there's incentive to try something new: using tactics,

new weapons, new targets

and, in this case, we have this live-streaming.”

“Facebook and Twitter frantically trying to pull this down.

I think that was part of the panic

that this person wanted to inspire,

and that is a different dimension than one

that we've seen previously.”

“And, of course, that heightens the drama of the events.

It also heightens the worldwide interest

in a case such as this, which is

exactly what the perpetrator wants.”

“Terrorism needs an audience. Without the message

alongside the violence,

it's not terrorism.”

“They want the world to know why they're

doing what they're doing.”

“Having that live audience there with them

and seeing the messages coming through

might have been one way of sort

of sustaining his motivation right the way through.”

“There have been multiple murders, suicides,

sexual assaults that have been live-streamed on Facebook.

And the real concern, especially when you're

looking at a mass shooting, a mass atrocity,

is the social contagion aspect of it.”

“This is a way, in a sense, to use the social media

to transmit an extremist virus throughout the global sphere.”

“It is to cause more turmoil after their attacks, try

to attract more people to doing similar type of things.”

“But the other sense of the contagion

is also just the secondary trauma

that this is going to subject anybody who sees it to.

A kid can witness things that a person who might have

fought in a war would have never seen.”

“This law that we have, Section 230 of the Communications Decency

Act, pretty much carves out this immunity for the tech

industry that the only parallel I

can see to it in any other sense

is the firearms industry.

So, with both of those industries,

we have engaged in the same rhetoric that says,

You have neutral tools and we're not

going to hold you accountable, even

for the most atrocious and predictable things

that people will do with your tools.”

“Terrorism is a sort of a public health problem, right?

If there's organizations or industries

that are contributing to a public health problem,

typically they end up getting regulated

and they end up getting fined if they

step outside of those regulations that

have been set up.

And I think that this particular space

should be treated no differently

than anything else that's causing public health problems.”

“But it's going to take a political will

to make a difference in terms of the mass murders.

It's going to take a corporate conscience that

says that the control of the social media propagation

is as important as the bottom line.”