GENTLEMEN.

紳士。

WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."

レイトショーへようこそ

JOINING ME TONIGHT ARE THE DELIGHTFUL HOSTS OF MY FAVORITE

JOINING ME TONIGHT ARE THE DELIGHTFUL HOSTS OF MY FAVORITE

PODCAST THAT ISN'T ABOUT "THE LORD OF THE RINGS," "THE SLATE

指輪の神様」でも「スレート」でもないポッドキャスト

POLITICAL GABFEST."

POLITICAL GABFEST"

PLEASE WELCOME, EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ!

ようこそ エミリィ・バゼロン ジョン・ディッカーソン デビッド・プロッツ!

HELLO, YOU THREE.

HELLO, YOU THREE.

>> HEY, STEPHEN.

>> >> HEY,STEPHEN.

>> Stephen: IT'S SO NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> スティーブン会えて嬉しいよ

I NORMALLY JUST HEAR YOU ON THURSDAYS OR FRIDAYS.

いつもは木曜か金曜に聞くんだけどね。

FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DO NOT YET KNOW ABOUT THE "SLATE

まだ「スレート」について知らない人のために

POLITICAL GABFEST."

POLITICAL GABFEST"

IT WAS MY GATEWAY DRUG FOR PODCASTS.

それはポッドキャストのための 私のゲートウェイ・ドラッグだった

IT WAS THE FIRST PODCAST I LISTENED TO SO ALL MY PODCAST

IT WAS THE FIRST PODCAST I LISTENED TO SO ALL MY PODCAST

ADDICTIONS ARE YOUR FAULT.

ADDICTIONS ARE YOUR FAULT.

WHAT DAYS DO THE NEW ONES COME OUT?

WHAT DAYS DO THE NEW ONES COME OUT?

>> THEY COME OUT THURSDAY EVENINGS.

>> THEY COME OUT THURSDAY EVENINGS.

>> Stephen: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE SHOW IS IT FEELS LIKE-- IT

>> スティーブン私がこのショーで好きなのは...

HAS ALWAYS FELT TO ME FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE INTERESTED IN

私たちが興味を持っていることは、常に私に感じていました。

POLITICS, IS YOU'RE THE FOURTH PERSON AT A LITTLE FOUR-TOP

POLITICS, IS YOU'RE THE FOURTH PERSON AT A LITTLE FOUR-TOP

LUNCH TABLE ON A FRIDAY AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT

金曜の昼飯なのに お前らは何の話をしてるんだ？

JUST HAPPENED AND WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON, OR WHAT

ワシントンで起きたこととこれから起きること、あるいは何が？

THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE.

THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE.

HOW DID IT START?

どうやって始まったの？

WHAT'S THE ORIGIN STORY OF THIS LITTLE-- THIS LITTLE POLITICAL

WHAT'S THE ORIGIN STORY OF THIS LITTLE-- THIS LITTLE POLITICAL

AVENGERS?

アベンジャーズ？

>> THE FIRST PRODUCER OF THE "GAB FEST" ANDY BOWERS SAID HE

>> THE FIRST PRODUCER OF THE "GAB FEST" ANDY BOWERS SAID HE

WANTED A SHOW THAT WOULD BE LIKE HANGING OUT AT THE BAR WITH THE

バーでバーテンダーと一緒に過ごすようなショーを望んでいました。

PANELISTS ON TV AFTER THE SHOW.

PANELISTS ON TV AFTER THE SHOW.

SO FORGET THE BORING PART.

退屈な部分は忘れて

FORGET THE STUFF YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAY.

FORGET THE STUFF YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAY.

HE WANTED JUST LIKE WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT, WHAT

人々が実際に話していることと同じようなものを 求めていました

JOURNALISTS TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE HANGING OUT.

ジャーナリストが語る「外でぶらぶらしている時」。

THAT WAS THE CONCEPTION.

