♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

♪ ♪ ♪ >> スティーブンヘイ、みんな。

WE'RE BACK WITH THE HOSTS OF "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST," JOHN

WE'RE BACK WITH THE HOSTS OF "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST," JOHN

DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, AND DAVID PLOTZ.

DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, AND DAVID PLOTZ.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON PART OF YOUR POINT THERE, JOHN, AND THIS

君の指摘の一部をフォローしたいんだが、ジョン、そしてこれは

IS FOR EVERYBODY AND SORT OF BASED UPON WHAT JAMAL BUOY SAID

ジャマル・ブオイが言ったことをベースにしたもので、すべての人のためのものです。

IN LAST WEEK'S GABFEST-- WE MISS YOU DAVID.

IN LAST WEEK'S GABFEST-- WE MISS YOU DAVID.

IT WAS WHY ARE THE REPUBLICANS STICKING BY THIS GUY?

IT WAS WHY ARE THE REPUBLICANS STICKING BY THIS GUY?

BECAUSE DONT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP-- YOUR TOM COTTONS,

BECAUSE DONT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP-- YOUR TOM COTTONS,

YOUR TED CRUZS, YOUR NIKI HALEYS-- DON'T THEY REALLY WANT

テッド・クルーズも ニキ・ヘリーズも... 彼らは本当に望んでいない

HIM OFF THE SCENE, BECAUSE IF THE NEXT PRIMARY, THE NEXT 2024

HIM OFF THE SCENE, BECAUSE IF THE NEXT PRIMARY, THE NEXT 2024

PRIMARY IS ABOUT WHO CAN BE MOST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, THEN DONALD

第一は誰がドナルド・トルムに最も似ているかについてです。

TRUMP WILL WIN THAT AND STAYING CLOSE TO HIM IS MERELY GOING TO

トランプはそれに勝つだろうし、彼の近くにいることは、本当にそうなっている。

GIVE HIM MORE POWER?

彼にもっと力を与える？

WHY WON'T THEY GIVE HIM THE DOOR?

なぜ彼らは彼にドアを与えないのか？

>> I MEAN, I WONDER IF THEY WILL AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE

>> 仝それにしても、私たちはまだそこに到達していないんだけど、どうかな？

YET.

ＹＥＴ。

LIKE, THEY HAVE A COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE

彼らは集団行動の問題を抱えているようなものだ

ALL CANDIDATES ALSO COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

すべての候補者が互いに競い合っています。

BUT ONCE TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT AND DOESN'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME

しかし、トランプは大統領ではありませんし、同じようなものを持っていません。

MICROPHONE AND PERHAPS HOLD ON HIS SPACE, ISN'T IT MORE

マイクロフォンとその空間を持って、それ以上のものではありません。

POSSIBLE WE'LL SEE THOSE PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR HAVE A TOTAL

可能性としては、私たちは特定の人々が完全に持っているのを見ることができます。

INCENTIVE TO REACH THE VOTERS ON THEIR OWN, START TO MOVE AWAY

INCENTIVE TO REACH THE VOTERS ON THEIR OWN, START TO MOVE AWAY

FROM HIM?

彼から？

I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

知らないわよ ジョン どう思う？

>> WELL, ANYONE IN HIS PARTY OR OUTSIDE OF HIS PARTY WHO THINKS

>> 党内でも党外でも 考える人は誰でも

THEY CAN CONTROL OR DEFINE WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES HAS BEEN

ドナルド・トルンプが何をしているのかを制御したり、定義したりすることができるようになっています。

DELIVERED DEFEAT AFTER DEFEAT.

DELIVERED DEFEAT AFTER DEFEAT.

SO I THINK ANY STRATEGY THEY MAY HAVE FOR TRYING TO MOVE HIM

だから彼を移動させるためのどんな戦略もあると思う。

ASIDE I THINK IS GOING TO LOSE.

