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  • The President: Well, it is wonderful to be here,

  • and I always look forward to an opportunity to speak

  • to some of our top businesses across the country

  • who are hiring people,

  • investing in America, making the economy run.

  • And many of you I've had a chance to interact with before.

  • As you know, oftentimes when I do something like this,

  • I want to spend more time answering questions

  • and having a conversation than giving any formal remarks.

  • Let me just provide a little bit of an introduction.

  • Obviously, over the last couple of months,

  • most of the oxygen in this town

  • has been consumed with two things --

  • one, the government shutdown and the possibility of default

  • that was ultimately resolved;

  • and the second has been the rollout

  • of the Affordable Care Act

  • and the fact that my website is not working

  • the way it's supposed to.

  • And it's entirely legitimate

  • that those have been issues of great concern.

  • The impact of the shutdown

  • and the threat of default I think not only did

  • some significant damage to the economy

  • at a time when we didn't need self-inflicted wounds,

  • but it also spoke to some of the larger problems we've seen here

  • in Washington, and the sense of dysfunction and the seeming

  • incapacity of both parties in Congress to work together

  • to advance an agenda that's going to help us grow.

  • With respect to the Affordable Care Act,

  • I think people are legitimately concerned because we have

  • a major problem with health care in this country --

  • 41 million people without health insurance,

  • a lot of people underinsured.

  • And once again, how we fix a health care system

  • that's been broken for too many people for too long I think

  • ends up speaking to how much confidence we have in government

  • and whether we still have the capacity, collectively,

  • to bring about changes that are going to be good

  • for our economy, good for our businesses,

  • good for the American people.

  • I do want to say, though, that beyond the headlines,

  • we have made real progress in the economy,

  • and sometimes that hasn't gotten enough attention.

  • Some of the tough decisions that we made early on

  • have paid off -- decisions that helped us

  • not only recover from a crisis,

  • but begin to lay a stronger foundation for future growth.

  • We refocused on manufacturing exports, and today,

  • our businesses sell more goods and services made in America

  • than ever before around the world.

  • After a decade of shedding jobs, our manufacturing sector

  • has now added about half a million new jobs,

  • and it's led by an American auto industry

  • that has come roaring back after decades of decline.

  • We decided to reverse our dependence on foreign oil,

  • and today, we generate

  • more renewable energy than ever before

  • and more natural gas than anybody in the world.

  • And for the first time in nearly 20 years,

  • America now produces more of our own oil than we buy

  • from other countries.

  • When I took office, we invested a fraction

  • of what other countries did in wireless infrastructure,

  • and today, it's up nearly 50 percent,

  • helping companies unleash jobs,

  • innovation and a booming app economy that's created

  • more than 500,000 jobs.

  • When I took office, only 5 percent

  • of the world's smartphones ran on American operating systems.

  • Today, more than 80 percent do.

  • And it's not just in the high-tech economy

  • that we're seeing progress.

  • For example, American farmers are on pace to have one of their

  • best years in decades, and they have consistently been able to

  • export more, make more profits and help restore rural economies

  • than when we came into office.

  • And, yes, we decided to take on a broken health care system.

  • And even though the rollout of the new health care marketplace

  • has been rough, to say the least,

  • about half a million Americans are now poised to gain

  • health care coverage beginning January 1st.

  • That's after only a month of sign-up.

  • We also have seen health care costs growing

  • at the slowest rate in 50 years.

  • Employer-based health costs are growing at about one-third

  • of the rate of a decade ago, and that has an impact

  • on your bottom line.

  • And after years of trillion-dollar deficits,

  • we reined in spending, wound down two wars,

  • and began to change a tax code that I believe was too skewed

  • towards the wealthiest among us at the expense

  • of the middle class.

  • And since I took office,

  • we have now cut our deficits by more than half.

  • Add it all up, and businesses like yours have created

  • 7.8 million new jobs over the past 44 months.

  • We've gone farther and recovered faster

  • than most other advanced nations.

  • And so in a lot of ways,

  • America is poised for a breakout.

  • We are in a good position to compete

  • around the world in the 21st century.

  • The question is, are we going to realize that potential?

  • And that means that we've still got some more work to do.

  • Our stock markets and corporate profits are soaring,

  • but we've got to make sure that this remains a country

  • where everyone who works hard can get ahead.

  • And that means we've still got

  • to address long-term unemployment.

