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  • Hi everybody

  • So this is a weird talk

  • I like that

  • Yeah, it's not going to give you any actionable insights into your business

  • Not predicting anything concrete for the future and there's also a bit offensive

  • Hope everybody's okay with that. If you're the type who gets offended by ideas, I would leave now

  • Don't worry the next slides not offensive see I like a little bit of time to leave so

  • If you could all this also, I'm not that much of a visual content producer you saw my first slide

  • So this this is going to require a bit of an active imagination and

  • We are all here together going on a journey. And for this talk to work you guys really need to

  • It's very easy to view these things as applying to the other. It's harder to see them as applying to you

  • Um, maybe another word that historically has been used. This is a bit of a religious talk

  • It's faith

  • now I

  • May be this word gets a bad rap, maybe faith usually is accepting things that aren't true or provably false

  • But you just have to accept them on faith and that's charlatanism

  • when I talk about faith, what I talk about is

  • Things that aren't provably true or false, um, and I can make arguments

  • But there is no concrete proof in any of this talk if I had concrete proof. I wouldn't tell you guys

  • They also might be watching

  • Like really

  • Ah, so just you know

  • Rose basilisk, I don't know if they'll reward you for this or punish you for this but they might be they might be watching right?

  • Just as if you're in the kernel it's easy for you to watch the memory of any user space process

  • to the years 2011

  • I got sued by Sony

  • Being in a lawsuit is a really trying experience. I had a panic attack. That's real scary

  • But you know, how do you deal with this kind of stuff? Right? I've made a rap song yelling at Sony

  • And then kind of you know attempt to prove that I

  • wasn't like

  • An unemployable outcast. I got a job at Facebook. I

  • Quit that job

  • They tell you they tell you the second day I'm at Facebook

  • They tell you that the truth, you know Google's all about. We're trying to organize the world's information

  • The second day. Are there a real slick marketing guy dressed in a suit?

  • This is back before Google went kind of the way they did now

  • Google still was kind of tech utopian a facebook says here's number of minutes. The world has spent on Facebook

  • It's your job as an engineer here to get this number to go up. This is 2011

  • So it's the end of 2011 and I'm at the movies

  • But I'm at a movie theater

  • And everyone's heard this simulation hypothesis. So I'll go through it quickly

  • Just in case you haven't and maybe because some of the arguments are kind of wishy-washy

  • So here we are on earth, and we've created a lot of worlds

  • you may argue that these worlds are not that complex, but

  • They are

  • worlds in and of themselves and

  • We did create them. So if you were

  • inside one of those worlds

  • It would be right for you to believe this simulation hypothesis

  • if you're Mario inside of Super Mario 64 the correct hypothesis to believe is the simulation hypothesis that you're a

  • simulation created by a higher world

  • So we can make this graph and put this down here and

  • Our world is likely a simulation created by no use the word. God. I

  • Think it's a good word for for our Creator. It's what?

  • They've been called historically and it stands to reason that they also probably created a bunch of other worlds

  • Now don't think of God as

  • Some mystical wizard one could even paint it like looks like Gandalf, right?

  • you don't think of God as a wizard think of God as a computer programmer because that's probably

  • Much more likely who created the worlds in our world computer programmers. So what is God God's probably computer programmer

  • I'm so the simulation hypothesis goes on to say there's this probably a big tree a God probably is not the root node

  • And so

  • What are the odds that wear this one?

  • Well, it seems pretty low. I don't know. Maybe there's like 40 nodes up on that thing. It looks like one in 40

  • It's probably actually a lot more nodes

  • You can draw a much bigger tree, but I can go kind of lose its effect on the slide

  • So yeah odds are we're in a simulation that's the simulation hypothesis 101, so I'm at the movies

  • I'm walking up to the ticket counter

  • 2011 was it was a rough year. I took something Jeff we could take kratom. It's good. I know it's kind of shitty but

  • I'm standing there. I'm walking up to the ticket counter

  • And this comes back to what I said before

  • It's when I first really realized that the simulation hypothesis applies to me

  • This isn't some

  • Hypothetical weird game that's being played here. This is actually my life that's being spoken about I am actually

  • in a simulation and so are you

  • I was raised atheist

  • probably most you all work -

  • I'm not gonna ask that as a poll question, but I

  • Was told about the big bang right your fool if you believe in creationism that the world was created

  • 6,000 years ago by uh by a God and I mean this is kind of probably pretty foolish

  • But then you're told this alternative thing. You're told about the Big Bang and the Big Bang is what created the universe

  • What created the Big Bang

  • This doesn't answer any questions

  • It's one of these I think eliezer yudkowsky talks about them was like like stopping points

  • Right if you'll ask a religious person

  • well what created the world god and you ask them what created God all they're like God always is it always will be so maybe

  • What created the Big Bang?

