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  • Introduced today at Eurobike 2019

  • An update from Tacx of their flagship direct drive smart trainer the Neo 2T.

  • This is the second update we've seen to the original neo unit in the last 12 months with the neo 2 being announced in October-November last year.

  • Cutting straight to the details on this one. Here are the updates that come today with the Neo 2T. First up, native thru-axle support

  • So no longer, do we need a quick release adapter.

  • You can use your thru-axle from your bike to mount on the Neo 2t

  • There's a more powerful resistance unit which addresses the virtual tire slip so more

  • power more resistance at lower flywheel speeds

  • Even quieter operation with the internal

  • neodymium magnets (that's where the word neo comes from) being aligned a little differently to quieten things down and finally the pedaling analysis on the

  • Neo 2T supports open standards

  • So it's compatible with your head units and other software

  • One of the key updates mentioned there with the 2T is the ability of the unit to apply more

  • resistance at a lower flywheel speed so you don't get that virtual tire slip. That was one of the things in the neo 1 and 2

  • that really got to me. This appears to be virtually eliminated. In early, July

  • I had the opportunity to visit the Tacx HQ to have a look at the Neo 2T being built

  • Here is a 2T on the test rig

  • Being calibrated or certified for calibration

  • In the factory

  • Now the one difference with the 2T and the 2 is the 2T has two little black strips on the

  • Armband there. It still has blue pants

  • Speaking of blue pants here is one of my favorite robots

  • bolting the blue pants onto the 2T

  • there at the factory

  • and

  • Now over to my favorite robot on the shop floor captain glue. Now captain will take the neodymium

  • Magnets from the stack where they're all pretty hard pressed together

  • extract those

  • Put a little bit of glue on each one

  • Then take them over to the flywheel and insert them in exactly the right spot and you can see them

  • They're a little offset in the flywheel.

  • I can watch this machine all day. It's fascinating stuff

  • And here's a close-up of the flywheels with the magnets offset for the Neo 2T

  • Not straight up and down anymore a little bit offset

  • Onto the unit specifications and on paper not a lot different between the Neo 1 and the Neo 2, they were ahead of their time.

  • So we have a direct drive interactive smart trainer erg mode, sim mode and more we have

  • Isotonic isokinetic modes with the Neos they can do some pretty funky things by compatibility

  • We have quick release 130 135 and now 140 - and 148 native through axle support

  • That's a good thing Shimano compatible free hub. It does not come with a cassette. Wireless protocols

  • ANT+, ANT+ FE-C Bluetooth smart Bluetooth FTMs the data transmission speed cadence power and trainer control

  • Which means if you're on Apple TV you get the trifecta.

  • Power accuracy claims less than 1% I guess that's one percent margin of error

  • So it should be pretty accurate when put up against other known good power sources, no calibration required

  • Excellent, Grade simulation up to 25%

  • max wattage 2200 watts

  • We also had downhill drive on the Neo 1/2 and 2T

  • which means if you are on a virtual downhill that flywheel will tick over for you.

  • It doesn't really help you move forward on Zwift or something like that

  • You need to generate power for that

  • But it just adds a bit more realism if you want to coast down a hill

  • Road surface simulation: So you get cobbles, gravel, ice, plank bridges, whatever they want to do with the programming of that. It's pretty nifty

  • You can feel that through the pedals flywheel weight in size

  • It's claimed mass inertia of 125 kilos, but the neo 1, 2, 2T has a virtual flywheel, so it's dependent on software

  • It can be a pretty big flywheel if they choose to seem you like that

  • Noise level really quiet

  • Yes, really because of those magnet realignments unit weight

  • That's the entire box as it comes is 24.8 kilos. And yes

  • My FedEx guy knows how heavy this unit is works with or without power without power

  • You'll get no downhill Drive

  • But you can pack this one up and take it to a race and use it as a full smart trainer with full

  • Capabilities without power being plugged in and a front wheel riser block is supplied .

  • On to the global pricing here

  • It appears the price of the Neo 2t stays the same as the Neo 2 so US dollars 1399, Australia

  • Which I'll pick out where I am 1899 and in the UK you're looking at

  • 1199 pounds

  • Okay there all the details. Let's get this unboxed and have a closer look at that thru-axle support

  • Superb packaging here, maximizing all the space in a small box

  • Okay, everything you need to know about what comes in the box obviously the Neo 2T itself, front riser block,

  • We have some manuals, power cables, the kits to convert it to thru axel if needed and the power brick

  • There's the armbands that indicate that it's a neo 2T and

  • The unit comes with quick release as standard

  • So, he's me conveying it over to 142 x 12 through axle. Drive side first before we put the cassette on

  • 11 speed Ultegra for what I use - just fine

  • And non-drive side

  • Sorted

  • Ok bike on with the thru axle that we use on our bike, that's what I mean by native or no additional adapter required

  • Ok powering up and call this the noise check. This is a shotgun microphone directed straight at the trainer.

  • Noisiest part of all, that is me changing through my gears and the DI2

  • So here's the soundcheck

  • You can hear the chain and the drive-train. The unit itself is virtually silent.