  • We still have to address stagnant wages

  • and stagnant incomes.

  • And frankly, we've got to stop governing by crisis

  • here in this town.

  • Because if it weren't for Washington's dysfunction,

  • I think all of us agree we'd be a lot further along.

  • The shutdown and the threat of default harmed our jobs market,

  • they cost our economy about $5 billion,

  • and economists predict it will slow

  • our GDP growth this quarter --

  • and it didn't need to happen.

  • It was self-inflicted.

  • We should not be injuring ourselves every few months.

  • We should be investing in ourselves.

  • And in a sensible world, that starts with a budget

  • that cuts what we don't need, closes wasteful loopholes,

  • and helps us afford to invest in the things

  • that we know will help businesses like yours

  • and the economy as a whole --

  • education, infrastructure, basic research and development.

  • We would have a grand bargain for middle-class jobs that

  • combines tax reform with a financing mechanism

  • that lets us create jobs,

  • rebuilding infrastructure that your businesses depend on,

  • but we haven't gotten as much take-up from the other side

  • as we'd like to see so far.

  • We have the opportunity for bipartisan authority

  • to negotiate the best trade deals possible so businesses

  • and workers can take advantage of new markets

  • that are opening up around the world.

  • We haven't seen the kind of take-up from the other side

  • that we'd like to see so far.

  • We've got the opportunity to fix a broken immigration system

  • that strengthens our economy and our national security.

  • The good news here is the Senate has already passed a bipartisan

  • bill that economists say would grow our economy

  • by $1.4 trillion and shrink our deficits by nearly a trillion

  • over the next two decades.

  • You wouldn't turn down a deal that good,

  • and Congress shouldn't either.

  • So I'm hoping that Speaker Boehner

  • and the House of Representatives

  • can still work with us to get that done.

  • And we need to be going all out to prepare our kids

  • and our workers for the demands of a 21st-century economy.

  • I've proposed giving every child an early start at success

  • by making high-quality preschool available

  • to every four-year-old in America.

  • We know that you get more bang for the buck when it comes

  • to early childhood education than just about anything else,

  • and you've got great examples around the country,

  • oftentimes in red states, that are doing just that.

  • We need to make that same investment.

  • We're working to bring down the costs of a college degree

  • so more young people can get a higher education.

  • And one thing that I'm very excited about --

  • and this has been a good example

  • of a public-private partnership --

  • is the idea of redesigning our high schools

  • to make sure that more young people get hands-on training

  • and develop the skills that they need,

  • particularly in math, science and engineering,

  • that businesses are looking for.

  • And in fact, today we're announcing

  • a competitive grant program

  • that will encourage more high schools

  • to partner with colleges and local businesses

  • to better prepare our kids for college or a career.

  • And in December, I'll be bringing together

  • college presidents and other leaders to figure out ways

  • to help more low-income students attend

  • and to succeed in college.

  • So just to sum up, my basic message is this:

  • We know what the challenges are.

  • We know what the solutions are.

  • Some of them are tough, but what's holding us back is not

  • a lack of good policy ideas or even what used to be considered

  • good bipartisan policy ideas.

  • We just have to break through the stubborn cycle

  • of crisis politics and start working together.

  • More obstruction, more brinkmanship won't help anybody.

  • It doesn't help folks politically.

  • My understanding is nobody in this town is doing particularly

  • well at the moment when it comes to the opinions

  • of the American people,

  • but it certainly doesn't help anybody economically.

  • On many of the issues, I think you and I would agree,

  • and I want you to know that I'm rooting for your success,

  • and I look forward to making sure that we are able

  • in the remaining three years that I'm President

  • to work together to not only improve the business climate,

  • but also improve the prospects for Americans

  • all across the country who have been treading water,

  • feel like they're losing ground, are anxious about the future and

  • their children's futures, but I think are still hopeful

  • and still possess that fundamental American optimism.

  • If they see leadership working across the board on their

  • behalf, then I'm confident that we can make enormous progress.

  • So with that, why don't we get Jerry up here

  • and I'll start answering his questions.

  • I hope he adds some input.

  • [laughter]

  • If he starts asking me about what happened

  • to the Kansas City Chiefs,

  • I'm not sure I'll have a good answer for that one.

  • [applause]

  • Gerald Selb: Well, thank you, Mr. President.

  • Let me start by thanking you officially for joining us today.

