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  • Congratulations on a book

  • that has gotten many, many, many people talking,

  • critics loving it, saying it-it's a beautiful new way

  • to talk about a story

  • that everybody wants to be talking about right now.

  • Interior Chinatown.

  • -It's a novel. -Yes.

  • But when you read it, it's basically written

  • -like a screenplay. -Right.

  • Wh-Why did you do that?

  • Uh, I work in Hollywood, so I already had the software.

  • -So I just-- It was easier. -(laughs)

  • Um, you know, it's, I think, a lot

  • of what you were talking about in the previous segment.

  • -Stories, um, resonate with people. -Right.

  • And movies and TV really do.

  • And, um, I wanted to tell the story that way

  • also because of the-- what the story's about,

  • which is a-a character, Willis Wu.

  • Right. It's interesting that you--

  • that you-you make it so simple,

  • because that's really what it is.

  • It's a story about a character, Willis Wu,

  • who is a man who just dreams of making it big on the big screen.

  • -Right. -And what's-what's beautiful

  • and what resonates in the book is it talks about the challenges

  • that he faces and so many Asian Americans and Asians in America

  • have faced with being represented onscreen

  • in a way that is not boiled down to stereotypes.

  • Right. Yeah, I mean, it's, um, h-his dream.

  • So, Will-- To-- Willis' story is basically that he--

  • his job is to be Generic Asian Man

  • on a show called Black and White.

  • And, um-- So, you know, everyone's seen Law & Order,

  • and you have the two leads in the front

  • and they're discussing the case.

  • And way in the back, pretty much out of focus,

  • is, like, an Asian guy unloading a van.

  • -Right. -(laughter)

  • I was like, "What if you told the story

  • -"from that guy's point-of-view -Uh-huh.

  • -in the Law & Order univor-- universe?" -Right.

  • And-and I-- and I started to get interested in this world

  • and exploring the world, because the view from the bottom

  • looks different than the view

  • from where the leads are standing.

  • -It-it really is powerful, because... -(applause)

  • you...

  • you talk about in this book one man's journey,

  • but-but, really, a lot of this book

  • deals with how Asians have been pushed to the side in America

  • in a lot of storytelling, you know?

  • Some-some people have argued though

  • that-that Asians have it good though, because they go, like,

  • "Oh, at least Asian people have

  • "the model minority thing to them,

  • "so they-they're seen as less threatening

  • and they're given more opportunities."

  • But-but you have a different view on that idea.

  • Yeah, uh, absolutely.

  • I think, you know,

  • the model minority is just sort of the age-old strategy

  • -of divide, you know, divide and conquer. -Mm-hmm.

  • And holding one group up justifies holding a group apart.

  • And it's not just you're, sort of, saying Asians have it good.

  • You're kind of showing the other groups you could do it, too.

  • -Right? -Right, right.

  • And also, the fact is there are plenty of Asians

  • -who have not succeeded. -Right.

  • You know, there are, the-the characters in this book

  • are struggling economically,

  • they're struggling to assimilate culturally.

  • And I, and that's a story that we don't see as often.

  • We see... in the media, stories about Asian succ--

  • Asian American success, but not always this story.

  • In this book, is, um, is a character who dreams

  • of just getting to play the lead in a kung fu film.

  • That's-that's what he's dreaming of doing.

  • Interestingly enough, though, and-and I mean, I get why

  • the character's doing it, that's one of the things that you say,

  • like, always broke your heart in the smallest way,

  • when you'll be watching TV with your family,

  • is you'd look up when you saw an Asian person on screen.

  • You'd be like, "Wow, that's amazing."

  • And then they would always distilled into, like,

  • a few categories... like, why do you think

  • that that affected you so much, especially with your children?

  • Right, yeah, I mean, that...

  • that's exactly what's happening now

  • is that I'm a dad and I'm, my kids are old enough

  • that we watch stories together.

  • And sort of, I had made peace with being, you know,

  • -watching Asians on the side. -Mm-hmm.

  • But now, they're old enough that I have to turn and explain

  • to them, you know, why is that guy doing a funny accent?

  • -Right. -You know, or why-why is that person

  • squinting their eyes and playing an Asian on TV?

  • And you know, there has been a lot of progress.

  • We see stories about Asians, but...

  • we still don't see enough, and we don't... I don't...

  • I wanted to be able to, you know, explain to them.

  • So, I had to kind of work through it in this book.

  • And you know, for instance, I was recently watching

  • the Golden Globes and I watched Awkwafina get that award,

  • -and my daughter was sitting next to me. -Right.

  • And it was, like, I felt uplifted.

  • And so did she, and I could see in her eyes

  • that this was something that we'd both remember.

  • And at the same time, we see things on TV

  • where you sort of can't believe that that's still on TV

  • -in the year 2020, so... -Right.

  • Yeah, it-it's a really fun story, you know, that I love.

  • It-it moves, it's fast-paced.

  • It feels like you're watching a movie in a movie,

  • which is really fun, and, uh, it talks about something

  • that I think we all need to be talking about more.

  • So, thank you so much for being on the show.

  • -Congratulations on writing a fantastic book. -Thank you.

  • Interior Chinatown is available now.

  • Charles Yu, everybody.

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チャールズ・ユー - 「インテリア・チャイナタウン」でスクリーン上のアジア人表現に挑む|ザ・デイリーショー (Charles Yu - Tackling On-Screen Asian Representation with “Interior Chinatown” | The Daily Show)

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