Still, it's a complicatedsystembeingworkingaswellonthePatriotonreplacement.
That's lookingreallygood.
I wouldsay I metwiththedeveloperthisweek.
Um, we'rehoping, Well, we'rehopingtohavesomeofitfunctionalbyApril 1st, andthey'llbe a littlebitmoreinformationaboutthatavailableactonApril 1st.
Um, I have a talkinNewYorkonApril 17thattheBeaconTheater.
I thinkit's soldout.
I have a talkonApril 19thattheSonyCenterinTorontowithSlavaJack, who's probablytheworld's mostfamousMarxistphilosopher, andsothatshouldbeinterestingandchallengingandhopefullyproductive.
What's happeninginOctoberisthat I'm goingtoCambridgeUniversityintheUKfortwomonths, and I'm goingtobe a visitingfellowthereattheDivinityschool, andthatshouldgivemeanopportunitytotalktoreligiousexpertsofalltypesfor a coupleofmonthsaswellasstudents.
Andtheplanatthemomentistodothatatthesametimethat I startrecordingthelecturesonExodus.
So, um, I figured I couldkilltwobirdswithonestone.
Thatway I couldstartthebiblicallecturesagain, which I'm reallylookingforwardtoonalsoupdatemybiblicalknowledgesubstantiallyaswellashavingtheopportunitytospendsometimeinCambridge, which I thinkwouldbereallyexciting.
I wasthere a littlebitthissummer, andit's knownabsolutelybeautifuluniversity.
Andit's quite a thrillforsomeonewho's academicallymindedtobetobetheirperiod, butalsotobeinvitedthere, too, tositinandparticipatefor a coupleofmonths.
Andsoanyways, maybe I couldget 10 orsolecturesoutinthatperiodoftime.
Let's sayif I didone a week, I'm notexactlysurehow I'm goingtodoit.
If I'm gonnarent a publictheaterlike I didinToronto, I thinkthat's probablytheplanbutanywaysassumeOctoberNovember.
That's theThat's theplanAtthemoment.
What I'm tryingtoconcentrateonrightnowisfinishingmynewbook, whichhas a relativelysuddenor, youknow, relatively.
Ithas a duedatethat's intherelativelyrecentfuture.
Andso I liketostayontopofthosethings.
It's easytogetbehindwhenyou'rewriting a bookandtorushitandtodoitbadly.
I thinkoneofthemostworthwhilethings I'vedoneinmyacademiccareerwasthatSirisonGenesisand I learned a tremendousamount.
Andso I'm assumingthesamethingwillhappenwiththeexodusstories, which I knowbetter.
Uh, sothatshouldbeslightlyeasieronmefrom a rateoflearningperspectiveandhopefully I'llbeabletogodeeperbecausetheyarereallyremarkablestories.
So I'vealsobeenstruckbythe, youknow, thereceptiontothosebiblicalstories.
I'vereceived a subsistencesurprisingnumber, forexample, off a surprisingnumber, forexample, oflettersfromIslamicviewerswho'vebeenwatchingthem, andthelettershavebeenverypositive.
Andsothat's That's mademethinkveryhardabouttheoverallpotentialeffectofdelineatingthemeaningofalltheseoldstoriesthat I thinkthattothedegreethatwewanttopreserveTheaunderstructureofourculture, and I regardthatasgroundedinJudeoChristiantraditionvery, veryfirmlyaswellasothertraditions.
Howcan I teachmyChildrenthebiblicalstoriesin a productivewaywithoutthedogmaorlittleandliteralinterpretationoforganizedreligion?
Well, that's anunbelievablycomplicatedproblem, and I actuallydon't knowtheanswertoit.
I'm notsurethat I did a particularlygoodjobofteachingmyChildrenthebiblicalstoriesin a productiveway, withoutthedogmaorliteralinterpretationoforganizedreligion.
And I thinkthatyoucouldstartbyjustreadingthemthestories.
