthemandyouknow, I stoppeddoingallthatTVstuff a whilebackandtheycalledmeand I saidnoatfirstsoit's like, youknow, I don't thinkthat's youknow, a youngperson's game, but I don't knowthemore I thoughtaboutitand I youguysprobablyrelatelikethat.
でも、考えれば考えるほどわからなくなるし、君たちもそうだと思う。
There's there's alwaysthisweirdidentitythingofbeinglikeam I tooAmerican?
私はアメリカ人すぎるのだろうか?
Am I tooKorean?
私が韓国人すぎるのでしょうか?
Am I didn't youknow, whoam I andtheykeptcallingmeand I keptcallingthemand I said, youknowwhat I'm goingtodothisonething.
僕は自分が誰なのかわからなかったし、彼らから何度も電話がかかってきて、僕はこう言ったんだ。
UnapologeticallyKoreanallin a hundredpercentcheesetothetothenthdegreeandwe'rejustgoingtogoandanddoitandsoyou'llalsobeabletospendthatmuchtimeinKorealikesortofinthatcommunityofchefswaswasreally a specialthing.
That's hisnicknameand I willbehonestwhichisweirdbecausehisnameinKoreanisgunpair, whichismorewouldbelikemeetgangster.
これは彼のニックネームなんだけど、正直に言うと、韓国語ではガン・ペアと言うんだ。
Nomeetgangster.
ギャングスターには会わない。
I thinkit's kindof a coolernamethanbeatmaster, but I'llbehonest.
ビートマスターよりクールな名前だと思うけど、正直に言うとね。
I turnthisonand I waslikeprettyhighwhen I turnthisonand I waslike, ohfuck.
スイッチを入れたら、かなりハイになっていた。
I thoughtDavesaidnotothis.
デーブはノーと言ったはずだが
Hesaidhewasn't goingtodothisshow.
彼はこのショーをやるつもりはないと言っていた。
WhatthefuckishedoingbattlingEdLeeand I alsowas a littlebitconfused.
エド・リーと戦っている彼は一体何をしているんだ?
I wasnothigh.
私はハイではなかった。
I wasalsowatchingtheshowfromand I waslike, it's a straightDaveChangdoppelgangerthatyougohead-to-headdidthatthoughtcrossyourmindatallwhenyoumetwhich I'lljoinintobecausethefirsttime I sawmostlikewait, no.
Yes, anditwaspatternedreallyafterthevoiceanditdidn't workthatwellbecauseyoucouldn't empathizewiththejudgesthatweretastingand I feelthatthemechanicsintheshowdidthey'vedonesomethingthathasneverbeendoneinculinarycompetitiontogiveyou a realhonest.
Andifit's a tie, theycantaketheblindfoldsoffandinterviewwhoevertheirjudge, correct?
もし引き分けなら、目隠しを外して誰がジャッジであろうとインタビューできるんですよね?
And I justjumpedtheguntothetheone-on-onebattles.
そして、1対1の戦いに飛びついた。
Butbutso I guessmyquestionisgivengivenallthatandlikeyouryouryourdrunkenthirdgradecommandofKoreanwhenthey'resortofdescribedwhentheproducersaretellingyouwhat's abouttohappen.
I meanpartofpartofthiswasmyownweirdjourneygoingbacktofindingsomerootsinKorea, youknow, sowhile I wasdoingtheshowatthesametime, I reallywantedtolearnKoreanandkindofrespectthecultureandandfeelsomethingaboutitthatyouknowbeingraisedandlivinginAmericajustdon't haveaccesstoso I reallytriedtoasmuchaspossiblespeakKoreaneventhoughitwashorrible.
I meanlikedowntotheinflectionand I'm like, I'm soangryrightnowthattheywouldjustsandbagyoulikethat.
抑揚に至るまで、あんな風にサンドバッグにされるなんて、今すごく腹が立っているんだ。
That's fuckedup.
