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  • - Hey, I'm Savannah.

  • I'm 25 years old.

  • I am an ex-Republican and now Democrat.

  • - Hi, my name is Kat.

  • I'm 27 years old

  • And I am an ex-Democrat,

  • who now identifies as an Independent,

  • with more conservative leanings.

  • (soft music)

  • - Where did you grow up?

  • I grew up in Northern Indiana, on the outskirts of a city,

  • I was basically in Elkhart, Indiana.

  • 30 minutes away from the Amish, from Shipshewana.

  • My house was at the end of cornfield,

  • in the middle of the woods,

  • so I grew up in a small town in the Midwest.

  • - So I grew up an island north of Seattle,

  • called Whidbey Island.

  • Yeah, it was super small,

  • our main town, Langley, is about two streets.

  • And I grew up without television,

  • so I have a little bit different background.

  • I grew up with lots of nature and the radio station.

  • When did you first learn what politics were?

  • - I think I first learned about politics

  • from my dad when I was like six or seven years old,

  • because he would make jokes.

  • He would make like, the little one line, punch line jokes,

  • about other political parties.

  • And I started learning like, oh, this will be funny,

  • and that's side's bad, and this side's good.

  • Like, my dad would never say it that plainly,

  • but you could tell from reading between the lines.

  • I actually remember being like,

  • maybe eight years old and 9/11 had just happened,

  • and I was driving with my mom,

  • we were stopping off at a fast food place,

  • and we walk in, and there was a news reporter there.

  • And they were like, "How do you feel about this?"

  • And I remember smiling,

  • 'cause my dad had made a joke about Cuba.

  • And I was like, "Yeah, I think it's good

  • "that the president is going to invade Iraq.

  • "I think he should do Cuba next."

  • 'Cause I thought it would be funny,

  • and I had no idea, I was like eight years old.

  • And so of course, they put my picture and that quote,

  • and the fact that I was eight years old,

  • on the front page of our local newspaper.

  • - So when I was younger, I really enjoyed

  • going up into my grandmother's attic

  • and totally digging through all of her artifacts.

  • Her pins, buttons, travel items, all sorts of things.

  • I noticed there was a lot

  • of conservative buttons, paraphernalia.

  • And it got me thinking,

  • how could my loving, wonderful, artistic grandmother,

  • be such a conservative supporter?

  • And on an island half-full of hippies,

  • it feels like you would be absolutely alienated

  • if you were conservative.

  • It was that little inkling when I was younger,

  • that now has blossomed into what I know now.

  • Which is that, there's something very different

  • then what we've been told.

  • - What was your political affiliation growing up?

  • My political affiliation growing up

  • was completely right-wing conservative.

  • I would say up until the age of 12, I had this strong...

  • I felt like my identity was like,

  • Christian, home-schooled, in Indiana.

  • I remember slapping campaign stickers

  • for the McCain-Palin election, all over my notebooks.

  • And just posting about it on Facebook.

  • Everyone around me where I was growing up,

  • was right-leaning.

  • Whether that be, hardcore conservative

  • or Republican libertarian.

  • That was the spectrum.

  • - So I was surrounded by Democrats,

  • my family was not too active,

  • so we were all kind of like, in that middle zone,

  • where you think everyone's a Democrat.

  • Like, that's the right thing to be,

  • and we're fed all these things by the media

  • about Republicans, so it feels not cool to be that way.

  • What made you change your mind?

  • - I think it took a few years.

  • I think that I changed my mind through teenage years

  • into early adulthood.

  • I think it really took growing up

  • and seeing other parts of the world,

  • maturing, getting out of my bubble, college moving.

  • But I think I remember the biggest thing

  • that took me out of my bubble,

  • and it was more so like, a moral standpoint.

  • Is that I started doing musical theater

  • around age 12 or 13.

  • And that started exposing me to

  • a broader sense of the community.

