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  • Bill: I come in today as a dancing human.

  • My collaborator is a machine

  • that doesn't really know what a dancing human is.

  • Mutaurwa: So, this project came about,

  • and I guess it's so much more of an experiment than a project

  • because we don't know what is about to happen here

  • or what we're going to get out of this.

  • But, you know, we wanted to see what would happen

  • when you put someone like Bill,

  • a National Medal of the Arts honoree,

  • a MacArthur fellow, a two-time Tony winner --

  • What happens when you put a technology like PoseNet

  • in the hands of an artist of that caliber.

  • Malika: When I think about Bill, he is a giant among us.

  • He changed everything that we know around modern dance,

  • around the braiding together of dance and political speech --

  • and not in a traditional way,

  • but in a way that turned everything upside-down.

  • Maya: PoseNet is a machine- learning model that estimates

  • where key points are on your body,

  • like where your elbow is, for example.

  • What's exciting is we took this huge machine-learning model

  • and made it lightweight enough to run in your browser,

  • which means that no images ever leave your machine.

  • You can use it anywhere you want --

  • in a dance studio, in your living room.

  • And also, you don't need to wear any special sensors

  • or use any special hardware.

  • It's all totally on your computer.

  • -With these workshops, we just want to explore

  • if there is a way that you feel like your movement

  • could plug in.

  • Bill: And we're with you.

  • My whole life has been about

  • trying to treat the body like a photographic image.

  • That's something I borrowed from Arnie Zane,

  • and something we borrowed from independent cinema

  • in the late '60s and '70s.

  • It's even in the name of the thing -- "PoseNet," right?

  • -Yeah. Bill: It's about poses,

  • you know, as opposed to...

  • Bill: Good morning.

  • The test was as I expected.

  • We're now just doing rhythm.

  • [ Rhythmic clapping ]

  • I don't know why they're --

  • to my mind, they're very different movers.

  • But they all look the same.

  • -Right.

  • Bill: Okay.

  • Huh. [ Chuckles ]

  • Bill: Is there a way to tell the dots

  • that each one has to have another word?

  • -We could have it go word, word, word, word, word, word, word

  • as this whole sentence. -Yes.

  • -Yeah. Bill: And then it would have

  • that movement that we were talking about.

  • -Yeah. Bill: I like this.

  • Maya: The tools you were using were so simple and basic,

  • but it was her embodiment of them.

  • Bill: Well, that's what I was trying to get at

  • with the dot on Christina's nose.

  • -Yeah. -How do you get that to be

  • weighted with meaning and import.

  • -Right. Janet: Let the tools teach us

  • and open our minds, and have a dialogue that way.

  • I think that's an important thing, too.

  • -Maybe it's ego that I want to be the one

  • to know how they make those dots make somebody cry.

  • Maya: During the workshops, we came with these pre-made prototypes.

  • But Bill often wanted to try something new

  • or something totally different, so we ended up live-changing

  • a lot of different pieces of the prototypes in the workshops.

  • Coding in the moment was... scary but exciting.

  • ♪♪

  • ♪♪

  • Malika: How do we take A.I. as an opportunity

  • of recreating relationships of power?

  • I think we're in a place where we are at a crossroads

  • to see how, in fact, will A.I. be used.

  • Bill: So, Maya. -Yeah.

  • Bill: I think for me right now, I'm still trying to see

  • that simple point of contact

  • between a real body and the prototype.

  • And that's what I'm trying to figure out.

  • What is there that I brought three dancers --

  • a woman, two men, one black man who might feel close to my body.

  • And they are all articulate,

  • and they can also make relationships in space.

  • Just keep your arm behind you -- behind you, please.

  • Arm behind you.

  • But now what we just learned here is that

  • if we want to have articulate sentences,

  • they have to be quite far away from the camera.

  • Can I have you guys' attention, please?

  • The first one is all about hands up here.

  • The next one, maybe, it is the -- it's here.

  • It's in the middle of the body.

  • The third one, it's only people moving across low.

  • And we have boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

  • End of the first idea.

  • I truly would like to see them actually working like dancers --

  • working like thinking people with their bodies.

  • -Yes.

  • -Therefore, I'm giving them problems.

  • Vinson: I am trying to fit into his history,

  • even though I haven't experienced,

  • like, a fraction of the things that he has, you know?

  • Huiwang: The work he chooses to do has his uniqueness

  • but also has something shared and around with his interests

  • in gender-role, identity.

  • -He draws content from his history and from his background.

  • There's space in his process for every kind of person.

  • -Cut. Bill: You know enough

  • about my work, that I'm a famous improvisor with speaking.

  • -Yes. -So, can that --

  • could it ever work with me improvising freely?

  • Maya: As...I'm...talking...

  • the words...that...I say...

  • appear...above me, or...not me, the dancer.

  • -William Burroughs said, "Language is a virus."

  • [ Laughter ]

  • [ Laughter ]

  • -What's that, Christina?

  • To steal it from people.

  • Bill: Yeah, I understand.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • [ Music playing ]

  • -So, if she turns away, the sound will go out.

  • [ Music cuts out ]

  • Janet: If we're imposing those two ideas together,

  • then we want to be more intentional

  • about where we are -- where to hold and pause

  • so we can control the switches more.

  • Bill: We have ended up, at the end of the day,

  • using this as the canvas. -Right. Yeah.

  • -Yep. Bill: But it took us a while

  • to really understand that's what we're doing.

  • This is going to be taking us

  • to the end of this century, and important...

  • is supposed to be happening with this

  • when you put it in the hands of people.