Buttherearealsobiblicaltranslationsavailablethatputthestory's outinproseformanddo a prettygoodjobofeditingoutthegeologicalmaterialandtheotherthingsthatmightnotbesowhatmightnotcapturetheimaginationofChildrenparticularly?
Well, I can't thinkofanybetterwayofdoingitthanjustreadingthestoriestothem, andperhapstothedegreethatit's possibletodiscussthemandseeifthatworks.
Maybeit'llwork.
Maybeitwon't mean I didn't takemykidstochurch, youknow, um, havingstoppedattending, reallywhen I was 13 and I havemyreasonsfornotattending.
Maybethey'regoodandmaybethey'renot.
I verybackandforthwiththat.
Um, oneofthedownsidesofthatwasthattheydidn't developthesamefamiliaritywiththestoriesthat I havedevelopedwhen I was a kid, because I didn't gotochurchfairlyregularlyuntil I was 13.
Andit's it's definitely a loss.
Um, mycynicismaboutchurchorganizationsincecynicism, I don't knowwhatitisexactly.
Well, I didn't domyChildren's educationonthebiblicalfrontanygood.
Andit's reallyverypejorative, demeaning, um, thoughtless, prejudiced, and I wouldsaycruelallatonce, becausethefirstassumptionisthatyouknow, I'm talkingprimarilytoangrywhiteyoungman, andtherecertainlyisn't a lotofevidenceforthat, I wouldsaytheaverageageofthepeopleinmyaudiencesthirties, andthat's notexactlyyoung.
Andthen I wouldsay, Well, it's a least 30% womenandthat's beingincreasingasthebookhassoldmore.
Andyouknow, thereasonitwasmenprimarilytobeginwith, I think, isbecause, well, therearemanymenstarvingforencouragingvoiceandalsothefactthatYouTube, whichiswhere I pickedupmyprimaryaudiencetobeginwith, skewsabout 80 20 maletofemaleintermsofitsviewership, whichreallydoesn't haveanythingtodowithme, right?
That's just, uh, whatdoyoucallthat?
That's a baselinephenomenonthathastobetakenintophenomenonthathastobetakenintoaccountbeforeyoumakeanybeforeyoudrawanyconclusionsaboutthenatureofsomeone's audience.
I mean, donowandthen, through a criticalcommentortwoout a boat, themannerinwhichthisstrangeallianceofpostmodernismandandneoMarxismhasbeendominatingtheuniversity.
But I thinkthat's perfectlyreasonablethingtopointout.
Youknow, I thinkit's partlybecausealmosteverythingthattheclassicmediacovershastobepoliticized.
And I wason a show, forexample, called Q and A inAustralianshow, whichwas, It's theirbiggestpoliticalshow.
It's modeledononeinthe U.
K, whichisalsoquitebig, whichareItwasalsoon a whileback, andeveryissueimmediatelybecomesdiscussedamongpolarizedpoliticallines.
It's a Ziff.
Ourdiscoursehasdegeneratedtothepointwheretheonlypossibleresponseto a questionaboutanythingimportanthastobeideological, soleftorright, andithastobepolitical.
Andso I thinkpartoftheproblemisperhapsthatthephenomenonthatconstitutestheattendanceatmylecturesdoesn't fitthestandardnewsmedianarrative, whichisdrivenbyjournalists.
I thinkwhohadpoliticalambitionsfundamentallyorstillhavepoliticalambitionsofonesortoranother, andwhotendtoviewworldleethrough a politicallens.
Butforme, theexperienceofmylecturesisactuallyonunbelievablypositiveoneandnotparticularlystressful, likeit's nowherenear a stressfulasalmostanyinterview I havewithalmostanyjournalist, becauseagainthingsgetpoliticizedveryrapidly.
Andsoit's verywelcomingatmosphere, and I gettotalktothemfor 70 minutesaboutsomepsychologicalproblem, I wouldsayoftenassociatedwithoneofthechaptersinmybook.