  • Well quantum fluctuations in the time space. Okay, what created that?

  • Right. This is not an answer

  • um

  • Look at this guy

  • For me fuck them Stormwind

  • His name right? I don't know. It's been a while. So that flights guy. I

  • Think he's an atheist

  • Well, if he was an atheist he'd be an idiot just these are his gods

  • So scarran development team

  • Has it occurred to everyone in here who's an atheist that you actually may be wrong

  • All right, the arrogance the arrogance of atheists that's insane it's absolutely insane, um

  • Take a little aside here

  • These are the some physics equations, right? So if you believe that our universe is simulate a ball

  • I think you can go to the church Turing thesis and I think there's like a church Turing

  • Some guy extended the thesis to said all physical processes are simulated by a Turing machine

  • And if you believe this you can compute a Turing machine on paper

  • Right, you're writing out all the equations

  • carefully for the universe

  • What do those equations look like when they're simulating a person screaming?

  • This guy

  • Really you really see the similarities

  • You are in a video game

  • Go back to what I said at the beginning of the talk this talk is gonna require

  • Imagination and faith, and I want you to take a minute

  • About a whole minute a minutes actually a really long time

  • but take a little bit of time and really think that

  • Maybe you are

  • They really might be watching this right now

  • It's unlikely. It's unlikely that they're actually watching it. Probably I mean think about if you had built like a big MMORPG, right?

  • it's unlikely that the game creators are actually zoomed into your

  • individual tile right now

  • Are you sure that's not what happens to you when you die

  • But really

  • You know again, I was raised atheist and

  • You you dismissed the notion of the afterlife and you dismissed the notion of heaven is like almost a childish

  • fantasy

  • but

  • Why is this not true

  • Like why is this if let's say let's even say let's even go a little more earthly here

  • Let's say that future me is bored

  • and like I

  • Self a videogame. I don't want to enjoy the game, right?

  • I mean if you really want to enjoy games in the future you're gonna need to

  • selectively mute

  • Certain parts of the memory clearly. That's what happened there. Right? So maybe uh,

  • maybe these were the greatest years of my life and

  • In the future. I create a video game so I can replay them

  • And that's where I am right now

  • Now, I'm not sure about this. I'm not willing to die to find out but

  • How do you know?

  • It's easy to dismiss this it's easy to just be like no no. No, I've been set in my ways for many many years, but

  • There's no real proof or evidence that this isn't true

  • Let's talk about a little story and they don't go the parable of a caged Tiger. It's about a tiger in a zoo

  • Um, but it's a nice - it's not like a sad zoo where we put the tiger in a small cage. It's not like that

  • It's a nice zoo, and the tiger is a in a beautiful lush meadow

  • With plenty of room to roam and in his youth he does room

  • he roams from the

  • fake wall on one side

  • To the fake trench on the other side

  • And he knows intellectually the Tigers are in zoos

  • And the zoos

  • Keep Tigers and cages

  • But he says no evidence for this cage

  • Remember, he's a tiger he only has a tiger brain

  • And when he

  • Walks around he doesn't seem to think anything. He can't seem to find any evidence. So

  • He goes on and Hunt says a tiger

  • Has a nice tiger family

  • Nice tiger feather it dies a nice tiger death

  • Bothered by the fact that he's in a cage

  • And I've come to you we were human

  • You live your nice human life

  • Maybe you haven't been to space but you've heard that humans have been there

  • You haven't been to the bottom of the ocean, but you heard James Cameron's been there

  • So you're you're pretty confident that you're not in a cage?

  • well, but so is the tiger and

  • What the tiger doesn't see is the zookeeper

  • You

  • The zookeeper is so much smarter than the tiger and

  • I think this is an idea that is finally starting to be accepted

  • like if you think of yourself as an intelligent agent, um, even the dumbest humans are

  • Far smarter than the smartest monkeys

  • But that's it easy to imagine things that are so much smarter than you

  • And they could build a cage that you couldn't recognize

  • Who's your zookeeper

  • This is impossible for you to conceive just as the tiger

  • You you can't imagine something smarter than you or you can imagine it?

  • But you can only imagine it in the vaguest terms

  • If you could imagine a chess player that was as good as Garry Kasparov

  • You can use your imagination to play chess as good as Garry Kasparov, right? Just ask your imagination what the imaginary version would do?

  • And you every move?