  • I think you probably see a lot of familiar faces out there,

  • most friendly, most of them.

  • And I would also note

  • that you're getting here a little late.

  • Congressman Paul Ryan is coming later.

  • He is going to get here a little early.

  • So if you guys overlap a little bit,

  • maybe we can just get some problems solved right here.

  • What do you think?

  • The President: Let's do it.

  • [laughter]

  • Let's do it.

  • Gerald Selb: It's your chance.

  • We have talked amongst ourselves

  • or tried to sort of take the sense of the room.

  • So I'm going to try to reflect some of the conversations that

  • have been going on here in the questions I'm going to ask you.

  • You'll not be stunned

  • that I'm going to ask you about health care first.

  • You indicated there and you've indicated publicly quite clearly

  • that the rollout has been difficult.

  • What do you think you've learned from this experience

  • about the government's ability to do this sort of thing,

  • about the law itself, or about your own administration?

  • The President: Well, there are a couple of things.

  • Number one is that this has been a big problem

  • for a very long time

  • and so it was always going to be challenging not just

  • to pass a law, but also to implement it.

  • There's a reason why, despite a century of talking about it,

  • nobody had been able to successfully try to deal with

  • some of the underlying problems in the health care system.

  • The good news is that many of the elements of the Affordable

  • Care Act are already in place and are working

  • exactly the way they're supposed to.

  • So making sure that consumers who have employer-based health

  • insurance are getting a better deal and that are protected

  • from some of the fine print that left them in the lurch

  • when they actually got sick --

  • that's in place.

  • Making sure that young people under the age of 26 can stay

  • on their parents' plan --

  • that's helped 3 million children already.

  • That's making a difference.

  • Helping seniors to get better prescription drug prices --

  • that's already helped millions of seniors

  • and billions of dollars in savings.

  • Rebates for people who see insurance companies

  • who are not spending enough on actual care,

  • more on administrative costs or profits,

  • they're getting rebates.

  • They may not know it's the Affordable Care Act

  • that's giving them rebates, but it's happening.

  • So there were a number of things that were already in place

  • over the last three years that got implemented effectively.

  • The other thing that hasn't been talked about a lot is cost.

  • There was a lot of skepticism when we passed

  • the Affordable Care Act that we were going to be giving

  • a lot of people care but we weren't doing anything

  • about the underlying costs.

  • And, in fact, over the last three years,

  • we've seen health care costs grow

  • at the slowest pace in 50 years.

  • And that affects the bottom lines of everybody here.

  • And there are a lot of smart delivery system reforms

  • that slowly across the system are being implemented

  • and they're making a big difference.

  • And that's saving us money.

  • That's why, by the way, some of the projections that in terms

  • of what the Affordable Care Act would do to deficits have

  • actually proved even better than we had originally expected.

  • What I have learned, though,

  • with respect to setting up these marketplaces --

  • which are essentially mechanisms where people

  • who are currently in the individual market

  • or don't have health insurance at all can join together, shop,

  • and insurance companies will compete for their business --

  • setting those things up is very challenging just mechanically.

  • The good news is that choice and competition has actually worked

  • and insurers came in with bids

  • that were even lower than people expected --

  • about 16 percent lower than had originally been projected.

  • The challenge has been just making sure that consumers

  • are actually able to get on a website, see those choices,

  • and shop.

  • And I think that we probably underestimated the complexities

  • of building out a website that needed

  • to work the way it should.

  • There is a larger problem that I probably -- speak personally,

  • but also as the administration --

  • could have identified earlier,

  • and that is the way the federal government does procurement

  • and does IT is just generally not very efficient.

  • In fact, there's probably no bigger gap

  • between the private sector and the public sector than IT.

  • And we've seen that in, for example,

  • the VA and the Department of Defense trying to deal

  • with electronic medical records for our servicemen

  • as they move into civilian life.

  • Most of that stuff is still done on paper.

  • We've spent billions of dollars --

  • I'm not saying "we" as in my administration,

  • I mean we've now had about a decade of experimentation,

  • spent billions of dollars and it's still not working

  • the way it should.

  • So what we probably needed to do on the front end was to blow up

  • how we procure for IT,

  • especially on a system this complicated.

  • We did not do that successfully.

  • Now, we are getting it fixed, but it would have been better

  • to do it on the front end rather than the back end.