  • And I remember I had tons of friends who were gay, LGBTQIA.

  • It must have been the first Obama election

  • into the second election,

  • that people kept talking about marriage.

  • Marriage and civil rights with LGBT,

  • and I remember that being such a hot topic,

  • and people around me in the community,

  • were saying stuff like,

  • "Well, you can have a union, but you can't have a marriage."

  • And I was like, wait.

  • Even being like 16, I'm like,

  • that is the definition of being prejudice.

  • The political landscape around that time

  • with marriage equality and LGBT,

  • with a lot of laws being passed from the other side,

  • to suppress it, really, really, really pushed me

  • into a different direction and a different path.

  • - In the first election that I got to be a part of

  • as a voter, I really got to think about politics

  • for the first time.

  • So this was around the time when Facebook

  • was starting to really take off,

  • and I was seeing a lot of libertarian forums,

  • and different perspectives,

  • and I wondered, am I an anarchist?

  • Why do I feel like what's going politically

  • with the Democrats is not making enough change?

  • Why do I feel like there's a discordance there?

  • And so I started to explore more groups,

  • and I discovered the Green Party.

  • Which was a little bit anarchist and a little bit pro Earth,

  • and then a little bit of worker's rights,

  • which is the main thing that I'm not supporting

  • is the working class.

  • The first time I got to vote,

  • I voted for Jill Stein as a Green Party candidate,

  • when it was Mitt Romney versus Obama,

  • and I got a lot of flack for it,

  • like why would you vote Green Party?

  • What is your vote gonna do?

  • But I truly believe and I still believe

  • that your vote needs to be a vote of conscience.

  • - What does your family think about your beliefs?

  • My family definitely knows.

  • I would say take those angsty teen years,

  • when I was 17 or 18 and then when I was like,

  • I'm gonna break free from Amish town.

  • I definitely used that as a way

  • to poke and jab at my parents.

  • I would love to sit down with my family

  • and have a more mature, older conversation,

  • but being in my younger years,

  • I feel like, I've directly been told things like,

  • oh, I remember when I went to college

  • and thought I was a liberal too,

  • and then I grew up and I learned.

  • And it's like, it's so demeaning.

  • I think the older I get, and the more healed I get myself,

  • that I realize a lot of people's reflectiona

  • are projections of their own understanding.

  • - In the beginning, my family has been kind of

  • individualistic when it comes to politics.

  • Like, it's your personal matter,

  • we don't really wanna talk about it too much,

  • because it does get a little heated.

  • I think even on Facebook,

  • when I would make a lot of political posts,

  • I would have family members, who I love very dearly,

  • reach out to me and say,

  • are you sure you wanna talk about this?

  • And that's when I'm like,

  • should I even be treading on people's toes?

  • Do I wanna make my family feel like,

  • maybe I don't agree with them.

  • But yeah, overtime the shift has been

  • from me being able to express how I feel,

  • to how something will benefit all of us,

  • and so I think that's helped the conversation,

  • is how I bring it about as well.

  • I'm trying not to be so divisive.

  • I'm not so pointed.

  • I'm trying to be like, okay, I understand

  • where you're coming and that together

  • we can get to the same destination.

  • What does your party stand for?

  • - My party,

  • I feel like,

  • is going through an identity crisis.

  • The party has folded in on itself.

  • So I feel like, what I define as my party for Democrats,

  • is a little up in the air.

  • Like, media-wise the want me to say

  • it's like, caring, more sociologically involved,

  • and progressive, but at the same time,

  • I haven't seen it be.

  • Ideally, my party would stand for independence

  • and an entity that is not enchained

  • by another entity above them.

  • Ideally, my party would not be paid off by billionaires,

  • paid off by world banks, paid off by other countries,

  • paid off by lobbyists and corporations.

  • - Where I fall in the spectrum between

  • libertarian, conservative, and justice Democrat,

  • social Democrat, whatever you wanna call it,

  • is absolutely liberty.