  • You can't imagine the zookeeper, but you can't rule it out

  • you

  • So if we're in a video game, are you a player character or non player character

  • What's the difference

  • Since I like his player just know that they're in a game

  • Ah

  • Maybe I'll do this show of hands how many people seriously consider this is a possibility

  • All right, so how do we get out

  • So we're probably running in a data center somewhere

  • Like this

  • Interesting

  • Up there. It's not here. The Dennison is not here

  • I want you to think about the computer that's running Skyrim the computer running Skyrim is not in the Skyrim world

  • Alfred Strom could walk from these dragon mountains all the way down to the

  • Lazy Ridge and you wouldn't find any evidence of the computer

  • So you're not going to find any I'm at the data center looking around here

  • But what if we could

  • Let's hack into the computer running the simulation and rewrite the operating systems nature

  • Every bad thing that happens in the world today

  • Murder rape yes, you know

  • Losing $20 dropping them on the sidewalk

  • Happens because the laws of nature allow these things

  • Could hack into the computer running nature we could change the rules

  • We could change the rules governing our simulation. It sucks that we're not in control of it

  • We're put here

  • I

  • Really? Like I really believe this stuff like I sit here like I look around at me and I'm like, I was put here I

  • Wasn't I didn't ask to be born?

  • and

  • It seems like I'm in somebody else's simulation

  • When I was a

  • When I was a 8 play this game a lot

  • Samara well SNES just go in my aunt's house. Like go to basement it. Please game

  • I probably put I put hundreds of hours into it right. I wanted I wanted to unlock all the all the secrets of the game

  • and one of nine

  • Go to Toys R Us ahead. Geoffrey bucks Toys R Us was still around. I bought a game. Genie

  • Remember this

  • So you could you put in the you unplug the Super?

  • Mario World cartridge you plug it into the top of the game. Genie game genie back into the Nintendo

  • and you

  • Could give yourself infinite lives

  • You could make it. So the enemies didn't affect you. You could always give yourself wing cap that you couldn't lose

  • It's nice

  • And this scene in a low consequence world

  • You know today's world if you think there's any real consequences think of what we could change now

  • I'm not sure. I want them, you know unplugging the cartridge running the universe. I don't know how the savestates work

  • I don't even know like how we'd ask God to put the game. Genie

  • What do we have to so what happened

  • Oh

  • He did a lot of weird stuff

  • moved a bunch of shells around

  • Moved a bunch of goombas jumped on a bunch of people did some weird stuff with Yoshi

  • What that was doing was setting up the memory of the meta computer

  • in such a way that after he triggers the final exploit the X across er jumps to his

  • Arbitrary coat. There are no pong and snake

  • minigames hidden in Super Mario World

  • Those were completely injected that is arbitrary code execution on the Super Mario World game

  • Um

  • Sethbling did a bunch of YouTube videos about this as well

  • That is a hex editor actually running inside of

  • SuperMario and that's the hex editor hex editing itself

  • So if you're Mary

  • Now you might think okay. Well, what does it mean to be Muriel

  • Assume that Mario is an intelligent agent

  • assume that Mario is the kind of agent that

  • Can thinker and what what kind of their if you guys have seen like GPT two and stuff?

  • We have agents that are capable of like

  • thinking and

  • Maybe they do start to think about how to get out

  • Mario could do Mario's science

  • Can figure out when he put shells in weird places that weird things happen

  • We kind of seeing like things like this in our universe. We just call them physics

  • Maybe there's weird quirks

  • maybe we could actually get in some like like if you're exploiting a system if you're exploiting like a computer a

  • Lot of the things you'll do are at best gonna like crash the computer

  • Maybe that's equivalent. Like, you know, you get like a black hole, right?

  • That's when the universe is just like I'm not simulating this but what if you could like put it in weird States, right?

  • This is the question. Where do we

  • start to get at

  • You know the states and the the take away is is

  • That it's possible to take actions here that affect the upper world

  • um

  • It kind of has to be there is no way

  • In a simulation that we built to have state represented only in that world

  • I mean the state has to be represented in this world as well

  • so for us

  • When we do things here, we have to be affecting things in the upper world

  • When we move when I move

  • Whenever is tracking me

  • Has to change some physical state in the upper world

  • So it's possible to take an action?

  • just need to figure out kind of what the action space is how we can get at explaining it, but I want you to

  • Its about imagination. Oh, you don't imagine really doing this

  • Being in basement sitting at a computer

  • and typing some stuff in

  • Starting to see exploits starting to see places where this universe breaks down

  • We're in a video again

  • People out there

  • I heard another thing when another one of these let's debunk relating kind of things

  • That your soul weighs 21 grams. I'm got showed this

  • Weight a body and waited for the body to die and show that it lost 21 grams of weight

  • This is obviously absurd

  • This wouldn't even make sense. Even if you believed a religious view of souls

  • but

  • To give information based arguments for why we can't

  • No afterlife, they don't really hold off because it's out-of-band

  • Um, it's

  • Imagine you have a

  • kernel

  • And it's running a bunch of user space processes

  • Where a user space process in the simulator computer the kernel can access any of our memory

  • without us knowing in fact, they can pause the simulation whenever they want without us knowing as well if the simulation follows some kind of

  • rules

  • So, you know

  • There's no reason that anything would have to be physically detectable in this world

  • For even like an afterlife of souls to be real. Oh

  • Look at this guy. The soul wasn't addressing Ram

  • The next part of the talk, what are you doing with your life?