  • And the last point I'll make is that in terms of expectation

  • setting, there's no doubt that in an environment in which

  • we had to fight tooth and nail to get this passed,

  • it ended up being passed on a partisan basis -- not for lack

  • of trying, because I met with an awful lot of Republicans to try

  • to get them to go along -- but because there was just

  • ideological resistance to the idea of dealing with the

  • uninsured and people with preexisting conditions.

  • There was a price to that, and it was that what was already

  • going to be hard was operating within a very difficult

  • political environment.

  • And we should have anticipated that that would create

  • a rockier rollout than if Democrats and Republicans

  • were both invested in success.

  • One of the problems we've had is one side of Capitol Hill

  • is invested in failure, and that makes, I think,

  • the kind of iterative process of fixing glitches as they come up

  • and fine-tuning the law more challenging.

  • But I'm optimistic that we can get it fixed.

  • Gerald Selb: Well, that's the question I was going to ask next.

  • Is it possible you've lost enough time here and enough

  • potential customers in the exchanges that you're not going

  • to reach the critical mass of signups that you need to make

  • the marketplace work?

  • Is that a danger that you have to worry about right now?

  • The President: Well, it's something that we have to pay attention to.

  • But keep in mind that this model of marketplaces was based on

  • what was done in Massachusetts, and the experience in

  • Massachusetts was that in the first month,

  • 153 or 163 people signed up out of an ultimate 36,000.

  • It was less than 1 percent signed up in that first month --

  • partly because buying insurance is a complicated process

  • for a lot of people.

  • When they have more choices, it means that they're going

  • to take more time.

  • There's no doubt that we've lost some time,

  • but the website is getting better each week.

  • By the end of this month, it will be functioning

  • for the majority of people who are using it.

  • They'll be able to shop, see what their choices are.

  • The prices are good.

  • The prices are not changing during the open enrollment

  • period that goes out until March.

  • And so I think that we're going to have time to catch up.

  • What's also been expressed as a concern is the mix of people

  • that sign up.

  • So we might end up having millions of people sign up;

  • they're happy with their new coverage,

  • but we've got more people who are older,

  • more likely to get sick than younger and healthier.

  • We've got to monitor that carefully.

  • We always anticipated, though, that younger folks would be the

  • last folks in, just because -- it's been a while since you and

  • I were young -- but as I recall, you don't think that you're

  • going to get sick at that time.

  • So, look, I am confident that the model that we've built,

  • which works off of the existing private insurance system,

  • is one that will succeed.

  • We are going to have to, A, fix the website so everybody feels

  • confident about that.

  • We're going to have to obviously re-market and re-brand,

  • and that will be challenging in this political environment.

  • But keep in mind, in the first month we also had 12 million

  • people visit the site.

  • The demand is there.

  • There are 41 million people who don't have health insurance.

  • The folks in the individual market,

  • many of them are going to get a much better deal

  • in the marketplaces.

  • And so we've just got to keep on improving the customer

  • experience and make sure that we're fending off efforts

  • not to fix the problem --

  • because if somebody wants to help us fix it,

  • I'm all game, but fending off efforts

  • to completely undermine it.

  • Gerald Selb: Let me turn to the economy, the broader economy,

  • probably the predominant concern of people in this room.

  • We seem to be stuck in an economic growth pattern of okay,

  • but not great growth.

  • Your friend, Larry Summers, was here earlier today and said

  • essentially the problem or one of the problems

  • is that the system can't do two things at once.

  • It can't cut deficits and spur growth.

  • It needs to do one or the other right now.

  • It needs to spur growth,

  • should not worry so much about deficits.

  • Do you agree?

  • And if you do agree, how do you make that happen?

  • The President: Actually, Larry and I,

  • and most of my economic team --

  • in fact, all of my economic team --

  • have consistently maintained that there is a way

  • to reconcile the concerns about debt and deficits

  • with the concerns about growth.

  • What we know is, is that our fiscal problems

  • are not short-term deficits.

  • Our discretionary budget, that portion of the federal budget

  • that isn't defense or Social Security or Medicare

  • or Medicaid, the entitlement programs,

  • is at its smallest level in my lifetime,

  • probably since Dwight Eisenhower.

  • We are not lavishly spending on a whole bunch

  • of social programs out there.

  • And in many ways, a lot of these programs have become more

  • efficient and pretty effective.