めちゃくちゃだ。
I wasgoingtosay I don't thinkthat's I don't thinkthat's evenwrong.
それは間違っていないと思う。
I thinkit's right.
その通りだと思う。
I thinkthatguyiscastspecificallytomakeyoulookbad.
あの男は君を悪者にするために特別に起用されたんだと思う。
Likewhen I wasdoingKoreanschoolinKoreaand I wasintheclasswithallthewhitepeoplethatweretryingtolearnthelanguageand I waslikethatmakesyoufeelsobadthatyourKoreanislessthanpeoplethatarelearningitaslike a thirdlanguagefourthlanguage.
So I hadtoflybacktoAmerica a coupleoftimesduringthewholething.
だから、その間に何度かアメリカに戻らなければならなかった。
I gottasaymostofthetime I'm jet-lagged, youknow, itsaysit's like 4 or 5 inthemorningformewhenwe'reactuallystartingtocook.
時差ぼけで、実際に料理を始めるのは朝の4時か5時って書いてあるんだ。
Anotherdisadvantage.
もう一つのデメリット。
Honestly, thisisnotfairforEdLee.
正直言って、これはエド・リーにとってフェアではない。
Weifyou'reanAmericanlisteningtothis, youshouldbeoutragedfuckingoutragethatthey'retreatingourcitizenlikeyeah, becausetheywould I wouldgetthere, youknow, youwhateveryouhave a daytodoittoacclimatebutwhatareyoudon't acclimate a daytakestwoweeks.
It's likemyKoreanmemorylookslike I'm yeah, youknow, I don't knowifit's easy.
私の韓国語の記憶力は、まるで私がそうであるかのようだ。
I wonderifit's I wonderifthat's hardforpeopletounderstandwhodidn't growupin a householdorlikethereasonwhyyoucan't sayanythingand I knowEdcanattesttothis.
Because I told I feelthesamethingiflike I gotoChinaor I gotoanywherewithlikeChinesepeople.
中国に行っても、中国人がいるところに行っても、同じことを感じると言ったからだ。
I'm justlikefuck.
まるでファックだ。
Thisisgonnabesohumiliatingassoonas I trytoopenmymouthand I feellikeifthey'reifyoudon't growupwithlikethatexpectationpeopledon't understandhowembarrassingitis.
Yeah, youknow, I againoneonethingthatyouknow, again, mylittleKoreanjourneythat I'm on.
ああ、またひとつ、またひとつ、僕の小さな韓国の旅が始まったんだ。
I don't know.
分からないよ。
I just I made a decisionontheplanerideovertherethat I Youknow, 2530 yearsofcookingthat I reallybecause I don't reallycookKoreanfood.
私は2530年間、韓国料理はあまり作らないと決めていたんだ。
Wejustopened a Koreanrestaurantjustrecentlywhere I'vebeenkindofrediscovering a lotofthisandso I justmadeit a thingwhere I reallyonlywantedtoseewhatKoreahadtoofferand I justkindofwantedtosurprisemyselfandyouknow, I would I wouldeatlikeChuckgotrightwhichweallknowbut I wouldliketasteitandgo.
And I'vehaditbeforebutonlywithsomeand I'm like, can I findsomeotherwaytoyou?
それに、以前にも同じようなことがあったんだけど、何人かとだけだったんだ。
So I wouldjust I don't know.
だから、僕はただ......わからない。
Mywholethingwaslike I didn't wanttogoallthewaytoKoreadothisshowandmakelikefriedchicken, youknow, likeitjustright.
韓国まで行ってフライドチキンを作るようなショーはしたくなかったんだ。
Well, I gottasaythethethethesaladthatyoumadeandforthosethatknowthere's a there's differentkindsofkimchiclearly, butevenofthepetyouthenormalNapacabbage, there's differentvarietiesinthatbytheageofitandthatwasreallystinkyoldkimchi.
Yeah, and I wascertainlyblownawaythatyouturneditinto a lightetherealbalancedishand I didn't eventasteitbut I couldimagineitand I waslike, ohwow, it's going a completelydifferentdirection.
