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Hey it’s Marie Forleo, and you are watching MarieTV - the PLACE to BE to create a business
and life you love. And this is Q&A Tuesday except it’s not a normal Q&A Tuesday. This
is very special, because I am not answering the question on this Q&A Tuesday.
Is my very dear friend who also happens to be a New York Times bestselling author of
this amazing book called I Will Teach You To Be Rich. And my dear friend is Ramit Sethi.
Ramit, thank you so much for being here.
Thanks for having me.
Today’s question comes from Alexandra and she writes.
“I love watching your videos and I find them very inspirational! I own a real estate
virtual assistant company that’s fairly new.
I recently watched your pricing video and I’d love to hear more. I charge per hour
for most jobs ($15 an hour) and I have a hard time raising that price for a few reasons....
1. realtors don’t want to pay too much for a VA.... 2. I’ve had the same price for
the past year and raising it now might be tough. The agents I currently work with already
understand how valuable a VA can be.
My question is, do I raise my prices and risk losing clients? Or grandfather the old clients
in and raise the prices for the newer clients? As an entrepreneur, I’m working 7am to 2am
on most days to keep up with the work while building the business and I don’t have the
funds to show for it.
I am at a crossroads where I think I might have to decide, as you mentioned in the video,
fewer clients but higher income or a lot of clients and lower income. Any advice on this
kind of situation? Thank you so much!”
So Ramit, what do you got to say about that?
I think it’s a classic problem that entrepreneurs have where we believe if we raise prices everyone
will just desert us, and that’s just not the case. What we’re doing is we’re making
a lot of assumptions when we think that. We think that we’re going to walk into our
clients, throw a piece of paper at them, and say, “I’m tripling my prices! Pay me or
leave!” And that’s not the way you raise your prices. Right?
Right.
And also, pricing is strategic. If you’re charging $15 an hour and you’re working
7 days a week and your business is not where it is, there’s something wrong. And I can
tell you that your pricing is probably very, very low. Because you can hire a high school
student for $15 an hour.
Right.
If you know the realtor market, you should be able to charge more if you can properly
convey your value.
Ok, well this is huge. And I think you just hit the nail on the head about properly conveying
one’s value. And this is where I think Alexandra is really struggling. So it’s a mindset
belief but also she doesn't have the tactics or the strategy to move ahead.
Right. Imagine... let’s put ourselves in the mind of a new mother. Ok? Let’s go on
a quick little journey. So you’re a brand new mother and you have this beautiful 2 day
old son and you wanna take some portraits with you and your new son. So who do you wanna
hire? Do you wanna hire John Jones who charges $200 flat? And he takes pictures of babies,
horses, and tables. Or do you wanna hire Mr. Richard Millington who only takes photos of
newborn babies between the ages of 1 day and 1 week? He charges $1,000 but he has a beautiful
portfolio and he can capture that moment for the rest of your life. And, by the way, he
charges $1,500.
Oh my God. So, of course, number 2 because you want the person who’s specialized.
Price, at that point when he’s conveyed his value, is a triviality. Now, am I saying
everyone can afford $1,500? No. But for that subset of clients, they can and because Richard
Millington’s portfolio is so strong and he specializes in it... he doesn't take pictures
of llamas and buildings. He takes pictures of babies. And he knows exactly what to do
to convey that. He knows, for example, that mothers are really tired so he’s gonna go
to them.
Right.
He knows everything about what that client wants. He can charge that, and the best part
is the clients will happily pay. And that’s the entire difference of being a commodity
and just saying, for example, “I’m a VA.” Which is problem number 1. No one’s ever
gonna pay you that much more if you just call yourself a VA.
Right.
Versus being a Real Estate Professional Assistant or something like that.
Ooh!
Which gets exactly at the heart of what these realtors want.
Right. I love that. And, you know, even just the languaging versus a VA and Real Estate
Professional Assistant or Professional Real Estate Assistant, completely different positioning
and it’s just a matter of a few words.
It is. So she had a very specific question of, “How would I raise my rates?” So let’s
talk about some scripts that I might use, and I teach this to my [inaudible] case students
who want to know how to earn more money on the side using freelancing. And I sort of
script it out for them word for word because there’s a very clear way of raising a rate
where people actually respond very well to it. By the way, I’ve had this happen, people
who actually raise their rates on me using my own script. And I was like, “Ok, well
you did it right. What can I do? Here you go, here’s the check.”
