No, the prohibition is anything that compromises the intellect, even if it expands the intellect and makes it smarter.

いや、禁止されているのは知性を損なうもので、たとえ知性を拡張して賢くするものであっても、だ。

Okay, where does coffee fall?

さて、コーヒーはどこに入るのでしょうか？

I've never encountered anyone who commits a crime because they drank a lot of coffee or a lot of tea of it.

コーヒーをたくさん飲んだから、お茶をたくさん飲んだからという理由で犯罪を犯す人には出会ったことがない。

I don't know how it nets out in Judaism, but yeah, I mean, I think in this respect Judaism and islam differ quite a bit because you know, in Judaism, we have wine as part of many rituals.

ユダヤ教ではどうなのかわかりませんが、この点では、ユダヤ教とイスラム教はかなり異なると思います。

Like alcohol is something that is very celebrated in a ritualistic sense.

お酒は儀式的な意味でとても謳歌するものであるように。

So the whole notion of shifting conscious states is part of spirituality and Judaism.

ですから、意識状態を変化させるという考え方は、スピリチュアリティやユダヤ教の一部でもあるのです。

So there's nothing against the use of psychedelics in Judaism.

だから、ユダヤ教でサイケデリックを使うことに反対することはないんだ。

So pro psychedelics, pro psychedelics.

だからサイケデリックのプロ、サイケデリックのプロ。

Anti shellfish.

アンチ・シェルフィッシュ

We do the shellfish, but not the shrooms.

貝類はやりますが、しじみはやりません。

Yeah, I think these things might be connected.

ああ、これらは繋がっているのかもしれないな。

So are you in jewish law?

では、あなたはユダヤの法律家なのでしょうか？

Is it permissible if I take cocaine?

コカインを摂取しても許されるのでしょうか？

I just don't know where I'm going to stand with God if I do it?

ただ、それをやると、神様のどこに立ってしまうのかがわからないんです。

I'm not a jewish law expert.

私はユダヤ法の専門家ではありません。

So I don't know how to answer that for long.

だから、どう答えたらいいのか、ずっとわからないんです。

I wish Muslims would give the same response.

イスラム教徒にも同じような対応をしてほしいですね。

Would it come to Islamic law?

イスラム法に来るだろうか？

It's not knowing something.

それは、何かを知らないことです。

Yeah, I don't know how profound that is, Muslims don't do it because they have access to slam Q and A in this episode, The psychedelic kind of opens up a breakthrough of something that's kind of underlying that they need to deal with.

イスラム教徒は、このエピソードでスラムのQ＆Aにアクセスできるからやるのではなく、サイケデリックが、彼らが対処しなければならない根本的な何かの突破口を開くようなものなのです。

It kind of becomes this this strange phenomenon of like, okay, you're doing something you're not supposed to do, but then like, well where was it written for you to do that?

そうすると、「やってはいけないことをやっている」と思いきや、「どこにそうしろと書いてあったんだ？

And I think that's the thing that people who, whether they're on a spiritual path or aren't on one are always constantly debating when the concept of spirituality comes up, you know, the whole idea of what is written, right, muslim culture, there is an enormous amount of, of misunderstanding about it about this because nowhere in the Koran does it say that things are predestined?

スピリチュアルな道を歩んでいる人も、そうでない人も、スピリチュアリティの概念が出てくると、常に議論になりますね。

I've often thought if you know, why did I end up in the United States?

なぜアメリカに来たのか、よく考えてみた。

While a lot of the people I grew up with who were never able to leave Egypt ended up in prison and political prison, it burdens you, right?

エジプトを離れられないまま大人になった人たちの多くが、刑務所や政治犯にされてしまう中、負担が大きいですよね？

It's like, okay, so God chose this for me, how do you express gratitude?

そうか、神様は私のためにこれを選んでくれたんだ、どうやって感謝を表現するんだ、という感じです。

How do you live up to the responsibility?

その責任にどう応えていくか。

I think most things we don't actually have control over because most things actually function in the unseen realm.

ほとんどのものは、実は目に見えない領域で機能しているので、私たちがコントロールできるものではないと思うのです。

And even just thinking about like how much do you know about yourself and your body and the different things that are going on inside, we largely don't know much actually, God's will compliments are will, I mean if you, if you are determined to be a loser, you know, God will send you a lot of signs, God, you're a loser to change your path to stop being that if you ignore the signs that you know, cause it's like, okay, yeah, you just like triggered like a memory of how I even began writing like, you know, songs that meant something to me the day that I got arrested when I had like I got a gun charge and I'm sitting in the car when we got pulled over and nothing made sense.