それがコンセプトだった。

SO LUCKILY FOR US, NOBODY LISTENED TO THE SHOW FOR THE

幸運なことに誰もショーを聞かなかった

FIRST YEAR OR SO, SO WE DID FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST HANGING OUT

FIRST YEAR OR SO, SO WE DID FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST HANGING OUT

BECAUSE NO ONE TOLD US THEY HAD HEARD IT.

誰も聞いたことがないと言っていたからだ。

BY THE TIME PEOPLE STARTED LISTENING, WE HAD AN IDEA-- WE

BY THE TIME PEOPLE STARTED LISTENING, WE HAD AN IDEA-- WE

HAVE A LOT OF TRUST AMONG US ABOUT HOW TO DO THE SHOW.

ショーのやり方については、私たちの間で多くの信頼があります。

>> WHEN WE DID THE FIRST SHOW WE HAD, "A," NO IDEA.

>> WHEN WE DID THE FIRST SHOW WE HAD, "A," NO IDEA.

WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE MOST

WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE MOST

BORING PEOPLE AT THE BAR OR THE PEOPLE THEY DON'T LET INTO THE

バーで退屈な人、または入れない人

BAR WERE TALKING ABOUT.

バーの話をしていた

I MEAN, WE WERE-- WE WERE-- WE HAD A LEARNING CURVE TO GO.

つまり、私たちは...私たちは...私たちは...私たちは学習曲線を持っていました。

>> WE'RE STILL THE NERDS AT THE BAR!

>> 俺たちはまだバーのオタクだ！

>> Stephen: SURE, SURE.

>> スティーブン：SURE、SURE。

AND THAT'S THE-- THAT'S THE TAG LINE FOR THE 15th

これは...これは15日のタグラインです

ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, "NOT AS BORING AS WE USED TO BE.

アニバーサリー祝賀会、"NOT AS BORING AS BORING AS WEED TO BE.

JOHN DICKERSON."

JOHN DICKERSON."

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SELL THEM.

>> どうやって売ったらいいかわからない。

>> Stephen: EMILY, AXEIOS REPORTED YESTERDAY THE PRESIDENT

>> スティーブン: エミリィ、アクセオスは昨日、大統領を報告した。

IS PLANNING MASS PARDONS LIKE CHRISTMAS GIFTS, EVEN TO PEOPLE

クリスマスのギフトのような大規模な恩赦を計画しているのは、人々にも同じです。

NOT ASKING FOR THEM.

彼らを求めていない

ARE THERE RULES ON ISSUING PARDONS?

恩赦の発行に規則はありますか？

OR CAN WE JUST SORT OF LODE THE PARDONS IN THE TANK AND CROP

赦免者をタンクの中に入れて 捨てることはできないのか？

DUST ALL HIS CRONIES WITH FORGIVENESS?

DUST ALL HIS CRONIES WITH FORGIVENESS?

>> HE CAN GIVE THEM OUT AS HE CHOOSES.

>> 彼は自分の好きなようにそれを与えることができます。

MAYBE HE CAN'T PARDON HIMSELF, BUT EVEN THAT ISN'T CLEAR.

彼は自分を赦すことができないかもしれないが、それも明確ではない。

BUT WHAT I LIKE THE BEST ABOUT THE STORY YOU JUST TOLD, IS ARE

BUT WHAT I LIKE THE BEST ABOUT THE STORY YOU JUST TOLD, IS ARE

BEING OFFERED PARDONS WHO DON'T WANT PARDONS.

恩赦を望まない者に恩赦を与えられている

THEY'RE LIKE, "I DIDN'T DO A CRIME.

彼らは「私は犯罪をしていない」と言っています。

I DON'T WANT THE STIGMA OF YOUR SUGGESTION THEY DID.

私はあなたの推理のスティグマを望んでいない 彼らがしたことだ

PLEASE DON'T PARDON ME."

"許してくれないか？"

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

そこが俺たちのいる場所だ

>> Stephen: I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND,

>> Stephen: I THINK THATAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THERE'S A 100-YEAR-OLD RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT THAT SAYS

最高裁判所の100年前の判決によると

ACCEPTING A PARDON IS AN ADMISSION OF GUILT.

恩赦を受け入れることは、罪の意識を認めることです。

>> RIGHT.