ASIDE I THINK IS GOING TO LOSE.

WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WHETHER HE RUNS OR NOT OR TRIES TO PLAY

興味があるのは、走るか走らないか、プレイしようとするかどうかです。

KING MAKER IS WHETHER HE HAS CHANGED THE MARKET FOR

KING MAKERは、彼が市場を変えたかどうかです。

COMPETITION AMONG THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT.

COMPETITION AMONG THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT.

HAS HE CHANGED THE WAY TO APPEAL TO THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN

彼は共和党の基盤に訴える方法を変えたのか？

PARTY?

パーティー？

AND HAS HE CHANGED THE EXPECTATION OF THAT BASE IN

彼はそのベースの期待を変えたのか？

TERMS OF WHAT HE WANTS, WHAT CANDIDATES NEED TO TALK ABOUT TO

彼が望むもの、候補者が話す必要があることの言葉

EVEN GET A HEARING?

審問を受けられるのか？

SO, CLEARLY, DONALD TRUMP OPENED THE OVERTON WINDOW ABOUT WHAT

明らかに ドナルド・トルムは何をしていたのかについて

WAS POSSIBLE IN POLITICS AND WHAT TO SAY.

政治の可能性があったと何を言うべきか。

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE TURNED INTO A TICKET WINDOW.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE TURNED INTO A TICKET WINDOW.

DOES ANYBODY WANTING FAVOR IN THE FUTURE FROM REPUBLICANS HAVE

DOES ANYBODY WANTING FAVOR IN THE FUTURE FROM REPUBLICANS HAVE

TO BEHAVE LIKE HIM, HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE CONSPIRACIES THAT

TO BEHAVE LIKE HIM, HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE CONSPIRACIES THAT

HE PROMOTES, HAS TO BASICALLY SUPPORT HIS SET OF IDEAS JUST TO

彼は宣伝するために、基本的に彼のアイデアのセットをサポートしなければなりません。

GET A HEARING IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS?

共和党政治のヒアリングを受ける？

AND THAT'S A WAY IN WHICH THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S A WAY IN

そして、それは質問がどのような方法であるか、それは方法の中の方法です。

WHICH HE CAN HAVE A LONG-STANDING INFLUENCE ON THE

彼が長期的に影響を与えることができるもの

PARTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS PARTICULAR FORTUNES ARE.

PARTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS PARTICULAR FORTUNES ARE.

>> I WORRY IN THAT VEIN THAT NONE OF THE OTHERS-- WELL, I

>> 他の人たちが誰もいないことを心配しています...

DON'T WORRY.

心配するな

NO ONE ELSE HAS THE CHARISMA THAT TRUMP HAS.

トランプが持っているカリスマ性を持っている人は他にいません。

TRUMP HAS A CERTAIN CHAOTIC EVIL CHARISMA THAT NONE OF THE OTHER

トランプは、他の誰にもない、ある種の狂気的な悪のカリスマ性を持っています。

FOLKS HAVE.

FOLKS HAVE.

THE ONLY PERSON I SEE COMING UP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

共和党の中で唯一出てくるのは

TUCKER CARLSON, I COULD SEE CHANNELING THIS.

TUCKER CARLSON, I COULD SEE CHANNELING THIS.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO HAVE THOSE SAME

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO HAVE THOSE SAME

IDEAS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES IS ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE A KIND

IDEAS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES IS ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE A KIND

OF...

ｏｆ...

WICKED CHARISMA.

WICKED CHARISMA。

>> Stephen: BEFORE WE GO, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

>> スティーブンその前に2つの質問がある

ONE IS WILL YOU MAKE A GUESS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ONE IS WILL YOU MAKE A GUESS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

DOES DONALD TRUMP OUT OF POWER LOSE HIS BASE?

権力を失ったドナルド・トランプは基地を失うのか？

BECAUSE MY THEORY IS STRONGMAN IS STRONGMAN UNTIL STRONGMAN

BECAUSE MY THEORY IS STRONGMAN IS STRONGMAN UNTIL STRONGMAN

EVER WEAK.