  • Maya: This project stands out to me because it demonstrates

  • how PoseNet can be used

  • in a way that feels very meaningful and very conceptual,

  • and I haven't seen that with a lot of other projects

  • that involve machine learning, or PoseNet specifically.

  • ♪♪

  • ♪♪

  • Malika: I think it's also important

  • that we be able to center our artists, right?

  • And especially as a tech company,

  • the importance of understanding

  • that our artists are our place of humanity.

  • Bill: I'm known for talking solos.

  • This is what I do, and I've been doing it for 30 years.

  • Do you want to have Bill T. Jones doing it?

  • And hear the way Bill T. Jones says the words?

  • -Yes. Bill: Well, then we should have

  • the microphone on, then.

  • "21" was a solo that I made when I was an artist

  • in residence at Kent School for Boys in 1983.

  • It came out of a class that I sat in on.

  • Someone said offhandedly, "Oh, when you're dancing,

  • you're not thinking. Of course."

  • And I was a bit incensed by that.

  • ♪♪

  • The Italian Renaissance.

  • Contrapposto.

  • David. Muhammad Ali.

  • I am the greatest. To the groin.

  • Eek! A mouse!

  • You're so vulnerable. You pretend you're tough.

  • You're so vulnerable.

  • Nude.

  • I feel naked here in this room.

  • All these eyes looking.

  • And art-deco. Mouth hidden.

  • Mouth is always running.

  • Eyes are looking.

  • New York Yankees. Wind up.

  • Apollo. Apollo Belvedere.

  • Adam.

  • The first man.

  • Adam.

  • The first woman.

  • You go to Hell.

  • Always personal.

  • The black body is what I wear.

  • So we don't even have to say it, right?

  • This is a black thinking body, right?

  • That's trying to get these bodies

  • to be an extension of my body,

  • and it's frustrating as hell because I have a huge ego,

  • and time is taking its toll.

  • But that's why we're here together, right?

  • Alright, so, what do you want to do?

  • -Every day, I play the game and cheat the system.

  • Every now and then, I...up and get caught.

  • And still, I'll try it again.

  • -Hey!

  • [ Rhythmic clapping ]

  • Huiwang: Do you hear me?

  • Bill: You pay us great compliment

  • by speaking the language we speak.

  • And you have a very strong Chinese identity.

  • And I would like to be able to actually know

  • the other man, as well.

  • [ Speaking in Mandarin ]

  • Janet: "Why are you asking if I'm afraid of blood?"

  • [ Speaking in Mandarin ]

  • Janet: And they told me, "It's a girl."

  • -Whoo!

  • [ Applause ]

  • Bill: Okay, thank you. Why are you applauding?

  • -That was awesome.

  • Bill: You felt emotion. You're emotionally engaged.

  • -Yep. Bill: Okay.

  • That's what we're going for, right?

  • Maya: As a dancer and a technologist,

  • there wasn't a lot of overlap

  • between me dancing or, you know, me coding,

  • and with this project, one of the most exciting things

  • is that it's this example

  • of how you can use new technologies in combination

  • with other art forms or other mediums of expression.

  • ♪♪

  • ♪♪

  • Bill: How much should one give to the Internet?

  • How how can you dare give of yourself?

  • As I change and get older,

  • maybe I'm not as brazen as I used to be. Maybe I'm more.

  • Malika: Remembering what he looked like on that stage

  • almost 20 years ago, and then watching him now

  • trying to interact with this new technology,

  • I think the ambivalence that he gives voice to

  • is the ambivalence that so many of us feel.

  • Bill: Arnold Schwarzenegger. Austrian Oak.

  • The first bodybuilder that many gay men were allowed

  • to look at without guilt, because he was without guilt.

  • Janet: I feel like we're just beginning to know

  • what these tools that we were playing with can do,

  • and I think of them as maybe more than tools.

  • They are more like, hm, collaborators.

  • Vinson: I dance because other black boys aren't allowed to dance.

  • Bill: I've never really collaborated with a machine before.

  • Where is the truth of gravity?

  • Time? Space?

  • Sweat? Effort?

  • It's a whole other learning curve.

  • It's hard on the ego,

  • but good on one's sense of love for humanity.

  • Janet: I trust there are these artists/technologists out there

  • that will continue developing it.

  • And I think that everyone can play with something

  • that's readily available in their homes,

  • and then maybe use it in a performance,

  • use it in a 3-D space

  • and not just in front of their monitors at home.

  • Malika: I have spent my entire human-rights career

  • focusing on the power of culture and narrative.

  • It feels full circle to be able to see Bill T. Jones

  • in our space, and us in his space.

  • Bill: I just had a wonderful with -- What's --

  • -Malika. Bill: And they were saying,

  • "You realize what we want you to do

  • is run up against the obstacles.

  • We want to know what's not working."

  • -So, which mic is this? -Number two.

  • Maya: I hope that people are able to explore

  • language and movement and, on the development side,

  • people see all the possibilities of things

  • that they can create that are more unconventional,

  • or move into uncharted terrain.

  • Bill: Thank you all very much.

  • Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

  • The next frontier for machine learning is context.

  • That seems paramount to art-making.

  • So, will I use it more in the future?

  • Having said those things, I'm wondering,

  • am I able to think in the future?

  • If not Bill T. Jones,

  • there's somebody already who is doing that.

  • Now, can they make me cry?

  • ♪♪

Bill: I come in today as a dancing human.

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身体、動き、言語。ビル・T・ジョーンズとのAIスケッチ (Body, Movement, Language: AI Sketches with Bill T. Jones)

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