>> RIGHT.

IT SUGGESTS THAT YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THAT THERE

それはあなたが何か悪いことをしたのではないかと 推測しています

IS SOMETHING TO FORGIVE HERE.

許すべきことがあるんだ

AND SO, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF LIMIT ON PARDONS IN

だから、赦免には何かしらの制限があるはずです。

TERMS OF HOW THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY USES THEM, SOME SENSE

大統領が実際にどのようにそれらを使用するかについての用語、いくつかの感覚

THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY WRONGDOING.

実際に悪いことをしているということです。

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO LOSE

失わないようにすることが とても重要だと思います

THAT NORM BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS BEING LOST.

それは普通のことだが、それは失われているように見える。

>> Stephen: DAVID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF YOUR

>> スティーブン: David, I want to see you to ask you about one of your your one of your your own.

PARTICULAR IDIOCENTRICKITIES THAT I NOTICED OVER THE YEARS,

PARTICULAR IDIOCENTRICKITIES THAT I NOTICED OVER THE YEARS,

YOU'RE SORT OF FAMOUS AMONG GAPFEST FANS WITH BEING OKAY

あなたはギャップフェストファンの間では 有名なんですよね？

WITH POLITICAL CORRUPTION, THAT A LITTLE CORRUPTION IS OKAY.

WITH POLITICAL CORRUPTION, THAT A LITTLE CORRUPTION IS OKAY.

WHEN TRUMP IS OUT OF OFFICE, DO YOU THINK-- AND THIS IS FOR

トランプが任期を終えたとき、あなたはどう思いますか？

EVERYBODY, BUT AT FIRST TO DAVID-- SHOULD THERE BE

EVERYBODY, BUT AT FIRST TO DAVID-- SHOULD THERE BE

INVESTIGATIONS?

INVESTIGATIONS?

BECAUSE DON'T YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT THIS-- THIS ORGANIZATION

この組織の感覚を知らないのか？

MADE THE HARDING ADMINISTRATION LOOK LIKE CHOIR BOYS?

MADE THE HARDING ADMINISTRATION LOOKIKE CHOIR BOYS?

AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THROWN IN JAIL, WE SHOULD KNOW

そして、彼らが刑務所に入れられるかどうか、我々は知るべきである...

WHAT HAPPENED?

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> I THINK I WAS FOR POLITICAL CORRUPTION BEFORE DONALD TRUMP

>> ドナルド・トランプの前は、政治的腐敗に賛成していたと思う。

SHOWED UP.

姿を現した。

I'M FOR POLITICAL CORRUPTION IN THE SENSE THAT I THINK A LITTLE

私は少し考えれば政治的腐敗に賛成です

BIT OF FAVOR-DOING-- POLITICS IS SORT OF ART OF DOING FAVORS FOR

恩恵を受けることの一端--政治学は恩恵を受けることの一種の芸術である

EACH OTHER.

ＥＡＣＨ ＥＸＴＨ ＥＸＴＨ ＥＸＴＨ ＥＸＴＨ ＥＸＴＨ

YOU GET A LITTLE SOMETHING FROM ME, AND GET A LITTLE SOMETHING

YOU GET A LITTLE SOMETHING FROM ME, AND GET A LITTLE SOMETHING

FROM YOU.

君からだ

SO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CAN BE CORRUPT.

ほんの少しのことでも 堕落することがあります

>> Stephen: SO EAR MARKS YOU'RE OKAY WITH?

>> スティーブン: それで耳マークは大丈夫ですか？

>> 100% OKAY WITH EAR MARKS.

>> 100％OKの耳マーク付き。

WHAT'S SHOCKING-- WE MAY NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH-- HOW MANY PEOPLE

WHAT'S SHOCKING-- WE MAY NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH-- HOW MANY PEOPLE

HAVE DRILLED THINGS, HOW MUCH SOOT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO BE

物体に穴を開けたことがありますが、どのくらいの量の煤が許容されているのでしょうか？

DUMPED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, HOW MUCH MERCURY I'M GETTING TO

アトモスフィアに飛び込んで、どれだけのマーキュリーを手に入れたのか...

