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  • - I became a minimalist because

  • I wanted to have

  • a simple life.

  • And it's hard to not...

  • look at our lives right now as really complicated.

  • And it's all your fault.

  • (both laugh)

  • (chill music)

  • - [Matt] A lot has changed over the past eight months,

  • since leaving California to spend more time

  • with our families in Australia and the US.

  • And, surprise surprise!

  • Our life hasn't gotten any simpler by making that decision.

  • As we prepare to head back to the US,

  • we thought it was a good time to sit down

  • and give a little bit of a life update.

  • This one's a little longer than normal,

  • so grab a cup of coffee and enjoy.

  • So, let's get into some questions here.

  • These questions are going to be covering everything

  • from our personal life, to business, to babies.

  • So it's going to be - To balls

  • (both laugh)

  • - You can't say balls,

  • on my channel.

  • - Hey you said you can bleep it.

  • - Yeah, that's true. I can bleep it.

  • Okay.

  • All right, so question number one,

  • it starts out really deep: Are you happy?

  • - Yes. - Are you?

  • - I know, isn't happiness on a sliding scale at all times?

  • - Yeah it is

  • - I'm on the Yes side of the scale.

  • - Okay, that's good. - So that's good.

  • - Yeah. - Am I the happiest

  • I've ever been in my life?

  • No. - (chuckles) Yeah.

  • I'm not either. It's funny cause I feel like we have

  • at least one significant major mental breakdown every week.

  • - Oh, you know what I saw someone

  • from Bray from Melbourne. - Yeah.

  • Posted something where people call it a "Menty B."

  • - Just a quick Menty B. - Yeah!

  • It sounds adorable.

  • - I know right!

  • So now we're calling it a Menty B.

  • - Yeah, I think. You're right.

  • And that it's a sliding scale and some days are better than

  • others.

  • I think right now we're in the middle of about seven or

  • eight week locked down in Sydney.

  • And so we're going through a lot of the same things we went

  • through in 2020.

  • Let's just say that.

  • - We're happy.

  • - We're happy.

  • - We're happy. - Happy

  • - What is happiness?

  • Next question.

  • - Who is more talkative?

  • I mean you definitely,

  • - Well, look who talked first just then.

  • - Yeah look's who got the YouTube channel.

  • - Inside

  • we are equally talkative,

  • but I would say outside to new people, I'm more talkative.

  • - Yeah. I'm definitely more shy than you are

  • when we leave the apartment,

  • You're the one that's like just having conversations with

  • random people on the street.

  • And I'm the one that's like just kind of like

  • - Being a dick

  • - Hiding behind your shoulder.

  • - Being a dick?

  • Shit...

  • Is avoiding all couple conflicts possible?

  • - I mean, look,

  • if you're in a relationship where you have zero conflict,

  • I would urge you to consider whether or not there is an

  • unequal weight balance happening there.

  • Like if someone,

  • if someone is taking lead all the time and then the other

  • person is doing nothing...

  • - Are you dating an inflatable doll?

  • - (laugh) Good question.

  • - Because no - That is true.

  • - A hundred percent.

  • Because it's 2021 and hey..

  • (laughs)

  • - We can't go there.

  • You gotta be progressive.

  • Yeah.

  • Let's just end it there.

  • It's 2021.

  • - I didn't finish that question.

  • I didn't finish that assignment.

  • I don't think I want to.

  • - I don't think we should go there.

  • No, no, it's definitely not possible.

  • And I think that we've learned conflicts are

  • going to happen.

  • We're going to have disagreements.

  • It's going to,

  • it's going to continue to happen throughout our life.

  • And it's more so like learning.

  • How do you get through them and how do you come to terms?

  • How do you agree to disagree sometimes and get through those

  • arguments without necessarily agreeing all the time?