  • Defense, we spent a lot from 2001 to 2011,

  • but generally we are stabilizing.

  • And the Pentagon, working with me,

  • have come up with plans that allow us to meet our security

  • needs while still bringing down some of the costs of defense,

  • particularly after having ended the war in Iraq and on the brink

  • of ending the war in Afghanistan.

  • So when we talk about our deficit and debt problems,

  • it is almost entirely health care costs.

  • You eliminate the delta, the difference between what we spend

  • on health care and what every other country -- advanced

  • industrialized nation spends on health care,

  • and that's our long-term debt.

  • And if we're able to bend the cost curve,

  • we help solve the problem.

  • Now, one way to do that is just

  • to make health care cheaper overall.

  • That's I think the best way to do it,

  • and that's what we've been doing through some of the measures

  • in the Affordable Care Act.

  • There are some other provisions that we could take that would

  • maintain our commitment to seniors, Medicare,

  • Social Security, the disabled, and Medicaid,

  • while still reducing very modestly

  • the costs of those programs.

  • If we do those things, that solves our real fiscal problem,

  • and we could take some of that money,

  • a very modest portion on the front end,

  • and invest in infrastructure that puts people back to work,

  • improve our research and development.

  • So the idea would be do some things in the short term that

  • focus on growth; do some things in the long term that deal

  • with the long-term debt.

  • That's what my budget reflects.

  • That's what a multiple series of negotiations

  • with John Boehner talked about, the so-called grand bargain.

  • We couldn't quite get there in the end,

  • mainly because Republicans had a great deal of difficulty with

  • the idea of putting in more revenue to balance out some

  • of the changes that were made on entitlements.

  • Gerald Selb: I would guess a lot of people in this room would

  • say another way to make some of those things happen would be to

  • fix the corporate tax code that everybody agrees is a mess.

  • You've got some companies that pay way too much compared to

  • their international competitors; some companies don't pay at all.

  • It's not a good system.

  • it's not an efficient system, everybody agrees,

  • but it doesn't ever seem to change.

  • Can you make it change?

  • And can you do something about repatriation

  • of U.S. assets overseas?

  • The President: Well, here is the good news,

  • is that both my administration and Republicans have talked

  • about corporate tax reform.

  • And Paul Ryan, who is going to be coming after me,

  • said he's interested in corporate tax reform.

  • And we've reached out to him and we've said let's get to work.

  • We put forward a very specific set of proposals that would

  • lower the corporate tax rate, broaden the base,

  • close some loopholes.

  • And in terms of international companies and competitiveness,

  • what we've said is rather than a whole bunch of tangled laws

  • that incentivize folks to keep money overseas,

  • let's have a modest but clear global minimum tax,

  • get rid of some of the huge fluctuations

  • that people experience.

  • It will save companies money, make them more competitive and,

  • in terms of transitioning to that system,

  • actually allow some people to bring back money and,

  • in a one-time way, help us finance infrastructure

  • and some other projects that need to get done.

  • I don't expect Republicans to adopt exactly the proposal

  • that we've put forward.

  • But there's not that much separation between what

  • Democrats are talking about --

  • I know Chairman Max Baucus put out something today,

  • the Chairman of the Finance Committee --

  • what Dave Camp over in the House has talked about.

  • This should be bridgeable.

  • The one thing I would caution is --

  • and I've said this to the Business Roundtable

  • and other corporate leaders who I've talked to --

  • people like the idea of corporate tax reform in theory.

  • In practice, if you want to make

  • the corporate tax reform deficit-neutral,

  • then you actually have to close some loopholes.

  • And people like the idea of a simpler tax system

  • until it's their particular loophole

  • that's about to get closed.

  • And what we can't afford to do is to keep all the loopholes

  • that are currently in place and lower the corporate tax rate.

  • We would then blow another hole in the deficit that would have

  • to be filled.

  • And what I'm not willing to do is to have higher rates on the

  • middle class in order to pay for that.

  • Gerald Selb: Some of the CEOs here had a working group earlier today,

  • the mission of which was to address the question

  • of how do you stay competitive.

  • Interestingly, at least to me, their first priority --

  • first priority -- was this: immigration reform.

  • The U.S. needs immigration reform to retain

  • talented workers educated in the U.S.

  • and attract talent to the U.S. Immigration reform

  • could provide an instant jolt to the U.S. economy

  • which we need.