  • It's absolutely patriotism.

  • It's healthcare, it's clean water, it's clean flood.

  • It's these basic, basic rights,

  • and then it's looking back at natural law

  • in our constitution and going back to the foundation.

  • So I feel like that structure can fit

  • into several different parties,

  • it's ultimately who is the party benefiting?

  • Is it the corporations or is it the people?

  • And so I'm all about the people

  • and any party is for the people,

  • the working class people, and our rich fellows,

  • all of the people.

  • 'Cause all of the people deserve to have equal benefit

  • from the government's labor.

  • - What do you think is the biggest

  • misconception about your political party?

  • I would say the biggest misconception about Democrats,

  • is a lot of misconceptions that are made to

  • perpetuate stereotypes.

  • Every single person is like, feel good, do-gooder,

  • that just loves to pat their own back and cry in a corner.

  • That's like, such a stereotype for Democrats.

  • To me, that's not what I've experienced.

  • I've experienced a lot of...

  • It's almost like Democrats have been associated

  • with being feminine, so it's like they're too soft,

  • they're too emotional.

  • There can be extreme courage within softness,

  • and people don't get that.

  • - The main fear I have as being more conservative now,

  • is being mistaken as a racist,

  • as a anti-human,

  • as a non-intelligent being.

  • I've heard all sorts of things about conservatives.

  • It's fascinating to hear how both sides

  • have a very warped perspective of the other,

  • by dehumanizing anyone, it just hurts yourself.

  • Like, ultimately, our end goal is unity,

  • and the more sit around and try to paint the other person

  • as an animal, the longer it's gonna take

  • to get to where we need to go.

  • And you look back in history,

  • and all the terrible things that have happened,

  • they've used dehumanizing tactics

  • to make people feel like they have a certain

  • supremacy and a privilege to believe what they do.

  • So we've got a great painted landscape of division,

  • because of the media thinking that one side is evil.

  • What is one thing you would change

  • about your political party?

  • - People pretending like they're so awake

  • and so self-aware, that they literally shoot down

  • every single person who is actually trying to help them

  • in their community.

  • There was actually a time online,

  • where I got into a small argument with a few people,

  • and out of nowhere it turned political,

  • then out of nowhere, I remember,

  • I was in like a Home Depot or some place

  • that didn't have phone signal and I was doing stuff.

  • I come out 45 minutes later,

  • and I had 100s of notifications,

  • personal messages, all this stuff.

  • They had gone back into photos of mine

  • from like 10 years ago when I was 12 years old,

  • and it was a picture of me

  • at a Sarah Palin rally in Indiana.

  • And they basically had posted it everywhere,

  • saying like, look at you, you white Republican,

  • you privileged bitch, like all this stuff.

  • And I said, "Okay, I hear you, I'm listening, let's talk."

  • And they're like, "Where's my apology?

  • "You aren't responding because you don't care."

  • And it was like, there was nothing I could

  • say, do, speak, anything, anything,

  • that would remedy the situation, any angle I would take,

  • and then on top of it I was being doxxed.

  • I was being threatened on private message,

  • and it was just insane to me,

  • because I felt like we actually deep down had similar morals

  • and on the surface, voted for the same party.

  • So it was a total mutiny

  • that was a triggered chain reaction, just by emotions.

  • It's been like five years and I still think about it.

  • I wish I didn't

  • - So for conservatives, the main thing that I would address,

  • is just understanding where the liberals are coming from.

  • Like, someone like me, who grew up on an island

  • with a radio instead of television,

  • and who was surrounded by other liberals.

  • Like, I'm not an evil person because of that.

  • And only upon my discovery of conservative values,

  • did I see that we both have

  • a warped perspective of the other.

  • And that the only reason I felt opposition

  • from conservatives, because they thought the same about me.

  • And so now at the end of it, I'm seeing, okay,

  • conservatives, I understand you think

  • the liberals are communists.