  • - I don't think there's anything wrong with conflict

  • where there might be a problem is if you have problems with

  • resolving that conflict,

  • I think that's the real

  • telltale sign of like whether or not

  • you're in a healthy or unhealthy relationship is how you're

  • able to resolve move forward, learn from it,

  • allow each person to feel heard and understood because you

  • will absolutely have conflict.

  • And it's fine.

  • You're two different people and you're allowed to express

  • your different opinions.

  • And occasionally those will clash.

  • - I like the cool-down method,

  • Nat's not a fan of the cool-down method,

  • but I like taking a step away from the situation to like,

  • let my ego simmer down and then I can go back and apologize.

  • Which often happens.

  • - I feel abandoned when you do that.

  • - Yeah.

  • Because I want to talk things out so when Matt just

  • like shuts down and then like goes to another room,

  • then I'm kind of like, oh, I feel disposed of

  • - Yeah

  • - Like I'm disposable

  • - That's something that we've worked through

  • with how we work through our conflicts.

  • So I try to...

  • - Man up!

  • - Yeah, yeah I didn't want to say it. (laughs)

  • Can't say it.

  • What's your height? Just curious.

  • Honestly, I swear to God,

  • this question came up about 10 times.

  • Let's just say short is...

  • - Yeah. We're both short.

  • - I think in a video, like Jason Zuk said that I was like

  • five foot one or something.

  • - That's what I am!

  • - Yeah. So you're five one

  • - I'm like, in-between, I'm five one if you round up

  • - And I'm

  • five nine

  • if you round up.

  • I think I'm like barely like five nine.

  • - But we do try to guess every now and then like

  • what our kids will be like.

  • And so we're like,

  • will our kids have curly or straight hair?

  • And it's like rolling the dice.

  • Will our kids be smart?

  • Or like an idiot?

  • And it's like rolling the dice,

  • but it's like, will our kids be short?

  • And it's like, well, I mean..

  • - Yeah. - Yeah.

  • - Our kids are going to be short and loud.

  • - I didn't mean to call you an idiot.

  • - That's okay.

  • Honestly. Didn't even notice - I know!

  • Just so common.

  • - Conflict resolution!

  • - Okay. So this one is actually one that I can't read.

  • - Oh, is it pronounced data or data?

  • - I say data.

  • - Do you know what I say?

  • Data.

  • - Ooh

  • It's been so long. - You've changed.

  • You know, it only took like,

  • I think it took like five months

  • because my first job in New York

  • happened to be working with lot with data.

  • So I was saying that word a lot.

  • - Yeah. I don't know if we've ever

  • - Talked about this on the channel, but how did we meet?

  • - On 3.

  • 1

  • 2...

  • Tinder - Tinder

  • As all great 2014 Love stories come about

  • For me you were just one of many, you know what I mean?

  • - Yeah. Well, that's actually true because Matt was

  • hardcore trying to find a girlfriend

  • - I was being a professional dater at the time

  • I had, like,

  • I just talked about this in the last video,

  • but like I had that dating anxiety.

  • And then once I overcame that, it was like, and like,

  • I'm not talking like I wasn't a player.

  • I just went on a lot of first dates that were unsuccessful.

  • And so I was trying to go on as many first dates as I could,

  • because it takes that first meeting to understand whether

  • you're going to have a connection with that person or not

  • because you couldn't,

  • you can't really tell that much through chat and text.

  • And I would find that there are some people that have great

  • banter through texts, but then when you meet them,

  • you actually don't get along at all.

  • And so I was like let me just meet a bunch of people.

  • And then I met Nat and then that was the last Tinder date I

  • ever went on.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Same for you, right?

  • - Yeah, pretty much

  • No but we went to a BR

  • a brewery.

  • And then at the end of the night,

  • I was like, ah, I'm going to head back.

  • And I was like, oh, you should see my place sometime.

  • And Matt thought that was like, I should come over.

  • Or he should come over.

  • So then he started following me down to the subway and then

  • we'd both had a few drinks and I turned around and I was

  • like

  • oh!

