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>> STEVE KORNACKI, YOU DON'T
ACTUALLY WRITE FOR ANY
BULLRIDING ASSOCIATION.
BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD.
I LOVE YOUR WORK AT THE TRIPLE
CROWN.
BUT I'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY
STUNNED BY JUST HOW SELF-
DESTRUCTIVE, IN MY OPINION, NOT
YOURS AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY,
HAS BEEN BY THE PEOPLE WHO PUT
UP TO RUN STATEWIDE RACES AND
SWING STATES.
AND THERE IS NOT A STATE THAT
IS MORE OF A SWING STATE NOW
THAN ARIZONA.
AND MY GOD, THE PEOPLE WHO LOOK
TO BE LINING UP TO WIN ARE ALL
IN THROUGH THE TRUMP CONSPIRACY
THEORIES.
TAKE US THROUGH ALL OF THOSE
RACES.
>> TAKE US TO CRAZYTOWN.
>> WELL, WHAT YOU'RE OUTLINING
THERE IS THE DEMOCRATS' HOPE
HERE, IN THE FACE A CLIMATE
THAT OTHERWISE, IF YOU JUST
LOOK AT JOE BIDEN'S APPROVAL
RATING, STATE OF THE ECONOMY,
POLITICAL, IN THE HISTORY OF
HOW MIDTERM ELECTIONS GO FOR
WHITE HOUSE PARTIES, DEMOCRATS
ARE HOPING, WHAT YOU JUST
OUTLINED WILL BE A MAJOR
MITIGATING FACTOR, THAT WOULD
ALLOW THEM TO DEFY HISTORY, AND
TO KEEP THE SENATE.
LET'S FOCUS ON THE SENATE HERE
NOW.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS 50-50 IN THE SENATE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHAT
LOOKS LIKE THE POTENTIAL
BATTLEGROUND FOR THE SENATE.
IS SHADED.
REPUBLICANS JUST NEED A NET
GAIN OF ONE SEAT AND THEY GET
CONTROL.
AND AGAIN, JUST GIVEN THE
ENVIRONMENT, EVERYTHING THEY
TALK ABOUT, YOU WOULD THINK,
LOOKING AT THIS MAP, THAT THAT
ONE SEAT WOULDN'T BE TOO HARD
TO COME BY.
RIGHT AWAY, YOU TAKE A LOOK
HERE.
WHAT WOULD THE TWO MOST LIKELY
OPTIONS BE FOR THE REPUBLICANS?
WELL, THE TWO DEMOCRATIC-HELD
SEATS THAT WERE THE CLOSEST IN
THE 2020 ELECTION, WERE GEORGIA
AND ARIZONA.
THEY BOTH WENT FOR BIDEN IN
2020.
BUT REMEMBER, ABOUT 11,000
VOTES WAS BIDEN'S MARGIN IN
GEORGIA, INSIDE OF 10,000 VOTES
IN ARIZONA, RAZOR-THIN MARGINS
FOR JOE BIDEN.
MEANING COMING IN THE MIDTERM
LIKE THIS.
NO MARGIN FOR ERROR.
THE POLLING FOR REPUBLICANS HAS
BEEN CONCERNING SO FAR.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HERSHEL WALKER
IN THAT SENATE RACE.
AGAIN, REPUBLICANS WILL TELL
YOU, HEY, THIS WILL END UP
BEING IN THEIR VIEW, IN WAVE
YEARS, ALL OF THE RACES TEND UP
BREAKING TOWARD THE OPPOSITION
PARTY AT THE END OF THE CYCLE,
HERSCHEL WALKER WILL GET CARRIED BY THE WAVE.
CARRIED BY THE WAVE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS
AREDEPENDING ON.
POLLING SHOWS A CLEARLY
REPUBLICAN SENATE PRIMARY IN
THE SENATE TOMORROW.
POTENTIALLY BLAKE MASTERS IN
ARIZONA COULD PUT BOTH OF THOSE
OTHERWISE-ON-PAPER, CLEAR,
PICKUP OPPORTUNITIES FOR
REPUBLICANS AT RISK.
AND THEN YOU COMPOUND IT.
YOU WERE MENTIONING THE NAME OF
MEHMET OZ IN PENNSYLVANIA.
AGAIN, OZ, THE REPUBLICAN
NOMINEE IN PENNSYLVANIA.
POLLING HAS BEEN CONCERNING FOR
REPUBLICANS WHEN IT COMES TO
OZ.
WHEN IT COMES TO HIS APPROVAL,
FAVORABLE, UNFAVORABLE NUMBERS,
VERY HIGH, UNFAVORABLE NUMBERS.
IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT THAT MAP
AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS
RUNNING IN THESE STATES, YOU
WOULD SAY, HEY, PENNSYLVANIA IS
NOW A REPUBLICAN-HELD SENATE
SEAT.
PAT TOOMEY IS NOT RUNNING.
MAYBE DEMOCRATS HAVE A CHANCE OF PICKING UP PENNSYLVANIA BUT
OF PICKING UP PENNSYLVANIA BUT
ALL DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO IS WIN
GEORGIA OR ARIZONA AND THERE'S
THEIR NET WIN OF ONE.
ARIZONA MAY BE AS WELL.
YOU HAVE COLORADO ON THE MAP.
COLORADO IS THE KIND THAT COULD
COME INTO PLAY.
REPUBLICANS HAVE NOMINATED A
MUCH MORE MODERATE CANDIDATE
THERE.
BUT COLORADO IS MUCH MORE
DEMOCRATIC THAN ARIZONA OR
GEORGIA.
SO IT STARTS TO GET MORE
COMPLICATED.
AT LEAST FROM THIS VANTAGE
POINT.
WE'RE JUST INSIDE OF 100 DAYS
FROM ELECTION DAY, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL DYNAMICS
IN THE SENATE RACE, YOU CAN
START TO SEE A SCENARIO, WHERE
DEMOCRATS KEEP THE SENATE.
WHEN YOU TAKE THE INDIVIDUAL
DYNAMICS OUT OF IT, AND YOU
JUST THINK ABOUT THE BASIC
INGREDIENTS OF THE MIDTERM
CLIMATE, YOU STILL DO SEE THE
MAKINGS THERE OF REPUBLICAN
WAVE.
SO TWO THINGS ARE IN CONTENTION
WITH EACH OTHER THERE.
>> STEVE, I WOULD BE THE LAST
TO SUGGEST THAT POLLING IN JULY
MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE.
IT DOES GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT FOR
THAT TIME.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
FALL.
I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW,
ESPECIALLY, OF OHIO, WHERE YOU
ACTUALLY HAVE TIM RYAN DOING
EXTREMELY WELL AGAINST JD
VANCE.
I SUSPECT THAT'S A RACE THAT IS
GOING TO END UP, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE GOING TO BE STAYING UP
LATE IN THE NIGHT, MOST LIKELY,
TO SEE WHO WINS THAT RACE.
BUT I JUST WANT TO CIRCLE BACK.
I KNOW IT'S NOT A PENNSYLVANIA
DAY.
BUT YOU JUST OUTLINED SOMETHING
THAT, SOME NUMBERS THAT I JUST
READ AND I FOUND SHOCKING.
I SAID, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO
BE HARD FOR ANY CANDIDATE TO
GET AROUND.
DR. OZ'S NEGATIVES IN
PENNSYLVANIA ARE OFF THE
CHARTS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANY
CANDIDATE GETS AROUND THAT.
WHEN YOU SUGGEST THAT MORE SO
THAN HERSCHEL WALKER, MORE SO
THAN THE FORMER VENTURE
CAPITALIST, WHO LOVES SILICON
VALLEY IN SAN FRANCISCO.
WOULD YOU SUGGEST DR. OZ
PROBABLY HAS THE BIGGEST HILL
TO CLIMB BETWEEN NOW AND
ELECTION DAY OF ALL THE
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES?
>> I THINK PROBABLY TRUE.
AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
2020 RESULTS IN THESE STATES.
WE SAID ARIZONA, INSIDE OF
10,000 BOATS FOR BIDEN GEORGIA.
ABOUT 11,000-VOTE VICTORY FOR
JOE BIDEN.
WHEN YOU GOT TO PENNSYLVANIA,
BIDEN'S MARGIN WAS STRONGER,
YOU'RE LOOKING AT 2, 2 1/2
POINTS FOR BIDEN IN
PENNSYLVANIA.
SO ALSO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE
DEMOCRATIC, LESS REPUBLICAN
THAN THESE OTHER STATES.
SO I THINK THAT MAKES IT A
STEEPER HILL TO CLIMB.
AND YEAH, I THINK WHAT
DEMOCRATS ARE HOPING HERE.
IS OZ'S WEAKNESS.
THE OTHER THING YOU HEAR FROM
DEMOCRATS IS, HAS THE ROAD
DECISION MOTIVATED SOME OF
THEIR DEMOCRATIC-LEANING FEMALE
VOTERS?
IF IT HAS MOTIVATED THEM TO GET
INTERESTED IN THE MIDTERM
ELECTIONS.