Did you actually feel that way?
Yes, and here’s the thing, if they were... I didn’t feel cheated. I wrote the script
and I still didn't feel cheated because they were actually delivering me massive value.
And I was happy to pay and I didn't want to lose them.
That’s awesome.
So that’s the whole point of a win-win with your client is if you’re offering massive
value and you show them how you’re gonna do that in the future, it’s not adversarial
it’s actually like, “Ok, I understand. I understand that, let’s just continue doing
business.” So here’s what I might say. I might say, first of all I might send out
a little survey to my clients saying, “How can I improve my work with you? What is it
you’re looking for this year if budget was no concern and if you could have me help you
do anything, what would it be?” So that already is massively valuable insights. So
you’re gonna learn what they want. Then you can go and you can prepare a letter or
an email and you can say, you know, “Hi Josh,” the client, “I wanted to just talk
to you about a couple things in terms of our engagement together. First of all, in the
last year this is what we’ve done together. I’ve helped you manage your email inbox,
saving you over 6 hours a day. I’ve helped you refer you 19 clients generating a total
of $450,000 and X dollars in commissions. And I’ve helped you do X, Y, and Z. This
year one of the things you told me was you’re looking for A, B, C. Now, I’m gonna be adding
A as a complementary part of my services to you. That’s because I’ve heard from a
number of clients that you want that, and so I’ll be able to do that for one hour
a week for you as a complementary part of us working together. The other thing is, I’m
becoming more selective in the clients I work with. Now you and I have had a great time
working together, we’ve generated $450,000 dollars in revenue, and I’ve helped save
countless hours. My rate is going to be going from $15 an hour to $25 an hour. If that’s
something that you’re not comfortable with, please let me know. I’ll be happy to refer
you to someone else who might be better fit for your cost needs. But if this is something
that works for you, these are my plans for the next 30, 60, and 90 days and I would look
forward to working with you together.”
Ooh! That was so good. I was... I wanted to hire you or hire whoever you were talking
about, it was that good.
Yeah, the beauty of it is you’re not cheating anybody and you’re not making them feel
bad. You’re talking about what you’ve done, where you’re going, and what you can
do for them.
You know what I love about this? Is it forces the entrepreneur to deliver more value and
articulate what they’re doing and also think ahead. So it actually... what you’re describing
forces every entrepreneur to become a better entrepreneur, and that I absolutely love.
Yeah, why should you get paid more if you’re not doing anything more? Just because you’ve
been around for, you know, a year? I don’t care. I don't care as the client. Tell me
how you’re gonna make my life better, make me more money, save me more time. That gets
a raise. So if this forces you to be a better entrepreneur, I’m all for it.
That’s awesome. Great, great. This answer is, like, fantastic. And I also know for everybody
watching, y’all are gonna be like, “I want the script.” Listen again, write it
down yourself, that’s the way you’re actually gonna learn it. Am I right?
That’s right.
Yeah. That’s awesome. So what we like to do always on MarieTV is challenge our viewers.
Because you know, you watch MarieTV. As a side note, Ramit thinks... Ramit, he thinks
MarieTV is kinda crazy and he’s told me that. Right?
Well, I just... I don't dance for my readers. Ok? So let’s start with that.
Why not? Everybody who wants to see Ramit dance for their readers, you can leave a comment
below and let us know that. I know you maybe won't do it but... you know. We’ll see.
Anyway, we like to challenge our viewers. We love to challenge you to actually take
what we talk about and put it into action. So I think as a great challenge today, let’s
talk about... have you ever been afraid to raise your prices? Or have you raised your
prices and what happened? And of course, Ramit, you might wanna add something to this. Do
you have anything to add in terms of a challenge for our readers?
Yeah, I’d love to challenge them... I’d love to say, what... write out what you could
say to your client to get them to raise it. Even 3 or 4 sentences. What could you say
that would deliver massive value and make them happy to pay you more?
Ooh, let’s do that one. Let’s do that one. So if you wanna talk about what you’ve
done in the past, that’s great. But I really love Ramit’s challenge about adding 3 or
4 sentences of the value that you can add to your client’s life that will help you
raise your rates and have them say yes.
Let’s do it, I’m looking forward to it.
Awesome. Ramit, thank you so much for being on MarieTV. This was awesome, you delivered
so much value, and I love having you here.
Thanks for having me.
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