Name: Villain Therapy: Gollum, Smeagol, and Dissociative Identity Disorder（Villain Therapy: Gollum, Smeagol, and Dissociative Identity Disorder）
Uploaded: 2024-05-25T02:52:27.000Z
Duration: 29 min 33 s
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Jonathan: None of the evil awful things  Smeagol does are mental illness.

That's greed, that's corruption,  that's human flaws and frailties that we all have.

People with dissociative identity disorder,  the reason they have it is they've been through hell.

They deserve compassion. They deserve understanding.  Not judgment, not 'stop putting on an act'.

Jonathan: Understanding leads to compassion  and compassion leads to healing,

when you have a united support of people  who believe in you, that healing is within your reach.

Jonathan: But if it loses, then we eats it.

Internet... Gollums?: If the Baggins loses we eats it whole.

I'm Jonathan Decker,  licensed therapist and I love movies.

Alan: And I'm a little lad who loves berries and cream.

Jonathan: This is Alan Seawright,  who literally just saw that for the first time.

A little lad: I'm a little lad who loves berries...

Jonathan: So today we're going to be talking  about Smeagol / Gollum from the Lord of the Rings

Jonathan: So to be clear, there is no correlation  between mental illness and violent, villainous behaviors.

In fact, if you suffer with mental illness,  you are 10 times more likely to be a victim of violence.  Alan: Correct.

There are aspects of Smeagol's personality  that could be broken down or described as mental illness,

but none of the evil awful things he does are mental illness.  Alan: No.

Jonathan: That's greed. That's corruption.  That's human flaws and frailties that we all have

Alan: Amplified by the power of the ring.

Jonathan: People watch these films  and they see how he goes back and forth

and they ask, Well, is this some form of psychosis?  Does he have multiple personality disorder?

So what would a therapist say about this  and how we break down the character?

First of all, it's not multiple personality disorder.  Alan: Oh, okay.

Jonathan: So what is it? I will tell you, let's watch.

So there's Deagol. He was fishing.  Fish dragged him into the water, somehow. Big fish.

Jonathan: And found the ring,  and Smeagol here sees it for the first time.

Alan: So, one thing that Peter Jackson does  to really good effect here, but a lot in the films,

is he does a lot of close ups that are very close  and he puts the camera in really close and uses a wide lens

which tends to stretch out the face.  Just... it makes things a little bit uncomfortable. Jonathan: Yeah.

Alan: Comes from his time as a horror director, I think. Jonathan: Yeah.

Alan: Since this is kind of a horror movie scene.

Jonathan: So there's obvious  supernatural influence here with the ring,

but it's meant to be symbolic of  all of our potential for corruption,

for abandoning our morality  in favor of selfishness, in favor of...

It is serious...  you get the horror movie vibes in the scene.

Alan: Yeah, very much so.  And that's really influenced by the...

the score just being this one lone voice  representing the call of the ring. And then that heartbeat.

Jonathan: Which is Deagol's, right?  Because it slows down and stops.

Jonathan: I remember being in the movie theater  being deeply uncomfortable, but that was the point.

I mean, thematically, it's about...  The influence of evil. And horror directors,

you think they they spend so much time in the dark  that they wouldn't be able to do light very well,

but there's so much beauty and hope  in these films to contrast it. I mean, Peter Jackson's just...

Alan: It was something in the Black Speech.

Jonathan: So one thing we're doing with this episode,  because the films give you Gollum out of order.

Alan: Yeah, we're kind of putting it  a little bit more in order.

Alan: So he's blaming other people for...

Alan: ...can't die because he's holding the ring.

Jonathan: Well, he weeps for being alone.  He also weeps for what he did to his friend. Alan: Yeah.

Jonathan: I mean, the fact is, he started this  as somebody who enjoyed fishing with his buddy.

Jonathan: He was just... This little song.

Jonathan: Can we talk about the transition  from Andy Serkis to practical makeup to...

Alan: Yeah. So we started with basically  just Andy Serkis in a wig.

And we've gone through multiple different makeups now,  including this one, which is very extreme.

And I love that in this shot, they actually take...

This starts with Andy Serkis in a makeup.

Alan: Blinks. He opens his eyes and they're unnaturally large,  and they've gone to a full CG Gollum.

And I know where the seams are,  and I cannot see them. And that's just...  Jonathan: Yeah.

Alan: It's just a - mastery of the craft  and b - a huge amount of work.  Jonathan: Yeah.

Alan: Like, they just did it over and over  and over again until it was perfect.

The thing that you don't hear about is,  you know, everybody like, Oh, they can just fix that with CG.

And when... when people say,  Oh, that's just CGI and it's lame.

Computers aren't making the thing.  It's called computer generated imagery, which is not right.

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Villain Therapy: Gollum, Smeagol, and Dissociative Identity Disorder（Villain Therapy: Gollum, Smeagol, and Dissociative Identity Disorder）

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