WE'LL SEE THAT IN THE
PHILADELPHIA SUBURBS THAT WERE
SO DECISIVE IN 2020 IN THAT
STATE.
IS THAT A DYNAMIC.
BUT YEAH, YOU THINK BACK TO
THAT REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, IT
TOOK THREE WEEKS TO RESOLVE.
MEHMET OZ FINALLY WON THE
THING.
I THINK THE OFFICIAL IT WAS 900
VOTES.
THE CANDIDATE HE BEAT OUT THERE
WAS THE ONE THAT THE REPUBLICAN
ESTABLISHMENT WAS VERY MUCH
HOPING TO WIN.
THEY THOUGHT HE HAD A MUCH
BETTER CHANCE IN THE GENERAL
ELECTION THAN OZ.
BUT OZ DID CARRY THE TRUMP
ENDORSEMENT.
WE TALK ABOUT TRUMP ENDORSEMENT
HAVING A MIXED RECORD.
900 VOTE IN THAT.
I DON'T THINK OZ GETS THAT 900-
VOTE WITHOUT TRUMP.
AND THAT'S WHO REPUBLICANS HAVE
TO RELY ON IN PENNSYLVANIA.
WHAT THEY'RE RELYING ON IS LESS
OZ AND MORE NATIONAL CLIMATE.
THEY'RE HOPING IN OCTOBER,
VOTERS ARE SAYING, THEY DON'T
CARE WHO THE CANDIDATE IS.
THEY WANT TO VOTE AGAINST
BIDEN.
>> I'D BE SAYING IT, EVEN IF I
DIDN'T KNOW HIM, BECAUSE HE
WOULD BE POLLING VERY WELL.
LET'S TALK.
YOU BROUGHT UP ABORTION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT KANSAS.
OBVIOUSLY, A HUGE VOTE THERE,
THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE ARE
GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, TO SEE
HOW MUCH IMPACT ROE BEING
OVERTURNED AFTER ALMOST 50
YEARS HAS.
ESPECIALLY IN THE KANSAS CITY
SUBURBS.
HOW MOTIVATED WILL PEOPLE BE IN
THE SUBURBS TO GO OUT AND VOTE
BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT
OVERTURNED THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY
IN ROE?
>> YEAH.
SO THIS IS INTERESTING.
WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT IN KANSAS
TOMORROW, IT WOULD ADD LANGUAGE
TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION THAT
SAYS, THE STATE CONSTITUTION
DOES NOT PROTECT THE RIGHT TO
ABORTION.
SO IF THE REFERENDUM PASSES IN
KANSAS TOMORROW, WHAT IT WOULD
OPEN THE DOOR TO HAPPENING IS
THE STATE LEGISLATURE,
CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS,
POTENTIALLY MOVING TO AN ACT,
STRICT RESTRICTIONS, MAYBE
OUTRIGHT BAN.
IF GOVERNOR WERE TO GET ELECTED
TO SIGN THOSE LAWS INTO EFFECT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT
MORE IN KANSAS.
WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE THIS
SUPREME COURT DECISION THIS
YEAR, BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME
REFERENDUM ON FOUR STATES.
IT WAS ON THE BALLOT IN WEST
VIRGINIA, TENNESSEE, ALABAMA,
AND LOUISIANA, ALL WITHIN THE
LAST EIGHT YEARS.
IT PASSED IN ALL OF THOSE
STATES.
ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY IT WAS
CLOSE WHEN IT WAS ON THE BALLOT
IN WEST VIRGINIA.
IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.
AND THERE HAS BEEN POLLING IN
KANSAS.
WE THINK OF KANSAS AS A DEEPLY
RED STATE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT HAS BEEN IN
MOST WAYS.
BUT THERE'S BEEN POLLING IN
KANSAS THAT SUGGESTS THIS COULD
BE A CLOSE RACE.
THIS REFERENDUM TOMORROW.
AND I THINK THAT ISSUE YOU'RE
RAISING, ESPECIALLY ABOUT
JOHNSON COUNTY, THE SUBURBS ON
THE KANSAS SIDE.
THE METRO AREA.
THAT'S AN AREA THAT HAS TRENDED
TOWARD THE DEMOCRATS.
THAT'S AN AREA THAT HAS A LOT
OF THOSE KINDS OF VOTERS, WHO I
THINK ARE MORE MODERATE TO
LIBERAL ON SOCIAL ISSUES, BE
INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY ARE
MOTIVATED TO TURN OUT IN LARGE
NUMBERS BY THIS TOMORROW IF
THEY WERE, AND IF THIS