My chancellor's time Now a big apartment spoken off a couple of former chance this time Now for a shadow chancellor, John McDonald is on the line.

A You weeping into your sandwiches this lunchtime?

I'm a shocked as you are.

Actually, I didn't expect this.

I don't think anybody did.

We only had Treasury questions a couple of days ago when I was firing questions.

The chancellor and I am literally at that point.

I have to say he looked.

He looked a bit anxious about things, but I didn't think it was about the I thought I was told he was secure, but it seems to be that it seems to be a CZ.

We understand that I don't know what you're hearing.

That he was told he can keep the job.

He just asked the wave goodbye to all of his advisors.

Yeah, but it looks as I raised in Treasury questions up done this or he had this battle with Dominic Cummings literally over over months, particularly since the general election.

And this is about Dominic Cummings is a number ten's control of the treasury.

So the best way of getting control is having someone there.

He'll just do as they're told.

But also, you know the tactic.

You surround them with your own adviser.

So they're boxed in then and to give the chance of other former chancellor Now is Julie says, I'm not gonna have that, but I can understand that.

Who so which self respecting person would want to be seen to be a student of the crime in trying some shade it Richie soon at their John McDonald.

I'm sure it's not by accident.

Well, I've blood on the basis of the rumors that what they are, and I estimated this is that they would leave the Soviet job it in place for at least 12 18 months, see how he performs.

But they keep issues soon, act in his chief secretary to be his mind, and also to be the eyes and ears at the prime minister within the treasure itself.

More actually, the eyes Dominic coming through is true.

You're closer to the action than I am, and it's always texting for journalists toe find a bogeyman or, you know, a villain of the piece.

But do you, with your record in your history in Parliament watching government, Do you?

You do see Dominic Cummings is exerting on unprecedented influence over proceedings.

It what happens and you've seen over time isn't just this government.

It's happened in past governments, including labor governments, where you do get a strong official, an advisor who dominates the scene and the court like a court, a court here exercising the power of the king or the Queen on Dhe.

They've become almost more powerful than C the ministers, because they've got the You have got the year, the prime minister.

But in addition to that, they will do often some of the dirty work of the prime minister.

The prime minister can walk away with a big brother to be clean hands.

Dominic Cummings has been a problem for a large number of ministers.

And you're seeing people go today, which are a bit surprised that some Northern Ireland secretary has gone has actually given a thinking, could job in the most difficult circumstances.

When he was chief whip, I had run ins with in in the Brexit negotiations.

We always were gone reasonably well nevertheless, but when he went to Ireland, I saw him two weeks ago and congratulate him on the job.

Done amazed.

You blooms people that you get rid of people like that competent people, and you replace some.

And that's what issues soon act is what every his merits.

He's relatively inexperienced or budgets coming up.

What does that mean?

It means actually number 10 can have more control than they would run a few hedge funds, I think.

Yeah, well again.

That's the other thing you lose.

It's your job to give him.

His Jew, I know, prayed a lot on his background in terms of son of a bus driver, et cetera, and used to rib me about.

That was my contact lenses.

At least he had that sort of background again.

What's happened now is Dominic Cummings has installed wishes soon at, you know, extremely wealthy family apart.

The problem with this government, I think, will be that they don't know how life is lived by most people, and I think again, at least I've had a bit of understanding of that, and I complimented about different times for that.

But I think that's going just to conclude and to clarify.

You said that you can't imagine any self respecting person working in the circumstances that cited Javid was apparently asked, You're essentially calling Richie's soon.

Ask someone who's no self respecting us.

I'm saying, I think he's a stooge.

I think he is.

I think he's been placed there because you will be controlled by number 10 and Dominic Cummings in particular.

What if Dominic Cummings is a genius, then None of this really matters, does it?

If he is a genius and he is in charge and he is a control freak and he is exerting unprecedented power, but he's actually rather good at his job, then why should my listeners be worried?

I don't think he is that the first thing.

I think he's erratic.

I think some of the decisions that we've seen coming out the government display that I also think actually, you should not give that amount of power to an unelected officials.

Not even if it's shame is Mill.

No.

Nobody, Nobody McDonnell.