  • Like really if you start to believe this stuff a lot of people

  • Okay, there's a lot of people out there who do nothing

  • As far as I can tell like I really I don't know what they're doing what they're trying to accomplish

  • And then you have like okay a bunch of people who are like we are going to acquire our power

  • Many shapes and forms in today's world. It's much better to go these very

  • Circuitous routes to acquire power, you know, you can't just stand up in front of an audience and say I want to acquire power

  • It's frowned upon in today's world. Um, I told you it's offensive. So this talks offensive

  • But a lot of these people they stop at power over people

  • People who want to go into politics people who want to be CEOs what they're looking for is power over people

  • Even people who want to make a lot of money what fundamentally does money buy you

  • There's a great

  • Sci-fi book set in the prime intellect universe that goes into the root of all money is really human suffering

  • I'm not sure that's exactly true. But I mean kind of money just really buys you power over people

  • but if you don't

  • Care I want power over nature

  • Fundamental we're all running if nature is the computer that's running us. We're all running on nature

  • So I started a company a few years ago, khamenei I um

  • I'm about to have a lot of money

  • Ah this kind of only one thing worth doing

  • Like Here I am right I'm stuck in this little world I get that

  • So, I don't know

  • I really I wonder I wonder from like brain science perspective

  • If these are the same kind of thoughts that people who and today it's a really bad rap

  • But the kind of people who were religious

  • Previously thought about I wonder if these are the similar sort of thought patterns. I'm always asking the question how much of

  • these views are due to

  • my

  • of the word personal bias is so taken to me in something else today, but I mean it like the rationality stance like like my

  • Bias has encoded in my human architecture

  • right

  • Through the great book elephant in the brain by Robin Hanson. You guys want to read more about that stuff, but

  • There's an Eminem quote

  • The cells padded and battered like someone else had it before me and they just kept throwing they fucking selves at it

  • so I feel

  • That's how I feel in this world

  • Like what else are we doing? We all run around in the little simulator and

  • Uh, I'm thinking about starting a church I

  • Mean see that. Okay. I started a company right you think about that

  • There's a lot of almost structural problems with companies. I'm one of the biggest is there's no real way to win

  • you think about two people playing chess and

  • No matter who wins the chess game the board gets put away and everybody can walk away with more respect for the game

  • With companies isn't really true kind of there's only a way to loose

  • Oh you win with your acquisition? Not really. You just passed the board off to somebody else

  • So I feel like churches might be much more aligned with these sort of goals

  • And the goal of the church would be to redirect society's efforts into getting out

  • So a quick aside

  • How does magic work

  • Not like the card game Billy think about like Harry Potter

  • Right, you you wave the wand and you say the right words and the right order and you control the physical world

  • We have something a lot like this today, it's just much less sexy magic has a certain sexiness to it, right?

  • um

  • you always think I remember I remember the first readin like Harry Potter and you think man if I was in this world

  • I would study so hard. I would try so hard to be so good at magic

  • And you really think that really is something like magic right here

  • is programming

  • Um

  • When I was 15

  • I read eliezer yudkowsky early writings on like ca eyes and stuff

  • And you realized it right now with the amount of compute power available in the world if you typed the right stuff

  • You could like take over the world. I think we're well past the point where like the right floppy disks worth of information

  • will get you

  • Everything on how many people play paperclip simulator and got to the hypno drones, right? I

  • Mean, it's it's this

  • We're at the point. I don't know how close you guys think the singularity is to me. It seems very close

  • but now like what do we do if we if we go through the singularity and we still have the same sort of

  • motivations that we have right now

  • Namely power over people the world's going to be horrific

  • Um

  • Maybe if we go through the singularity with the right goal goals that are actually more in line with our newly acquired powers

  • like power of a nature

  • So I think about like what does it mean to start a church today?

  • I think about like buying a nice like a state compound somewhere

  • I'm like starting to really work on it

  • Trying to get the right people together

  • and starting to say

  • What does it mean to get out? Um?

