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  • PRESENTER: Welcome, everybody.

  • Today's author Google guest is Jeremy Rifkin.

  • The book is titled "Zero Marginal Cost Society:

  • The Internet of Things, the Collaborative Commons,

  • and the Eclipse of Capitalism."

  • Jeremy is the best-selling author

  • of 19 books on the impact of scientific and technological

  • changes.

  • His books have been translated into more than 35 languages,

  • and are used in hundreds of universities, corporations,

  • and government agencies around the world.

  • In 2001, Jeremy Rifkin published the New York Times bestseller,

  • "The Third Industrial Revolution."

  • Presented in this book, his vision

  • of a sustainable post-carbon economic era

  • has been endorsed by the European Union and the United

  • Nations, and embraced by world leaders-- including

  • chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany,

  • president Francois Hollande of France,

  • and premiere Li Keqiang of China.

  • Rifkin's other recent titles include

  • "The Empathic of Civilization: the Age of Excess,"

  • "The End of Work," "The European Dream," "The Biotech Century,"

  • and "The Hydrogen Economy."

  • Jeremy Rifkin has been an advisor to the European Union

  • for the past decade.

  • He also served as an advisor to President Nicolas Sarkozy

  • of France, chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany,

  • prime minister Jose Socrates of Portugal,

  • prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero of Spain,

  • and prime minister Janez Jansa of Slovania,

  • during their respective European Council presidencies.

  • Mr. Rifkin is the principal architect

  • of the European Union's Third Industrial Revolution Long-Term

  • Economic Sustainability plan to address the triple challenge

  • of the global economic crisis, energy security, and climate

  • change.

  • The Third Industrial Revolution was formally endorsed

  • by the European Parliament in 2007,

  • and is now being implemented by various agencies

  • within the European Commission, as well as in the 27 member

  • states.

  • Jeremy Rifkin is the president of the TIR Consulting Group,

  • comprised of many of the leading renewable energy

  • companies, electricity transmission

  • companies, construction companies, architectural firms,

  • IT and electronics companies, and transport and logistics

  • companies.

  • Mr. Rifkin is a senior lecturer all the Wharton School

  • executive education program at the University of Pennsylvania.

  • His monthly column on global issues

  • has appeared over many years in many

  • of the world's leading newspapers and magazines,

  • including the Los Angeles Times, The Guardian, Die Deutsch

  • Zeitung, and the Handelsblatts, Le Soir Arnaque, L'Espresso,

  • El Mundo, and El Pais in Spain, and many others.

  • Mr. Rifkin holds a degree in economics from the Wharton

  • School of the University of Pennsylvania,

  • and a degree in international affairs from the Fletcher

  • School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

  • After this somewhat long introduction,

  • but worth reading it, please welcome to Google, Mr. Jeremy

  • Rifkin.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: Good afternoon, everyone.

  • It's a pleasure to be with you here at Google this afternoon.

  • We're just beginning to glimpse the bare outlines

  • of a new economic system entering onto the world stage.

  • This is the first new economic system

  • to emerge since the advent of capitalism--

  • and its antagonist, socialism-- in the early 19th century.

  • It's a remarkable historical event.

  • It has long-term implications for every one

  • of us, our children, and our grandchildren.

  • This new economic system is the collaborative commons.

  • And what's triggering this shift to a new economic paradigm,

  • a collaborative commons economic system, is something called

  • zero marginal cost.

  • Now, zero marginal cost is something

  • you're very familiar with here at Google,

  • and certainly we are the business community--

  • not very well known in the public.

  • Marginal cost-- the cost of producing an additional unit

  • of a good and service after your fixed costs are covered.

  • Business people have always wanted to reduce marginal cost,

  • and they're always in search of doing that.

  • And here's why.

  • And I want to introduce to you a paradox.

  • There's really a paradox deeply embedded

  • in the heart of the capitalist system-- previously

  • undisclosed, really.

  • This paradox has been responsible

  • for the great success of capitalism

  • and the invisible hand of the marketplace.

  • The paradox is this invisible hand success

  • is now leading to its potential demise,

  • and the advent of a new successor

  • paradigm to replace it.

  • Let me explain.

  • Sellers in a capitalist market are always

  • attempting to find new technologies that

  • can increase their productivity, reduce their marginal cost

  • so they can put out cheaper products,

  • win over consumers in market share,

  • bring home profits for their investors.

  • Clear?

  • So business people have always welcomed the reduction

  • of marginal cost in the production and distribution

  • of goods and services.

  • It's just that the business community never

  • anticipated in their wildest imagination

  • the prospect of a technology revolution so extreme

  • in its productivity that it could reduce

  • those marginal costs to near zero across the value chain,

  • making goods and services essentially priceless, nearly

  • free, abundant, and beyond the market exchange economy.

  • That's beginning getting to happen.

  • The first inkling of this paradox, of course,

  • was Napster, back in 1999.

  • All of a sudden, millions of young people

  • that apparently had nothing else to do after school

  • but figure out new software in order to share music

  • and bypass providing royalties to the music industry.

  • Then this zero marginal cost phenomena

  • went on to invade the entire information goods industry.

  • Millions of consumers became prosumers.

  • And they began producing their own information goods-- videos

  • on YouTube, news blogs, e-books, and decimated

  • the newspaper and magazine publishing industry.

  • Newspapers went out of business.

  • Magazines went out of business.

  • And I'm in book publishing.

  • I can tell you that free e-books have decimated the book

  • publishing industry.

  • For a long time, industry watchers

  • said, well, this is fine.

  • We understand that more and more people are becoming prosumers.

  • And they're producing and sharing

  • their own audio, their own videos, their own text,

  • their news blogs.

  • They're working together and sharing information

  • on Wikipedia.

  • We understand that.

  • But we think that more and more free goods and services

  • provides the basis so that the premiums will allow people

  • to then go up to this-- the freemiums will allow people

  • to go up and have premiums.

  • In other words, if you're a musician,

  • you give away your music.

  • And then you hope that the long tail will set in,

  • and enough people will then decide to go from the freemium

  • to the premium, go to your concert,

  • and pay a lot of money.

  • Or the New Your Times will say, look,

  • we'll give out 20 articles a month free.