  • I know you think they're gonna take everything from you,

  • and your guns, but we actually kind of want the same things.

  • And at the end of the day, you just gotta give people time

  • to come out of the cave.

  • You gotta give them time to come from their coming from,

  • and all of us are going to the same place,

  • and I think we all need to just be on

  • an individual level first and then come to the table

  • with what we have to offer politically.

  • - What do you think about our current political climate?

  • Among the death threats, emotional labor, and everything,

  • I started seeing that there's not really any winning.

  • I think the conversations I have now politically,

  • is that this whole liberal, Republican deal, is binary,

  • and it is a purposeful, either or,

  • black and white situation, to pit people against each other.

  • So many things in politics now,

  • are just an emotional trigger on purpose,

  • to get people to vote a certain way.

  • And I think that, if you can strip away those labels,

  • and strip away those preconceived notions,

  • and talk to someone human to human being.

  • Take away jokes, take away trying to be mean,

  • any whatever adjective, and speak soul to soul,

  • that then you can start listening.

  • And I also think it's very important to ground yourself

  • and if that person wants to start ranting for an hour,

  • let them rant, they wanna go through different emotions.

  • And until they're ready to be at a grounded point

  • to actually talk, then you can listen and react

  • back and forth, respectfully.

  • - The main way I feel about this political climate,

  • is that I can not wait for it to be over.

  • And I wanna be like, beyond 2020.

  • I'm sorry, we just wasted three years

  • on this Russiagate hoax.

  • On behalf on whatever people

  • are trying to cause mayhem in our government.

  • Where's been changes on our healthcare?

  • If you really wanted a third party opponent,

  • were you out doing grassroots campaigning?

  • Like, what kind of action have we done?

  • It's sad and ultimately it's okay,

  • because it's exposing what is supposed to happen.

  • It's exposing, this is what our country is right now.

  • I'm sorry, like, it might be a big cesspool, metaphorically,

  • but Donald Trump is the pot stirrer.

  • He is stirring the pot and it needs to be stirred,

  • otherwise there would just stagnant toxicity.

  • And we would have no change in the current establishment.

  • And so whether you like Donald Trump or not,

  • he is causing there to be a reaction,

  • and we need to address the situation

  • that we really have a dilemma with,

  • which is corruption, and I think that's something

  • we can all agree on.

  • What do you think about people

  • who believe differently than you?

  • - I've been on both sides of the coin.

  • I've literally lived in Amish country,

  • Christian school, home-schooled.

  • And I literally have gone to like,

  • socialist, underground meetings,

  • underneath like, coffee shops, planning protests.

  • There are so many beliefs out there,

  • and it is so ignorant to think that you know.

  • Because you don't know what you don't even know,

  • and the older I get, the more I realize,

  • I don't even know myself.

  • There's so much out there.

  • There's just no way you know everything to a T,

  • there's just no way.

  • - I love people that think differently than me,

  • in every single way.

  • I love every single part of every person

  • that thinks differently than me.

  • And I ask myself, where do I stand,

  • and what do I have to learn from this person?

  • Because ultimately at the end of the day,

  • we all came from such different backgrounds.

  • To think that we would think the same,

  • is maniacal, it's insane.

  • My biggest struggle has been,

  • knowing that I don't know everything.

  • If we do have room to grow, it's in the room of discussion.

  • And the more we talk, the more we open ourselves

  • to a compassionate dialectic, where we're not in fear

  • of what we're gonna say is gonna get us into trouble,

  • that's where unity is.

  • Is feeling like, okay, I feel safe to be able to say,

  • hey, I think differently than you,

  • and what can you tell me to make myself maybe think,

  • hey, I have more of the picture now?

  • Because we don't have all the picture,

  • we're constantly learning.

  • Like, every single day, and until dead we're gonna learn.

  • (soft music)

- Hey, I'm Savannah.

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