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  • Hello.”

  • Hey, Joe.”

  • Where are you?”

  • In Eau Claire, by the mall, where I can get reception.”

  • Cool.”

  • The fish is amazing, what, right over your head.”

  • Yeah, right?”

  • [laughs]

  • Where are you?

  • You have a nice pink background.

  • I like this.”

  • Yeah, we call it red.”

  • [singing] “All my life, I was ...

  • ... keepinwhat you tellinme, I know mine.”

  • “I’ve known Justin since we were 16 years old.”

  • And what was he like when he was 16 years old?”

  • Exactly like he is now.”

  • “[singing] Back in all those sunny days.

  • Back in all those days by the water.”

  • Did you always think of Justin as the one?”

  • We didn’t know any better, but we

  • knew that that was a crazy voice.”

  • “[singing] I’m gonna suckle on the hope in light brassieres.

  • My, my, my--”

  • He’s going to be tinkering till the day he dies,

  • trying to figure out what else is a possibility.”

  • Here we go.

  • Are you recording, Trevor?”

  • Yes.”

  • My best friend, Trevor, and I,

  • we were out up in the bar in the middle of the winter,

  • making music in whatever way we could.”

  • It’s kind of like free improv performance art

  • work that we do, but mainly just for ourselves.

  • Right away, he kind of went to a radio

  • and was messing around with the different knobs.”

  • “I was turning the radio on and off.

  • Still don’t know what song is playing.”

  • And then I started sliding on this piece of cardboard.”

  • Trevor was just dead on with the slides."

  • And do you hear that as a beat, essentially?”

  • Yeah, it’s like the

  • you hear it in hip-hop sometimes.

  • It’s, like, the chop.”

  • It’s sort of rhythmic and sort of melodic,

  • and you can kind of start to mess with it.”

  • But it was such a fragment of an idea,

  • and even then, he was dead serious.

  • He was like, this is going to be the first song

  • on the next Bon Iver record.”

  • The part that I wrote came about from a jam

  • that we did maybe four years ago.”

  • Justin’s really good at piecing it together

  • in weird ways.”

  • Maybe a year later, we were in London.

  • James Blake was in the neighborhood,

  • and so I had him come by, and he just improvised.”

  • Justin invites a pretty eclectic cast of characters.

  • He loves to be in the middle of all this

  • but sort of let the chaos unfold.”

  • It’s kind of like a little game that you play with

  • the song, like you try and figure out what works

  • and what doesn’t.”

  • “I didn’t even know who Bon Ivuh,

  • I didn’t know who Justin was.

  • You know, when he played it,

  • I was like, load me up, come on with it.

  • And I just threw the drums on, and then

  • that [expletive] just turned into a wholenother genre.”

  • God, I mean, I will never remember all the things

  • we tried to do on this song.”

  • “I made three trips to Wisconsin,

  • and each time, it was in kind of a different place.”

  • We just kept trying stuff.

  • Oh, let’s play new chords.

  • Let’s do piano.

  • Someone play acoustic.

  • Let’s do a bunch of electric guitars.”

  • Justin was kind of like, try anything, anywhere.”

  • Throughout most of this,

  • Justin had not sung on it at all.

  • There wasn’t — there wasn’t even really a scratch vocal

  • for a long time.

  • I think a yearslong time.”

  • “I could never figure it out,

  • and I think I was scared for many

  • I think writing the first verse of this album,

  • you get scared, you get in your head,

  • you have little obstacles.”

  • When we got to Texas, it was, all right,

  • weve got to figure this out."

  • The ranch is 40 miles south of El Paso.”

  • The property butts up against

  • the United States-Mexico border.”

  • There is literally a wall on Tony’s property,

  • and then on Tony’s property, there’s no wall.

  • It just, like, stops.

  • So you can just put your hand over and here I am, Mexico.

  • This is all very [expletive] up.

  • Doesn’t make any sense.

  • A lot of perspective there.

  • While we were at Sonic Ranch,

  • it was still very, very unfinished, this song.

  • And I’m still just like, it's got to be the first song,

  • got to be the first song.

  • And Brad’s just like, it’s not a song at all, you know?”

  • “I show up and I can’t find anyone.

  • And of course, the first person I run into

  • is Justin, smirking ear to ear.

  • Bon Iver was my hero in college.

  • Because of that, I was really motivated

  • to try some [expletive].”

  • Justin played on that song right away,

  • and he looked him in the eye,

  • and he’s like, I don’t get it.

  • I want to figure out what the [expletive] is going on.”

  • “I didn’t see any significance in doing that at all

  • until, while I was working on it, I’d just see almost all

  • of them pacing around, listening through the door,

  • and that if I wasn’t nervous, that made me very nervous.”

  • That was a really big turning point for that song.”

  • What did you do to it?”

  • God, I feel like I was Jackson Pollock-ing it,

  • and youre asking me, what colors didn’t I use?

  • I don’t even remember.”

  • What you would understand to be a chorus

  • he took that little part, cut it out,

  • and made it sort of this hook, and then put bass under it

  • and made it feel like a drop.”

  • He pulled a form out of that song

  • that hadn’t been there before.”

  • And it was giving me some new energy.”

  • He was just like, man, I’m going to sing on this.

  • I’m going to sing on this.

  • And I think that was it.

  • That was his reaction.”

  • Brad's just like, dude, you got to write this verse.

  • Go write this [expletive] verse.

  • Go [expletive] do this, you know?

  • Like here’s your bars, do something.

  • Brad’s a really good friend.

  • He produced me as a person, just as much as a musician,

  • really, in the last few years.

  • He’s just encouraging.”

  • Justin’s had a hard time asking

  • for help over the years.”

  • You get tied up in knots inside.

  • These knots get soso thick and so tight,

  • that you don’t even know where to begin to unravel them.”

  • If I’m going to be honest with you,

  • I think there was some real burnout going on.”

  • When I was going through some tougher [expletive],

  • like battling all that [expletive], the fame

  • and attention, the inability to have relationships,

  • the inabilityjust the isolation of where I found

  • myself, Brad got me to relax and just

  • say what I’m feeling.”

  • As soon as he sings, I feel like it

  • makes everything right.”

  • It still makes me cry.”

  • “I like it when people get inspired,

  • because when they get inspired,

  • they usually have some sort of empathetic, euphoric feeling.

  • That’s the idea with Bon Iver in general.

  • It’s just like a little town of people trying to be good.”

  • This song has been a beast for us.”

  • “I do love that song.

  • I don’t know, it makes total sense to me.

  • I just hear it and I’m like, oh, yeah, cool tune.”

  • It was very interesting to see that progression

  • from that first recording into what the song is now.”

  • One of the guys said even Frank Ocean

  • might have been around when James

  • was messing with the song.

  • Yeah, I think Frank took his track, though, man.

  • I don't know what he did.”

  • Classic.

  • He’s like, yo, like, some crazy Midwest dude.

  • I’m taking these tracks out of here.”

  • [laughs] “Fair enough.”

Hello.”

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