EVER WEAK.

AND THEN STRONGMAN NEVER STRONG.

AND THEN STRONGMAN NEVER STRONG.

THAT THERE IS A NATURE TO SOMEONE WHO IS AUTOCRATIC

THAT THERE IS A NATURE TO SOMEONE WHO IS AUTOCRATIC

CURIOUS, AND A BASE THAT FOLLOWS THAT FIGURE THAT HE MUSTN'T EVER

キュリアスで、彼が決してしてはならないことを、その人物に従うベースがある。

LOSE.

負けた

AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, HE'S LOST, AND HE WILL BE OUT OF

何を言おうと 彼は迷子になり 抜け出すのです

POWER IN ABOUT 35 DAYS.

約35日でパワーを発揮します。

>> BUT, STEPHEN, DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS LAST MONTH HAS

>> でもステファン この１ヶ月間のことだと思わないのか？

BEEN, WHICH IS AN EFFORT TO BASICALLY REDEFINE LOSS AND THAT

損失とそれを基本的に再定義しようとする試みである「BEEN」。

BASED ON POLL, THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

BASED ON POLL, THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN

と党内の人数と人数の数

THE MEDIA WHO ARE SUPPORTING THAT IDEA.

THE MEDIA WHO ARE SUPPORTING THAT IDEA.

SO THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, HE JUST REDEFINES IT.

つまり、他の言葉で言えば、彼はそれを再定義しただけなのです。

SO IN ORDER, STRONGMAN DIDN'T LOSE.

順当に言えばストロングマンは負けなかった

>> Stephen: I LIKE YOU.

>> スティーブン君が好きだ

I DON'T LIKE YOUR ANSWER.

あなたの答えは好きじゃないわ

>> IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE

>> 好きじゃないからなのか、信じてないからなのか

IT?

ＩＴ？

>> Stephen: I JUST DON'T WANT TO THINK IT.

>> Stephen: I JUST DON'T WANT TO THINK IT.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN MY BEAUTIFUL MIND.

私の美しい心の中にそれを持ちたくない。

BEFORE YOU GUYS GO, AGAIN, CONSIDERATIONS ON 15 YEARS.

BEFORE YOU GUYS GO, AGAIN, CONSIDERATIONS ON 15 YEARS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE SHOW WORK?

WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE SHOW WORK?

BECAUSE IT IS-- IT IS, TO ME, THE BEST PODCAST OUT THERE.

私にとっては最高のポッドキャストだからだ

>> I-- I'LL TAKE A QUICK STAB.

>> I-- I'LL TAKE A QUICK STAB.

I THINK IT'S THAT WE LOVE AND TRUST EACH OTHER AND WE BEGAN AS

私たちはお互いを愛して信頼していると思います。

FRIENDS AND WE HAVE BECOME GREATER FRIENDS.

FRIENDS AND WE HAVE BECOME GREATER FRIENDS.

AND IT'S THIS-- I THINK IN A LOT OF PLACES IN MEDIA, THERE'S A

これは...メディアの多くの場所では、これがあると思います。

SENSE IF YOU SAY SOMETHING WRONG, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR

SENSE IF YOU SAY SOMETHING WRONG, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR

HEAD TAKEN OFF.

HEAD TAKEN OFF.

AND I THINK EACH OF US HAS SAID INCREDIBLY STUPID THINGS OVER

And I think EACH OF US HAS SAIDING EACH OF US HAS SAIDING INCREDIBRIBY STUPID THINGS OVER.

THE YEARS.

THE YEARS.

( LAUGHTER ) AND WE'VE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT

( LAUGHTER ) AND WE VE BEEN BE BE BEHELD TO ACCOUNT

BY EACH OTHER, BUT ALWAYS IN THE MOST LOVING WAY.

