Sothat's the 1st 2 groups, anotherthirdandmostsignificantgroupofpeoplewhosaythey'renotbeingofferedverymuchhelpforthegovernment, allthedirectorsorlimitedcompanieswhopaidthemselvespredominantlyby a dividends.
A pointingouttheyhavetotradeislimitedcompaniesinordertogetworkfromother, biggercosit's notsomethingthat's beingdonetomassagetaxcontributionsandsmallbusinessgroups.
ThingsofgainThioincludesomeofthoseexcludedgroupswithinthesupport's beingsojusttogiveyou a flavorofsomeofthequestionsandcomments I'vehadFTReaderare W.
Usinghisinitialsays, I cannotunderstandhowtheselfemployedGrannisfairorhowthe £50,000 castlefigurewasarrivedat.
Ifyouwerein a littleover £50,000 whichishardly a fortune, youcangojustasbrokethatsomeoneyouearned a littleunderonthatcutsoff, ofcourse, doesnotexistforthe p A y e furloughingscheme, whichcouldtechnicallypayout 2.5 £1000 a monthto p aywaystaffwhoareearningwaymorethan £50,000.
NowFCread a teamOh, anotherselfemployedperson e mailedtosayhedon't qualifyforselfemployed.
Bothofmystaffhavebeenfurloughed, but I amlefttokeepmybusinessrunningontheincomeof £96 a week, whichisthattheamountthatyoucangetthroughuniversalcreditwillstatutorysickpay, hesays.
Essentially, there's nomovementthat I canreportbacktoyouononlydirectorsoflimitedcompanies.
Asthingsstandwth, e ftunderstandsthatmuch.
Thisboilsdowntothecomplexityofseparatingdividendsthatsomebodywouldreceivefromtheircompanyfromdividendsthattheymightreceivemotherinvestmentslikesharesin B P.
Thisis a pointthatMartinLewis, themoneysavingexpert's picksup, andhe's beenarguingtodaythatthegovernmentshouldconsiderthat a tweakthatrequirementforlimitedcompanydirectorstodistancethemselvesfromthebusiness.
Now, MartinLewissays a tweettotheguidancecouldallowlimitedcompanydirectorstocontinuetocommunicatewiththeirclientsandgetworkreadyforwhenthey'refurloughendssothattheycanrestartthatspeed.
I'm sureeveryoneagreethatiswhattheeconomyneeds.
Sothiswholetopic, as I'm sureyouwillimagine, hasgenerated a hugeamountofreedofdebate, andit's alsogeneratedsomedirectquestions.
So I'm goingtostartofftodaywith a questionfromFT.
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Ifyouwanttoask a question, eitherputitonthebottomofthearticleorwriteintheYouTubecommentsandthatwillgetsenttome.
I'lldomybesttoanswerit.
Solet's startoffwithjobs.
SoJoesays, I run a smallbusiness, Claire, butmycommerciallandlordinsistsonchargingus 100 ofourrent, eventhoughourbuildingisclose.
Andalsolookatthesituationwithwhererentsarelikelytogointheeventof a recession.
I'vebeenreportingonthecommercialpropertymarketformorethan 20 years, and I cantellyouit's seenas a recessionbitestraversingtostartfallingourcommercialrents.
Normally, ifthereis a rentsuspensionclausespecifiedinyourlease, itwillbetodowithsomething.
Mike, youknow, a catastrophicfailureofpowerinthebuildingorfloodorfireorsomethinglikethat.
Similartermsandconditions, infact, tobusinessinterruptioninsurance, whichallkindsofbusinessesoffindingjustwon't payouteitherundertheCoronavirussowell, theycan't gobacktoyourleaseandsay, Contractually, I feelwe'renotobligedtopay.
Negotiatingclearlyisintheinterestsofbothparties.
Ifyoucantryanddo a deal, and I wouldlovetohearfromanyreadersouttherewhohavebethestartingnegotiationswithwithlandlordsortryingtodothat, letusknowhowyougotonnow, um, another, um, a groupofpeoplewhohavegotintouchwithsomecommentsoftheoverfifties.
NowTheoFT.
Demographicallyhaslotsofreadersovertheageof 50 on.
Soonereader, sensiblequestions, saysFormanypeople, yourage 50 plus, you'vebeenemployeesthe 30 yearsandhavepaidhugetaxesintheirlifesignsit's virtuallyimpossibletoget a fulltime p a y e jo, sothey'reforcedintoselfemployment.
Tolimittheirliabilityratherthantopaylesstaxthanperhapsuse a companyistheirselfemploymentcontract.
Er, I'vegotanothercommentherefromtheferrymanwhosaysherunshisownlimitedcompany.
Puttingforwardprettycomprehensiveargumentstosay, Ifyoudonothingandletthissituationpersists, thenlotsandlotsofpeoplearegonnabeleftafterpopulaceisgonnacreate a bigproblemswiththisparticularindustry.
Somaybethere's anindustrylobbygroup, obviously, inthe F D willcontinuetowriteandtalkaboutthesematters.
I justgotthestatutoryminimumpaymentandnooptionsforfurlough.
Somovingtowardssettingupis a freelancerandbeingselfemployedinthedataslashfintechspaceOrthereanygovernmentschemesouttheretohelpthosewhoaretryingtostartsmallcompaniesrightnow.
Interestingthatyoushouldsaythat, Chris, becausesmallstartupstherewas a storyonftdotcomthismorning, which I tweetoutonmeafter I finishthisthisnewtobroadcastIfyoucan't findittalkingabouthowthestartupeconomyisjustgonnabechangedbeyondrecognitionbythiscrisis, Um, certainly, withsmallerstartsupcompaniesthathaveinvestors, thoseinvestorsthatinvariablygonnabetappedformorecash.