  • And we hope that the freemium will encourage a certain number

  • of people to subscribe to our new service, the premium.

  • It hasn't happened.

  • This was wishful thinking, or naive.

  • The more and more we are able, as prosumers,

  • to produce and share our own information goods,

  • the less likely we are to move from freemiums to premiums.

  • Because our attention span is limited,

  • and there are so much free goods that they really

  • don't push us into the premium category.

  • And the proof is in the pudding.

  • If you take a look at the newspaper industry, magazines,

  • book publishing, and the recording industry,

  • they've never come back from zero marginal cost.

  • Economists, however, have-- up until the moment

  • now-- our economists have thought,

  • well, we think there's a firewall here.

  • And that is, even though more and more information goods

  • are heading toward near zero marginal cost in virtual worlds

  • that they will not cross the firewall

  • into the physical world of brick and mortar goods and services.

  • No longer.

  • What's happening now is that the communication internet is now

  • expanding to an internet of things, a physical internet.

  • So what we're beginning to see is the communication internet

  • is just beginning in Europe, where I work,

  • to converge with an emerging energy internet

  • that we're laying across Europe, and a nascent automated

  • logistics and transport internet.

  • The internet of things is an expansive internet

  • that allows us to go from the world of bits

  • to the world of atoms.

  • And when we have these three internets embedded

  • in one system-- a communication internet that's

  • interacting continually with an energy internet

  • and a transport and logistics internet in one platform--

  • this internet of things allows us

  • to begin moving near zero marginal cost from information

  • goods to physical goods.

  • The internet of things, three interoperable internets,

  • then connect out with sensors across

  • the entire economic value chain.

  • Even though this internet of things

  • is just in its early stages, we have 14 billion sensors now

  • connecting resource flows.

  • We have sensors connecting warehouses, distribution

  • centers.

  • We have sensors along smart road systems.

  • We have sensors connecting the production lines on the factory

  • floor.

  • We have sensors connecting the new energy internet

  • so we know the price of electricity moment to moment.

  • We have sensors connecting offices and vehicles and homes

  • and appliances, continually feeding big data to these three

  • internets that operate as one platform--

  • the communication, internet, the fledgling energy

  • internet, the nascent automated transport and logistics

  • internet.

  • By 2020, IBM says we'll be at 30 billion sensors.

  • And a recent forecast study a few months ago

  • says that by 2030, we will have 100 trillion sensors connecting

  • everything with everyone in one global neural network.

  • When we move from the internet to the internet of things,

  • and we move from bits to atoms, we

  • began to see a completely new economic model

  • they can get us to near zero marginal cost in the production

  • and distribution of physical energy and physical products.

  • So a prosumer, and millions of prosumers-- and pretty soon,

  • billions of prosumers-- are going

  • to be able to go up on this expanded internet which

  • is already here.

  • And they'll be able to access the big data flowing back

  • from all the sensors to the three internets

  • operating in that general purpose technology platform.

  • And with the apps that companies like Google will provide

  • and others, they'll be able to use

  • that data with their own analytics

  • to create their own algorithms, because you can program it

  • right into the app.

  • You don't have to be a rocket scientist.

  • And then any one of millions of prosumers

  • will be able to increase their productivity,

  • dramatically reduce their marginal cost,

  • and produce, consume, and share their own physical energy

  • and manufactured goods with each other,

  • just like we now do with information goods.

  • While this is early on, the trajectory is already clear.

  • So if I had said to you in 1989, a year before the World Wide

  • Web went online, that 24 years later 40% of the human race,

  • equipped with a cheap cellphone, a raspberry computer,

  • could send their own audio, video, and text,

  • create their own entertainment, their own news,

  • their own knowledge-- any one of those 40% of the human race--

  • and then share it with each other at near zero

  • marginal cost on the World Wide Web,

  • what would you have said in 1989?

  • We did it in less than 20 years.

  • As we move to the expansive internet of things,

  • and from bits to atoms, what I'm suggesting to you here

  • at Google is we're going to be able, in the next 20 years,

  • to move to near zero marginal cost in the production

  • of energy and some manufactured goods.

  • Let me preface this.

  • The big wild card here is food and water and climate change.

  • Because if we can't address climate change

  • and we continue on this road, if we can't produce food

  • and don't have access to water in a reliable fashion,

  • everything I'm telling you is derailed.

  • Let me give you an example of how this new system is already

  • in place in Europe.

  • Let's take energy.

  • We now have millions and millions

  • of players, urban dwellers, small businesses,

  • large companies who are producing

  • their own solar and wind green electricity on site in Europe.

  • And that's at near zero marginal cost right now.

  • So it's not academic.

  • The technology for harvesting solar and wind

  • is still a little pricey, but the price

  • is on an evolutionary curve, just like computer chips.

  • We never expected in 1960 that computer chips

  • would be on an exponential curve.

  • And here's where I agree with Ray Kurzweil who

  • I know is now here with you at Google.

  • Send him my regards.

  • We did a lecture together a few years ago.

  • The pricing technology-- a solar watt

  • cost $60 to produce a solar watt in 1970.

  • It's $0.66 today, and it's going down.

  • We're in a 20-year exponential curve for solar and wind

  • technologies.

  • So we're going to see the price of these technologies

  • be as cheap as the price that we now

  • have for cellphones, mobile, et cetera in 20 years.

  • We see the curve.

  • Ray Kurzweil says that if we are doubling

  • on the exponential curve every two years,

  • eight more doublings, 16 years, we're in the solar age.

  • He may be little optimistic.

  • I'd say within 25 years we're there.

  • But here's the interesting thing.

  • The moment you put up a solar panel

  • on your building, or a wind turbine

  • on-site, even before you pay back

  • the fixed cost-- and that's usually three to eight years,

  • so it's not a long time.

  • Immediately though, your marginal costs

  • are near zero, because the sun off your roof is free.

  • The wind off the side of your building is free.

  • The geothermal heat coming up from under the ground is free.

  • Your garbage converted in a bioconverter

  • to energy in your kitchen, that's all free.

  • And in Germany, we've now seen this.

  • I've been advising the chancellor, some of you know,

  • and working with the German government

  • for a number of years, many years.

  • We're now at 25% green electricity in Germany

  • in seven years.