  • I know you agree with that statement,

  • but it's hard to see that happening right now.

  • You've got the Senate off on one track --

  • it's passed a comprehensive bill

  • the House won't even agree to take up.

  • Democrats want to do comprehensive reform.

  • Republicans want to do step-by-step reform.

  • It's a poisonous political atmosphere.

  • Can you make it happen?

  • The President: I am actually optimistic that we're going to get this done.

  • I am a congenital optimist.

  • I would have to be -- I'm named Barack Obama

  • and I ran for President.

  • [laughter]

  • Gerald Selb: And won.

  • The President: And won twice.

  • [laughter]

  • So, look, keep in mind, first of all,

  • that what the CEOs here said is absolutely right.

  • This is a boost to our economy.

  • Everywhere I go, I meet with entrepreneurs and CEOs who say,

  • I've got these terrific folks, they just graduated from CalTech

  • or MIT or Stanford, they're ready to do business here,

  • some of them have these amazing new ideas that we think we can

  • commercialize -- but they're being dragged back to their home

  • countries, not because they want to go but because the

  • immigration system doesn't work.

  • The good news is that the Senate bill was a bipartisan bill and

  • we know what the component parts of this are.

  • We've got to have strong border security.

  • We've got to have better enforcement of existing laws.

  • We've got to make sure that we have a legal immigration system

  • that doesn't cause people to sit in the queue for 5 years,

  • 10 years, 15 years -- in some cases, 20 years.

  • We should want to immediately say to young people who we've

  • helped to educate in this country, you want to stay,

  • we want you here.

  • And we do have to deal with about 11 million folks who are

  • in this country, most of them just seeking opportunity;

  • they did break the law by coming here or overstaying their visa,

  • and they've got to earn their way out of the shadows --

  • pay a fine, learn English, get to the back of the line,

  • pay their back taxes -- but giving them a mechanism

  • whereby they can get right by our society.

  • And that's reflected in the Senate bill.

  • Now, I actually think that there are a number

  • of House Republicans -- including Paul Ryan, I think,

  • if you ask him about it -- who agree with that.

  • They're suspicious of comprehensive bills,

  • but if they want to chop that thing up into five pieces,

  • as long as all five pieces get done,

  • I don't care what it looks like as long as it's actually

  • delivering on those core values that we talk about.

  • Gerald Selb: But Democrats have been pretty suspicious

  • that all five pieces won't get done.

  • The President: And that's the problem.

  • I mean, the key is -- what we don't want to do is simply

  • carve out one piece of it -- let's say agricultural jobs,

  • which are important, but is easier, frankly,

  • or the high-skilled jobs that many in your audience here would

  • immediately want to do -- but leave behind

  • some of the tougher stuff that still needs to get done.

  • We're not going to have a situation in which 11 million

  • people are still living in the shadows and potentially

  • getting deported on an ongoing basis.

  • So we're going to have to do it all.

  • In my conversations with the Republicans,

  • I actually think the divide is not that wide.

  • So what we just have to do is find a pathway where Republicans

  • in the House, in particular, feel comfortable enough about

  • process that they can go ahead and meet us.

  • This, by the way, Jerry, I think is a good example of something

  • that's been striking me about our politics for a while.

  • When you go to other countries, the political divisions

  • are so much more stark and wider.

  • Here in America, the difference between Democrats

  • and Republicans, we're fighting inside the 40-yard line,

  • maybe in --

  • Gerald Selb: You've fooled most people on that

  • in the last few months, I'd say.

  • [laughter]

  • The President: Well, no, no.

  • I would distinguish between the rhetoric and the tactics

  • versus the ideological differences.

  • I mean, in most countries you've got --

  • people call me a socialist sometimes,

  • But, no, you've got to meet real socialists.

  • [laughter]

  • You'll have a sense of what a socialist is.

  • [laughter]

  • I'm talking about lowering the corporate tax rate.

  • My health care reform is based on the private marketplace.

  • The stock market is looking pretty good last time I checked.

  • And it is true that I'm concerned about growing

  • inequality in our system, but nobody questions the efficacy

  • of market economies in terms of producing wealth and innovation

  • and keeping us competitive.

  • On the flip side, most Republicans,

  • even the tea party -- one of my favorite signs

  • during the campaign was folks hoisting a sign,

  • "Government, keep your hands off my Medicare."

