Name: うつ病の人へのアドバイス（Jordan Peterson - Advice For People With Depression）
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The first thing I would say, is that if you're dealing with someone who's depressed, and they're really depressed,

you should try it giving them antidepressants.

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Because if they die, you can't help them.

Okay, so if you're suffering, you are obligated, in a sense,

to hold on to whatever rope someone throws you.

And one of the things, I do with my clients all the time, especially if they're really in trouble, is to tell them:

"Look, I don't know exactly what's gonna ha- help you.

But don't arbitrarily throw out any possibilities, because you might not have that luxury."

Antidepressants helped a lot of people, and there are technical reasons why that's the case.

That's a simple answer, it's not relevant to what I already described.

Except that, if you're offered a gift by your society and it works,

try it. I don't care, what your presuppositions are.

Lots of the time you see people, who are suffering. With depression, for example.

There's a multitude of reasons, but I'll take one common reason.

You can think about it, as associated with the story of Peter Pan.

A Peter Pan is someone who won't grow up, right?

Now, the problem with Peter Pan is, he gets to be king. But it's king of Neverland, Neverland doesn't exist.

So, being king of nothing isn't that helpful.

Well, one of the things that you often see with people who suffer from depression,

(and I'm not making a blanket statement about the cause of depression, because there's lots of them),

is that people, who don't have enough order in their life, tend to get overwhelmed.

So for example, if someone comes into me to see me, and they say they're depressed,

I always ask them a very standard set of questions.

If you don't have a job, you're really in trouble in our society.

First of all, your biological rhythms tend to go off the rails right away,

because there's no reason to go to bed at any particular time, and there's no reason to get up.

And for many people, if they don't get up at the same time,

they follow up the functioning of their circadian rhythms, and that's enough to make them depressed right off the bat.

Especially if they start napping during the afternoon.

They don't also don't have a purpose. People aren't good without a purpose.

And this isn't... this isn't hypothesizing.

We absolutely understand the circuitry, that underlies positive emotion.

We know how it works. Almost all the positive emotion, that any of you are likely to experience in your life,

will not be a consequence of attaining things.

It will be a consequence of seeing, that things are working, as you proceed towards a goal you value.

That's completely different! And you need to know this,

because people are often stunned! For example, they finish their PhD thesis,

and their presupposition is, that they're going to be elated for a month,

and often instead, they're actually depressed, and they think:

"What the hell, I've been working on this for 7 years, and I handed it in, and what do I do now?"

And that's what depresses them, right? It's the "what do I do now".

Well they're fine, if they enjoy the pursuing the thing,

as long as it was working out, they get a lot of enthusiasm and excitement out of that,

cause that's how our nervous systems work.

Most of your positive emotion is goal pursuit emotion.

If you take drugs, like cocaine or amphetamine, the reason they're enjoyable

is because they turn on the systems that help you pursue goals.

So if you don't have a job, you got no structure.

That's not good. Plus, you tend not to have a point.

So you're overwhelmed by chaotic lack of structure, and you don't have any positive emotion.

So, sometimes you see people who are depressed: they have no job, they have no friends,

they have an additional health problem, and they have a drug and alcohol problem.

My experience has been: if you have three of those problems,

You're so deeply mired in chaos, that you can't get out,

because - you make progress on one front, and one of the other problems pulls you down.

So one of the things I tell people who are depressed, is like:

"Don't sacrifice your stability. Get a job.

Even if it's not the job you exactly want,  get a damn job. You need a job.

Find some friends. Get out in the dating circuit.

See, if you can establish an intimate relationship.

Put together some of the foundational items, that... that are like pillars, that your life rests on."

So that's one example with regards to depression.

Well the thing is, you don't just launch it on them, you know.

You- you've gotta negotiate with the person.

And you also got to teach them to negotiate with themselves, and this is something that's very useful to know.

You know, um, you can tyranize yourself into doing things, but I wouldn't recommend it.

What I would recommend instead, is that you ask yourself, what you're willing to do.

It's a really effective technique. It's like a meditative technique, so for example:

You can get up in the morning, and you can think:

"Well, you know, I'd like to have a good day today, so I'd like to go to bed tonight without feeling guilty,

because I, you know, didn't do some things I said I was gonna do,

and I, you know, I'd like to have kind of an interesting day.

So I gotta fulfill my responsibilities, and I wanna, you know, enjoy the day."

what would I have to do, in order for that to happen, that I WOULD do?"

And the probability, if you practice this for 3 or 4 days, is your brain will just tell you.

It'll say: "Well, you know, there's that piece of homework, that you haven't done for like three weeks,

You should knock that sucker off, cause it would only take you 10 minutes.

And you've been avoiding it and torturing yourself to death for, you know, like 72 hours straight.

And if you do that, here's a little interesting thing you can do,

and, you know, maybe this is a little obligation you should clean up, and..."

So, what you do in a situation like that, is you teach the person to negotiate with themself.

Say, well: let's figure out, what your aims are. You gotta have some aims, whatever they are.

And they might say: "Well I'm so depressed, I don't have any aims".

And then I say: "Well, pick the least objectionable of the aims,

and act it out for a while, and see what happens."

Because sometimes, your emotions... your emotional systems are so fouled up,

that you have to pretend... you have to act the thing out, before you can start to believe it.

I mean, people always assume, they have to believe and then act, but- but that's...

Sometimes that's true, and lots of times it isn't.

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