自分自身や自分の体、内側で起こっている様々なことをどれだけ知っているかということを考えるだけでも、実は私たちはほとんど知らないのです、神様の意志は褒めてくれます、つまり、もしあなたが負け犬になることを決意したら、神様はあなたにたくさんのサインを送るでしょう、神様。もしあなたがそのサインを無視するなら、あなたは敗者なのだから、そうならないように道を変えなさいとね。

Like I wasn't supposed to be arrested.

逮捕されるはずじゃなかったのに、みたいな。

Like somehow the driver didn't have a driver's license with him, you know what I mean?

なぜか運転手が運転免許証を持っていないとか、ね。

And then the insurance was just expired in his vehicle so he couldn't drive it And every single person that I called to come and pick up the car, didn't answer their phone.

そして、彼の車の保険がちょうど期限切れで運転できなくなり、車を引き取りに来いと電話しても、どの人も電話に出なかったんです。

And so then that led to a search where they found a gun and then I got arrested for the gun.

それで捜査の結果、銃が見つかり、その銃のために逮捕されたんです。

And I remember sitting in the cell thinking, well it's over for me and I couldn't leave Toronto for almost a year, but in that year I confronted, you know, so much that I was dealing with that I was escaping in the years prior.

でも、その1年の間に、それまでの数年間に逃げていた多くのことに直面しました。

And so it was like all of those kind of experiences and those traumas compounding led me to, I think uh, to like to an artistry that I didn't even think that I was capable of like holding in my body.

そのような経験やトラウマが複合的に作用して、自分の体に備わっているとは思ってもみなかった芸術性を持つに至ったのだと思うのです。

But you know what my dad told me that making music was gonna keep me far from the faith and I'm here sitting with the share.

でも、父に言われたんです。音楽を作ることは、私を信仰から遠ざけることになると。

It's actually amazing.

実はすごいんです。

I really I really just took it in that I'm here having a conversation with the share because I wrote songs, your dad was wrong.

私は本当に......本当にただ、私が曲を書いたからここでシェアと会話しているんだ、君のお父さんは間違っている、と受け止めたんだ。

Music has a past the gods.

音楽には神々の過去がある。

Yeah, it was a path to you and you are close to God and now I am as a result of that closer to God.

そう、それはあなたへの道であり、あなたは神に近く、そして今、私はその結果として神に近くなっているのです。

But then all of that feels predestined for me.

でも、そのすべてが自分にとって運命的なものだと感じているんです。

You know what I mean?

わかるか？

If you if you would have chosen to play video games, you know, you got the, you know, creative impulse and you say, no, I'm gonna go play video games instead you Schwartz.

もし、あなたがビデオゲームを選んでいたら、創造的な衝動に駆られて、「いや、代わりにビデオゲームをやる」と言ったでしょう......シュワルツ。

And that's why it's that's where the choice comes in.

だからこそ、そこに選択肢が生まれるのです。

That's where the choice you were presented with an opportunity to do the alternative thing.

そこで、選択肢を提示されたのが、オルタナティヴなことです。

And but the thing is like, would that always have been my like destiny anyway, if that's what was, I don't think so, There's destiny and Destiny be destiny.

でも、もしそうなら、それは私の運命のようなものだったのだろうかと思うのです。

A if if you act if you choose to act on God's gift and destiny be if you choose to ignore God's gifts, which actually is very much like video games, video games are profound.

Aもしあなたが神の贈り物と運命に行動することを選択した場合、あなたが神の贈り物を無視することを選択した場合、実際には非常にビデオゲームのように、ビデオゲームは奥深いです。

But I feel, I mean, I'm curious like even in your work, because it's it's such an intersection between art and and spirituality.

でも、あなたの作品を見ていても、アートとスピリチュアリティが交差しているような気がして、不思議な感じがするんです。

Like, I mean, that must feel like a present choice that's always there.

つまり、常にそこにある現在の選択肢のように感じるのでしょう。

Yeah, definitely.