Likewhatitmeanstowhat?
What a humancompetencehierarchymightlooklike, say, if I wastalkingaboutChapterone, becausewedoorganizehierarchies, humanbeings, naturallyorganizedhierarchies, likeotheranimalsdo.
Butwetendtoorganizehierarchiestoachievevaluablegoals, youknow, valuableinthattheirgoalsthatpeopleassumewouldbeusefullyachievedtodecreasethesomeamountofsufferingintheworld, ormaybetobringhappinesstopeopleare a bitofluxuryorsomething, generallysomethingof a leastlimiteduseandoftenfarmorethanlimited.
Youknow, when I talktopeopleaboutthefactthatthebestwaytomakeprogressinhumanhierarchyhasnothingtodowithpowerbuteverythingtodowithreciprocityandresponsibility?
I justreadthisorwatchthisreallycoolTedtalk.
Thinkitwas a TedtalkbyfriendsDowall f r A N s d e w a l Andhestudiedpoliticalbehaviorinchimpanzees, so I wish I hadthe, um, the U R L fort.
Maybesomebodycanpostthatiftheywould.
ButoneofthethingsthattheWallpointedoutwasthatthemostempathicchimpanzeesin a chimpanzeetroupeareactuallythedominant, themostdominantmales.
Becausehopefullywhenweorganizeourhierarchiesandwe'reattemptingtosolvecomplexproblemsbysettingup a hierarchythatallowsforcompetitionandcooperation, thatthehierarchyorganizesitselfsothatthemostcompetentpeoplerisetothetop.
And I actuallythinkthatgenerallyspeaking, that's trueintheselectionprocessisn't perfect.
Ifwe'retryingtosolvecomplexproblemsthatthemostconfidentpeoplearetheonesthathavetheopportunitytorisetothetop, and I actuallythinkwedo a damngoodjobofthatintheWest.
Whichiswhy I, almosteverythingthatwedointheWest, worksby.
Everythingisreliableandwhythepower's alwayson.
Andwhyareelectronictechnologyworks?
Whyaresocietyingeneralworks?
Youcanbecynicalaboutthatifyouwant, but I don't I knowwhatyouwouldcomparethefunctionalityofoursocietiesto, becausethingsarewaybetterthantheywere 150 yearsago.
They'regettingbetter, very, veryrapidlyasWesternideasofproductionandprivatepropertyandonhonestyandintegrity, I wouldsayaswellspreadaroundtheworld, especiallynowthatthemoreradicalsocialistideasthatwerepushedbypeopleliketheSovietshavehavedeclined, atleasttosomedegreesincethecollapseoftheSovietUnion.
Theoldestideainsomesensethatyouknowthatthere's a relationshipbetweenlogos, whichistruthfulspeechandcommunicationandbringingthingsintobeingfromchaoticpotential.
I pointoutthat a tremendousahthatthegamesthatyouhaveinyourlife, theethicalaimsandthoseairtheaimsthatdirectyouractionsalsodirectyourperceptionsthatthisistrueat a neurophysiologicallevelandthatmuchofthewaythattheworldmanifestsitselftoyouis a consequenceofthestructureofyourethics.
Andoneofthethingsthatthatsuggestsand I ownblindthisinRulesixisthatiftheworldlookstoyoulike a dismalandterribleplaceandyou'renihilisticanddepressedandhopelessandallofthat, I mean, therecouldbephysiologicalreasonsforthatyoumightbeill.
Butifit's a psychologicalissue, it's certainlypossiblethatatleastpartofthereasonthateverythingappearstoyouinthatlightisbecauseyourethicalstructureisnotwellformulated.
It's incoherent.
It's nihilistic.
Itisn't predicatedontheidea, forexample, thatpeoplehavesomesomesparkofdivinevirtueandthateveryoneisvaluableinthatrightandthatweallhavethepossibilitytomake a genuinecontributiontotheworld.