味はしなかったけど、想像はできたし、まったく違う方向に向かっている。
So I waslikereallyhappyforyou.
だから、僕は本当に嬉しかったよ。
I wasstokedthatitwasdeliciousbecause I wasn't I waslike, whatareyougoingtomake?
私は美味しかったから、「何を作るんだ?
Yeah, youknow, wouldyouwhatdoyouthink?
そうだね、どう思う?
DoyouthinkyouwouldyouhavemadethatsamedecisionasEdlikejustlike I'm notgoingtocookwhat I cooklikewhatdoyouthinkyourapproachis?
No, I meanthethingiseventhoughEd I meanforthosethatarelisteninglikehejustsaidhedoesn't makeKoreanfood, buthe's openingKoreanrestaurantlikewe'reveryhardonourselves.
There's alsothisthingtooand I dothisculturallyherelikeifyouareKoreanandyouhaveonlyeatenKoreanfoodandyou'vesortofbeensystematizedintothecanonofKoreanfoodlikewhenyouseesomethinglikegochujangorororyouknowdoenjangyourbrainautomaticallygoestoonethingandsometimesyougetstuckinthere.
Sometimesittakeslikeanoutsidertolookataningredient, youknow, and I dothisliketolikeevenevenmyself.
食材を見るには、時には部外者のような存在が必要なんだ。
I havecertainguardrailsthat I can't getoutofand I havewhitefriendswhoarechefs, youknowfriendsofmineandthey'lllike, youknow, they'lltastelikejajangmyeonandgo.
Ohman, I coulddothisandthiswithitlikeevensomethingthatwillshockme.
これでもか、これでもかと、衝撃的なことができるんだ。
I'm like, oh, yeah, I neverthoughtofthatbecausewehaveculturalguardrailsaboutwhatsomethingshouldbebutthey'realljustlike I havethatmuchlesssothansomeonewhogrewupinKorea.
僕らには文化的なガードレールがあるから、そんなこと考えたこともなかった。
Gotit.
了解した。
Andsothat's that's kindof I don't knowsometimesit's anadvantagesometimesit's a disadvantage.
だから、それがメリットになることもあれば、デメリットになることもあるんだ。
I thinkthat's a that's reallyevidentwhenit's okay.
Likegiveus a senseofthesortofqualityofcookingthatyou'reseeingculinarystuffontheshow.
番組に登場する料理の質を教えてください。
No, I think I think, youknow, insomewaysKoreansarelikemorehonestormoreliketheyreallyfollowtherules.
いや、ある意味、韓国人の方が正直というか、ルールに忠実というか。
Andso I think a lotofitwasauthenticallyjustbrilliantcookingand I thinkitsays a lottothelevelofcookingthat's goingoninKorearightnow, youknow, everythingfromthehighendtothesortofmompopstores.
Theyaskedusnottolike, whywouldyoueventhinkthatanditjustand I feltlikethatlittlemicrocosmicstorylikewaswaskindofthewholeproductioninthewholesetlikeeveryonewaslike, thesearetherules.
Wellatifthiswassquidgameand I wastheguycontrollingeverything.
まあ、もしこれがイカゲームで、僕がすべてをコントロールする男だったらね。
I wouldshootthatguydead.
私ならそいつを撃ち殺すね。
Youtakeyoutakeyourstickeroffthecamera.
カメラに貼ったシールを剥がすんだ。
You'redone.
終わりだ。
Yeah.
そうだね。
No, it's likestoptothehead.
いや、頭にストップがかかったようなものだ。
Thisisentrepreneur.
これが起業家だ。
Thisisguythinkingoutsideofthebox.
既成概念にとらわれない発想の持ち主だ。
You'reyou.
君は君だ。
I hadthisthoughtshakethough.