  • [laughter]

  • Think about that.

  • [laughter]

  • I mean, ideologically, they did not like the idea

  • of the federal government,

  • and yet they felt very protective about the basic

  • social safety net that had been structured.

  • So my simple point is this:

  • If we can get beyond the tactical advantages

  • that parties perceive in painting folks as extreme

  • and trying to keep an eye always on the next election,

  • and for a while at least, just focus on governing,

  • then there is probably 70 percent overlap

  • on a whole range of issues.

  • A lot of Republicans want to get infrastructure done,

  • just like I do.

  • A lot of them believe in basic research, just like I do.

  • A lot of them want to reform entitlements to make sure that

  • they're affordable for the next generation; so do I.

  • A lot of them say they want to reform our tax system;

  • so do I.

  • There are going to be differences on the details,

  • and those details matter and I'll fight very hard for them.

  • But we shouldn't think that somehow the reason we've got

  • these problems is because our policy differences are so great.

  • Gerald Selb: Well, the details are obviously important enough

  • to shut down the government just a couple of weeks ago.

  • And everybody knows we're headed back toward showdowns again --

  • January, budget; February, debt ceiling.

  • Jack Lew was here earlier, your Treasury Secretary,

  • and said he thought maybe the system crossed a threshold

  • in October and has realized it doesn't want to go back

  • and do that again.

  • Are you confident it's not going to go back and do that again?

  • And by the way, the OECD, the Organization of Economic

  • Cooperation and Development, suggested today

  • that the U.S. just get rid of the debt ceiling entirely.

  • Would you be in favor of that?

  • The President: I think that the way our system is set up is

  • like a loaded gun, and once people thought we can get

  • leverage on policy disputes by threatening default,

  • that was an extraordinarily dangerous precedent.

  • And that's a principle that I had to adhere to,

  • not just for me but for the next President --

  • that you're not going to be able to threaten

  • the entire U.S. or world economy

  • simply because you disagree with me about a health care bill.

  • I'd like to believe that the Republicans recognize that was

  • not a good strategy, and we're probably better off with

  • a system in which that threat is not there on a perpetual basis.

  • I do not foresee what we saw in October

  • being repeated in January.

  • But the broader point is one that I think all of us

  • have to take to heart.

  • We have to be able to disagree on policy issues without

  • resorting to the kinds of extreme tactics that end up

  • hurting all of us.

  • And that's been my main disagreement with a lot

  • of my Republican friends.

  • And frankly, the American people agree with that.

  • They don't expect us to march in lockstep.

  • There's a reason why we've got two parties in this country.

  • They do expect that we are constantly thinking

  • about how are we making sure they can find a job

  • that pays well,

  • that their kids can go to college and afford it,

  • that we are growing and competitive,

  • that we are dealing with our fiscal position

  • in a sensible way.

  • And if we keep them in mind consistently,

  • then I think we're going to be successful.

  • One thing -- you've got some international CEOs here,

  • and I think they'll confirm this -- when I travel,

  • what's striking to me is people around the world think

  • we've got a really good hand.

  • You just take the example of energy.

  • They say America is poised to change our geopolitics

  • entirely because of the advances we've made in oil production

  • and natural gas production.

  • It means manufacturing here is much more attractive

  • than it used to be.

  • That's a huge competitive advantage.

  • We've got the most productive workers just about in the world,

  • and our workers have become more and more productive,

  • and a lot of companies look at that and say we wish we had

  • workers who were able to operate the way these folks do.

  • Our university systems, our research infrastructure --

  • all those things are the envy of the world.

  • And one of the great things about America --

  • sometimes we get worried that we're losing traction

  • and the sky is falling,

  • and back in the '80s, Japan was about to take over,

  • and then China, and obviously before that,

  • the Soviet Union -- and we usually come out okay

  • because we change and we adapt.

  • I just want everybody to remember

  • that we're in a very strong position to compete

  • as long as our political system functions.

  • It doesn't have to be outstanding.

  • This is sort of like Winston Churchill,

  • two cheers for democracy.

  • And it's always going to be messy.

  • But it's got to function better than it has.

  • Gerald Selb: I'm in the red zone on the clock here,

  • but let me -- I do want to ask a question

  • about international affairs.

  • You've mentioned the world and the U.S. position in it.