Oritneedstostopitfromdegeneratinganymorethanithastointo a kindofhell.
So, anyways, that's a verylonganswertothatquestion.
Butitis.
See, it's sointerestingtomethatthejournalistswhointerviewmehavenocuriosityaboutwhyitisthat, um, somanypeoplearecomingtowatchmylecturesstate.
I Everytime I goonstageandthere's 3500 peoplethere, I'm curiousaboutwhythey'rethere.
Andsowehave a discussionaboutallthesethingsthat I'vebeentalkingabouthim.
I cantellyoutwothattheonethingthatreallybringsthehostdeadsilence, whichisverymuchworthpayingattentionto, isthediscussion.
Anytime I have a discussionabouttherelationshipbetweenresponsibilityandmeaning, youknow, becauseoneofthefundamentalthesisof 12 Rulesforlifeandalsoofmapsofmeaning, isthatbecauselifeisessentiallytragicinitsfundamentalessence, youneed a sustainingmeaningthat's deepandprofoundanddeepandprofoundenoughtogetyouthroughbadtimesbecausetherewillbeverybadtimesinyourlifewillbedeathandthey'llbeillnessandthey'llbedisappointmentofofallsorts.
Andyoureallymusthavesomethingthat's profoundandpowerfultosetupagainstthat, and I thinkthatyourvoluntaryadoptionofthestruggletoimprovebeingistheproperandtwodon't tothatandthat, andthatthebestwaytodothatistoliveresponsiblyandtruthfully.
I trulybelievethat.
And I thinkthatpeopleknowthis, youknow, becausewhen I talkedtomyaudienceisaboutexactlythisaboutwhotheyadmire.
Andyouwantpeoplewhoarecapableofbeingresponsibleforthemselvesandtotakecareofthemselvesproperlyisiftheymatteras a moralduty, andthenyoualsowantpeoplewhohaveextendedthemselvespastthatsothattheycantakecareoftheirfamilyandregardthatas a nobleandappropriateenterpriseandwhoarereliablefortheirChildrenandfortheirhusbandsandwives.
As a consequence, merelytryingtojustspeakthetruthornotliehashad a hugeeffectonmanyofthepeoplethat I'vetalktoit.
It's not a simplethingtodo, youknow, andit's a riskythingbecausetheconsequencesofspeakingthetruthintheshortterm, especiallyifyou'renotverypracticedoutitcanbequitedevastating, whichis, ofcourse, whypeopledon't doit.
Youknow, becauseit's quitewelldemandingallthattravelingandallthatthinking, becauseeachofthelecturesisdifferent, atleasttothedegreethat I couldmakeit.
Butthey'resopositive.
It's soexcitingat a fundamentalleveltoseepeoplewanttoengageinseriousdialogueofthatsort, thatit's unbelievablysustaining.
Let's callitthatitmakesupfortheenergyuse.
Australiatiredmeout.
I think I maybediddo a bittoomuchtravelingaroundand, youknow, thereweresomeotherissuesinmyfamilythathadtobedealtwithinJanuaryandMarchthatwerequiteserious.
Andsothatwasanotherissue, thatitwasdraining.
Let's say, But I'lltellyoubothmywifeand I amDaveRubin, too, andandmytourmanager, John O'Connell, who's being a reallygoodguy.
AndyoucouldthinkofGodinthatsenseas a personalitythatperhaps a personalitythatyou'retryingtomimicbecauseofvaluestructureactuallyconstitutes a personalitythatyou'retryingtoactoutormimic.
It's oneofthewonderfulthingsthatcanhappenwhilein a marriage, butalsowhenyouhaveChildren, youwannalikethepeopleyou'rearound.
Youwanttolovethem.
Youwanttosupportthemwhenthey'rehaving a hardtimeandviceversussoyouwanttomakeyourthevesselinwhichyourfamily's ensconcedwatertightendandcapableofwithstandingstorms.
youknow, I thinkit's inRulenine, whichisassumedthatthepersonyou'relisteningtoknowssomethingthatyoudon't that I outlined a numberofdifferentconversationaltypes.