Butforsomebodyinyoursituation, ifweweretalkingaboutthisyouknow, threemonthsago, sixmonthsago, beforetheCoronaviruscrisissaidthathappenedthenyouknow, youmighthavelookedThiocrowdfundingplatformsrefute a brilliantidea.
Governmentdidpublishsomeguidanceovertheweekendsayingthatif a companywasgonnaletyougowastorehireyouagain.
Thentheycouldapplytothenfurloughyourpaythroughthe P a Y 80% schemenowinpracticeagain, I'm happysayyourcommentsonthis, Buttomymind, itdoesn't reallysoundlikesomethingthat a lotofcompaniesthey'regonnawanttodogothroughthehassleofcontactingpeople.
Again, I willtweetoutthelinkstothegovernmentguidancepageonthissuggestionthat a previousemployercouldtakebackon a memberofstaffofthehead, letgoandthenapplytofurloughthem.
Thatlotsofreadersoffindingyou'vebeen e mailingmeinisthatifyouhavesavingsofmorethan £16,000 eitheryourselforinpartnershipwithsomebodywhoyoulivewith a couple, thenyou'renoteligibletoclaim.
Thiorespondsto e mailsfrompeoplewhomightwantto, youknow, toseewhatfromyourcompanyordealingwithcreditorsortryingtodealwithsupply.
It's whichis a reallybigproblemforlotsofthemlimitedcompanydirectorsheresourgentlyseekinghelpbecausethey'vestillgottomaintain a lotoftheexpensesoftheirbusiness.
Um, sointimesofthespecificsofwhatadministratesisinstatutorydoseesmeanstherewas a littlebitofextrainformationthatpoppeduponthehmrcwebpage, Whichagain, or I'lltweetoutafterthissessiongoes, goesupthere, whichwasspellingoutthatiftherewasmorethanonedirector, peoplehavetovotetomakesurethatthedirectorhewasfurloughedunderstoodwhattheirdiminishedresponsibilitieswouldbe.
Butifit's justyou, ifyou're a sailor, a companydirector, then I doappreciateit.
Actually, no, They'realloftheserulesthatthetreasuryishadtwoverybravelytryandnegotiatewithcreatingthesedifferentschemes, and I thinkthatoneofthebiggestproblemsforthemwiththedirectordividend, Um, ifyouisthatitkindoffallsintothebucketoftoocomplicatednow, Asweweresayingearlieronyourtaxreturn, Thespacethatyougettodeclareyourdividendsisthetotaloffanydividendsthatyou'veseenfrom, likesharesthatyoumighthappentoholdondividendincomeyoureceivedfromyourowncompany.
Andyoumaynotbetheonlydirector.
Theremaybeotherdirectorswhoweregettingsliceoffthatdividendincome, sothesolutionforthatis, whilethegovernmentcan't know a toplevel, whatthat's is, yourcountercouldtellthem.
Verynicehouseingovernment, whichhasbusinessratesof £83,000 a yearbeforeratereliefkicksin.
So I donotget a businessrates.
MellieGrant.
I amthesoledirectionwithmycompany, so I donotqualifyforhelpthat I havebeentoldthereisnohelpavailablefromthegovernment.
IsthereanyhelpforSeouldirectorspayingmore, Um, in 51,000 onbusinessrates?
Well, Danny, aswewerediscussingearlieron, I mean, theonlyhelpthatsouldirectorsarecomingyoucanlegitimatelyclaimisunderthejobretentionskiing.
Theycouldfurloughthemselvesthe p A y e elementoftheirpages, normallyaround 708 £100 a month, becausethat's whereaccountantsstructurethingssothatyouhave a smallincomecomingineverymonthandspokebelowthepersonalallowance.
Okay, onefinalquestionherefromSam, which I willaskhim, That's likeanyreallygoodonescominginthenextfewminutes, Soundsays.
I workedas a consultantthroughLucyCompany, which I'm thesoledirector, or I paymyself a mixtureofdividendsandsalaryfromthelimitedcompany.
Sincethetravelban, I'venotbeenabletotraveltoconsultonprojectsresultingin a completelossofallcontractsandincomeuntilcountriesliftrestrictionsonmyentitledtothegrantpaidtotheselfemployedbaseball.
Firstly, eventhougheverysinglelimitedcompanydirectorinyoursituationwhospeaksThioclassifiesthemselves, youknow, kindofspiritually, youcouldsay a selfemployed, technicallyisthedirectorof a limitedcompany.
You'renoteligibleforthegovernment's selfemployedsteambecauseyouhave a mixtureof P A wayondiffidence, whichwouldtakeyourincomefromthreecompanies.
Saytheydefineselfemployed.
A speakofyoursoultraders.
Wecouldn't taxreturnquitesimpletaxaffairs, soyou'renotentitledtoanythingundertheselfemployedscheme, however, the P A y e elementofyourPerry, youcouldtechnicallyapplytofurtheryourselfunderthegovernor's jobretentionscheme, wherebyyoucanget 80% offyourpayforthreemonths.
Butitwouldbethatsmallelementyouclassifyis P A Y E.
Speaktoaccountantandseehowmuchthatwouldbe, whetheryouthinkit's worthwhiledoingokay, well, I thinkthatisjustaboutitquestionsinthemeantime, so I'm gonnawrapupfortheday.
It's alwaysreally, reallylovelytohearfromFTreaders, eventhoughmanyofyoumanyofyouarein a positionofcrisisatthemoment.
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