  • cause I wasn't expecting you to follow me.

  • And I was like, oh, you want all of this?

  • And like in the middle of the street

  • I was like you want all of this? And he was like

  • - Yeah, yeah - (laughs)

  • I thought that that was an invitation.

  • But it wasn't, it wasn't.

  • - It's a bit of a blow to the ego

  • to like follow me and then be like, oh, oh shit.

  • - I have never gone home with a girl on the first night.

  • And so I was like, this is it! - This is crazy!

  • Oh wait no, just kidding!

  • - I was like, no, yup that feels right.

  • That's what was supposed to happen.

  • (laugh)

  • - How's Nat's business going?

  • - Good!

  • It's been busy, which is nice.

  • But I mean, every,

  • I try my best to balance the work that I'm accepting

  • as much as possible because

  • every,

  • the reason I decided to go freelance in the first place was

  • for balance.

  • So I often find I'm in a fortunate position where I get to

  • exercise

  • the right

  • to say no a lot,

  • which has been really nice.

  • But yeah, no, it's been really good.

  • I'm finding so much fulfillment out of going freelance.

  • And I'm really touched that someone wrote that question

  • that was really like thoughtful.

  • Cause I know I don't, I don't talk about it a lot.

  • - Yeah.

  • And like,

  • I think a lot of times like you're in the fun sketches and

  • stuff and we're being silly,

  • but like when you put your like professional hat on,

  • you're like

  • - A different person, but do you want to know what?

  • I've gotten one client from this channel.

  • - Oh, that's right.

  • - Yeah.

  • So there's one viewer out there who watched was like,

  • Should I say this?

  • Was weird enough to like look me up on LinkedIn.

  • I'm like, is he going to watch now?

  • Was weird enough to look me up on LinkedIn,

  • which I'm glad he did

  • reach out and be like, Hey,

  • I think we might actually have some work.

  • I was like, what?

  • - What is amazing is that like, you went from a place,

  • if you don't mind me saying where,

  • you took that leap and it was like truly terrifying.

  • - Yeah, oh my gosh.

  • - Even though you had years and years of experience in the

  • industry,

  • you had zero experience freelancing and going out on your

  • own

  • Two weeks like straight,

  • I think you were just crying every day.

  • - Oh my God I was crying everyday.

  • - I had, I mean,

  • I remember sleepless nights.

  • Like couldn't go to sleep until 4:00 AM.

  • There was no other reason besides just being terrified at

  • what I thought other people were gonna think about me and

  • terrified of failing and then being judged.

  • That was,

  • it was completely like

  • - You were like entrenched in the industry and

  • you had co-workers at the time.

  • And so then you're worrying about what people might say and

  • might think about you

  • - Oh, she's gone off the rails.

  • Couldn't hack it, couldn't handle it

  • - I think the distance like helps, like the more,

  • the further that you get away from that past job,

  • the more that you like, can't even like,

  • remember like why it was so hard to begin with.

  • - It was the best

  • Like the best thing for me, it was so good.

  • Yeah. Never ever looked back.

  • It's been amazing.

  • And I wouldn't be able to do if it wasn't for you.

  • - Oh, thanks, honey. - It's true.

  • - Means a lot.

  • How do you start freelancing?

  • So what advice would you give somebody that is setting out

  • to start freelancing for the first time?

  • - You should take this question cause you gave me a lot of

  • advice that was very good.

  • - Okay.

  • But I do want to know kind of like

  • - From my perspective?

  • - Yeah, from your perspective,

  • cause it's more recent. - Yeah, yeah

  • - Cause like I did this in college.

  • - Oh that's true

  • Cause I went,

  • you never went full-time to freelance where as I went,

  • you were always freelance.

  • - Yeah I went slow and steady.