That's where I have a pointofviewandyouhave a pointofviewandweengagein a powerdispute, especiallyessentially a dominancedisputewherethegoalisforoneofthepositionstocomeoutontopandwin.
Andthenthere's anotherconversationwherethegoalistoexplore a problemandtocometo a jointtojointlyfurthertheunderstandingofthatproblem.
And I wouldsaythatthat's howyoubalancemakingpeaceandspeakingThetruthinintimaterelationshipsisthatyouknowthefirstthingyouhavetodoiswhatyouhavetohave, Ah, conversationaboutjustexactlywhattheproblemis.
Andthatmighttake a longtimeand a lotoflistening, becausewhenpeopleareupsetaboutsomething, theydon't alwaysknowwhatitisthatthey'reupsetabout, andwhatthey'reupsetaboutmightbeassociatedwith 100 otherthingsthatthey'reupsetabout, thattheyhavenotdealtwith.
You'regonnalistenin a waythat's aimingatthathighergood, whichismutualpieceamongstthemembersofthecommunity, somethingthat I learned, forexample, fromJeanPierre J.
Hecalledthataninkwellabradedstateandcelebratedstateislike a gamethateveryonewantstoplay.
Andsoifyousetyourhouseholdupproperly, thenit's a gamethateverybodyisparticipatinginvoluntarily.
Bytheway, Vincent, iftheconversationcontinues, youknowwhenwhenweusedtositdownforfamilymeetingswhichhappenedon a bimonthlybasis, somethinglikethatonceeverytwomonths, whenwereturntodoit, divideupeconomicandpracticaldutiesamongstmywifeenough, And I andthekids, wehadsomerulesandtheruleswerewell, youknow, there's a certainnumberofthingsthathavetobedoneinthehousetokeepitrunningin a mannerthatanyonewithanysensewouldwantittorun.
Um, maybeSometimeswhenyou'renegotiatingsomethingthat's difficult, youhavetooffertheotherpersontheopportunitytosleepontheirdecisiontothatwhich I thinkisoften a verygoodidea.
Andyoucanoftenbemoresolidormoredoubtfulabout a decisionifyousleeponit.
Sosothat's good.
That's a goodquestion, VincentDansays.
I havemanyfriendsbutfeellonelyfromoutsideofMrPopular.
Yeteverysinglefriendshipfeelshallow.
Howtotransitiontofewercloserfriends.
Well, it's hardtosay, Dan, because I don't knowthespecificsofyoursituation, andyousoundlikeanextrovertedpersonandextrovertedpeopleliketobeinthecenterof a largegroupofpeopleand, youknow, theylikepartiesandtheyliketotelljokes, andthey'reenergizedbysocialinteractions, andsotheycanhave a fairlylargegroupoffriendsthatwheretheirattentionisspreadacrossmanypeople.
Because a fairbitofdepthofhumaninteractioncomesas a consequenceoflongtermcommittedrelationships, rightwithyourwifeoryourhusbandoryourparentsoryoursiblingsoryourChildren?
Andso I wouldsaythattruedepthinrelationshipisgenerallytobefoundwithinfamily.
Andsoitmaybethatyouneedtofindsomeactivitiesthatyoufeelourprofoundonyourownandfindpeoplethatyoucansharethemwith, because a fairbitoffriendshipisinfact, theengagementinsharedactivity.
And I thinkthat's necessarybecause I thinkthat a fairbitoffriendshipapartfromyouknow, thepartthat's amusementandfun, whichisimportant, is a consequenceoftheprofundityofsharedactivities.
Andsoyoumightwanttoaskyourself, youknow, areyoudoinganythingwithanyonethatyouregardisimportantAndandthentheotherthing I wouldaskis, Well, youknow, doyouhave a newassortmentofintimaterelationships.