  • We're heading to 35% green electricity in four more years.

  • And you know who's producing it all?

  • We have a million buildings that have

  • been converted to micro power plants.

  • And millions of small players have joined together

  • in cooperatives-- small and medium-sized businesses,

  • homeowners.

  • They're generating the new electricity.

  • What about the big, huge, global electricity

  • companies out of Germany, EnBW, E.ON?

  • They're gone in less than seven years.

  • Remember what happened to the recording industry, what

  • happened to newspapers, what happened

  • to magazines and publishing?

  • This is happening to the huge global power

  • companies in Germany.

  • And they acknowledge it.

  • This last week, one of the directors of E.ON

  • said, we're out of it.

  • They're producing less than 7% of the new power,

  • and going down, down, down.

  • They can't scale it.

  • Because in the first and second industrial revolution,

  • we have to scale with vertically-integrated companies

  • that put everything under one roof

  • in order to get economies of scale.

  • The internet of things is designed to be distributed,

  • collaborative, peer-directed.

  • And it scales to lateral economies of scale.

  • Think of millions of young people

  • sharing music, wiping out the recording industry.

  • Or think of millions of people sharing knowledge on Wikipedia

  • and wiping out the Encyclopedia Britannica.

  • Now this is actually happening in Germany right now

  • with green electricity.

  • It's a disruptive revolution in the best sense of the term.

  • Then let's take 3D printed products.

  • We now have several hundred thousand hobbyists,

  • thousands of small and medium-sized startup companies

  • that are printing out their own 3D printed products.

  • And they're attaching their 3D printing operation,

  • at least in Europe, into this new internet of things,

  • this third Industrial Revolution.

  • So if you were a 3D printer, whether you're

  • in Senegal or Berlin, you go up on the internet.

  • You download your software.

  • It's all free.

  • Most of this software is free, open source.

  • Then you use for your feed stock recycled plastic.

  • They're now using recycled paper,

  • or even using sand and gravel and melting it down.

  • So you can get local feed stock at near zero marginal cost.

  • Then they're powering their 3D printing factory

  • with green energy from their energy internet

  • that's generated at near zero marginal cost.

  • Then they're marketing their products

  • on global websites like Etsy with very little advertising

  • cost.

  • You just pay a short fee, low marginal cost.

  • And then we're just beginning to put in the logistics internet.

  • So we have now electric vehicles.

  • And two or three years from now, all the six major auto

  • companies will have fuel cell vehicles

  • out-- trucks, cars, and buses, mass production.

  • You'll be able to power your vehicle to send your 3D printed

  • product to market with your own green electricity

  • from the energy internet, nearly free marginal cost.

  • And the electric vehicles in a few years from now

  • will be printed out.

  • The first printed vehicle now exists Canada, the URBI.

  • You've probably seen it.

  • It runs on solar.

  • It's pretty impressive.

  • And then you'll have GPS guidance.

  • And thanks to Google, we will have driverless vehicles

  • that can move across the system at will

  • near zero marginal cost.

  • This is a revolution.

  • The question becomes this.

  • If millions, then hundreds of millions of people

  • can begin to produce, consume, or share their own information

  • goods, energy, and a lot of their manufactured goods

  • at near zero marginal cost, making them nearly free

  • and beyond the exchange model of the capitalist market,

  • what kind of new economic system do we

  • have to envision here at Google, and other places,

  • to organize the world, the one that I'm laying out here?

  • Economists will usually say there's only two ways

  • to organize the economy-- either the government

  • or private enterprise, or some combination of both.

  • Capitalism, socialism, or in Europe,

  • a social market economy.

  • Our economists ignore a third institution,

  • which is responsible in our daily lives for a whole range

  • of goods and services you and I rely on.

  • And it's not market, and it's not government.

  • It's the social commons.

  • Part of it's the formalized not-for-profit sector.

  • But it's the social commons from cooperatives to credit unions.

  • And a huge part of the human race

  • is engaged in activities in the social commons.

  • And with cooperatives, you share.

  • And when people say, how do you make money

  • if you're not in a profit-making organization?

  • How do you make profit?

  • Wake up call-- there are hundreds of millions of people,

  • actually billions of people, who are parts of cooperatives.

  • The entire world electricity system, the US,

  • are world electric cooperatives.

  • And it's almost 50% of our transmission lines.

  • When you get food at the store, it's

  • coming from agricultural cooperatives.

  • Most people around the world live in housing cooperatives.

  • In Europe, banking cooperatives--

  • if you're from Europe, they're bigger

  • than the commercial banks.

  • And it goes on, and on, and on.

  • So the social commons is ignored by economists

  • because it doesn't create finance capital.

  • It creates social capital.

  • But it's a big revenue player.

  • In 40 countries surveyed, the social commons

  • is responsible for about $2.2 trillion in revenue,

  • and it's responsible for over 5% of the GDP in many countries,

  • including the US.

  • What's happening now is the social commons--

  • which is a venerable institution that we

  • rely on for educational institutions that

  • are nonprofit, health services, day care

  • centers for our children, assisted

  • living for the elderly, environmental organizations,

  • cultural sports, arts, it goes on and on.

  • If they were eliminated and we just had the marketplace,

  • we would not have much of a life on the planet.

  • What's making this social commons now more relevant

  • than anytime in the past is this internet of things.

  • Because the internet of things is a general purpose technology

  • platform that's designed to be the technological soul

  • mate of a social commons.

  • The whole design is to be distributed, collaborative,

  • scales laterally not vertically, and it rewards collaboration

  • across these lateral networks.

  • It creates a sharing community.

  • And of course, who understands this better than Google?

  • Because you helped us create a sharing community.

  • When we were kids, we always said, boy, it

  • would be nice if there was a magic box.

  • And all we have to do is click in, and all of a sudden,

  • within three seconds, the knowledge of the world.

  • You did it.

  • You did it by cueing into a communication internet that

  • allowed us to laterally scale.

  • But that's just the beginning of the story.

  • So what's happening now is this expansive

  • of internet of things allows millions and millions

  • and millions of consumers to be prosumers and join

  • with small and medium-sized enterprises

  • and connect directly, eliminate all the middle men

  • of vertically-integrated global companies.