お互いに、しかし、常に最高の愛の方法で。

IT FEELS LIKE A FAMILY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE TWO WISE PARENTS IN

IT FEELS LIKE A FAMILY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE TWO WISE PARENTS IN

JOHN AND EMILY, AND I'M SORT OF LIKE THE UNCLE WHO TRADES

ジョンとエミリィ そして私は取引をする叔父のようなものだ

BITCOIN ON THE SIDE.

BITCOIN ON THE SIDE。

BUT IT'S ALL ONE FAMILY.

BUT IT'S ALL ONE FAMILY.

>> YEAH, BUT IT'S-- WE'RE NICER TO EACH OTHER THAN PEOPLE ARE--

>> そうだけど、でもそれは... 俺たちはみんなより仲良しなんだよな...

OR AT LEAST-- AT LEAST I AM TO MY FAMILY.

少なくとも...少なくとも私は家族の一員だ

SO IT'S LUKE A FAMILY WITH, LIKE, THE VENEER OF CIVILITY.

SO IT'S LUKE A FAMILY WITH, LIKE, THE VENEER OF CIVILITY.

>> Stephen: THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T RECORD YOUR FAMILY DINNERS

>> スティーブン：それは、あなたがあなたの家族の夕食を記録していないからです。

LIKE YOU DO THE "GABFEST" EVER WEEK.

LIKE YOU DO THE "GABFEST" EVER WEEK.

>> EXACTLY.

>> その通りです。

>> WE ALL LIVE IN THESE TWO WORDS.

>> WE ALL LIVE IN THESE TWO WORDS.

THERE ARE OUR OTHER JOBS-- WE ALL HAVE OTHER JOBS.

THERE ARE OUR OTHER JOBS-- WE ALL HAVE OTHER JOBS.

I'M ON, I THINK, MY FOURTH JOB SINCE WE STARTED 15 YEARS AGO.

I'M ON, I THINK, MY FOURTH JOB SINCE WE STARTED 15 YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO WORLDS, I'M INCREDIBLY

あのね、2つの世界のことを考えるとき、私は信じられないくらいに

LUCKY THAT MY CBS WORK AND THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH AND THE

私のCBSの仕事と一緒に仕事をしている人たちと一緒に仕事をしている人たちと一緒に仕事をしている人たちに恵まれています。

RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE THERE, AND I THINK I AM-- I RECOGNIZE THAT

RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE THERE, AND I THINK I AM-- I RECOGNIZE THAT

LUCKINESS AND I AM BETTER AT DOING THAT PART OF MY LIFE

幸運と私は人生のこの部分を行うのが得意です。

BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH EMILY AND DAVID WHO HAVE MADE ME

BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH EMILY AND DAVID WHO HAVE MADE ME

A BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER JOURNALIST.

A BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER JOURNALIST.

AND I LOVE THE WAY IN WHICH WE INTERACT, BUT I ALSO LOVE THE

AND I LOVE THE WAY IN WHICH WE INTERACT, BUT I ALSO LOVE THE

WAY IN WHICH THEY'VE MADE ME, YOU KNOW, BETTER IN MY OTHER

彼らが私を作った方法は、あなたが知っているように、他の私の中でより良いです。

LIFE AT CBS, TOO.

CBSでの生活も

>> Stephen: WELL, THANK YOU FOR AN AMAZING 15 YEARS OF YOUR

>> スティーブン: 15年間、ありがとうございました。

PODCAST.

PODCAST.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER 15 MORE.

また15年後を楽しみにしています。

THE 15th ANNIVERSARY EPISODE OF THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST"

スレート・ポリティカル・ガブフェスト」15周年記念エピソード

AIRS LIVE TOMORROW.

AIRS LIVE TOMORROW.

EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ, EVERYBODY!

EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ, EVERYBODY!

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY

GRETA VAN FLEET.

GRETA VAN FLEET.