  • I think a lot of the stuff that you just touched on is

  • really important is like the mindset stuff is so important

  • because I saw early on that there were a lot of people that

  • were

  • just as talented as me,

  • more talented than me that

  • weren't able to make it work

  • because

  • they didn't really

  • one, they didn't understand that.

  • Like you have to push through those periods of doubt and

  • uncertainty,

  • those periods where like you may not get clients

  • for three months, six months time,

  • you may have to move back to live with your parents.

  • Like you certainly have to make sacrifices early on,

  • but it's not all about just pure talent.

  • It's about figuring out how do you run a sustainable

  • business?

  • How do you find new clients?

  • There's so much more to it than just being really talented

  • as like a filmmaker or a brand strategist.

  • That's obviously a massive part of it,

  • but it's just one of the elements that you need to develop.

  • - Yeah.

  • I would say for me the biggest thing is just like having one

  • person in your corner that you can pester every day

  • and ask them questions

  • and they can be completely cool with it.

  • Like it doesn't need to be someone who is like super

  • successful,

  • but it's just someone who like understands the path you're

  • on either they've done it themselves or they're in it in a

  • similar, in a similar path

  • milestone

  • that you're in.

  • But having someone to soundboard off every time you,

  • the first time you get a client reach out,

  • like what do I do? Or the first time a client is like,

  • great, send me your contract.

  • You're like, what does that look like?

  • Like just having one person just to soundboard,

  • like you were that person for me.

  • And then your sister was that person for you.

  • Your thoughts can kind of eat you alive when you're starting

  • your own business.

  • And you can kind of just like not know what the right path

  • forward is.

  • And like,

  • ultimately that steals away from the confidence that you

  • need to be presenting every time you speak to any client,

  • - Can I make something clear? This is not on

  • the point of topic that you're talking about.

  • But oh my God,

  • this is a nightmare.

  • - The lighting?

  • - What's the name of the game? - Truth

  • - I'm like such a perfectionist.

  • But before we started filming, I was like,

  • do you want some coffee?

  • I was like, the name of the game is keep going.

  • Because like so many times we do this where like, oh,

  • I didn't like the way I answer that, Let's just go again.

  • But with this,

  • whether it was the lighting or it was like how we answered

  • the question.

  • Name of the game, just keep pushing through.

  • - Truth.

  • - Is truth or dare.

  • So that was really great advice on freelancing.

  • When will there be something baking in the oven?

  • - You're making me cookies?

  • - No.

  • It's safe to say over the next two years,

  • we're going to start trying to have little

  • Pidding's and D'Avella's

  • - Aw little Pidding's

  • - And D'Avella's.

  • - No little Pidding's.

  • but I think I want a dog first.

  • - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • Dog would be nice.

  • This is like a big debate that we've got going back and

  • forth.

  • - We need your help. You guys need a comment below and say,

  • we're not going to say who's on what team,

  • but you need to tell us,

  • should we get a big dog or a little dog?

  • Because one of us wants a big dog and the other person wants

  • a little dog and we cannot,

  • the only solution we've come up with is both.

  • And I don't want to see any of those bullshit

  • comments that say, "Both!"

  • cause that doesn't help us so just tell us big dog,

  • little dog. Thanks.

  • - Yeah.

  • I became a minimalist because I wanted to have a simple life

  • and it's hard to not look at our lives right now as really

  • complicated because we have family in both Sydney and the

  • US and then when we have kids, what does that look like?

  • How do we fly with babies and a dog?

  • it's

  • - Dog

  • - and it's,

  • it's all your fault.

  • - (laughs)

  • I don't know

  • If we really knew what we were getting into.

  • - Oh when we were 24 and we swiped, right?

  • - Yes, exactly.

  • Obviously I think like our whole motto from the beginning,

  • it was like, let's just take it one day at a time.

  • And I think that's what we're doing right now.

  • - But at a certain point,

  • you can't take it one day at a time because all of a sudden

  • you're like, let's have babies and you're like, wait,

  • we were going to do this one day at a time

  • - Now it's forever.