INJECHT BECAUSE SOME TEXAS COMPANY IS ALLOWED TO POUR

テキサス州の会社が注水を許可されているために注入された。

MERCURY.

マーキュリー

AND IT'S-- IT IS HORRIFYING TO IMAGINE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

彼らがしたことを想像すると ゾッとするわ

THAT SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT-- I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR THE

つまり、私はそれを知らない - 私はそれを知らない、私はそれを知らない

COUNTRY'S GOOD THAT YEARS OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT THE

COUNTRY'S GOOD THAT YEARS OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT THE

TRUMPS HAVE DONE IS GOING TO GET US VERY FAR.

TRUMPSがやったことは、私たちが非常に遠くに取得するために行くことです。

>> BUT IF WE DON'T INVESTIGATE, IF WE DON'T AT LEAST LOOK UNDER

>> しかし、私たちが調査しないならば、私たちは少なくとも下を見ていないならば

THE ROCK, THEN WE LOSE THAT KIND OF DETERRENCE, RIGHT?

THE ROCK, THEN WE LOSE THAT KIND OF DETERRENCE, RIGHT?

THEN THE NEXT PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND THERE'S THIS-- YOU'VE JUST

THEN THE NEXT PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND THERE'S THIS-- YOU'VE JUST

LOWERED THE BAR FOR WHAT THE NEXT SET OF POLITICIANS FEEL

LOWERED THE BAR FOR WHAT THE NEXT SET OF POLITICIANS FEEL

LIKE THEY CAN DO.

彼らができることのように

>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS-- ONE OF THE REASONS YOU NEED TO FIND

>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS-- ONE OF THE REASONS YOU NEED TO FIND

OUT WHAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE IN THE OLD DAYS, THE NORMS WOULD B

何が起こったのかというと、昔の時代には、北半球は、

BE-- WOULD BE POLICED BY PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN PARTY.

自分のパーティーの中の人たちに規制されているはずなのに

I MEAN, SO THAT YOU COULD AGREE THAT SOMEBODY HAD STEPPED OVER A

I mean, so that you can'd agree that SOMEBODY HADPED OVER A

LINE, AND NOBODY SHOULD DO THAT WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO GO

誰もが必要に迫られずにLINEをするべきではありません。

ALL THE WAY TO HAVING AN INVESTIGATION.

ALL THE WAY TO HAVING AN INVESTIGATION.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A MOMENT WHEN NORMS CAN BE BROKEN AND NOBODY

しかし、あなたがその瞬間にいるとき、ノーラムが壊れて誰もいない。

FROM YOUR TEAM WILL SPEAK UP, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN NAIL DOWN

あなたのチームからは、あなたが釘を打つことができる唯一の方法を明らかにします。

THE INFORMATION AND SAY, "THIS IN FACT WAS A LINE THAT WAS

その情報をもとに、「これは実際にはあったLINEだった」と言います。

CROSSED," IS BY TAKING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO AN

CROSSED," IS BY TAKING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO AN

INVESTIGATION.

INVESTIGATION.

>> BUT, JOHN, THEN YOU END UP WITH IMPEACHMENT-- WHICH WAS THE

>> しかし、ジョン、あなたは結局、インピーチメントに陥ってしまう...それが原因だった。

RIGHT THING TO DO-- BUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE COUNTRY-- I MEAN, A

RIGHT THING TO DO-- BUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE COUNTRY-- I MEAN, A

COUNTRY OPERATING HALF OF THEM IN A MASS DELUSION OR WILLFUL

半分は大混乱の中で運営されている国、あるいは意志を持って運営されている国

DELUSION.

デリュージョン

>> WELL, BUT THAT'S-- >> YOU MEAN PEOPLE DIDN'T

>> >>まあ、でもそれは... >>それはつまり、みんながしなかったってことでしょ？

BELIEVE THE INFORMATION.

BELIEVE THE INFORMATION.