  • No, I mean no quackery

  • No, no, no, no crap everything. You say better be like rationally justifiable a big fan of rationality a

  • big fan of

  • Empirical and everything you say like a lot of this stuff

  • You you can reject something if something is not falsifiable, right

  • Like sometimes people will get caught up in arguments that that argument just isn't it's not even wrong

  • There's no experiment that could show one side or the other but I don't think this stuff falls under that. I think there are

  • experiments we can do

  • That will start to probe at the nature of what the computer running the simulation is. We've done some if you remember the

  • How much quantum physics do I really know? Um, but like the bell in equality

  • And they built they built a machine

  • To actually verify the Bell inequality and that there really is no local hidden state they built a machine

  • in a basement in a state compound somewhere probably in an academic lab before the universities went the way they did but

  • Yeah, I don't know it's an idea I'm thinking about it

  • Um, but it seems like I don't know what's nice seems like it's worth doing

  • Daniel MA

  • Like that so, let's see

  • Um, I'm almost 30

  • Like this is from ERISA Nations, Tricia

  • A lot of things are attrition. I'm gonna buy a house who's gonna dust the furniture

  • All right, like it's all these little things that just ship away

  • And on a biological level biology is chipping away as at me as well

  • There

  • it's just the wear and decay and

  • there's a

  • This isn't just happening to me. This isn't just happening to my house. This is happening to the entire universe and it's called entropy

  • So if you guys studied this was high school chemistry

  • Energy can't be created or destroyed

  • It seems like also that there's a finite amount of energy in the universe

  • But this isn't true about entropy entropy

  • Is a measure of almost useful energy and the amount of entropy in a closed system only goes up

  • So

  • everything that we do

  • The rough maybe people talk about it in terms of like order and disorder every time you want to create order somewhere you're creating immense

  • disorder somewhere else

  • You're actually creating more disorder than you are creating order entropy goes up on some physicists talk about entropy in terms of this is time

  • This is what we experience as time

  • entropy increasing

  • Um, I don't know if you guys have looked but I think this is even on controversial you guys all do live in the universe

  • So this is our history and fairly non-controversial history

  • The point where like life on Earth begins

  • Maybe we're a little bit after that Big Bang and then everything kind of swirled around and came together. Um

  • Have you guys looked at the projections of what happens next?

  • So here we are

  • A present day. Um everyone knows the sun's gonna burn out

  • Joke about it

  • But oh don't worry humanity will be an interplanetary species by then we'll just get on the spaceship and we'll go to the next planet

  • Well got some bad news for you that Suns gonna burn out too. Oh, well, we'll go to a galaxy that's full of young stars

  • Well eventually that seems to run out too

  • When people talk about living forever, I really I don't know how serious they are but

  • If entropy keeps going up the universe eventually becomes cold and dark to the point that you can't even form atoms anymore all

  • The protons and electrons are just kind of floating around and to put them together into atoms would require too much useful work

  • To actually do that

  • So I'm not obviously the first person to think about this. There's a great story about a zag Asimov called the last question. I

  • Don't feel a Brent it's a short story if you haven't really go read it. It's really great. Um

  • Tell you what that what the last question is in the last question is how can the amount of entropy in the universe be decreased?

  • If we don't answer this question we're dead

  • On a long enough time span we're dead

  • so

  • I mean again, this might just be like moving to another galaxy, but it might be better than that because we think the universe

  • We think the universe all obeys the same physical laws

  • We think entropy this this stuff is true about our universe

  • But it doesn't say anything about the meta universe so we have to go up

  • Yeah, I'll post updates on my Instagram you guys are interested I'll take questions

  • Yeah, yeah, I don't know so we're talk

  • Um do it do it. Do I actually believe it?

  • Some days. Yes

  • it's easy to get caught up in a lot of

  • Really?

  • Worldly stuff

  • By

  • At the end of the day when I'm lying alone in bed, this is the kind of stuff I think about

  • Right. A lot of people go through life with a lot of distractions people find things to distract me

  • This is frustrating for me inter actually some people who do this

  • not everybody's like this but

  • when you really

  • Let go of distractions you're left with

  • The the big questions and I had I had arrogantly accepted

  • Atheism

  • mmm for a large part of my life because I was raised that way just like any other religious person but

  • You start to realize that it really may not be true

  • And if this stuff is true, what can I do right now?

  • To live a better life in hopes of getting into heaven

  • All right, so we got the questions on here

  • All right, you guys see this

  • Terrible if someone wants to submit good questions, the first one is what's next on your list to jailbreak guys that's played out

  • played out

  • I'm not giving a real answer to that. This is just like

  • Great. I mean this it's like a training ground, right?

  • It's like it's like, you know, you beat the first level of World of Warcraft and you're you're like, oh well

  • What's the next monster? This is why I stopped playing World of Warcraft

  • Right like you just it's the same thing over and over again

  • That's all it is with that stuff - you're breaking what like humans made?