  • There's the possibility this week of an agreement with Iran,

  • a preliminary, limited agreement in which they would

  • free some of their nuclear activities

  • in return for some relief on sanctions.

  • Your Israeli friends have been arguing,

  • along with some of your friends

  • as well as your foes in Congress,

  • that if you give the Iranian regime any relief

  • on sanctions, the sanctions regime will fall apart;

  • countries that don't want to be there in the first place will

  • head for the exits; it will all come apart --

  • and that's the danger of what you're negotiating right now.

  • I know you talked to some senators

  • about this very topic today.

  • Is there going to be a deal?

  • And why can you ease sanctions without having them fall apart?

  • The President: Well, just by way of background,

  • when I came into office, we had a trade embargo;

  • the U.S. had done some things unilaterally.

  • We did not have a strong, enforceable international

  • mechanism to really put the squeeze on Iran

  • around its nuclear program,

  • despite the fact that it had violated a range

  • of U.N. and nonproliferation treaty requirements.

  • So we built, we constructed, with the help of Congress,

  • the strongest sanctions regime ever.

  • And it has put a bite on the Iranian economy.

  • They have seen a 5 percent contraction the last year

  • in their economy.

  • It's projected to be another contraction this year.

  • And in part because the sanctions

  • have been so effective,

  • we were able to get Iran to seriously come to the table

  • and look at how are they going to give assurances

  • to the international community that they are, in fact,

  • not pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

  • I don't know if we'll be able to close a deal this week

  • or next week.

  • We have been very firm with the Iranians

  • even on the interim deal about what we expect.

  • And some of the reporting out there

  • has been somewhat inaccurate,

  • understandably, because the P5-plus-1,

  • the members of the --

  • permanent members of the Security Council

  • in addition to --

  • and Germany as well --

  • have kept the negotiations fairly tight.

  • But the essence of the deal would be

  • that they would halt advances on their nuclear program;

  • they would roll back some elements

  • that get them closer to what we call breakout capacity,

  • where they can run for --

  • a weapon before the international community

  • has a chance to react;

  • that they would subject themselves to more vigorous

  • inspections even than the ones that are currently there,

  • in some cases, daily inspections.

  • In return, what we would do would be to open up the spigot

  • a little bit for a very modest amount of relief

  • that is entirely subject to reinstatement if, in fact,

  • they violated any part of this early agreement.

  • And it would purchase a period of time --

  • let's say, six months --

  • during which we could see if they could get

  • to the end state of a position where we, the Israelis,

  • the international community could say with confidence Iran

  • is not pursuing a nuclear weapon.

  • Now, part of the reason I have confidence

  • that the sanctions don't fall apart

  • is because we're not doing anything around

  • the most powerful sanctions.

  • The oil sanctions, the banking sanctions,

  • the financial services sanctions --

  • those are the ones that have really taken a big chunk

  • out of the Iranian economy.

  • So oil production and oil sales out of Iran have dropped

  • by more than half since these sanctions were put in place.

  • They've got over $100 billion of oil revenue

  • that is sitting outside of their country.

  • The rial, their currency, has dropped precipitously.

  • And all those sanctions and the architecture for them

  • don't go anywhere.

  • Essentially, what we do is we allow them to access

  • a small portion of these assets that are frozen.

  • Keep in mind, though, that because the oil and banking

  • sanctions stay in place, they will actually still be losing

  • money even during this six-month period relative to the amount of

  • oil sales they had back in 2011.

  • So what we are suggesting both to the Israelis,

  • to members of Congress here, to the international community,

  • but also to the Iranians, is, let's look,

  • let's test the proposition that over the next six months

  • we can resolve this in a diplomatic fashion,

  • while maintaining the essential sanctions architecture,

  • and, as President of the United States,

  • me maintaining all options to prevent them

  • from getting nuclear weapons.

  • I think that is a test that is worth conducting.

  • And my hope and expectation is not that we're going to solve

  • all of this just this week in this interim phase,

  • but rather that we're purchasing ourselves some time to see how

  • serious the Iranian regime might be in re-entering membership in

  • the world community and taking the yoke of these sanctions off

  • the backs of their economy.

  • Gerald Selb: Well, Mr. President, with that,

  • let me just thank you again for joining us.

  • I appreciate it very much.

  • [applause]

  • The President: I enjoyed it.

  • Thank you very much.

  • [applause]

The President: Well, it is wonderful to be here,

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