>> THEY CHOSE NOT IGNORE-- AND THAT'S SO WORRYING THAT YOU HAVE

>> 彼らは無視することを選択しませんでした - そして、それはあなたが持っていることをとても心配しています。

THESE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE SYSTEMS.

THESE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE SYSTEMS.

YOU UNCOVER THE TRUTH, BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTRY

YOU UNCOVER THE TRUTH, BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTRY

DOESN'T LISTEN?

DOESN'T LISTEN?

>> BUT, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CASE BEING MADE NOW, THE

>> でも、つまり、今作られているケースを見てみると

PRESIDENT'S FRAUDULENT CASE ABOUT THE ELECTION, ONE OF THE

選挙をめぐる大統領の詐欺事件、その1つ

WAYS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE TO SOMEBODY THAT IT IS TRULY

それが本当であることを誰かに主張することができるかもしれない方法

FRAUDULENT IS THAT THE COURTS HAVE THROWN IT OUT WITH SUCH

FRAUDULENT IS THAT THE COURTS HAVE THROWN IT OUT WITH SUCH

PREJUDICE.

PREJUDICE.

NOW, THAT MAY NOT CONVINCE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, AND ONE OF

NOW, THAT MAY NOT CONVINCE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, AND ONE OF

THE DANGERS OF REPUBLICAN LEADERS JUST ALLOWING THE

共和党指導者の危険性は、単に許可しているだけです。

PRESIDENT TO LIE ABOUT THE ELECTION AND SEEMINGLY TO

大統領は選挙について嘘をつき、そのように見せかけています。

SUPPORT HIM IS THAT IT ALLOWS THAT IDEA TO SINK IN.

SUPPORT HIM IS THAT IT ALLOWS THAT IDEA TO SINK IN.

BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO REJECT THAT IDEA FROM PEOPLE WHO

BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO REJECT THAT IDEA FROM PEOPLE WHO

BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE, YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF

BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE, YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF

THE COURTS AND THE JUDGES, SOME OF WHOM WERE APPOINTED BY

法廷と判事のうちの一部は

PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO SAY NOT ONLY IS THERE NO CASE HERE, BUT

トランプ大統領は、ここに事件がないというだけでなく...

YOU SHOULDN'T BE ASKING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO AT ALL,

求められていることを全くしないでくださいと言われるべきではありません。

EVEN BASED ON THE-- EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ALSO ASKING TO DO IT

たとえそれに基づいていても...たとえあなたがそれをするように求めていても

BASED ON INCREDIBLY FLIMSY EVIDENCE.

信じられないほどに 巧妙な証拠に基づいています。

AND THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO ARGUE THIS IS BEYOND THE

そして、それは、あなたが主張しようとしているならば、これは超えています。

BOUND, AT LEAST YOU NOW HAVE A NUMBER OF JUDGES WHO HAVE

拘束されていますが、少なくとも、あなたは今までに持っていた裁判官の数を持っています。

ASSERTED THAT, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST-- THESE AREN'T POLITICAL

それを主張しているが、それはただの...これは政治的なものではない。

PUNDITS SAYING THIS.

評論家が言ってた

THESE ARE ACTUAL JUDGES, WHICH SEEMS TO MAKE A STRONGER CASE,

これらは実際の裁判官であり、それはより強いケースを作るように見える。

THOUGH I RECOGNIZE LOTS OF PEOPLE WON'T BELIEVE THAT CASE.

多くの人がそのケースを信じないだろうけど

>> Stephen: WE JUST HAVE TO GET 74 MILLION PEOPLE TO LISTEN

>> スティーブン7,400万人の聴衆を集めなければならない

TO THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST" EVERY WEEK, AND THE COUNTRY

スレートポリティカルガブフェスト」毎週、国へ

WOULD BE FINE.

WOULD BE FINE.

WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK THE HOSTES YES THEY THINK

でも、戻ってきたら、ホストたちに聞いてみるわ。

THE G.O.P. IS GOING ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CLAIMS OF

G.O.P.は大統領の主張に沿って進んでいます

ELECTION FRAUD.

選挙の不正。

STICK AROUND.

回り込んで

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