  • That's as I said, shotgun mic directed straight at the trainer. And this does pass the sleeping baby test.

  • One thing to do with the Neo units is to open up the Tacx utility app and first of all check for new firmware

  • So there was a firmware update from 26 to 27 with this

  • I'm now on 28 I suspect there's going to be a few more revisions very soon. But here's the process with that

  • So definitely make sure you have the Tacx utility and do that update

  • Just takes a few minutes to get that done and now once that's done make sure you go to the settings of your Neo 2T

  • Which you can see just here and update the default body weight

  • Now this is a required for Bluetooth because bluetooth doesn't have the ability to set your body weight to deal with the inertia calculation

  • So if you set it in here, bluetooth will be happy ANT+ has it covered in your software

  • With many many hours on the 2T clocked up

  • It's time to talk about the ride feel, the user experience, the on bike, on pedal. What's it like to ride?

  • Well, first of all, it's definitely a NEO it has Neo characteristics. I guess you'd call it

  • It has a little wiggle side to side which is welcome little bit of flex

  • So it's not like riding a brick fence with a saddle on it. That's a good thing. It's virtually silent. By virtually silent

  • I mean you'll hear your drivetrain and you'll know when it's time to oil your chain

  • And that freewheel does make a noise. It's funny how they make silent trainers

  • but as soon as you stop pedaling

  • It starts ratcheting up. We'll have to do a video on how to quieten that all down

  • High powered Sprint's appear to be sorted. I could not trip this unit up

  • There's an easy way to trip up a neo 1 a neo 2. Go up a gradient, lower gear, punch the pedals and you'll slip

  • Out pretty easily this thing held on so good stuff there. Appears to be virtually solved with that one

  • Erg mode on the 2T will come at you like a freight train

  • Well, probably more like a mini bus after some feedback we provided Tacx

  • it was just punching way way too hard into those resistance changes and you really had to slug things over before it came down and stabilized.

  • That's been updated with a firmware update just the other day and it's more

  • Yeah, a little tamer on the pedals. Same goes for the steady-state Erg. It was just a little harsh on the pedals because it was just

  • Overcompensating with its extra power I guess or under compensating when it dropped off. A little bit jagged now, it's been smoothed out

  • So the user experience in steady-state Erg was pretty good. So overall in regards to the on bike on pedal

  • What's it like experience? This is definitely a step up from the neo 1 and the neo 2 in particular

  • There was Sprint's really pack a punch and those Erg resistance changes. You're going to know about it pretty quick

  • But hey, that's what training is all about. Now. Here's where things go a little off piste

  • So to speak now, I've spent a lot of time in the neo 2t in recent weeks

  • Typically a trainer will arrive I'll do my research. I'll schedule some time. I'll unbox it

  • Get it set up, do a llama lab test, maybe a few rides, have a look at the data

  • Job done, make a video, happy days!

  • Wasn't quite the case with this unit.

  • Look, my trusty Neo 1 still takes pride of place in the llama lab for power meter testing and I really wanted to put the Neo 2T

  • to the test to see if it could replace the Neo 1

  • Well...

  • The inverse was true. The Neo 2T tested me, the Lama lab, and I think every power meter I had access to.

  • It's been quite the journey! What I try and do is have the true user experience in the llama lab.

  • So if you're watching these videos, you know exactly what to expect when you unbox something, jump on, ride your bike,

  • Look at the numbers... and it's happy days

  • Hopefully you even have a better experience than I, because you watch me make the mistakes first

  • You have a bit of a giggle - away you go. You do it better!

  • So look

  • Let's move gently into this by first acknowledging that a few things are yet to be implemented namely cycling dynamics and a pedaling dynamics

  • It's not there. Not there. It's in the spec sheet, but it's not implemented at this point in time

  • It may be a firmware update away, but it's currently not there. So we know this is a work in progress

  • Next, the original Neo.

  • It's a pretty trusted source of truth for power and there's a few edge cases that we can you can fool it.

  • But, there's a reason why I use it for the llama lab test for steady-state stuff. It's reliable, dependable,

  • Go-to it any time of the day, in almost any temperature, with any other power meter and if the power meter is good the Neo 1 will agree

  • It's happy days! The Neo 2T has that potential but that potential still yet to be realized after 10 Lama lab tests

  • (It's been a lot of training rides the last few weeks), I'm still seeking that potential in the 2T.

  • That search has involved being sent a new firmware just this week, so that potential again still being realized and it's still a work in progress.

  • Look, I won't spend an hour going through the 10 Lama lab test data sets,

  • They're all over with Tacx for review.

  • But what I'm going to do now is go through the Neo 2T versus the Vector 3 pedals. Vector 3's are owned

  • By Garmin. Garmin own Tacx, that that's what they've been using internally.

  • So I thought to give it the best chance of working and replicating their tests internally. I'll have a look at the Vector 3 data.

  • So as always my favorite website on the internet the DCRainmaker analysis tool where we can compare multiple power meters

  • and their .fit files as an overlay and see how things stack up.