  • It's the middle men in vertically-integrated global

  • corporations, the Fortune 1,000, that mark up their transaction

  • costs along the value chain in order to have the margins.

  • If you eliminate the middle man with laterally-scaled networks,

  • you eliminate all of those margins.

  • And you can directly engage each other.

  • But it creates a new system.

  • What I suspect we're seeing here is a hybrid system-- part

  • capitalist market, part collaborative commons.

  • The capitalist market is not going to disappear.

  • There will be many goods that are sophisticated and will

  • require a capitalist exchange economy.

  • And there'll be sufficient margins for profit and return.

  • But I do believe that by the time some of you

  • are my age, mid-century, most of our economic life

  • is going to be on the collaborative commons.

  • It's just too sweet to say no to.

  • There'll be attempts to stop it and thwart it and hold it up.

  • But when the technology's available,

  • people will get it one way or the other.

  • The recording industry was not able to stop

  • file sharing of music.

  • The newspaper and magazine industry and book publishing,

  • very powerful industries, they were not

  • able to stop lateral economies of scale.

  • So I think the capitalist market's

  • going to be a very powerful player here,

  • but probably a niche player in a more dominant collaborative

  • commons.

  • And it will be an aggregator of networks-- the Googles,

  • the Facebooks, the Twitters.

  • There'll be a lot of this aggregating of networks

  • to provide the technological base for the internet of things

  • expansion, because that's sophisticated software

  • and hardware.

  • That's where you find the edge in order

  • to have the capitalist market work together

  • with a collaborative commons.

  • In economics, we've always believed

  • that the most efficient economy is

  • where you sell at marginal cost.

  • We just never expected zero marginal cost.

  • I'll let you in on something.

  • This'll amuse you.

  • And Larry Summers, if you're hear this, my little thing

  • here with the folks at Google, this is pretty interesting.

  • Larry Summers was the president of Harvard University, past US

  • Secretary of the Treasury.

  • In 2001, after the bubble burst, the dot com,

  • the Federal Reserve of Kansas City held a special seminar.

  • They wanted to talk about the new data and information

  • industries that were emerging.

  • And Larry Summers-- and is it Bradford DeLong here

  • at the University of California?--

  • issued a paper to start the conversation.

  • They got what was happening.

  • They glimpsed the paradox.

  • And so Summers and DeLong said, we

  • have this new technology revolution

  • that's going to be as important as electricity--

  • data, information, and computing.

  • Now the problem we face, though, is marginal cost.

  • Because as this new technology comes on board,

  • we're heading to near zero marginal cost

  • in information goods.

  • But when you get to zero marginal cost,

  • we can't return investment and get profit.

  • So what do we do?

  • You know what he suggested?

  • He did say that we agree that the marginal cost is

  • the most efficient place in which to price your product.

  • But he said we can't do this anymore.

  • We're going to have to favor monopolies-- monopolies.

  • temporary monopolies-- to keep the marginal cost

  • above near zero cost so we can return profits

  • to the investors.

  • You all got this?

  • He said the competitive market-- that's private enterprise

  • capitalism-- does not work when you

  • get to near zero marginal cost.

  • And he said, we don't know what the replacement paradigm

  • will be.

  • The fact that the former Secretary

  • Treasurer and President of Harvard University

  • actually suggested there's a replacement

  • paradigm that the competitive market doesn't function

  • and we need monopoly is astounding.

  • But he thought he was talking to a small group of people

  • inside the Federal Reserve.

  • It's in my book in chapter one.

  • Yeah, it's amusing.

  • So I'm waiting to hear from him.

  • I did an opinion piece in The Guardian on this

  • about a week ago.

  • I haven't heard from him yet.

  • He may say silent on this.

  • But what's interesting is he understood the dilemma.

  • He and Bradford DeLong, they understood it.

  • But the dilemma is also an opportunity.

  • And there will be many companies like Google

  • who can find ways to aggregate networks

  • to allow this collaborative commons to flourish and find

  • some value in doing that.

  • Nowhere will the impact of near zero marginal cost

  • have a bigger reach then in labor employment.

  • This is what comes up every time I raise this.

  • We're heading to near zero marginal cost labor

  • with these new technologies-- with analytics, algorithms,

  • artificial intelligence, robotics,

  • pattern recognition technology.

  • Some of the older people remember-- well,

  • we talked about it at lunch-- you

  • read my book "The End of Work."

  • Well, I projected in 1995-- you don't look that old,

  • either-- 1995 that we would be moving to a workless world.

  • It was controversial at the time.

  • But I notice that now, in the last year,

  • this new spate of books coming out at least

  • acknowledged that that was right on target, that book.

  • We have workerless factories right now.

  • We have virtual retailing right now.

  • We have eliminated massive amounts

  • of blue collar, white collar, and service workers,

  • and we're just beginning to shift into an analytical world

  • that's basically supervised with advanced analytics

  • an robotics and AI.

  • We're now eliminating knowledge workers.

  • We don't need all the accountants,

  • the attorneys, the radiologists.

  • We can do it with the software.

  • So the question then becomes, in a world

  • where we're heading towards zero marginal cost labor, what

  • do people do throughout life, if they're no longer needed

  • in the marketplace?

  • In the mid-term, short to mid-term,

  • we have one silver lining.

  • There's going to be one last surge

  • of mass and professional wage labor in the next 30

  • years, one last surge.

  • That's to do the build out of the internet of things.

  • It takes labor intensivity to build out this infrastructure.

  • In Germany, when we got 10% green electricity,

  • we'd already created as many jobs--

  • 350,000 jobs-- as the entire rest of the energy

  • industry combined, only at 10%.

  • So we have to build out and change the whole energy system

  • from fossil fuels and nuclear to renewables.

  • We have to convert every building

  • in the world, existing and new ones, to your own power plant.

  • We have to insulate them, seal them up, get them efficient,

  • and put the technology on.

  • As I say in Germany, we've done a million buildings,

  • and lots of jobs.

  • We have to transform the entire electricity grid of the world

  • from servomechanical to a digital laterally-scaled

  • internet.

  • That's a huge amount of professional and semi-skilled

  • and skilled work to lay it down.

  • And we have to put in the automated logistics

  • and transport network, and change from internal combustion

  • engine transport to driverless fuel cell vehicles.