  • You know what? To be honest,

  • like I think that we try to like use minimalism and

  • simplicity to,

  • to make our lives a little bit easier to take away a lot of

  • the challenges that we might face.

  • But like complexity is a part of life.

  • Question

  • Does your wife take your own productivity tips? LOL.

  • - LOL.

  • - (both laughs)

  • - Who asked that question?

  • - Daniel.

  • - Yeah Daniel already knows the answer to that question.

  • - Daniel knows what's up.

  • Has there even been one productivity tip that I have taken?

  • - Well we talk about this stuff,

  • but it's not like you're like taking notes and watching my

  • videos.

  • - I think it's actually, do you know what

  • I've taken away from the channel most,

  • mostly it hasn't been a specific tip or a specific trick.

  • It's been the overall mindset.

  • I think that you and I talk a lot about the importance of

  • rest

  • and balance

  • and not burning out.

  • And that's so important to both of us.

  • And I think it's the mindset that I've taken a lot away from

  • versus like one particular tip.

  • I don't like understanding priorities and like yeah.

  • - What do you think... yeah - Intentionality.

  • - Yeah. Intentionality and minimalism a hundred percent.

  • I think you're like way more intentional

  • - Just intentional

  • - A hundred percent.

  • One zero zero.

  • What do you think is something that people don't often see

  • from my life behind the scenes,

  • making videos like running this channel for the past four

  • years?

  • What do you think people don't see?

  • - Balls.

  • - (laughs)

  • We did promise ball talk

  • - Full circle

  • Literally full circle.

  • - You actually have a really hard time with YouTube

  • And I think like

  • the

  • keeping up a regular cadence

  • feeling like you're not burning out,

  • finding the fine line between enjoying it

  • and

  • it making it feel like it's a chore, but,

  • and that

  • that's something we talk about a lot,

  • but I also think you put that out on your YouTube as well.

  • - Yeah, true.

  • - The viewers who turn up

  • every week or every other week would

  • know that as well.

  • Oh, do you know what?

  • Matt is really good at binging and gaming

  • for like several hours. So like,

  • I'm really bad at like getting through an entire series or

  • like reading a book or like just getting through anything.

  • Cause I have like a restless mind.

  • Well, it's like,

  • you'll commit, like you love the closure

  • of finishing something like this year so far

  • you've done all of Veep.

  • All of The Office.

  • And then you started The Office again.

  • - Yeah. And I'm already on

  • season three and I finished Overcooked

  • - Overcooked on switch

  • - On switch. Yeah.

  • I'm certainly obsessive when it comes to completing things.

  • But it's funny how I do that with my work.

  • But then I also do that when I relax.

  • I'm like I'm going to chill out and watch the office

  • every single episode.

  • Okay any final words?

  • - No, that was it. No more questions?

  • That's it, no more questions. - That was so fun.

  • - I know

  • - Remember to comment below

  • Big dogs

  • small dogs, big dogs - Big dogs, small dogs

  • - And hey, if you want to throw in a particular breed,

  • we're all ears.

  • - Yeah we are here for it.

  • Thanks for watching.

  • - Have a great day.

  • - We'll see you soon.

  • - Bye!

  • - Bye!

  • That was fun.

  • - Aw again.

  • - It was bad?

  • - I think that..

  • Wait

  • Look at the elbow.

  • - Better.

  • It just didn't feel right. - It's not right.

  • - Try again.

  • - Oh that was

  • Ow, that really hurt though. - Does it hurt? Yeah

  • - Let's not do it again - Should we keep going?

  • Okay, love you - Bye

  • - You said bye.

  • Oh, you're going to go back to your place now?

  • - Yeah, okay see ya!

  • - Yeah I'll send you - See you in

  • - I'll send you - in eight months

  • a check in the mail. - Okay great

- I became a minimalist because

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