  • So Neo 2T vs the Vector 3's. Now the first ten minutes I will throw away

  • Because we're recently installed angles and getting everything calibrated, a few stomp sprints. It's all good!

  • As I said, this is one data set of ten

  • But it represents pretty much the experience that I've had so far to date with the current firmware.

  • Ok, diving into the steady-state stuff, there's a few dropouts.

  • So I will stop the drag (about there).

  • Okay, 224 versus 228

  • with a few interesting spikes there from the Vector 3's

  • Not too bad for what's off pedals. For what's higher? Look that's not too bad. Not too bad.

  • The Neo 1 and Neo 2 [Vector 3] are within 2 watts ... 4 watts.

  • Again, I'm nitpicking but this isn't the next level this is going the other way. So

  • That was something that was a bit of a concern. Diving in a little closer here. We had some drop outs

  • So, now I blame this on the [Garmin] Edge 1030 that I've been using with beta firmware

  • (I shouldn't be testing this with beta firmware), but what we can see here is the peak power. It gets up to within

  • 40 watts at eleven hundred. Forget the drop out there, that was not...

  • Not very handy. I have done a tonne of other sprints though. It's been okay. I just wanted to use this data set,

  • So I just excuse the sprint dropout there. That's looking okay now

  • Into the just riding along, just riding along.

  • And we have a separation of 10 watts there. Now, this is 125 on the Neo 2T and 135 on the Vector 3's

  • That's not within 1%

  • that's a little bit too far out for my liking, just riding along.

  • Diving in here to the "overs and unders" and

  • look close but you can see that there is an offset there by it's about 10 watts the whole way across so

  • Typically a power meter if it's off

  • It'll be off at a higher range and not the lower range

  • This is just consistently off both at the 350, 150, 350, 150, 350, 450. Sorry! 150

  • So, it's just a little bit off comparing this to the Neo 2 similar, but you can see here

  • This is with the Neo 2 - with the Vector 3 275 vs 273. They're within 2 watts for that test.

  • Here at 266 vs 273. It's just a little bit farther out than I would like. You can also see the purple spikes there the little devil horns

  • That's the Neo [2T]

  • Kicking in really hard and that's better than what it was last week. So it's still a work in progress there.

  • And then more just riding along I suspect there's going to be about 10 watts off, just here at easy [pace].

  • 89w vs 99w. There you go at 10 watts difference and then

  • More riding on Swift in sim mode away from Erg, just in case Erg was a problem

  • 256 vs 263, again not within 1% of each other there and

  • maybe like let's say within 2% or 3% Still, not quite Neo 1 or Neo 2

  • accuracy that I am seeing in this particular test.

  • And then there's also the edge case where you spin the flywheel up above 40 kilometres an hour and the power

  • Starts to separate. So we've gone (if you know Zwift we've flying past Henks on the downhill)

  • 275 vs 292 for this little section here for around a minute

  • That's a big big difference there

  • But that's a known edge case where the Neo 1, Neo 2 and obviously the 2T now. Just can't hold accurate power. So gold-standard?

  • Not quite there yet.

  • I've noted a number of left/right balance issues with the

  • Calculation from the 2T as well. Now all this data is over to Tacx for review

  • But the 4 power meters the 4 independent left-right power meters that I've used

  • Don't line up with what the Neo 2t is reporting. It takes the total power splits it at a certain point

  • I don't think that point is correct. Well, it's definitely not correct for my pedaling. What that does to cycling dynamics

  • Well, it makes that data not very useful. If the left/right isn't correct with cycling dynamics, then it's no use using cycling dynamic at all.

  • So at all stay tuned for an update on that.

  • I hope.

  • That's one data set and I wish that's all there was but look

  • There's a number of rabbit holes there. And as I said, it would take me an hour or more to go through them all

  • It's been a lot of fun

  • But what happens is when the trainer is out just a little bit

  • That's when I have to question everything that I do. If the trainer is out a lot,

  • For example, it's 50 watts out at 250 watt that's easy

  • You just pack it straight up and send it back and that has occurred recently

  • This one is just out a little bit. So I was searching, and searching, and searching, but at the end of the day

  • Unboxing this and getting on the pedals wasn't what I expected wasn't up to the standard of the Neo 1 and the Neo 2

  • At this point in time with the current firmware.

  • Look and this is why I've entitled this video the initial review because we're not quite done yet

  • So, it's clear the Neo 2t does need some

  • Refinements and hopefully we'll see those ones rolled out very, very soon because I'm looking at retiring that Neo 1 that workhorse is now tired!

  • But after my experience with the 2T, I'm now tired as well!

  • Okay, in summary and wrapping this one up for today. Tacx have addressed a few of the issues

  • We've raised with the Neo 1 and the 2 that is the thru axle support

  • It's now native thru axle and the on bike ride experience, especially in regard to that virtual tire slip has been virtually eliminated. That is excellent!

  • There's just a bit of a question around the power accuracy and getting that in line with the previous models

  • Okay leaving it there for today. Thanks for watching another episode of GPLama causes training companies headaches

  • It's been quite the journey and we're not there yet. Now, where's that Neo Bike?

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