  • So in the next 30 to 40 years, we have to do the build out.

  • My global consulting team, TR Consulting,

  • has some of the major companies in the world involved--

  • logistics, IT, electronics.

  • We're actually working with entire countries and regions

  • in the world right now, and laying out

  • this internet of things Third Industrial Revolution.

  • It's not academic.

  • Where will the new jobs be?

  • Well, first of all, if millions and millions of people

  • are producing and sharing their own energy

  • in 3D printed products and information goods,

  • they're going to need less income at zero marginal cost.

  • They're still going to need employment.

  • If the marketplace doesn't need them,

  • because we can produce the energy and the products

  • in the marketplace with just high technology,

  • where will you get the employment?

  • In the social commons.

  • The social commons creates social capital, human beings

  • with the other human beings, creating

  • communities-- cultural, sports, arts, wellness, health,

  • quality of life.

  • Those are, the more important employments.

  • Making widgets is not as intellectually

  • challenging and motivating to the young mind

  • as it is trying to create a sense of human community,

  • a sense of transcendence and sense

  • of finding meaning in the world.

  • Between 2000 and 2010, the social commons grew by 42%

  • in revenue.

  • The GDP grew by 16% in revenue.

  • Did you catch that?

  • It's already happening.

  • And in the last 15 years, employment

  • in the social commons kept going up, up, up.

  • Employment in the marketplace kept going down, down, down.

  • And during the Great Recession, employment

  • in the social commons went up.

  • Employment in the marketplace went down.

  • When you survey high school kids,

  • it's interesting where they want to be-- the millennials, not

  • the X'ers.

  • Because the millennials have gone

  • through the Great Recession.

  • And this is kind of a different group now.

  • They asked 9,000 honor students, the best and brightest

  • high school students, last year, what kind of employment

  • do you want?

  • And they said, we don't care so much about the money.

  • We want meaningful jobs that challenge us.

  • And when they surveyed 200 companies or institutions

  • they could work for, many of them

  • chose those institutions that were in the social commons.

  • And do you know what the number one institution they all

  • chose to be employed in, 9,000 honor students?

  • It wasn't Google.

  • It wasn't General Motors.

  • It was St Jude's Hospital.

  • Isn't that interesting?

  • I wouldn't have even gotten that.

  • A hospital where you go in, you don't pay,

  • and you are provided for.

  • Interesting.

  • Now, economists will say, well, wait a minute.

  • Isn't this social commons a parasite?

  • It isn't a self-sufficient sector,

  • because it relies on government grants and private philanthropy

  • to maintain itself.

  • That's a myth.

  • The Johns Hopkins University survey of 40 countries

  • shows that 50% or more of the revenue

  • in the nonprofit social commons world

  • is fees for services rendered-- health care

  • centers, educational organizations,

  • environmental groups, et cetera.

  • Only 35% of the revenue comes from government entitlement,

  • and maybe 10%, 15% from philanthropy.

  • Well, on this scale, you'd have to then ask

  • about the marketplace.

  • Because 36% percent of all the GDP in the United States

  • goes from the government taxpayers to private enterprise

  • so that they can engage in building out things

  • that we need.

  • So is that parasitic?

  • We provide more for them than we do this sector.

  • So I think what we have here is a very interesting

  • dynamic unfolding.

  • It's going to raise very substantial questions about who

  • will control this internet of things.

  • Will it be open and transparent?

  • And let me say, Google has a very big responsibility here

  • to lead.

  • We are very worried about network neutrality.

  • And I know you are, as well.

  • You know, network neutrality was critical to the idea

  • of the World Wide Web.

  • And if we're having an internet of things

  • without network neutrality, it fails.

  • It will be enclosed, privatized, monopolized,

  • and we will not get to a near zero marginal cost

  • collaborative commons world.

  • In January, the US Court of Appeals-- the second highest

  • court in the country-- five to four, you can guess the vote.

  • They struck down network neutrality,

  • the central principle of the Federal Communication

  • Commission overseeing the internet.

  • Because they said this was not within their mandate.

  • So now the FCC has to go back and try

  • to recast this idea of network neutrality with new protocols.

  • But already, as you well know, the cable and telecom

  • companies are saying, wait a minute, we own the pipes.

  • We're getting tired of this.

  • We want to make sure that we get some return here.

  • So we feel we ought to be able to charge different prices.

  • And network neutrality means everyone's treated the same.

  • You get a service provider, you go up there.

  • No one's left behind.

  • No one's put at the back of the line.

  • No one's put at the front of the line.

  • But now the telecom and cable companies say,

  • we want to change that.

  • We want to provide different kinds of premium services.

  • So we can discriminate and decide who gets what,

  • and on what time schedule.

  • And we even would like to control some of the data.

  • It's going through our pipes.

  • So it's going to be essential that the internet companies

  • that have brought us this social commons

  • make sure that we keep an open network neutrality.

  • Now let me say one more thing that may step on a few toes

  • here.

  • I love Google.

  • I use Google every day.

  • I don't know what I'd do without Google as a research

  • tool for my office.

  • I love Facebook.

  • I love Twitter.

  • I use Amazon.

  • But we are now reaching a point now where

  • these institutions which have provided the social commons

  • are starting to look like global public utilities,

  • social utilities.

  • There's what, six billion queries on Google

  • a day, I think?

  • And I think you're about-- I think you're around 67%

  • of the research engine market in the US, and 90% in Europe.

  • $50 billion in revenue, you're doing well.

  • And then you take a look at Facebook,

  • one out of every six people on the planet

  • almost is on Facebook.

  • That's amazing.

  • And Twitter, you have 640 million people.

  • And on Amazon, one out of every three purchases

  • start on Amazon, including mine.

  • So we love these internet companies, because they've

  • allowed us to create, and began to facilitate

  • a collaborative commons.

  • But we're going to have to find some way as you mature

  • as global institutions that there's

  • the appropriate regulations both internally and externally

  • to make sure that we facilitate open, transparent sharing

  • on this collaborative commons.

  • And that's the responsibility of a younger generation and Google

  • to make that happen.

  • Then we can have the best of the new world.

  • Last thought.

  • I think is going to be a rough road.

  • I have to tell you that the real wild card here

  • s climate change and cyber terrorism.