しかし、私はこう思った。
Like I mean, itmakesmesoyouknow, likeyousaidinthebeginninglikewewewatchedphysical 100 andliketheyou'relike I thinkwithinthefirst 10 minutesyouweretextingjustlikewehavetomakeculinary 100 likewehavetodothisbutthere's likelittledidtheyknowwhentheyweremakingphysical 100.
Sowhat I alwaystellpeoplelikemakecolddishesbecausetheyhavetosetuptheshop, youknow, it's not a seamlessdishesdoneandthenitgoesyouusuallythatfoodislikelikedyingwhentheycalldyingatthewindowrestaurantislikethatmeansthatfoodisnotgettingfromthekitchentothetable.
And I'm alwayslikethisisnotmaybethere's nowaytodoit.
そしていつも、これは多分、どうしようもないことなんだ。
And I rememberhaving a conversationtotheonepersonthatspokeEnglishonthesamethingcouldtheyfixthisandthey'relike, no, no, wehave a lotofideastosortofaddresssomeoftheshortcomingswasthefoodabletogethoteatinghot.
Yeah, and I thinkyouknow, like I I judgeonTopChefeverynowandthenandtheyalwaystellyouandyou'resortofcognizantoflikedon't judge, youknow, ifyou'rehaving a superrisotto, don't judgeitbasedontemperature.
トップ・シェフ』の審査員をしていると、いつも言われるんだけど、温度で判断してはいけないって。
Justjustimaginewhatthistastedlike 35 minutes.
これが35分後にどんな味になるのか、想像してみてほしい。
I thinkthat's animpossibletask.
それは不可能なことだと思う。
Yeah, itis.
そうだね。
I didlikeinthatfirstpartoftheshow.
私はあのショーの最初の部分が好きだった。
I mean, it's funnythatyoubroughtthatupChangbecause I I thinktherewaslikeaninterestingthingwhereit's it's whatit's likesportypeoplecookingatthesametime, butitislikewhenyou'rereadytobejudged.
というのも、スポーティーな人たちが同時に料理をするというのは、面白いことだと思うんだ。
It's like, okay, thejudgescomeoverandtasteyourfoodatyourstation, whichisaninteresting I hadneverreallyseenthatespeciallythatkindof a scale.
審査員がやってきて、自分の持ち場で料理を試食するんだ。
I lovethemosuchefjustbeing I knewtheshowwasgoingtobedifferentwhenlikethehominiesthegrandmasweregoinglikegetting 86.
Thatwaslike I madehimlike a gigalike a stewandlikeyeah, butyoudidn't makeanyrice.
シチューのようなギガのようなものを作ったんだけど、そう、でもご飯は作らなかったんだよね。
Youcan't eatthiswithoutrice.
ご飯なしでは食べられない。
You'regoinghome.
君は家に帰るんだ。
It's sogood.
とてもおいしいよ。
It's sobrutal.
とても残酷だ。
I loveit.
とても気に入っている。
I loveitandwhatelsehaveyouwhatelseareyouuptobackhereStateside?
大好きだよ。他に何かしていることはある?
I'm actuallygettingreadytoopen a nonprofitrestaurantinWashingtonDC.
実はワシントンDCで非営利のレストランを開く準備をしているんだ。
It's goingtobecalledShiaandoneofthethingsthatwe'redoingisthatwe'reactuallythemainreasonfortherestaurantis a researchfocuswherewe'retryingtofigureoutpracticalsolutionswhererestaurantscanbemoresustainableandthenwe'regoingtopublishpaperssothatanyrestaurantacrossthecountrycanadoptwhatwe'redoing.
Doyourememberwhenthatvideocameoutoftheturtleandtheplasticstrawandeveryrestaurantandbarstartedtobanplasticstrawsandweallfeltgreataboutourselvesthatwe'vechangedtheworldand I'm like, youknow, I applaudanyonethatgetsridofplasticfromtheirbars, butliketheamountofplasticthat a kitchengoesthrougheverysingledayisferocious.