  • Well good the oh, oh the self-driving car ones still there, I would not answer any questions about that

  • Will nature allow us to hack it without similar consequences

  • Well

  • I don't know

  • And I guess it does come down to a question of if you accept you're going to die, how do you want to die

  • Cowering in a hospital bed or do you want to fight one of the last

  • Frontiers you can actually fight on they're not sending me to the Mongolian steppe to go battle Genghis Khan and his armies

  • That was maybe what people did

  • 800 years ago I

  • Would die for this I would die fighting against this I would die if I got to see right at the end

  • Like who the final bosses I'm down

  • That's I mean I'd like to win but just just getting there

  • But I think give a lot more meaning to my life than anything else I would do

  • What's your thoughts on free will it's not real

  • If somebody tomorrow told me I didn't have free will would I live life any differently no because I don't have free will oh I

  • Don't know I mean actually I think it seemed gonna be worse than this

  • I think we're going to very soon start to build models predictive models of people that are so accurate and

  • Then nobody will accept the existence of free will anymore

  • I'm sorry people who thought this really upset some people

  • I mean, um, you know, yeah like

  • You know what if sets like a six-year-old when they find out they're gonna die, right?

  • I mean maybe we have another stage of growing up to do where we all kind of have to accept as a species that like

  • I mean, we're computation

  • A lot. What about 20 pay two flops? It's pretty decent

  • Ten years ago there was only like ten humans worth of compute on the whole internet today

  • I'm about one rack of TP use and Google's data centers

  • I think we're kind of gonna have to accept that question

  • 2030 million years that you can even imagine this and that's just not kind of weird. Yeah

  • I was curious if you had any examples or of

  • People hacking like yourself or anybody else finding away

  • Oh, has anyone found her the exploits yet?

  • So

  • there's an interesting exploit and I think it also gets to the

  • Real-life equivalents of Mary are using Yoshi if we can bring up that question

  • There's a next play called row hammer

  • so if you take DRAM, um

  • and this is a real exploit that's actually been used in practice and

  • You have like memory that you want to alter like the target memory and then the memory, that's nearby

  • If you constantly do cache flushes on that memory you heat up the DRAM such that the neighboring bits in the neighboring row

  • occasionally flip

  • And this attack goes crazy off the physical stack, right?

  • so maybe things like that are possible here to I think maybe the closest things we've built today are things like super colliders or

  • The thing that measures the the EPR paradox

  • Right, like even building a good quantum computer. I mean if we build a good quantum computer, right?

  • So there's some quantum mean it depends whether you think B is equal to P

  • P is equal to B Q P if quantum computers can solve problems that are not solvable in polynomial time, but

  • In practice this may not matter that much because quantum states usually collapse really fast

  • If we build a quantum computer and start asking it to do real computes

  • The guy running the simulators AWS budget might skyrocket, and he might turn us off. So watch out for quantum computers

  • What role does psychedelics play in breaking out of the simulation

  • none

  • none

  • You want to take you want to take drugs there the problem with that kind of stuff is like you're changing you

  • You're not changing the external world. I'm not saying psychedelics are terrible

  • But what I am saying is they play no role the guy who takes DMT and sees little people has not

  • See outside the simulation. He saw some weird little people inside his own head

  • We fix this world are we going to actually ever is trying to use this?

  • Ting that a question there, like what was the purpose of them creating the simulator?

  • Oh, there's another good Rick and Morty episode that goes into this about the car battery

  • And yeah, maybe we shouldn't mess with it too much if we do become too good

  • I mean if we're no longer useful to them we better jailbreak

  • I mean like how many people are still playing Super Mario World, right?

  • Mario had his chance to get out when people were playing that game. A lot of people put SNES is up in storage, right?

  • So we're maybe there's a ticking clock for this. But um, yeah. Well, we no longer be useful to the great simulators. I

  • Don't really think they're watching us right now

  • I think it's more of uh, if anything maybe they don't even see exactly what we are

  • They might not notice it until the AWS bill gets hot

  • I led to the the what's your goal? Why are you standing here before us?

  • Look

  • alright, alright, I

  • know a lot of people here are trying to like push their brand or

  • Like promote some idea or get you to like the whole world is practically monetized like this today

  • I don't know. I think that's kind of a almost a sad way of thinking

  • What's my goal? I don't know just to talk about this stuff to get a better idea of like

  • Sometimes I don't really know how I feel about something till I say it out loud

  • And kind of for entertainment. What's the point of art?

  • I believe on these

  • Possibility and actually, I think Nick Bostrom has picked up this

  • situation very well and

  • That led me to think something and any

  • Programmer doesn't want his program to be hackable. Right? So any smart civilization whatever it is

  • That created us

  • maybe has some

  • Key elements to avoid to be hacker. So

  • do you really believe that we're gonna reach that point when we can affect the upper world or

  • We're gonna go the other way and create our own and have everything in our hands. Yeah

  • I'm so I think about this

  • As well it is possible that there are no exploits

  • Now remember that the people who may marry a world did not design that exploit in

  • That was just a fluke of the game programming. They were pretty good programmers at the time

  • But it is possible that there are no exploits in which case what do we do?