  • The latter is more addressable than the former.

  • We can get to nearly free energy.

  • We're already there, nearly free goods and services.

  • But without food and water, we don't survive.

  • What's terrifying about climate change is it changes

  • the water cycle of the earth.

  • That's what this is all about.

  • It's not well-known in the public,

  • but for every 1 degree that the temperature goes up

  • on the planet from climate change

  • from industrial activity, the atmosphere

  • is absorbing 7% more precipitation from the ground.

  • The heat sucks up that precipitation

  • so you get more dramatic and concentrated precipitation,

  • and more violent water events, more violent winter snows,

  • more violent spring flooding, more prolonged summer droughts,

  • more category 3, 4, and 5 hurricanes, tsunamis,

  • and typhoons.

  • Sound familiar?

  • And here in California, drought, the breadbasket of the world.

  • And we don't know if we can even feed people and provide water

  • for people.

  • How do we repopulate millions of people

  • in the western part of the US in 30 years?

  • So climate change is the elephant in the room.

  • What's important to acknowledge here

  • is that the Third Industrial Revolution, this internet

  • of things, allows us to move quickly out of fossil fuels

  • and have millions of people begin to produce and share

  • their own green energy.

  • And this internet of things, because its entire purpose

  • is to increase efficiencies, to reduce marginal costs,

  • it means it shows us how to use less resources more effectively

  • so we don't put a big burden on the planet that we live in.

  • So we have young people here not only sharing information goods

  • and energy now, and 3D printed products.

  • We've got young people sharing cars.

  • The front page of the San Francisco paper

  • today is providing parking spaces

  • for car sharing services.

  • Young people don't want to own a car.

  • They just want to have access to mobility.

  • And for every car you share, we take 10 cars off the road.

  • And when we move to electric vehicles shared,

  • we move to clean energy.

  • And we have young people now sharing

  • their homes and apartments.

  • The big issue in San Francisco this week?

  • Airbnb.

  • And Airbnb's success is near zero marginal cost.

  • They have the web up.

  • That doesn't cost them anything after they put it up.

  • And how much does it cost somewhere

  • who owns an apartment or a home?

  • They've already covered their fixed cost.

  • They're paying their mortgage.

  • The marginal cost in renting out the room is near zero.

  • How do the hotel chains compete with that?

  • They have to put together a physical room.

  • That costs money.

  • But so we have car sharing and bike sharing.

  • And now we're sharing apartments and homes and clothes and tools

  • and toys.

  • So we have a generation that's beginning

  • to believe it's not about ownership.

  • It's access.

  • And if more people share what they have,

  • less has to be produced.

  • It does have a negative impact on GDP.

  • But it has a positive impact on quality of life,

  • and that's the way to measure a good economy.

  • Last thought.

  • It isn't just about technology.

  • Google is a tremendous place to be.

  • You've provided a lot of technology

  • that's really helped us create a better world.

  • It isn't just technology.

  • We need to change the human narrative.

  • We need a new story for the human race

  • to go with the technology coming out of technology places

  • like Google.

  • We have to move from geopolitics to biosphere consciousness

  • in one generation, or we're not going to make it.

  • I'm telling you, I'm almost 70.

  • Some of you in your 20s and 30s, I really

  • shudder at the possible world we are creating with climate

  • change, unless we reverse this quickly, really quickly.

  • What is the biosphere?

  • That's the sheath from the stratosphere to the ocean

  • depths, where-- 40 miles-- where all life interacts

  • with the chemicals of the planet to maintain

  • this Earth and life on it.

  • I'm guardedly hopeful, because we

  • have young 15-year-olds coming home from school,

  • and they actually have biosphere consciousness, a new thing.

  • They're asking their parents, why

  • do you use so much water when you're in the bathroom?

  • Why do you have the TV on?

  • We don't use it.

  • Why two cars?

  • Why not car share?

  • And here's the one I particularly

  • like-- why is that hamburger on my plate?

  • A lot of 14-year-old kids aren't eating.

  • They're on strike.

  • Did the hamburger come from a tropical rainforest

  • in Central America?

  • Did they have to destroy the tree canopy

  • for four inches of topsoil for my burger?

  • And the kids are smart enough to know that those trees are

  • the habitats for rare species that go extinct

  • when the tree canopy is knocked out.

  • And the kids also understand when the trees are knocked out

  • to graze the cow for the burger, the trees are no longer

  • absorbing CO2 from industrial climate change.

  • So the temperature of the planet goes up,

  • and some farmer, she can't feed her kids

  • because she has floods and droughts on her land.

  • They're learning ecological footprint.

  • It's a metric.

  • They're learning that everything we do intimately

  • impacts some other human, some other ecosystem,

  • some other species on this Earth.

  • So I'm guardedly hopeful.

  • We've got a young generation here

  • that's beginning to see we live in one

  • indivisible community, the biosphere.

  • And if we can facilitate the process

  • where the Googles of this world can help connect us

  • in a neural network so that we can dramatically increase

  • efficiencies, reduce our marginal cost,

  • and that means using less resources more effectively

  • and taking a less burden on the planet,

  • we may get to a better world by mid-century.

  • I don't know if we will.

  • You will be the judges on your watch.

  • So it's essential that Google, and the other companies

  • like Google, you need to help lead this

  • so we have a chance of rehealing the planet

  • and creating a future for our children.

  • Thank you.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • You want to do a few questions?

  • AUDIENCE: I'm not an economist.

  • But I thought I had a good understanding

  • of what zero marginal cost meant.

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: Near zero, it's near zero.

  • AUDIENCE: Near zero.

  • But at least-- so I have two questions on this.

  • With regards to energy, you kept talking about solar.

  • I have solar on my house.

  • It's not zero marginal cost.

  • I cannot produce more energy that I want without putting

  • on more panels, which has a cost.

  • But it's zero in the sense of I'm

  • not consuming things-- like with coal, right?

  • So I wasn't sure which of those two distinctions

  • you were talking about, and how you get to zero in that regard.

  • And then I didn't understand it at all in logistics,

  • because as far as I know, you still have to drive miles.

  • And that cost isn't really changing.

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: Let's talk about the solar panel

  • or the wind turbine or the geothermal heat pump.