Andsowe'retryingtofigureout a waylikewe'regoingtodozeroplasticzerogasandwe'regoingtofigureouthowtoreduceourwasteby 50% and I justthinkthat's somethingthat's neatlikeasweasrestaurantskeepgettingbiggerandmoreandeverythinglikewe'vegottofigureout a waytosortofcurtailsomeoftheplasticthatwe'rethrowingintotheenvironment.
We'regoingtocostanalyzeitwithlaboranalyzeitandthenwe'regoingtopublish a papersayifyoudecidetogothisroute, it's goingtobemoreexpensive, butexactlyhowmuchmoreexpensivewedon't reallyknowbutthiswaynowwewillhaverealdatafrom a realrestaurantandwe'llbeabletotellyou.
Willtherebe a setofpeoplethatarewillingtopayhigherpricestoeatatyourrestaurantandthatturnedouttobetrueand I thinkgiveneverythingthat's equalwouldyouchoosetoeatat a restaurantthatadvertisedzeroplasticthestainageversusyouknow, ifallthingsbeingequal, wouldyoupay a littlebitextratogoto a restaurantthatwaszeroplasticand I thinkpeoplewouldwell, I think.
Itisandit's a costthatgetssubsidizedandnobodyreallypaysforthatatall.
それは補助金で賄われる費用で、実際には誰も負担していない。
But I alsohavetocommendyoubecauseitjustseemsonpaperimpossibletodo, youknow, andnotthatyoucan't doitEdand I wanttotalkquicklyaboutthenot-for-profitandthepeoplefinanciallyhelpingyou.
Youshouldbedoingthesamethingbecause I thinkthat's thewrongapproachand I thinkthat's a lotoftheresistancethatyougetfrompeoplebecausenoonewantstogoto a restauranttolecturethat.
And I usedtosaytoAnthonyallthetime, likeAnthony's a greatcook, but I waslike, whenpeoplearechoosingwhatrestauranttheywanttogofordinner, nobodysays, peoplesaylike, oh, I feellikeThaior I feellikeChineseor I feellikeMexican.
It's gottobe, I waslike, Anthony, makethemostdeliciousBurmesefoodyoucanimagineanddoitaccordingtoalloftheprinciplesyouhave, butleadwithlikewhatisdeliciousfirstandwhat's likegoingtobe a greatcustomerexperienceandthenletthemfindtherestontheirown.
Sowe'reimporting a fewitemsfromKoreaandjustfiguringoutwhat, whatthat, youknow, inthis, youknow, I study a lotofimmigrantfoodand I kindof, I lovegettingobsessedovertheprogressofimmigrantfood.
And I havethisthinglike, sowhenever a foodcomestoAmerica, whetherit's KoreanorThaiorItalianorArmenian, itcomesin, thefirstthing, thefirstgenerationyouseeismomandpopstores, right?
Andyou'reseeingitinsomeoftherestaurantsinNewYorkwith, withthetastingmenus, Koreantastingmenuswhereyou'reseeinglike, I don't know, itbecomes, therebecomes a somewhatof a purity, youknow, like, like a distillationofeverything.
Like, I don't, I don't, I wantpeopletocometospecifically, youknow, a byproductisifyoucomeandwant, like, wewilltellyouallaboutourmission, butonlyifyouask, likewe'renotheretoshoveitinyourfaceandshoveitdownyourthroat.
I justwantedtoshow, I justwanttoshowthatbourbonisaningredient.
バーボンが食材であることを示したかったんだ。
It's diverse.
多様だ。
Youcan, youcan, listen, I putbourboninAsianfood.
アジア料理にはバーボンを入れるんだ。
It's fantastic.
素晴らしいよ。
Butit's alsokindofmylovelettertoKentucky.
でも、ケンタッキーへのラブレターのようなものでもあるんだ。
I mean, I foundmyself, youknow, fromNewYorkoriginally, butfoundmyselflikefallinginlovewithKentuckyandgotmarriedthere, had a kidthere, just, justhad a fuckingincredibleride.