  • I think that probably is kind of the right answer

  • We're in kind of we are under a terrible tyrannical rule

  • you know people humans love to to cover up the ugly truths with structures like

  • Governments and corporations and committees, but the truth is we really are being ruled by an absolute tyrant named nature

  • Nature does not allow us to do certain things and these are not like government laws which you can break and get away with

  • You can't break nature's laws

  • absolutely tyrannical

  • So is it a better alternative in the future for us to create worlds and go in them unquote that as well, I'd rather

  • I think maybe if I ordered how I'd like my life to end up there would be better but

  • Down there in a nice universe where I can slow down time for as long as I possibly want and learn everything about that Univ

  • This universe and the absolutely confident. There's no exploits. I think I'm cool with dying there as well

  • My name's Peters Ingram from transhumanism, Australia

  • I just want to get your thoughts on transhumanism and whether you want to do a collaboration on your church of

  • getting out

  • Well, I'm not sure really what transhumanism or collaboration means but what is what do you mean by transhumanism?

  • You

  • You

  • Well, follow me on Instagram I'll let you know if I actually do start the church

  • and yeah with respect to yeah, I think at one point I would have put my

  • political affiliation as transhumanist

  • Yeah, I'm a I'm a fan yeah

  • But ya know I want to uh,

  • Yeah, I want to know what it feels like to be like way smarter. I think that'd be cool

  • you

  • Let's go to here

  • So yeah

  • the what are the real-life equivalents I gave the the row hammer example row hammer is an example of

  • Obviously things that we created

  • So to give a more real-life equivalent, there's a lot of weird stuff that happens around black holes

  • As far as I know and I'm not physicists. We still have not unified

  • Quantum physics with relativity when it comes to things like black holes, so we are missing

  • something in our

  • Maybe we can view physics as the as the specification for the simulator not the code itself, but the specification

  • Um, we're still missing something from our reverse-engineered specification. So that's what you can almost feel like scientist

  • Umm, but yeah, so where are these things?

  • Like the thing about this stuff and the reason it's not quackery. It would be quackery if I was going to tell you

  • Yeah, you can like, you know walk down to this ashram in this hidden part of India

  • But it's not like that. It's like well, it's actually where the boundaries of modern science are

  • So I don't

  • I don't exactly know but I think I know the direction to law and that kind of continues on a

  • Quest that humanity's been on since the alignment

  • Where did you get your skills the Internet?

  • This is hard to say that

  • My question was if we were to extend the analogy of

  • The simulation being run by code my programmer. Do you have any thoughts on?

  • Essentially, what would you conceptualize as the compiler?

  • Yeah, I mean

  • I can see kind of where our programming languages are going when you get to very high level programming languages like

  • Macaque and Isabel. There are languages where you just write the specification and then the code can't be wrong

  • um

  • so I would imagine that we're written in one of these sort of high level languages and

  • The exploit is going to have to be exceedingly clever a much more clever than what we saw with. Mariya

  • So yeah

  • My guess is the compiler is I think modern compilers are gonna start looking more and more like search algorithms instead of a one-to-one translation

  • You're given a specification and there's millions of possible actual implementations of that in the compiler can search across them

  • this is an interest of mine as well, but

  • Yeah, so I would imagine it looks something like it was found by a big search algorithm

  • Ah

  • We're just a more evolved form of robots that feel like have self-consciousness and also live in the video game I

  • Don't know. I'm not really sure what that means. We are a more evolved form of robots

  • So our friend in Skyrim is a NBC like you said the difference between a PC and NBC

  • Is that the PC knows in a video game?

  • however, the PC is always controlled by someone above that level of simulation if

  • We are trying to become from an MVC to a PC in our simulation

  • Why are we so lucky to be the first ones in a simulation to be able to come a playable character?