  • You have to pay the fixed cost of the harvesting technology.

  • It probably is going to take you somewhere between three

  • and nine years to pay back on the solar panels.

  • But the moment that channel's up, you keep it clean,

  • the sun is free.

  • Coal is not free.

  • Natural gas, shale gas, uranium?

  • None of that's free.

  • But the sun is free.

  • You just capture it.

  • The wind is free.

  • You capture it.

  • The geothermal heat's free.

  • You capture it.

  • So in that sense, it's near zero.

  • But you're only advantaged if you're

  • in an energy internet that's part of an internet of things.

  • Because you may have a lull one day

  • where the sun isn't shining, and you

  • haven't stored that green electricity.

  • Or maybe the wind's blowing at night,

  • but you need electricity during the day.

  • So we have to create an energy internet that

  • crosses continents.

  • And that way, let's say in Eastern Europe, where it's

  • night time, they have a lot of wind?

  • The surplus goes up on the energy internet

  • to the places which are still daytime.

  • Or if you have a lot of sun somewhere in Europe,

  • in Western Europe, during the day,

  • you put the surplus up on the net and that energy,

  • and then it would take it to another part of Europe.

  • So these energies are intermittent.

  • And they change in different times of day

  • in different parts of a continent.

  • To the extent that we have an energy internet,

  • we can share our surpluses when other has lulls.

  • And we can-- if we store it correctly, hydrogen

  • and other storage technologies-- we can deal with peak loads,

  • base loads across continents.

  • That's we're attempting to do in Germany and in Europe

  • right now.

  • And I was just in China.

  • That was a big surprise to me with China,

  • because I didn't think they were going to be players.

  • "The Third Industrial Revolution," my former book,

  • was published there two years ago.

  • And the new premiere read it in English,

  • and instructed the government to now

  • move on a distributed energy internet

  • and to move toward an internet of things.

  • I was there in September with the leadership.

  • 10 weeks later-- 10 weeks later-- after my meetings

  • with government leadership, the Chinese government

  • announced an $80 billion four-year commitment

  • to move the distributed energy internet across China

  • so everyone could produce their own energy.

  • By contrast, the US is going to try to raise $3.5 billion

  • over 20 years for a centralized smart grid.

  • So I'm guardedly hopeful.

  • But I think that these are real challenges.

  • And for you, the challenge is your up-front cost.

  • So you can pay them off, and get to your marginal cost

  • being nearly free.

  • It's a challenge.

  • AUDIENCE: What about the logistics?

  • Can you explain that?

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: That's the newest one, that's the newest one.

  • And I deal with that in the book.

  • It's brand new, last 24 months.

  • We're dealing with now, in Nord Calais,

  • we're doing a master plan for the oldest industrial region

  • of France.

  • And they have Dunkirk, a port facility.

  • The logistics is the most inefficient part

  • of the value chain.

  • That's why it's costly.

  • You have freight across the country.

  • When you see a truck, sometimes it's only 20%, 30% full.

  • Or it's dead and heading back with no cargo.

  • It's not systematized.

  • It's not efficient.

  • What we're looking at now is a transport

  • and logistics automated internet.

  • And this would allow you to have everything modularized

  • so that you can move shipments to any distribution

  • center you want.

  • For example, there are 5,000 warehouse is in the US.

  • So what?

  • If you're a big company, vertically integrated,

  • you own maybe 20 of them.

  • So you have to send your stuff way out of the way,

  • hold it there, and then take it to the destination.

  • But what if all 5,000 warehouses, privately-owned,

  • came together in a cooperative?

  • So when they had space, it would be open to anybody.

  • You follow me?

  • Then with 5,000 distribution centers,

  • you could move to whichever one you wanted,

  • and save a huge amount of your transport time

  • moving it through the system with GPS guidance.

  • But you'd have to have all the containers modularized.

  • Everything would have to be on the same standards,

  • so you can move the package across that internet

  • like you move all the packages across the communication

  • internet.

  • And then if you can move to driverless vehicles and drones,

  • that's going to reduce your labor costs substantially.

  • So you'll get toward zero, but it'll still

  • be marginal cost, but fairly low compared

  • to the cost we have now.

  • It's exciting.

  • We're just beginning this discussion in the last 24

  • months.

  • We're laying down the first plan in northern France now.

  • So we're on a learning curve.

  • AUDIENCE: Hi.

  • I have two interrelated questions.

  • One is, you're mentioning Europe,

  • United States, and China.

  • How about other countries, maybe in the developing or emerging

  • nations, either because of the access to technology,

  • or because their economical situation?

  • And the second question would be,

  • how about the disparity between any given society between those

  • that have a lot and those that have little in the present?

  • Is it going to be different in the next economic system

  • that you envision?

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: In the business community,

  • we did not see cell phones coming to sub-Saharan Africa

  • and rural India.

  • We didn't.

  • It was never in the equation.

  • All of a sudden, without any marketing, millions of people

  • starting getting cell phones.

  • Then the cell towers came.

  • And what we realized there was the liability in the developing

  • world is actually their asset.

  • They have no infrastructure.

  • It's easier and quicker financially to build

  • from scratch then to mend an old infrastructure.

  • It's like a home.

  • My wife and I have a beautiful old home.

  • We spent 24 years trying to renovate this home.

  • It's a big entropic pit-- sorry, honey--

  • but it's an entropic pit.

  • Had we built a new house from scratch

  • in six months, much cheaper.

  • So the United Nations has embraced

  • the five-pillar, Third Industrial Revolution

  • plan we've laid out toward this internet of things.

  • Why?

  • They think the developing world can move quicker.

  • Now in rural India, in the last 24 months, and now

  • sub-Saharan Africa, young people your age, startup companies,

  • are all over the map in the rural areas.

  • And they're setting up little micro grids.

  • $2,000 for a village, you wire up the huts.

  • You put solar panels on.

  • You lease the panel.

  • When it's paid back, it's yours.

  • And a village, a small village of several hundred? $2,000.

  • So you can set up micro grids, and it works like Wi-Fi.

  • You start connecting these small players together,

  • and all of a sudden, you have a network.

  • Just like a Wi-Fi network, you have a near zero marginal cost

  • energy micro grid network, and you create from the bottom

  • out, not from the top down.

