Name: レックス・マーフィー（REXTV）がジョーダン・ピーターソンにインタビュー (Rex Murphy (REXTV) interviews Jordan Peterson)
Uploaded: 2021-01-14T10:22:23.000Z
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we owe about to join me now is probably the world's most famous intellectual, certainly the most famous intellectual to come out of Canada in the last 20 years on, he will be speaking with me about the role of the university and about his meteoric rise too intellectual on media influence.

Dr Peterson, I'm going to start out on an incidental thing at least is incidental to me and has bothered me since you became known.

That was in the very early days off the controversy that came to you when the University of Toronto sent you some military letters that I thought I've used this word before insolent that I thought were against the spirit of the university that they weren't supporting you never actually threatening you.

Yes, And that's said to me that somebody is beyond a particular controversy.

Something deeper is wrong here that universities are.

Well, I think a lot of it was was confusion um, and and the lack of experience with this sort of thing.

I mean, the University of Toronto is a peaceful place and rather conservative university.

All things considered, the administration wasn't prepared to handle ah, controversy of nature that swirled around me.

They were used to making minor administrative decisions, and when they were put on the spot and forced to defend their fundamental Presumptions, let's say it isn't clear that they were ready and prepared to do so.

It isn't necessarily the case that you climb in the administrative chain in the university by engaging in continual philosophical reappraisal of the fundamental presuppositions of university as an institution.

You know, it's it's a much more administrative job.

And so I'm going to say everything I can in favor of the University of Toronto before I say anything contrary.

Um, you know, I found to that when I've been put on the spot by journalists and has to defend.

But let's say customs that everyone has always accepted like marriage.

It's very difficult to generate a a defense for such an institution off the top of your head.

Let's say, because part of the whole purpose of customs is that everyone except you don't think it reflects.

Well, on the way out of there, there unstated presuppositions.

So when you put on the spot, you don't know what to do.

When I first got the letter, the first letter and I know how HR departments work, they send you one letter of warning so that it's documented.

Then they send you another so that it's documented, and then they send you 1/3.

And if you haven't ceased by then while then they go to the next step, which would be something to do with whatever approximation determination, they might be a document.

You Yes, yes, And they're documenting all the steps.

And I told the person who delivered the letter to me, who is the person I actually got along with quite well, that it was full of errors and it was poorly Renton and that they should take it back and write it properly.

And because if they were gonna do this, they better do it right there.

And I didn't mean that I was going to cause trouble unnecessarily, but that there was going to be trouble, but they didn't take it back.

So and then I did the same thing with the second letter.

And after that, and, you know, we'd agreed.

We had quite a congenial discussion, I would say.

At least a debate would never was a debate.

It was I don't know what they call those now.

Yeah, not a debate about free speech on campus.

Yeah, it was quite the was, but they didn't do it, which, which was something, you know.

And I've also heard that behind the scenes, because I have some friends who some callings who have some access to administrative decisions.

And they believe that the University of Toronto, in the aftermath of all this, has actually reconfirmed its internal commitment to free speech.

So and you know, I don't know how much of that is true, but I'm willing to give them a certain amount of off benefit of the doubt, but it's important to understand that people can be caught unaware.

And the other thing, too, is that they actually did me a bit of a favor because one of the things I claimed in the YouTube video that I made was that what I was doing by making the video was probably illegal.

Their lawyers basically said that it was probably illegal, and so that also helped establish my born of fightings that say s a reasonable interpreter of the law.

And so it wasn't all bad, although it was extraordinarily stressful that demonstrations that followed.

How is it that in the university which have evolved sings, Obviously it's the exercise of thought training in mind and therefore the power of expression that comes as a result of those two things that say things were under the banner of reason and an exercise mind.

How comes it that uncertain issues the transgender one is, Well, there's a whole list of the politically correct ones that suddenly I don't know his language being being bent.

In some cases, it's also theology ISMs are floating out there every six seconds with new rules on them.

A word you never heard yesterday, eyes somehow or other prejudice If you say it today, yes, or even illegal to use very much like the idea of dead naming what, like the very one I was thinking that the world didn't exist two days ago.

And now if you dead name someone, which which is the words, it doesn't exist.

You're in violation of something Are horrible bigot.

To scraps that kept us eater to something like reason or women?

We lost our nerve that when people come to you and they say to you things that you know, not from bias are nonsense that they can't simply be dismissed as nonsense with no peril whatsoever.

Well, you're you're assuming that we had nerve.

Well, I mean, you know, some people have nerve, but one of the things I've learned over the last three years, because really, this all started in October of 2000 16 was that the percentage of people who have nerve is very small and vanishingly small.

You know, I've met people, Douglas Murray has nerve.

Um, there's a handful of people that I've met.

Who You can't move, you know, you're one of them.

And I've met a number of journalists, too.

You know, I've had my fair share of conflict with journalists, that's for sure.

I would say talking to journalists is the most stressful thing I've done apart from talks at University Campuses Journal.

That's just a side track that because it's a very good issue journalism.

I've been playing at it from the margins for along what journalism is very much corrupted.

It is, in many cases, wittingly or unwittingly partisan.

It is part of the game that it says it's covering.

This is one of the failing institutions society, Muchas universities.

Yeah, well, you know, there's there's technological reasons for that.

You know, the journalists journalism as such is under unbelievable pressure from the new technologies.

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