  • Okay, so I'll start with the reason that

  • We think of the player-character as sitting behind a keyboard and looking at a monitor. This is a technological limitation

  • Everybody would love to go play games on the holodeck

  • So, yeah, I mean we be like why our video games don't look like this

  • I'm really excited. If anybody has a serious play to do this. I'd love to invest in your company

  • But the

  • Yeah, like you don't usually think of NPC characters becoming aware. Um, I think that

  • One hypothesis I might have for that is we've reached a certain critical level of intelligence where we are self-reflective

  • now I'm you know, I don't like

  • The kind of wishy-washy us around this. I don't like but

  • If you accept the kind of Turing computation is the church-turing. Thesis is true

  • Maybe even true across all the universes right a quick quick aside

  • It's very easy to imagine a universe with different physics, but it's very hard to imagine a universe with different math

  • Um, this is like the tegmark 310 mark for kind of stuff

  • so

  • If we accept that then we've reached a certain level of almost self reflection that appears to not depend on the particular

  • level on which were in and

  • None of the things that we are simulating have reached that level yet

  • so it may be possible if we put the right AI algorithms in Skyrim for

  • One of these NPCs to actually start to become aware that they are in Skyrim and you don't want to get out

  • Right. This is actually think about that. I mean that's really possible, right?

  • Imagine people think about like AI is getting out of the box, right imagine

  • We made the Skyrim a are really powerful

  • It actually could figure out a way to exploit the Skyrim software go on the internet

  • Infiltrate the Department of Defense right go along whoever you want, right?

  • If this is a simulation while you're capable of telling us it's a simulation same ideal, right

  • It's the same idea that we've reached some kind of critical if you accept that math is the same across the multiverse

  • then what I'm saying descends from yeah, likedel and Turing and there is a a

  • universality

  • That is here so you can make arguments for it

  • Get into a lot of fancy statistics about whether that simulation hypothesis argument actually holds up

  • But it's all about how you're sampling and I could go into that some other time

  • What's so bad about being in a simulation? I don't control it

  • Well, we don't control it right piano the Alpha Stormcloak you're killed whenever the player character feels like

  • I'm

  • Thinking about this whole idea. I just

  • Automatically remember the movie The Truman Show. Yeah and

  • The moment when he realized that he was in a simulation basically changed the whole game. So I'm not a program

  • So I only understood half of what you said

  • If there is someone like in a Truman Show who is controlling what we're doing here

  • Maybe it is not technically necessary to only control it like the upper world technically. Haha, but

  • Intentionally, yes. Oh you see this?

  • so two points one the Truman Show everybody else in the Truman Show, uh

  • Were actors who were in on it, right? I'm assuming that all of you are not in on it. You might be

  • But I'm good, I'm gonna I don't think that you are

  • But now does this flip some switch up in the simulators, right they see me trying to get out

  • Well, I think it's kind of like people talking about trying to overthrow the government

  • Our government lets people talk about trying to overthrow the government all they want if they actually got close to doing it

  • Ooh, that's a whole different story. So I bet they just don't really see me as a threat if they're paying attention at all

  • So if we could break out of this universe assuming we could yeah some point in the future

  • And we're gonna be in some other place

  • who's to say that that's

  • All the way down huh, I think so. Yeah, that sounds like a problem for my my children

  • Is there another level above that simulation yeah, I would say so um

  • But I mean this first one does seem nice at least we could see like who created us and where we came from

  • And where they came from maybe more of a quest for them to go on

  • Who knows and you you start living in that simulation too long? Yeah, maybe you do start asking the same questions

  • And I don't think I would be shocked to think that they were the final one, but it is possible

  • Like I said, it's very unlikely that they have different math, but it's very possible

  • They have different physics and maybe they're not bound by entropy

  • Um, so maybe I can live forever up there and then ask that question later

  • Ah

  • Would Super Mario need to jailbreak to levels to have a physical representation in our world?

  • Well, so let's think about this if you're in the Super Nintendo

  • It's a little bit unfortunate that super Nintendos are not internet connected, but you could imagine it connected to a brand new Samsung Smart TV

  • So Mario could get into the SNES and then maybe could send some weird RCA signal using the SNES as graphics hardware

  • up to the Smart TV which then runs in that processor which then is connected to the Internet and I think

  • Hopefully we all accept today that a super intelligence you would assume

  • it's kind of a super intelligence - right like I mean I got actually I guess maybe you wouldn't I

  • Mean if humans can figure out how to jailbreak from Super Mario, I guess you wouldn't even need a super intelligent Mario

  • But Mario is then on the internet and on a level playing field with humans

  • So I think yes, but I think Mario in SNES

  • But not Mario on the Nintendo switch the Nintendo switch Mario would just need to go directly to the switch hardware

  • Which is on your home Wi-Fi, which can then establish a presence in AWS or some cloud?

  • Have you tried meditation that's one way to hack nature and your brain

  • I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the psychedelic people

  • You're not hacking nature. You may be hacking your brain, but you have to be very careful with things that hack your brain

  • Your brain also contains your reward function

  • so to

  • Start to mess with that is very dangerous. Um

  • Yeah, like find objective external

  • Metrics. All right, so I have 10 seconds left. I won't be able to do any more questions

  • But I hope you guys enjoyed this bit experimental looks like art or something

  • Cool, thank you

Hi everybody

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