  • That's beginning to happen.

  • It's pretty encouraging.

  • As to the haves and have nots, let me say,

  • I taught the advanced management program

  • at Wharton for 16 years, our CEO program, nearly 16 years.

  • We all believed-- in the First and Second Industrial

  • Revolution, we had to vertically integrate

  • our business activity.

  • Every society needs three things in order

  • to organize itself as a society--

  • a form of communication, a form of power,

  • and a form of mobility.

  • When communication comes together with energy,

  • they create new systems.

  • For example, the 19th century, the communication,

  • we went to steam-powered printing-- cheap,

  • efficient, mass-produced printing-- and the telegraph.

  • That allowed us to manage a complex coal power

  • industrial revolution.

  • That was the power source.

  • And then we introduced the locomotive for the mobility

  • so we could bring dense urban areas together and create

  • national markets.

  • 20th century, Second Industrial Revolution,

  • the form of communication was centralized electricity,

  • the telephone, then radio and television,

  • to organize a power source-- oil--

  • and a new mobility factor called the internal combustion engine.

  • The Third Industrial Revolution, the communication

  • is the internet and the internet of things.

  • The power source is the energy internet

  • and renewables that are distributed energies.

  • And the mobility is an automated, driverless transport

  • and logistics system in one platform.

  • So I think the trend lines are there.

  • But what it allows us to do now is

  • eliminate vertically-integrated global companies

  • where-- they were essentially in the First and Second Industrial

  • Revolution, because they reduced marginal cost.

  • They eliminated a lot of middle men.

  • You put everything under one roof.

  • But now the internet of things allows millions of people

  • to even bypass those types of vertical organizations,

  • scale laterally, eliminate all the middle men,

  • and you directly engage each other.

  • That's what the internet's about.

  • Millions of people go up there in lateral economies of scale.

  • They are bypassing-- thanks to Google and all these others--

  • they're bypassing all the middlemen

  • with information goods.

  • Now they're going to be able, with these lateral economies

  • of scale, to also move to the world--

  • the physical world-- energy and 3D printed products.

  • And so I should say, things like CouchSurfing and Airbnb

  • are just the beginning of this shift.

  • But what it does is it democratizes the economy.

  • And hopefully, you'll be in a world in 2050

  • that won't be the 1% or the 99%.

  • It'll be a shared economy, a sustainable good quality

  • of life, where no one's left behind.

  • Now, is it Utopia?

  • No.

  • Will we actually get everything I'm laying out?

  • Doubtful.

  • But if we can at least see this as a possible narrative,

  • it's a pretty good journey to be on even if we only

  • get half of it done.

  • And it's a lot better journey than we're on now,

  • where we have a Second Industrial Revolution that's

  • bringing us mass unemployment, a greater disparity

  • between rich and poor, and climate change threatening

  • our survival.

  • So I think this new journey is a positive journey.

  • It's going to be fraught with problems and challenges.

  • But it's worthy of your generation

  • to help reheal the planet and create a more

  • just world for all of us, hopefully.

  • AUDIENCE: So I had a question again

  • about zero marginal cost--

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: Near zero.

  • AUDIENCE: Or new zero.

  • I work in manufacturing, and we use 3D printing quite a bit.

  • But the thing that we like about 3D printing

  • is that it's a very low fixed cost in exchange

  • for a much higher marginal cost.

  • So marginal cost for current manufacturing

  • is already very, very low-- much, much lower

  • than 3D printing will ever get.

  • So I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding

  • what you mean by the near zero marginal cost on manufacturing?

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: My understanding-- of course,

  • the printers are pretty cheap.

  • But they're not very sophisticated.

  • You can get a printer now for $1,200.

  • The big, sophisticated printers cost more.

  • But you're right.

  • It's an exponential curve.

  • The fixed costs are going to really go down, especially

  • because it's added at manufacturing.

  • AUDIENCE: They're already much, much lower.

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: Yeah.

  • AUDIENCE: And this is in a typical,

  • like a traditional manufacturing line.

  • JEREMY RIFKIN: What brings the marginal cost

  • down is its additive manufacturing.

  • I always taught subtractive manufacturing

  • would, in centralized first and second Industrial Revolution

  • factories, you take a big hunk of a material from nature,

  • cut it up, tear it down, winnow it, and then put

  • the product together.

  • And you throw a lot out.

  • All right?

  • As you know, with 3D printing, the software is directing

  • the molten material to, layer by layer,

  • build up a three dimensional product with moving parts.

  • It's additive manufacturing.

  • It uses, what, 1/10 of the material?

  • With additive manufacturing, you are using a lot less materials.

  • But you're talking about the materials themselves.

  • What I'm saying is that what I've

  • been seeing in the industry-- in Europe,

  • at least-- is they're using a lot of recycled plastic

  • now, which is very low cost.

  • And they're now using, as you know,

  • in the Scandinavian countries they're

  • using recycled paper, which is low marginal cost.

  • And we now have some printers that are using gravel, rocks,

  • and sand for various things, which

  • is just locally available.

  • I think it's going to be a while.

  • This is so new-- and you're at the cutting edge of it here--

  • it's going to be a while before 3D planning is on center stage.

  • But at least the kind of work you're doing,

  • I'm sure you feel very positive that it's

  • going to lead to a new kind of manufacturing that's

  • going to reduce both fixed and marginal cost down the line.

  • It's going to take a while.

  • Otherwise, why do it?

  • I'm hopeful that here at Google, help

  • lead us into this new world.

  • We need to join together, all the people

  • on the planet, with this new technology,

  • and hopefully create some hope.

  • Because I see a lot of despair, a lot of cynicism,

  • a sense that nothing can happen.

  • But we're right now on the cusp of a great economic revolution,

  • this shift to the collaborate comments and an internet

  • of things platform that allow us to begin to produce and share

  • goods and services with low or zero marginal cost,

  • and in a sustainable way for the planet.

  • It's the journey we all ought to be on.

  • Thank you.

  • [APPLAUSE]

PRESENTER: Welcome, everybody.

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ジェレミー・リフキン"限界費用ゼロの社会』|Googleでの著者紹介 (Jeremy Rifkin: "The Zero Marginal Cost Society" | Authors at Google)

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