ええ、もちろんです。

I think that sometimes when we think about God we think of God as an external being that in some ways it's like the divine will is being imposed on us versus actually God lives within us, um it's not really one or the other, it's actually more of a co creation process and I certainly feel this way as an artist and as a spiritual teacher um that I I'm actually co creating with God with the divine, so I make a step, God make us steps, we meet each other, and then we're like, we take a little break, we discussed, like, did that work out?

神について考えるとき、私たちは時に、神を外的な存在として考え、神の意志を私たちに押し付けるようなことがありますが、実際には、神は私たちの中に生きています。私はアーティストとして、またスピリチュアルな教師として、実際に神と神との共同創造をしているのだと感じています。

I think it's also interesting like seeing with Romney's character on the show, because, you know, a lot of times we make choices or we take actions and we don't think that it's going to catch up to us, because, you know, obviously we're living in a time where there's really such a high level of lack of accountability from multiple beings, multiple systems, um and men for sure, um and we see this also with Romney's character, that's what I'm talking about the Romney character, you know, I mean, I'm going to just take the hit for all of us and say yes, wow, thank you, we need men like, yes, and just tell me what's next for me, I think that what it means to be a person who is devoted to God is to live in spiritual integrity, which means to have accountability.

というのも、私たちは多くの場合、選択したり、行動を起こしたりしても、それが自分たちに追いつくとは思っていないからです。ロムニーの性格についてもそうです。つまり、私たち全員を代表して、「はい、ありがとうございます。

Yeah, I do think that idea of accountability is really interesting because I do think there's this thing for the character or there's this thing where, you know, I think people will feel all the time in their lives where it's like, is it too late?

ええ、説明責任という考え方はとても面白いと思います。キャラクターに対するもの、あるいは、人は人生の中で常に「もう手遅れなのではないか」と感じるものだと思うからです。

Right.

そうですね。

And actually, that's one of the things that I think is really interesting because especially in that conversation about destiny, it's like, we need to also unpacked this dimension of time.

というのも、特に「運命」についての会話では、「時間」という次元も解き明かす必要があるのです。

Time is actually not a linear phenomenon.

時間というのは、実は直線的な現象ではありません。

It's a simultaneous co creation reality, which we see both from spirituality and from quantum physics.

スピリチュアリティからも量子物理学からも見えてくる、同時共創的な現実なのです。

And that's what I try to say every time, like a script is laid, I'm gonna say something else.

そして、それは毎回、台本が敷かれるように、別のことを言うようにしています。

But going back to that for me, being able to be in relationship with the unknown is the heart of my spiritual practice because if I know then there's no space for God, but if I don't know, then there's infinite space for God.

というのも、もし私が知っていれば、そこには神が存在する余地はありませんが、もし私が知らなければ、そこには神のための無限の空間が存在するからです。

And That to me feels actually really central to this conversation.

そして、それがこの会話の中心になっていると思います。

You know, I've been lucky to have experiences in my life that felt spiritual.

私は幸運なことに、これまでの人生でスピリチュアルと感じられる経験をすることができたんです。

I mean, like when I was like 19, I remember I I all I wanted to do was act and I didn't know if I should be acting or if I should be going to college and I was actually gonna become a lawyer because I was like, that's like professional acting in a different way uh learning that No, I wasn't, but but I I I remember, you know, I had gotten Bell's palsy where I couldn't move half my face for like 78 months, you know, I was unable to move it.

19歳の頃、演技をすることだけを考えていて、演技をするべきか、それとも大学に行って弁護士になるべきか迷っていたんだ。

And I remember thinking, wait, like I'm going to be an actor, but it's just some sign is just some fate of like, I shouldn't do it or I should do it.

でも、それは「やってはいけない」「やったほうがいい」という運命のようなもので、「待てよ、僕は俳優になるんだ」と思ったのを覚えています。

And I remember almost kind of like, yeah, looking really in words and I just kind of made a deal with myself as to what I wanted it to mean, because I think there were people in my family who were like, look at you, you wanted to go out and do this acting as comedy and like, you know, God took away your face.

というのも、私の家族の中には、「お前はコメディーとして演技をしたいのに、神がお前の顔を奪ってしまった」というような人がいましたから。

And then I remember being like, well, do I want to think about it that way, or do I want to reframe it?

その時、私は、そのように考えたいのか、それともリフレーミングしたいのか、というようなことを考えたことを覚えています。