Doyouhave a partner, a wifeorhusband?
YouhaveChildren.
I don't knowhowoldyouarebecauseareyouspendingenoughtimeattendingtoyourparentsandyoursiblingsandtokeepthoserelationshipsalivewithholidaysandwithvisitsandthatsortofthing?
I mean, I knowthatoneofthethingsthat I knowsomepeopleinthecomicsindustry, comicbookindustry, and I knowthat, um, thesuperherotypesthathavebeenputforwardtomanifest a diversityagendahavegenerallybeingcolossalfailures, andthattendstobethecaseattheboxofficeiswellandsolook, here's somethingthat I thinkisuniversallytrue.
Assoonasyousubvertartand I wouldregardmoviesasart.
They're a formofliterature, andtheycouldbe a veryprofoundformofliterature.
Butevenifthey'renot, evenifthey're, youknow, like a ah, wellpacedandwellwrittenactionthriller, ifthestorywhichistheartinthemoviepartoftheartinthemovie, ifthestoryissubvertedto a politicalagenda, thenit's goingtobepunishedforthatattheboxofficebecausenoone, exceptfortheoddacolyte, isgoingtobetheleastbithappywiththat.
Thethemoralofthestoryshouldbestampedonthestoryrightfromthebeginning, becausewhatyouhavethenisnot, aren't youhavepropaganda, andwhenpeopleareouttosee a movieortowatchsomethingontelevisionthathasanartisticOh a fundamentalartisticnature.
Youknow, there's there's nopropagandathatcancompetewith a goodstory.
So, uh, I thinkit'llburnitselfout.
Whohereis a simpleone?
Whatisthesoultoyou?
That's a hardquestion.
I wouldsay, liketheologically a soulisthataspectofthehuman, thataspectofhumanbeingthat's akintodivinitythat's madeintheimageofGod.
Andsoand I thinkthatthat's a very, veryimportantconcept.
I don't think a societycansurvive.
I don't thinkthatyoucansurvive a relationshipwithyourself.
I don't thinkyoucanhave a relationshipwithanotherperson, and I don't think a societycanorganizeitselfin a productiveandsustainableandpeacefulmannerwithoutthatideaasthecoreidea.
And I wouldsaythatthat's verytightlyassociatedwithwhatmorningpeopledescribeasconsciousness, andthere's moretoitthanconsciousnessbecauseit's alsocharacter.
But I wouldsaycharacteris a manifestationofconsciousness.
Whatconsciousnessdoes, asfaras I cantell, isconfrontunformedpotential.
Thisispartlywhy I thinkit's improper.
I'm writing a fairbitaboutthisrightnowinmynewbook, WhyIt's ImpropertoThinkofpeopleasdeterministicyourdeterministic.
Onceyou'veestablished a habitandyou'vepracticedsomethingfor a verylongperiodoftime, youyoubecomemoredeterministicinyouractionsbecauseyou'reexpertoutreacting.
Butmostofthetime, muchofthetime, whatyouconfrontisthechangingfuture, thefutureofpotentialright, andit's it's like a it's like a placeofmultiplepathwaysandyourconsciousnessisthatpartofyouthatconfrontsthosemultiplepathwaysanddecideswhichonetowalkdown?
Anditdoessoaccordingtoitsethic.
Wetalkedearlieraboutthefactthatyouneed a valuehierarchy.
It's inevitablethatyouhave a valuehierarchyandthatyoulookattheworldthroughitandthatitshouldbewellstructured.
Andthereshouldbesomethingofdivineimportanceatthetop, I wouldsayWhatshouldoccupythetoppositionistherealization, forexample, thateachpersonisofdivinevalueandthatthemostappropriatewayofinteractingwithpotentialisbyembodyingandspeakingthetruth.
That's not a badwayofbrieflyconceptualizingwhatmightbeatthehighestpinnacleofthevaluestructurean