And it's rapidly growing.

And I feel I have seen ever since the sixties and ever since the seventies, all the way through that we were going in that direction.

And so during the seventies I started to try to do is to put something into place so that it would, in some small way, be there when the time would come.

And I'm have to admit I have put my bets on a very, very long run things.

But I figured OK in this country.

Given this country ideas by themselves, nobody will take very seriously, certainly not if they come from a philosopher.

I mean, if you if you have the bad luck to be a philosopher, you better do something to live it down.

You've got to do something so that people, in spite of your being a philosopher, will take you as a serious person and sometimes on planes.

People say to me, You look like you could do something else.

Why you're teaching philosophy or something.

And s o.

I decided there had to be both theory and practice.

They had toe hang together.

Well, oh, it wouldn't come.

And so I continue to write.

I wrote the book on Freedom, which I think off.

It's just a foot in the door just laying the foundations.

There's lots more that's in different stages of publication and drafts close to finishing some books that will really develop in detail and from the ground up a kind of theory, but not just abstract, great, great detail of how this country could evolve into a culture that wouldn't it's not at all like socialism doesn't mean a break with capitalism, but basically is to change the way people work.

So that work would again become a kind of calling so that more and more people gradually could move in the position where they would be able to do something that they want to do something that they have a passion about and how one could do that.

Well, I felt that to make this serious, I would have to show that it was practice.

And so actually I some extend left California for many reasons.

But one reason I left California because I decided to make work my subject.

And in California, people really don't know what work is.

So I decided I'd better go back to Michigan because that was the place to work on that.

And I started at this point sequence of different projects.

Each one of them is meant to be a laboratory example illustrating how some of the abstract ideas can be put to work and how they are practical and how they're not something that will only work in the council.

But they work in the real world.

I mean, one flagrant, big factors that right now there are millions and millions of people working at jobs that are doodle jobs, Ma Roane jobs and we have found a nice word for it.

We call it now that the service sector, but basically we at this point have by some statistics six million people working in fast food and they have close to minimum wages.

Many of them are part time, and one of the worst aspect of it is that they have no place to go.

No, there's no hierarchy that they stay on the same place.

And another aspect that I've concerned myself very much with is that it's all right now to wear some kind of clown suit and work in a fast food outfit.

If you are 2024 it's a very different story if you're 34 and people now are beginning to get older and they have no place for them to go, and you can go on and on and on like that.

Now they're millions of people in retail jobs, and I think the the waste off it is what's so upsetting.

There are people with talent, people with intelligence, people who could do things that urgently need doing in this country.

But instead they have to dress up nicely every morning and basically they have to be a bait that stands in a boutique and hopes that some unsuspecting person will walk in and end up buying some useless drink.

And we have condemned people know to help millions of people to living that sort of pointless existence.

Is that what you spend?

That's why I feel work is the most crucial problem with work is what it's about.

I sort of decided that 10 years ago and that, But what needs doing that guy?

Enormous tasks know that at the moment are not being performed now.

The idiocy off what we've got, the insanity of what we've got is that we have millions now 30 40 million people, maybe working at doodle jobs, bogus jobs that really don't produce anything.

But in the meantime, we don't have highways that they don't have particles.

We don't have enough housing.

We don't have people to teach a scandal of our educational system.